Dave Filoni Explains Why Ahsoka Could Never REDEEM Anakin Skywalker 

She couldn't because she was apart of his past, another failure There was his self loathing & hatred also Luke was his future.

I completely agree. Ahsoka coudn't do anything to redeem Anakin. He was too far gone. Luke was the future. Padme's love,compassion. He was Padme. Vader throw so many walls towards others and himself. It kept him sane. Vader completely DESPISED himself. Luke was his future. Luke offered peace. Luke's love,compassion,sympathy. Through Padme. Great analysis. May the Force be with you too😊

The only one who was able to redeem Anakin Skywalker was his son Luke, the faith he had in that he still lingered behind Darth Vader was what brought him back. The only other person who might have had a chance of bringing Anakin back, would be Padme if she were alive

The first time i watched the fateful reunion of the fallen master with his former apprentice, I paid attention to every single detail. Every word, every action, every gesture, and even what was going on around them. Vader made no attempt to reach out except to lure Ahsoka into a trap, his offer of mercy a blatant lie to get information on any more surviving Jedi (especially Obi-wan) but he had no intention of letting Ahsoka live. Ahsoka, as you said, was a living reminder of Anakin Skywalker, someone Vader could not tolerate now that she stood before him. He'd sensed she was alive after finding her lightsabers in the snow around the wreckage of the Venator but made no attempts to find her, becuz he left it to fate to decide whether or not their reunion would come to pass, and it did. Having found her at last, Vader would not stand for any further reminders of Anakin and so intended to kill Ahsoka and wipe the slate clean. He even stated that Anakin Skywalker was weak and that he had destroyed him. This coincides with what u said about Anakin and Vader being two separate personas even tho they are the same person. To Vader, Anakin was a failure, weak, unable to save his loved ones or the galaxy, and Vader did everything he could to separate the two identities in a selfish and twisted effort to justify and rationalize all his wrongdoings and evils by laying blame upon everyone else but himself yet at the same time condemning Anakin for losing everything, and so hating him(self) with such intensity as to fuel his power in the Dark Side of the Force As u said, Vader was the "dragon" born of the fear, anger and hate of Anakin Skywalker, who retreated so deeply into himself in a vain attempt tp hide from the pain and suffering he felt, with Vader "protecting" him from the truth that came in the form of any reminders of his past As I already said, Ahsoka was a living reminder of Anakin Skywalker. In spite of the bond they had shared, which had been stronger and closer than that of the typical Jedi and their Padawan, it had not been enough due to the circumstances and results of how that bond turned out when Ahsoka was framed, expelled, and very nearly condemned until Anakin saved her. While Ahsoka was grateful she could not stay with the Jedi Order for his sake, which Anakin was hurt by (but also made it about himself despite his understanding), and so that became twisted later on as a means to rationalize Vader's contempt of Ashoka, not onyl for being a living reminder of Anakin but viewing her as someone who had abandoned Anakin Ahsoka, despite having felt Vader during his attack on Phoenix Squadron, had been uncertain despite his familiarity, which had been enshrouded by the Dark Side. She didn't want to believe it, even when she visited the Lothal Jedi Temple and was confronted by a vision of her master and sensing what he had become. When at last they met on Malachor, she voiced her doubts and even threw contempt at Vader, denying Anakin could have become someone so vile. When she saw it was truly her former master, she attempted to reach out to him and offer compassion, and for a fleeting moment Anakin peered out of the "safety" of his dark shell, only to retreat back in and the "dragon" that was Vader reared his ugly head with the resolve to destroy Ahsoka, which in turn destroyed Ahsoka's hope of saving her master from himself As you said, Ahsoka never had a chance of saving her master, but one thing she did confirm... was that in spite of Vader's denials and relentless attempts to destroy the very identity of Anakin Skywalker, Ahsoka had still reached him and proved that Anakin was still in there, no matter how much Vader denied it. Vader even fooled himself by his wish to convert Luke to the Dark Side and rule the galaxy as father and son, for it was really a desire that was born from Anakin's own wish for love and companionship. Thus proving that no matter how hard Vader tried, he could never truly kill Anakin becuz he _was_ Anakin however he attempted to deny it or otherwise split apart the two identities Ahsoka could not saver her master, but she did reach him, proving Anakin was, always had been, and always would be there

Ahsoka was closer to Anakin than anyone except for Padmé, but she was also a reminder of his past. Anakin believed he had killed his wife, suffered serious injuries which left him a crippled shadow of his former self, and destroyed his future due to his own bad choices. In Vader's mind, he had no future: nothing to strive for, nothing to hope for. Darth Sidious & his service to Sidious were all he had left in his life. Anakin hated himself for what he'd done, what he'd become, and couldn't forgive himself or believe redemption was possible. That didn't change until Vader learned that Luke was his son: that realization that his child was alive lit a flame of hope deep within Vader and rekindled the spark that was Anakin Skywalker. For the first time in 20 years, Anakin had a purpose, a potential future, a reason to live instead of just existing. Ahsoka could not give him that: only Luke's compassion and love for his father could.

Lucas stated that THE ONLY one that could have brought Anakin back aside from Luke was Qui Gonn, due to among other factors he had interpreted the prophecy of the chosen one correctly among other things.

I said this, from the moment we knew Hayden was going to be back that Anakin is going to show Asoka a vision in the world between worlds that if she showed up on Musta far to try to save him, he would’ve killed her, and that no matter what she did, he could not be redeemed until later when Luke did it

i love this subject. i would like to just let my thoughts wander.... Anakin discussed with Padme just exactly what he thought of the corruption of the government (republic) in Episode II. After they were married and she became pregnant, his concerns about that changed into something personal, that he had a direct interest in; the future of his children and what kind of galaxy they would have to endure. This would add to his self hatred once he realized he had become the tool that made the galaxy even worse, especially after he had literally killed ALL of that future himself, in the form of Padme and his unborn children. once he discovered that Luke was alive, what he thought he lost came crashing back in on him. But I think what really really really made him turn back to the Light, was in Return of the Jedi, when he also discovered "a sister" of Luke had also survived. I dont think he knew it was Leia but that doesnt matter... the two children were all that was left of Padme, and when he learned about a daughter too, that was the Grand Slam right there. In Luke Padme in a way survives, but Leia especially, embodies all that Padme was and more.

That was one of the most action/dialogue balanced episodes of any show

Vader didn't know if Ahsoka was alive until the Rebels episodes, at the beginning of season 2 Siege of Lothal, when Vader tracked the shuttle they stole, back to the Rebels Pheonix squadron. Then while Hera took on Vader and Ahsoka and Kanan sensed the Sith lord. While reaching out with Kanan Vader sensed her presence and said the apprentice lives.

Had Ahsoka been there on Mustafar, Anakin would have turned AHSOKA to the darkside. She had no love for the Council either, and they were wrong, and Ahsoka trusted Padme as much as Anakin. He could have talked her into going after Sidious together, could they have won? I don't know... I think Sidious would have killed Ahsoka to prove a point that "friendship isn't the answer... The Only answer is Hatred.. Let the anger take over my boy.. HAhaHAha"

Vador "Successfully" attempted to resurrect Padame...she hated what he became; rejected him and refused to come back to the world of the living. It was more than a vision...it happened, he reached out to her beyond the grave with the Force only to get rejected 💔

I never thought about how Luke was only able to bring Anakin back to the light, because he now knew a part of his family was alive and he wanted it back.

Of course Ahsoka can't Reddem Anakin, she wouldn't know what it means.

Great recap leading into tonight's episode!

I would honestly love a "what if" video talking about if maul had killed kanan in the season 2 finale and made his way up to fight vadar with ahsoka. Would they have won?

In before the title change

'Ya got no REDDEM. Ye nah can' dance. Me nah leave ya agen, bredrin. Not dis time.' 'Den rasclot gwan die, seen?'

Hmmmm... What if Ahsoka went to Mustafar. Or what if she went with Ani to save Palps and witness everything. There's a lot of what ifs could have changed. What if Ahsoka told Ani I'm never leaving you again before Mustafar or was Ani too far gone? But I feel like if that was the case, Ahsoka would stayed a Jedi and things might even got worse and she could have fallen just as quickly but I think her true purpose was to always find her own path and always be a force for good even if she's somewhere in the middle or gray as we say. I want animation from Luke's Pov and maybe we can finally see Luke's padawan. If TCW is anything to go off of, how incredible can a brand new show be.

The only one who could REDDEM Anakin is Luke

I honestly would've really liked to see what words somebody like qui-gon would have for him. I think qui could've had an impact

We know Padme couldn't save him because the first thing he did at the slightest form of irritation towards her was choke her out 💀

It was never about the Jedi council or Jedi it was about Anakin inability to process his grief and the fear of loss...his mother and his lover. Grief changes people forever

luke gave vader his chance to atone and proved his love was unconditional this is the moment luke became a jedi master i my mind

Actually, I think Ahsoka was Dave Filoni’s creation but it was George who said she should be Anikin’s Padawan.

Just goes to show how messed up that should I doc my ears and as soon as someone even embraces some hint of emotion, they’re not used to it, and that Jedi will treat them as criminals, which will eventually lead them to spiral into insanity. Anakin’s fate is truly a tragic one

Was Anakin ever Jedi or was he always Sith? Anakin may have been playing a Jedi during the Clone Wars but even then the seeds of Vader were there. Even then he was at least partly Sith.

Nice you fixed the typo in the title

Can Filoni also explain what REDDEM means? ; )

What ppl fail to understand is u CANNOT change what is already "written".. call is fate, destiny or whatever but it's a "fixed" event.. if u notice in the world between worlds that the "window/entrance that ezra pulls ashoka out of was a triangle, most of those window/entrances are circles! my theory is that they indicate "fixed" events (circles) and "maluable" events (triangle) which is why if u look, there seems to be only one or two triangles out of DOSENS of circles! I don't think that's unintentional, dave filoni dosent do shit without a meaning... its not a coincidence that the ONE "doorway" that ezra messes with seems to be the only doorway that is shaped differently from all the other ones surrounding it! With all that said. The force has "fixed" event in history/timeline that cannot be changed or diverted no matter how hard someone tries. I believe "fixed" events will always course correct itself if anything tried to intervene..quigon knew this to be true (see what I did there).. quigon was stabbed by what we have seen as a somewhat superficial would for a corve user.. everyone complains about it and brings it up but miss thst actual point, point being quigon gave himself into the death because he knew something WE DIDNT!. its also why he didn't just dissappear, he could have uses the force to keep himself alive long enough for help to arrive! He purposefully only kept himself alive long enough to give obiwan JUST ENOUGH information to make sure everything comes to pass as we know they eventually do.. we can assume quigon while he was dying (as we see in ashoka ep 4) that he most likely went to a "realm" where we was able to see everything to come, he most likely has his own type of "spirit guide" teaching him (or verifying what he presumed) that certain things NEED to happen, things that may be hard to swallow and accept at 1st, but once they understand that those thing are inevitable (fixed) and that those thing lead to a better end. Quigon understanding anakins fall was a "means to an end" and it begins with his own death (quigon)...all these reasons can attribute to most of the things the "fans" question and complain about! It's why quigon never appeared to obiwan until he accepted that anakins fall wasn't his fault, it's why quigon fell to a wound he could have survived, and no matter what or who was involved anakin was gonna fall, NEEDED to fall to bring down BOTH the jedi and the sith to achieve balance! I digressed a bit there.. my original point was that the "fixed" events in the timeline prevent any meaningful change if it wasn't already taken into account by "the force" or "the living force" to be exact...ashoka being there on mustafar could have only changed ashoka and obiwans fate or trajectory.(I don't believe either would have dies because they are both too important to the fixed events) but either way anakin would have fell, maybe he wouldn't have gotten disfigured, maybe obiwan or ashoka took that burden who knows, the the living force would make sure anakins trajectory remains the same whether ashoka was there to confront him with/instead of obiwan or not.. could things have played out slighty diffrently?? Sure maybe, but one SURE SURE thing is that anakins place as the "one" to bring balance would have happened no matter what!! If anything ashoka probably could have made the road to get there even worse than it was!! For example say ashoka being there ended up distracting obiwan at a crucial moment that changed the OG trajectory into obiwan bein the one killed or disfigured, and anakin makes its out unscathed???!!?? if that were to happen much more ppl would have died and suffered at the hands of a 100% vader on the road from ep 3 to 6!! point being anakin/vader still ended up where he was fated to be, but was way more powerful in the interim! Which means more death n destruction, meaning perhaps the premature death of the emporer, leading to a vader that luke may not have been able to defeat and turn at all! all of the reasons are why I'd bet a million dollars that the mustafar moment in the world between worlds is a circle! Circle meaning NOT FUCKING WELCOMED!!

Vader was always stuck in the past no matter how much he tried to destroy it & When Sidious lied to Anakin about him killing Padme it completed anakins full turning to the dark side relying on sidious fully and the only thing Vader now had was his revenge jedi killings and wiping out the republic & I guess sidious saw Vader as a powerful tool but also looked down on him think how little his ambitions really were compared to what sidious was really striving for.

Also Vader has actually been a Sith for 25 years thats two decades longer than he has been a Jedi, Anakin had been a Jedi for at least 14 years until Order 66, Vader was of age 44-45 in Return of the Jedi so Anakin had been a Sith Lord from his mid 20s-his early 40s

Guy in a few episodes there will be a war in the Ashoka show as Admiral Ackbar character in Star Wars Heroes has been updated to look different most likely to fit what he would look like in the Ashoka show

It's funny because his rationalization about the Jedi steering power is actually true. That's what made them hypocrites. Maybe it's not what he really believed, but he also wasn't wrong

Who’s Dave filoni to say who can or can’t redeem anakin ahsoka isn’t his creation she’s George Lucas’ creation George gets to decide that not Dave don’t try changing my mind I know who rightfully owns the character.

Slave to the music Slave to the Reddem

Day 240 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

The answer is simple. It was never her place to redeem Anakin. Interesting how Luke seems to go forgotten about these days. Then in canon he failed and people seem to cast him aside in favor of their god-like entities the Jedi. This is a time where the prequel trilogy is the quintennial one and with enough time there are going to be so much Star Wars content (including the sequels) that the original trilogy is going to be like the sacred Jedi texts laying dormant within the chasms of Arch-To. Awakened the nostalgia, The Force Awakens has. Nostalgia leads to memes. Memes lead to prominence. And this film is already approaching it's tenth anniversary.

That was very well said.

I was just going to opinionate my comments on Padme until you said Palpatine speculated that if she survived she would have been miserable & would’ve likely turned against Vader which is also possible but i still think Padme would’ve redeemed Anakin if Obi Wan had never went to Mustafar or smuggled himself aboard her ship unbeknownst to her the only person who might’ve redeemed Anakin was Padme Amidala aside from Luke, sum would even argue the fact Padme may have been the sole reason for Anakin’s turn but i still beg to differ in sum aspect @StupendousWave you should make a WHAT IF vid on Padme saving Anakin

I guess sith that return to the light have REDDEM-ED themselves 😂

You’re making it too much. The first time we truly see Vader is when Ani slaughters the sand people for his mother. Hence he is pulled by his connections to his blood. He remained in the dark side’s embrace up until the moment he learned his Son was alive. It was his Son who then enforced that he had still a choice to make. And when the time came he chose the light.

But what about right away, like on mustafar? I can’t help thinking she would have had SOME chance at that point.

Is Reddem the new Reven ?

Vader did not know for certain on the fate of Ashoka. See rebels. He mentioned “so the apprentice lives”…

Well put. 😎👍

Lol sad, sad people laughing at a spelling error I hope you all experience the same pain as vader

Rip Reddem bro 😔

Amazing

Ah yes reddem

Reddem medder redrum 40mins, still reddem and nothing but reddem

I love this, but it also just shows how powerful and yet pathetic Vader is. Which is what makes his character so interesting. The dude was so far gone. He was willing to kill who was essentially his little sister. He would betray his own family, because it reminded him of his past, his failures as Anakin. Luke & Leia, were new-family, people not of his past. It wasn’t Ahsoka’s fault that Anakin became Vader. She needed to let go of that, false quilt. Edit: looking back, this makes me realize that Ahsoka suffered even more than what I originally thought. But for some, this revelation, means that Anakin didn’t love Ahsoka. Or that her love would never be enough, to save her older-brother, which, personally to me, honestly, feels like a betrayal in and of itself.

Vader could always retreat inward from his relationship with Ahsoka the history there was too painful for Anakin to handle. Luke was a blank slate, fresh start. As on the nose as this sounds, a new hope.

Have you got any information to confirm if the Ahsoka episodes will be delayed because of the writer strike

“Reddem” 😂

Reddem 🫡

Anakin legit killed the person he did everything for, Padme couldnt redeem him, hence I dont believe Ahsoka could or can

YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO BE REDDEMED! XD

It would be cool if vader saw padme die from the wbw and believing there was still good in him could have impacted him enough especially if he saw the twins were alive, but just finding his kids wouldn't have changed him early on but with what she said could have swayed him. But only if he found out shortly after their birth. Ashoka could have changed his mind if she was there with him and mace while fighting Palpatine.

Is that even a word? Use the Force & CRUSH THAT EDIT BUTTON!!🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂😂😂

Only Luke? What about Leia? The last request of Anakin...his dying request, was for Luke to tell Leia that there was still good in him. Only his children could turn him back to the light side of the force.

Reddem? How does a person go about reddemming? I think you mean Redeem.

Redeem*

Gonna reddem this post

Plo koon how many times do I have to save Anakin and obi won to be part of the group

Redeem ?

Lesson is “don’t be a simp”

Ive heard that mustafar battle was cut if so that's gonna be so lame

Well I first would like to know how to REDDEM someone :P I think i can redeem them if I work hard enough, however.

Personally, i hope it's true that the Mustafar scene was cut. I just don't think it's necessary.

*Redeem

I can understand not redeeming him but the main thing I disliked was that Vader didn't seem conflicted against her. We know he felt conflicted against Obi Wan and Luke. And from the comics Padme doppelganger (can't remember her name 😅) made Vader feelings began to question. I would think his Padawan who was akin to his sister would stir feelings but I guess Disney said naw 😢. That's my only regret with that perfect fight of Ahsoka vs Vader

Could yoda bring anakin back from being darth vader

Child killers can never be redeemed !!!

Because when the RotS is in development she wasnt even planned...

8.3K ppl just watched a typo

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Ahsoka rejected and abandoned him, at least in his Vader mind. That was enough for the hatred to percolate and eventually boil over. Coupled with self loathing…bingo.

he didn't know ahsoka was alive till the rebels S3 i think

He already killed kids he was long gone

Ah yes, REDDEM

I've already heard this argument countless times, and it sounds like Dave more just trying to make up an excuse rather than give a proper explanation. As Ahsoka had already left before he became Vader so the idea of her being a 'reminder of his past' just doesn't add up, rather makes more sense that he believes he failed her. Like, theres a much better way to explain this and it doesn't involve mental gymnastics and saying that Vader would absolutely kill her despite the lack of emotional logic that exists there. Whenever I hear that discussion, It just shows me that Dave was only saying it because he *had* to, rather than him actually believing or having a proper explination. So here the explination that makes more sense Yes, Ahsoka couldn't redeemed Anakin, but not because he believed she betrayed him, that was entirely her own mental view of the situation. But rather, she couldn't redeem him because *he* believes he failed *her*, and in that case, based on how Vader likes proving he's *better* than Anakin.He would not kill Ahsoka, but genuinely turn her, or try to turn her, make her into Starkiller so to speak to show he is a better master than Anakin ever was. That is what makes the most sense given the context of their relationship and Vader's canonical and/or legends personality that shows how Dave F didn't actually have a proper reason for Ahsoka to not be able to redeem Vader despite one existing quite perfectly.

If Padme had lived, she would've been accompanied by two infants Anikin/Vader sired. It wouldn't have been just Padme (his past, his failure, his reason for living, and turning, corrupted by himself and Palpatine), but Padme with his children. Would that have made a difference? I mean, Luke would have been there. And Leia, and Padme. He wasn't so steeped in the dark side at that moment (on Mustafar). Sure, he'd just murdered a bunch of Jedi and children -- but lets face it, it wouldn't have been the first time Padme forgave Anakin for slaughtering "not just the men, but the women, and the children". It's a bit different when you know nothing about the people mascaraed, and your beloved just mowed down people you see every other Tuesday for (Star Wars) street tacos after a long day in session, or when fielding calls for your "secret" husband from his bosses so he can grab a few more zzs over the weekend, trueeeee. But it wasn't like Padme didn't have strong feelings of her own about the Jedi by that time. Would she have signed off on murdering them? Heck no; she was a devout pacifist. But she had seen some prettyyyy heinous things the vaunted Jedi leadership had not only signed off on, but were actively orchestrating. Also, Obi-wan HAD just effed her over by stoking her fear, and then sneaking aboard her ship. That's some grade-a gaslight manipulation there, for someone that professed to be a close family friend. The ends justify the means was a sentiment shared by most of the force users by this time (not to mention a truck-load of non-force users). War brings out the best/worst of sentients, societies, political systems. All of that being taken into consideration, it would've been Padme and their twin children trying to redeem, or at least change the vector of Vader/Anikin's state of mind. Something Palpatine wasn't/couldn't account for, because he didn't know any progeny had survived at the point he was noodling on how to keep a choke-hold on Vader if by some miracle of dark side sorcery Vader was able to bring Padme back to life. I think she would have forgiven Vader, in hopes of getting Anakin back. So the real variable is -- would his twin infants have swayed him to pull back from the bleeding edge of his pell mell descent into self-loathing, megalomaniacal madness and despair? If neither Leia nor Padme was a determining factor (irritatingly discarded for... reasons...), would Luke's age matter for Vader's Coming to the Light moment? It SEEMS as though an instant family, even with Vader's grasping, power-hungry personality (or... perhaps because of it), would've at least had a chance to work. I mean the story was carefully crafted to sidestep exactly that possibility ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--zhA7AMtUgs.html much like the mysterious return of Palpatine, somehow, Padme died -- there are many entirely plausible, convincing fan theories, but nothing to my knowledge canonically stated, not even in the novelization, other than 'she died of a broken heart', which is... okkkayyyyy, sure), but, an interesting what-if. Likely already explored by yourself. 😂 Thank you again for you wonderful content! Your dedication to Star Wars is a constant source of enjoyment and hope. Please, continue being the optimistic champion we all need, during these dark times, during the Empire.

Can you do a videi explaining why darth vader saved lukes life

Naturally... They didn't have THAT sorta relationship... Theirs was Master-Friend/ student-Friend relationship... An I disagree... Obi Wan COULDA but he was too dogmatic an didn't have a respect enough an history enough of TRUST an mutual support to try an reason enough to try an reach him. Vader, AS VADER, didn't want to seek her probably STILL a liking for her enough to pretend she was someone else had died to try an seek her out for termination. That an she wasn't maintaining or admiring his.. lightsaber.. Padme was that... Cuz that'd been weird an one more ghastly illegal thing against him otherwise since Asoka was an alien kid then.

Heck Yeah!

It would never be here because it already happened in another movie from 1983 lol

What abt his other child

If he was so far gone how was Luke able to bring him back?

Death battle Vader vs Obito

The real reason is that the original trilogy already existed

Eew thebinly person to redeem hi was blood relation he barely knew.

Good Morning.

Nobody couyld have redeemed Anakin except Luke, because Anakin Skywalker was born doomed to become Darth Vader.

Ok shouldn’t be the right answer be it would have broken canon.

Anakin was reddem -ed in rotj

Obi Wan killed padme.

Because then luke would have nothing to do

Because she is not part of the movies

Let’s be real, if Padme survived, Vader would’ve ended up killing here anyway. 🤷🏾‍♂️