It's really crazy, if you are 18-21 right now and can show up on time, communicate reasonably well, and act appropriately you are in the top 5% of people in your age bracket. It's ridiculous.
@@dmbgator86 Right but they are soon to be professionals. If you're in college and you don't know how to act, I'd wager a guess you wont know how to act when you get a big boy job.
Although they're not doing this because they want to - they are trying to protect themselves (the company via HR) and the bottom line - consumers like us are finding alternatives to being treated poorly at literally every retail interaction.
Yes companies should have a handbook and guidelines but also schools, parents and the justice system should return to discipline and have consequences for actions..
When I hired drivers for my delivery business, I made it very clear what was expected; show up on time, tuck your shirt into your pants, speak clearly and distinctly and most of all politely. It made it especially clear that while they were at work they would keep their pants pulled up that they could do their "styling" on their own time. In other words, explain to them that I expected them to respect the job and other people. If they didn't they would feel the very sharp edge of my tongue-once. If it happened again they would be gone. I had the best most reliable crew in the building.
I saw a father, who I thought was looking for a pizza delivery job, only for him at the end to admit that it was for his son, who was hidden around the corner. the business owner didn't even flinch. just gave him his business card and told him to call that number on Monday. his son looked like a college drop out, and barely said a word as the father did all the talking, the father will prob do all the talking during the interview, if that happens!
We have problems with gen z receiving feedback. Both times we’ve had to have tough conversations they started crying and playing victim immediately. This strat may work on a helicopter parent, but it can’t continue in the workplace. So now it places the onus of parenting on my managers and causes them to burnout.
YOu need to set the expectation earlier in the hiring process. We had this problem. We would say during the onboarding process 'if you cant take critical feedback well, you're out'....they would say 'no problem' but it would inevitably become a problem. We started saying that same thing during the INTERVIEW process (including in the actual job posting) and the problem completely evaporated. It disappeared so thoroughly that it was kind of odd but we can't find anything else to attribute it to. I think it scares away pathologically defensive people. Saying it AFTER they get the job just incentivise them to lie because they actually have a job at that point that they dont want to lose. It also helps from a litigation perspective re: wrongful termination suits according to my lawyer. The argument is basically "look your honor, this person was fired for failure to take critical feedback. this requirement was alllllll over the job posting and peppered throughout the interview process. They took this job knowing this was a requirement." You have to document their failure to do this very clearly like anything else when you are firing someone, but it helps a lot.
Dave, people in rural areas are often much better mannered than people in the cities. For example, the people in Wyoming and Nebraska are so nice, so friendly, that those of us from major metropolitan areas hardly know how to respond.
Because they have the same number of rules to follow as city-folk, it's just that the penalties for breaking them are less flexible. If you are rude in a city, you probably just get fired at worst. If you are rude to a bull, you probably won't get a chance to apologize.
@@Miyuki2319 Actually, I think rural people are just nicer. However, being rude to someone who you've known all your life and will know for the rest of your life, is a little different than being rude to someone who is either a short term acquaintance or who you don't know at all.
@@jogregg6442I think it’s more that, because there are less people in rural areas, everyone knows each other. If you go around being rude or insulting people or whatnot, word will spread quickly and you’ll be shamed for it. In a city with thousands of people, 99.99% are complete strangers to one another. If people are rude to one another, there will likely be no consequences (that is, shaming), because they don’t even know each other’s names, and most likely don’t even know any of the same people.
I was a recruiter. I was interviewing a prospective accounting clerk. She had an AA in accounting and her only experience was as a waitress. When I asked her how much she was looking to make, her answer was "My Accounting Professor said with my degree, I should make $70K/year". I looked her right in the eye and asked her, "What did your Economics Professor tell you?". She didnt get hired.
AA is Not a BA or BS or BBA degreee, and far short of a CPA. AA is just barely a few steps above unskilled labor, especially without any work experience.
They told me I'd make $60k after graduation, but mostly the offers were around $50k. It's too bad the hiring process can't be more transparent and wages known up front.
@@Excalibur2 My strategy in finding employment is, accept the first one you can grab, no matter how shitty the pay, then you start looking for others that can pay you better. The reason is, first to get "working experience" that's often demanded by employers, second is to make sure I won't be financially desperate to avoid me end up take an even shittier job than that first shitty job.
I dont work in a big company, but the small business I work at hasnt hired an employee under 30 in over 5 years now and the company runs smoother, better and more problem free than I have ever seen it run in my 15+ years here.
Sorry Dave, but the brightest, most polite, hardest working, most reliable people I know live in rural USA. They have integrity and care about their communities. They are civilized, in the best possible sense. Not so in urban areas, esp big cities.
I don't think Dave was dissing small town, blue collar folk who live in rural communities. I think the point is that to work in a business with many different types of people, individuals have to be civilized, have common sense, and strong social skills or it doesn't work There are just some environments where there's no slack or grace for poor conduct.
In my experience, rural people are lazy and want the workplace to come to them. People who want to work get up off their cans and seek good employment.
Nope - the rural population of ‘murica tend to be Xenophobic and most of them tend to be Trump Maga supporters, with 6th grade educations, if even that.
I lived in a rural area after my dad retired from the military, when I was 14 I worked on a farm and operated a tractor pulling a trailer on the roadway and was responsible for the health and well being of several different animals, when I was in high school and was old enough to do so I got a job at a major amusement park running rides and was responsible for the safety of others. Many of the gen z people never tried to get a job until after they graduated college, their parents had little or no expectations of them to get a job or even mow the grass or do household chores of any kind. I majored in electrical engineering in college and I had to pay for that on my own, there were no student loans back then and we did not get trophies for coming in eighth place. Our society has become way too entitled and a lot of that is bad parenting and kids not growing up in the evangelical church, I was told that the world did not owe me a living by the pastor about 50 years ago. Most people today do not know the 5 solas let alone the Protestant ethics that were once a cornerstone of our civilization, wokeism is the religion now.
from someone who grew up in Los Angeles, you're absolutely right. Rural families tend to teach their kids manners, life skills, and actually RAISE them. City living tends to bring out the worst in humanity.
We fired one 22 yr old after 5 weeks. He came into work with green hair and stained white t-shirts and said he knew everything. He did things his way when told do not do that it will screw up the instruments and screwed up every project he was given along with being on his cell phone a few hours a day.
Can’t believe you kept him so long. With me, he would have lasted 1 to 2 weeks. Document the warnings and strike three would be reached the first week.
We've been lucky at our job(water, waste water utility). All of our employees under 25 have been great. One didn't have much life training, but he was mostly raised by his single mother since his father lost the custody battle and could only see him 6 days a month and died of cancer in his sons teenage years. He was still enthusiastic about working and learning, so he still turned out to be an amazing worker after a few years.
Around the turn of the millennium in London I noticed a change in the nature of new, younger, staff. I was responsible for finance and IT and had no problems. Tech staff tend to be disciplined and many were from Ireland, South Africa, New Zealand, Africa and middle/northern UK working class guys with traditional work cultures. But in other departments we had to deal with emotionally uncontrolled women, lazy staff, uncooperative staff, stupid staff, absent staff and others who seemed to have mental problems. They were unreliable, emotional, quick to take offence, complain, would not meet deadlines and leave on time when they should have put in more time. What i saw is how incapable many were in interacting and working in teams.
I’m gen X always been so grateful to have my job and had a great work ethic not because I should but because it’s in my moral make up … it would have been a privilege to work for you Mr. Ramsey I believe in your mission and I just love your videos! Todays kids ( not all) are so entitled and lack work ethic and mutual respect, partly not their fault but they do need to wake up and get with the program because our world is not going to be kind to them and making a living will be their only survival because what’s coming next especially with our economy is not good ! May God Bless us all !
And who are the parents of these in functional Gen Zs??? Why GenXers of course! The GrnXers were the ones who introduced the slacker, what the hell, hands in pocket, everything sucks dude type of attitude.
Don’t lump me in Just because age puts me in this group . what I stated above was my true self … You want to take issue with the pathetic parents of these kids go for it but I do not consider myself a slacker parent ! I agree parents are accountable so take the fight up with those deserving it but not with me !!!! That’s what’s wrong with folks today they judge individuals based on the identity of their group !
@@BigJFindAWay I'm Gen X and my kids are in preschool. It's true we had that "everything sucks" attitude in the 80s-90s, when we were teenagers. Now we're in our 40s-50s and most of us have matured lol
On the opposite side the employers need to stop with this "perception is reality" crap. I was fired from a job because I was told I yelled at another rep over the phone. They played the call. I asked them when was I yelling. They said "well they felt like you were yelling, and perception is reality." On the plus side within two years of me being fired that whole division moved which would have doubled my commute, and then a year after moving it was shut down, and consolidated with the the other part of the company half the country away.
@@brixmoore9871 Indeed. Though some of the assholes, including my old boss, stayed in the state, are working for other companies, and actually got promoted. I mean I had been written up for pointing out inefficiencies such as wasted calls, or duplicate work.
Yeah, I had a Millennial come into my office and tell me I needed to "watch out how I talked to people". Now, mind, this guy was 37 years my junior and had no respect for his elders or betters. I asked him for specific examples, but he couldn't provide me with any. Very presumptuous. He was a good worker, though.
3 yrs ago in a manufacturing setting we hired a young lady for quality control. She quit at the end of the first day saying she did not think the work was actually going to be a dirty factory but in a clean room and she would be wearing a lab coat
@@OB928 I think it relates to being kept too "safe" and without pain; as well as responsibility at an early age. Being able to endure hardships is an essential life skill.
The problem is part the parent, government, and companies. And if we are being honest Soon as gay marriages were allowed america started going down. Then you had the control of the media to push all these different agendas which the government and big businesses have pushed because they benefit from it. Chances is if the gov and companies didn’t feed into it, even if the parent failed, then the kid would eventually end up a below to mid average worker or in jail. So yes the parenting is part the problem but barley. The biggest influence is government and big businesses.
I am over 50 years old and we had the same problem back in 2001 at our law office for old and young people. We had training on what was considered to be "business casual". It is not just a new problem. We had secretaries showing up in very revealing clothing and lawyers showing up in tee-shirts and jeans.
"Only two types" couldn't be closer to the truth, especially gen Z. There are some fantastic "kids" out there. Absolutely fantastic. But when they're not fantastic, it's a world of pain, for everyone. Kids that have played team sport and kids that have worked crappy jobs while they've been at school seem to be a cut above the rest. As for kids that come from Kansas? Country kids just seem to get on better in the workplace than city kids. They might be the butt of a few jokes and a bit of innuendo, but they get down and they get to it. And they've generally got much thicker skins.
The most helpful thing a job applicant can do is provide a list of their pronouns. At our company, that tells us all we need to know about whether they'll fit into our culture. (They won't.) Low-maintenance people make better workers.
If someone does provide me with "a list of their (acceptable) pronouns" that are other than what traditional English grammar books cite, they won't be working for me.
People used to say the same thing about gay & black people. Meanwhile, there are both gay & black professionals who are more successful than anyone commenting on a RU-vid comment board. Maybe you need to find a new reason to justify hating entire groups of people😂 you sound like a proud lead paint consumer.
I just told my son to look HARD at the skilled trades. Partially for these reasons. The old guys are retiring and everyone wants to be an office manager 🤣
100% agree, I got a college degree because my parents forced me to and then went straight into the trades. The pay is not great as an apprentice, but I'll be able to start my own business in a few years.
@@tonoshikikai it doesn't matter if they're paying minimum wage, you're still obligated to dress and act professionally. Or find somewhere else to work.
I'm a millennial and I currently work in retail with a bunch of Gen Z kids. There really are 2 types. There are a few who are some of the most respectful hardworking people, come to work dressed nice and are always looking for something to do at work. Then there's the other Gen Zs who come to work in a dirty tank top, sweat pants and flip flops everyday and spend large amounts of time in the bathroom and walking around on their phones doing absolutely nothing all day. If you tell them to do something they argue with you about it or they just disappear. I'm an assistant manager but the manager above me doesn't care whatsoever so he doesn't punish or fire anyone. I don't have the authority to fire anyone, but if I did half of these people would be gone. Yesterday the guy who wears the tank top and flip flops was changing his shirt right in front of customers at the cash register, and he's a very large guy with a chest like Dolly Parton. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And where was the manager? Standing right next to him... the manager is also Gen Z....
You are right about the lack of incentive and paying the same, despite different behavior. I worked as an assistant manager in a southeast retail chain store several years ago. My fellow assistant manager (same responsibilities, different part of the store) constantly showed up late, didn't come in for days at a time, (didn't even call out, and no call/no show would get one fired) and there were no penalties for his behavior. I couldn't figure it out. Review time came around and I was thinking (I was dumb) I would get a decent raise. Nope. Pennies. I was talking to the HR manager about the whole situation - that I was having to do his job and mine, since he didn't even come into work some days. She "accidentally" left the review papers out where I "accidentally" (and very briefly) found them. He and I had gotten basically the same numerical ratings, even though he didn't show up for work. The same ratings for attitude toward work, demeanor, etc. It was very eye-opening and discouraging to me, since this was my first "big time" (I thought) management position.
Yes, you are correct. It is a HR problem. I am not on SS and decided after covid to go back to work. I was hired based on one phone call and one group chat to see if I would "fit in". Well, I am a funny lady and know how to work a group and was hired. I came to orientation and was amazed at how bad HR was. You had to go online and figure out your own insurance and 401K and I know NONE of the young ones hired at the same time knew ANYTHING about that. Nine months later and I am still here but the revolving door is a constant. Worse yet - I have advanced skills that are never utilized. I will give it a full year here and see if I can make any difference at all. It's not looking good, but I will give it a very serious best effort!
I’m gen z and 100% agree with everything just said. I do want to offer some explanations as to this generation’s behavior. 1. Unreciprocated virtue and vice. It started back in grade school and is unfortunately still very common in the workforce. The “bad kids” are not punished properly and the “good kids” are not properly rewarded. This leads to a lot of problems. Obviously the bad kids never learn to correct their behavior and are basically dragged along through school and work with little to no consequences for their actions. The good kids are consistently lumped in with them and suffer from group punishment if there is any at all. They do not get any attention from authority or their peers for high achievement. This usually leads to one of three things 1. They just become bad kids because it’s easier and there are not many consequences. 2. They stop giving their all and just coast. They genuinely stop caring about society because they feel like society never cared about them. 3. They become increasingly selfish. If there is no incentive for working hard for the right reasons why should they work hard for anyone but themselves. 2. Female entitlement. Call me a misogynist if you will but gen z women are atrocious. It’s very much a generational thing. I look at women from older generations and can absolutely stand by most of them being the moral and legal equals to men. When it comes to gen z the 19th amendment needs to be repealed as a matter of national security. In my experience the divide between “great” and “sucks” between gen z men Is about 30/70. With gen z women it’s closer to 5/95. It’s that bad. 3. Lack of social confidence. Everything from the government, to the economy, to dating and marriage, to the workplace, to homeownership have been massive disappointments to my generation. The two most common responses to how poorly these have been managed by older generations as been either apathy or distain. Don’t be surprised when a hard working gen z individual is extremely pessimistic or borderline paranoid about everything.
The only thing I would correct you on #3 is it is more WHERE THE F*** ARE YOUR PARENTS??? My mother would beat me like it was my career if I acted like a good chunk of your generation. I remember turning 13 and my mother took me down to city hall to get my work permit. My freshman summer of high school I was working as a bag boy in the grocery store. We had to pay for our first car and she got us to learn the value of a dollar if we wanted anything.
@@kissmy_butt1302 I was lucky. Grew up in a two parent household and they taught me good values even if I was being a stinker. It’s a shockingly obvious to identify who doesn’t have a father or any real discipline in the house once you know the signs.
There are a lot of reasons, which don't get studied in an unbiased way. Millenials will get understandably defensive and older gens chock it up to a couple issues and talk about how things were back in the day. It is worth more serious attention. Boomers and Millens are similar (most parents/children are). As Gen X, we started cynical and disillusioned, and I am not sure why (I don't think latchkey was the reason, but maybe Vietnam and recession). We had harder parents, but maybe too hard (adults treated kids poorly, as if they were taking out their personal frustrations). We resented Boomers and our parents, and it carried into the workplace. Unlike Boomers and Millens, X never felt like they had to disrupt and save the world. If you wanted a good job, you had to work hard and study the right things. Schools demanded more, now they don't prepare people for what is coming. Saw this in the military too, where Millens came in with more potential, but the military trained them less, and the results showed (for a while it was due to cost cutting, now for a 'better' work environment). Maybe some hardship is necessary to test everyone and bring them together. We are divided and less efficient than I have ever seen. Good luck to us in the existing/coming recession/depression. Millens are the future, but they need to get back to basics, not revolutionize.
"With gen z women it’s closer to 5/95. It’s that bad." This is because women, young women spend more pennies on the dollar than any other demo, so the entire media culture is oriented around telling them they are perfect on the one hand just the way they are, and, on the other hand, no one is perfect enough for them. They bring nothing to the table and demand everyone else bring everything to the table. They are aggressive, entitled, mean, selfish boors. They are permanently damaged future cat ladies.
Etiquette training is a great idea. The goal of any training program should be to bring all participants up to a certain par level of skill. The best way to do that is with an organized effort, led by a competent instructor, who knows the culture and goals of the leadership. A class on business writing should be mandatory, as well.
Employers shouldn''t have to do the parents' job and the school's job. If the employee graduated from high school or college they should have the very basic skills. Employers want employees ready to work.
@@jgirl18515 - I hear what you're saying and agree, in a perfect world. But the mark of an outstanding workplace is one that invests in training its workforce (of all ages and levels of experience) to "par" levels of skill (and beyond). Not everyone is raised by the same types of parents, or goes to the same types of schools, so a par-training initiative brings all team members up to company-defined levels...and not only in "soft skills," but in office tech (MS Office suite, etc) and even things like how to run the phone system and copy machines. Good discussion here. Thanks for your comment.
@@mcarrusa Exactly. Somewhere around the early 2000s, companies stopped investing in transition and continuous training for employees, or making a menu of outside skill training available for us. Instead now you sit for DEI and getting either beaten up or exalted for your skin color. And skill training is extremely valuable even for senior people to level set everyone. I learned many essentials of management communication during one off-site course and managing ad/creative agencies at another --and I was an experienced senior manager/director.
These classes are a great idea but not at the expense of the employer. These are skills you should pursue, on your time and dime, to prepare for employment. A local community college frequently offers these. It's your responsibility to accrue hirable skills.
I taught business writing at a college. Nearly all the students were juniors or seniors, and the class was an elective. Most of the students loved the class and would comment how helpful it will be to their careers, but they couldn't understand why it was not a requirement-they wish they took it sooner. I've taught in a few different places, a few different cohorts, a few different subjects and never had seen students so INVESTED in the class like that one. While I dislike generalities, I must say that colleges these days provide low-quality instruction/curriculums and aren't preparing students for the workplace. When it isn't driven by ideological garbage, there is such a focus on theory theory theory... nothing practical, and no bridging that theory with reality. Students WANT knowledge they can use. Higher education today is failing our citizenry and is mostly just a cash grab. In fact, the same could be said of primary & secondary education today as well. Homeschool your children, people; they will not be constantly playing catch-up like the individuals being discussed in the video AND they will not have their minds ideologically-poisoned. I also agree in spirit with the commenters who say employers shouldn't be the ones to teach these soft skills. The situation is unacceptable... however, one must be pragmatic. If most of the talent pool is like this, either you do keep firing until you form a team who is up to par (which is probably quite the time and money investment in itself), or you make the best of a bad situation and invest & skill them. I do not think there is a perfect answer, other than do NOT lower expectations, but help lift everyone so they are equipped to meet expectations.
I worked somewhere that had to do this kind of course because they kept hiring graduates who were top of their class, spoilt brats. We quietly called it the "don't be a dick" course. Until someone overheard us and complained about the masculine terminology (I'm not kidding)
@@peteranon8455 "Hah. Those same people would be offended with the "don't be a C*nt" courses..." Do you consider yourself a serious professional? Would you actually think either of those are acceptable workplace terms? Interesting.
As much as I totally agree with you, we have to unfortunately eventually come to terms with the need to train these life skills on the job for the job to have a future. I'm 50 and work in a large big truck assembly plant in Virginia. The work is a grind the pay and benefits are better than most. This company hires and fires in the usual way as you mentioned. The problem is, the usual way is depleting the workforce pool. It's getting harder to find individuals with any skillset or will to do manual labor. The new hires right out of school have zero labor or human interaction skills, so they don't last through the 90 day probation. I think by my own observations, we have to start molding and training these individuals as they come in the door to be what we need them to be because they don't have a clue to what it means to work or have a job period. The companies that embrace this will prosper and the ones that don't, will move to Mexico. It's sad but true.
Agree with this. I also think this is where probationary periods come in. If you can achieve your check-off/ expectations by your 90 day probationary period you can be offered a full time job w benefits. Gives them something to work towards
young people don't have any motivation to work hard because the pay is awful. Wages used to be great 50 years ago but now the cost of living is outpacing wages.
Absolutely these companies need to invest in orientation and training. When I was hired as an assembly line worker at a Fortune 100 company, I had a two-week long orientation that I remember to this day. It was deep and profound and ahead of its time. I grew up feral and raised myself so it was a paradigm shift for me. Paradigm shift was one of the subjects we learned about in orientation.
A ton of companies are hiring and interviewing without actually meeting face to face. That’s part of the problem-hired via zoom and you have no clue how they truly interact with people.
I’m one of the oldest millennials, and I had immediate supervisors who would show up 45 minutes late to open before during the period where I didn’t yet have my keys. It was insane. She wasn’t gen Z, but it was still interesting.
I was head of a law enforcement agency. If we had a hiring process, and the entire field of applicants didn’t meet our standards, we started the process over, rather than lower our standards. Also had to convince some long time employees that their present skills and decisions were no longer compatible with our needs.
That may have been the case, 30 years ago. Today, you can’t be picky when hiring… “If you can’t get the right employee, make the right employee out of what you can get”
Agree -- I live in Wyoming and they start ranch kids off gathering eggs when they're 3 YO. I'll hire that over some "gender-fluid" crackpot any day of the week!
Be in the right place, right time, correct uniform. Be ready to solve problems and be a force multiplier for everyone on your team. If you do all of these while maintaining professional bearing and a positive attitude you will be relevant for your entire career. As a leader if you have the luck to assemble a team of people with the above ethic and you find your team failing the problem is either environmental or it is you.
My company already had to come up with this training. Some were about communication skills, but the top item was about giving the benefit of the doubt, mercy....ethics. Ethics are hard to teach. I don't want to work with crazy and rude. I'm retiring early at 62.
The trouble is many children are pushed off to day orphanages, and tell their adult caretakers not to teach their children social skills or values, so most of them do not learn how to socialize with the adults who were raised by their parents and taught positive social skills and values.
After working in private industry for 15 years, in 1987 I took a job with a government agency. Since my job involved enforcing regulations, sometime people came to meetings in our offices. Since some of these people had traveled for six hours by car, and sometimes ended up spending a couple of nights in a hotel. For this reason, I felt that it was only respectful to dress up, a little bit. I always wore dress slacks, and dress shirt and tie, every day at the office. I did this because people sometimes just dropped by when they were in town. But there were people, some of whom were at levels higher than I was who routinely came to work with jeans and sweatshirts, sometimes not even clean clothes. I think we have lost a lot in our society because we don't teach young people proper behavior, proper grammar, spelling and communication skills. When I was in High School, the taught us things like how to write a business letter, how to properly answer a phone in a workplace, and a lot of other skills that seem to be lacking today.
"Not the snappiest of dressers, but I don't wear sweatpants and flipflops" That about sums up my attitude to dressing as well. And not just for the workplace. If I'm not in my own home, I don't look like an absolute slob.
Work retail. Some of the people I've seen looked like the rolled out of bed and decided today they'd go shopping .. dressed just as they are. We have actually complimented women (and some men) when they come in dressed up! and thanked them for that.
Totally agree it's either excellent or sucks. It's kind of crazy how many of them seem to think work is just an extension of college and wearing whatever sleepwear/athleasure wear is fine.
@@dustinp161 Boomers raised plenty of millennials. Boomers span from the end of World War II to 1964 and people have kids well into their 30's and early 40's.
Who gave birth to, raised, adopted, educated, coached, hired, ministered to and pastored Gen Z? The rest of our generations! Therefore WE need to OWN *our* shortcomings in leadership/parenting and figure out how to reach and relate to them!
honestly I would blame schools a lot for the change. Yes parents are primarily responsible but in the past when the parents were lacking the schools would pick up the slack and require good etiquette.
@@froniccruxis1049 So it’s not the schools then because you just said “when the parents were lacking.” Schools, some, may have saved your kid from the life you were creating/destroying for them. Maybe the parenting is so bad that the schools couldn’t “pick up the slack.” It’s not the school’s responsibility to raise your child, it’s their job to educate them if they are willing to be educated. Schools have very little ability to discipline your kids or teach them anything outside of basic subject. Take accountability for how your child turned out because guaranteed another child who went to the same school (raised by different parents), ended up with different outcomes. What does that tell you? Get real.
@@GoJojo-lv6zi there is a reason why their is the saying "it takes a village". What happens when the village doesn't hold any sane values. Also I never said the parents don't have value but even kids that grew up with good parents are ruined by social norms, especially in their coming of age period such as high school.
@@froniccruxis1049 Ok that’s all well and good but you literally said you would blame the schools more. So which is it? What was the point of that comment if it’s both? Sounds like you want to avoid accountability.
New hires in their 20s have a HUGE issue with coachability. You tell them how something is done, and they take it as a personal affront. Then, they will be defiant: "well, I do it this way!" And I'll hear my favorite manager say "cool, you can do it your way when you found your own company".
I worked with a kid in RETAIL. He has since been fired for NOT showing up. I had to keep on him for a very simple job - three times in fact. He thought he should be making more money - after showing up late... and not doing his job. He THINKS he is going to make it in the military. lol He has NO IDEA. I tried to tell him.. but he wasn't listening.
it's like this entire generation was not taught humility, or how to submit to someone else's authority. Good luck "being your own boss" Mr. Big Bad 20 year old lol
I was finding that with Gen Y in the early oughts. Advice from a senior person went in one ear and out the other. I learned to stop trying to mentor and be very cut and dried.
The fault lies with the companies who focus on hiring based on gender and skin color check boxes above fit and value. They have bent over backwards for them and are now stuck.
Yep they hire entitled white boys with no manners or work ethic who cheated off of POC throughout their entire education. Now the people who chose nepotism want to complain 🙄
@@MikinessAnalog Hiring based on whiteness and nepotism is why the world is a disaster rn. Diversity didn’t do all of that. Maybe you should get your priorities straight, unless you wanted a familiar workplace while the world burns around you. In which case, to each their mentally ill own. Btw, hiring based on “diversity” is *exactly the same as the previous practice of hiring based on whiteness* - except now it doesn’t benefit you, it just benefits literally everyone else. Whiteness and the oppression of other people didn’t make you better at all, it just gave you fewer people to compete with. Get over it. Now you actually have to compete AND other people will benefit from prejudice in the way people like you did for many years. Blame your ancestors because without the tide flowing in their direction for so long, it wouldn’t be turning the other way now. C’est la vie. Life is unfair, y’all taught us that lol. Edit: And even mediocre POC will get the job done the way mediocre white people have for so many years. There were lazy people, half-assed projects, stupid bureaucracies BEFORE POC were being favored. Don’t play dumb. Imo, based on history, POC work harder. Especially immigrants. Playing dumb is just playing yourself. Instead of whining, pull your white self up by your bootstraps and just work harder.
I'm Gen X and I just started having kids... my oldest is in preschool. I definitely won't be raising them that way. I find myself becoming more boomer-like in my parenting lol
Gen Z's may lack communication skills due to their mobile screen dependence but millennials aren't far behind. It is not at all unusual to see managers old enough to know better walk into meetings and sit at the table and open their laptop to do email while the person who is trying to conduct the meeting that the manager called for is speaking.
I think about when I entered the workforce 20+ years ago, and I was pretty feral 😂 No way the me of today would have put up with the me of then, so I’m grateful somebody did.
When I worked in catering, training the new people, I must have been firm but kind because the people who started off not so great became my best workers. It's a high turnover gig job but I like to think I helped in their job journey and they always left with gratitude for what they learned. My mission is to help young people to succeed, something which was never given to me.
I entered the workforce around 1998... I was pretty young and stupid, but I knew how to dress and act professionally in a workplace setting. Mostly thanks to my boomer parents who hammered that into me.
“Keep crazy out of the building” is key. If you’re being professional and your management isn’t, crazy is already in the building and you need to get out. If you are professional management don’t let it in and don’t be crazy.
At my old job the gen z would wear pajamas or dress like they’re going to the club. They had no clue and they’d freak out when you told them to dress for the job.
I'm a baby boomer (although I was born late in that era). I'm astounded at the plague of no-shows at jobs. I was scheduled for a group interview four yeara ago. The weather was snow and ice, but the roads were in good shape. I got the job becausr I was the only one that actually showed up!
Back in the late 70's I worked for a well known conservative company. Men wore long sleeve white shirts and ties and 3 piece suits and women wore hoisery, heels, and dresses. My how times have changed.
Sounds nice. I really dont like business casual anymore. I dress BC, more towards the formal side and I resent the slovenly way in which some people at my job dress.
For a lot of corporate jobs, I’m glad they got away from that because it just isn’t necessary. I’m working at a computer, I’m not standing in a wedding. However, I think things have become a little too laxed. I work in an office and I wear a button down shirt and my khakis which I think is appropriate and I appear more dressed up than most.
I am currently working as a server in the dining hall at a good college. We are told to simply wear something decent. I habitually wear skirts and hosiery. At first the more insecure middle aged scruffy women took it badly but got over it. Your attire influences your work, absolutely, no matter what the profession.
my first office job in the 90s was "business casual" dress, which I thought meant khakis and polos. There was another guy in the office who would wear slacks and tie every day, and he sort of inspired me to dress nicer. I felt like he was making me look bad by dressing nicer than me lol
Across all generations you have good and bad ones, however recently, life has been so easy that few know the sacrifices it takes to live independently as a productive member of society.
I'd argue it's been the opposite. COVID along with multiple bear markets and other issues have made it tougher for each generation after the boomers. I don't think anyone could say they had it easy, but things are definitely getting more competitive.
I wouldn't say life has gotten easier at all. Just look at how much it cost to live a basic lifestyle and then look at the pay you get. Gen Z is starting at the very bottom of the totem pole and they still need to be able to afford to live like all the other generations. So they actually have it worst then the generations prior to the boomers. They just don't have a war to fight in yet.
@@Excalibur2 "Good luck teaching them how to write paper mail" Yeah or how to align punch cards properly so the computer can read them. Any number of skills nobody uses anymore!
An aspiring house framer showed up on our framing crew to work in Flip Flops shorts. He was quite lost, then tired then hot and red and finally fell out and went home, took about 90 minutes.
I'm pretty sure that Gen z's that want to work for a company like Dave Ramsey's are a little further up in the food chain than most. Millenials and Gen X should be ashamed of themselves for raising these kids.
If you make it through the hiring process at Ramsey's, you're a bit desperate. They act like a cult, demanding a list of things including that you don't have unwed sex. They require you to hand over personal info like bank statements to review and decide if you spend your money well.
I work at school for 26 years this is what I see... parents want to be their kids best friend. Many kids don't have basic manners like excuse me or please and thank you. They say what they want to whoever they want whenever they want. They are destructive to school property and they definitely don't clean up after their selves! Much of the school day is spent discipling kids and not much time left for teaching. Many parents don't want to take responsibility for their kids behavior and don't want to hear any negative comments. Mental health is rampant and takes a lot of time with specialists hired by schools. Kids have very short attention spans and very little patience! Don't get me started on what they wear! Try spending the day at your kids school and see how tough it is just to get through the day!
I bet their parent are so proud of raising their child to live at home for the rest of their life and their parents will be cleaning up after their disastrous know it all decisions. I'm wondering if these little darling like paying their taxes for their environment/ save the planet crap, along with them they and there. LOL good luck
My son reported that his middle school had to remove the salad bar entirely when after many days of kids only using it to throw vegetables at each other, someone took the entire thing and upended it. My daughter lamented yesterday that the lunch ladies in her elementary school work so hard to make lunch fun for the kids, but my daughter is the only one who ever says thank you to them - it makes her sad. And this is in what is supposedly the best school district in the city - most of the parents of these kids are educated professionals. Parents need to teach their kids common courtesy, and schools need to as well. Unfortunately in my son’s school there were no consequences for the out of control kids, either.
that's the big difference I see too. If I got in trouble at school 40 years ago, my parents would have whooped my butt and made me go apologize to the principal and teachers. Today, the parents think their little angels can do no wrong and the school must be in the wrong.
yea when I hire people the bottom limit I use is can you show up to work? we work 4 days a week 10 hour shifts 99% of the time -- Can you do it? and most say yes and about 5% actually can do it.
Qualified Gen X here unemployed 9 months and counting from a Fortune 500 global bank. Maybe companies should drop the stigmas associated with ageism and hire people who are qualified and actually want or need the job!
My little brother is millennial and he says that in general both boys and girls of his generation and Gen Z lack work ethic, they are not organized and poorly perform their tasks.
Unfortunately, very large companies don’t have the option of sorting through employees any longer. My former company had 40,000+ employees and it was impossible to sustain those numbers without accepting some questionable hires.
The school I attended, you had to learn that in fifth or sixth grade. I remember watching old B&W films on "how to properly answer the telephone" in grade school. Not sure when or why that practice was discontinued.
@@jballew2239it took too long and has no purpose. Caller ID exists now and if you need an email answered sooner than you don’t have time for an email like this “Dear Sandra from accounting, I hope this email finds you well. I know you stole my sandwich. Sincerest regards, Douglas”
Nope, I checked the calendar, it's not April 1. Now as for appropriate attire I worked for several years at a company who's dress code was "if you can wear it on main street without getting arrested, you can wear it at work. And that was back in the 90's. But nobody really pushed it that far. At worst you saw the occasional ratty (but clean) t-shirt or sweat pants. But about this not being civilized if you're from the country. Well who am I to argue with big city wisdom, I'm just a country boy. I'll just have to make do with my uncivilized country ways, like having a good work ethic, being polite and respectful, not shoplifting, or rioting and burning cars and buildings.
For the educate and office behavior really is inherited by early on work. Meaning that when I had my 1st job at Dicks sporting goods as a bike tech you learn by, wearing your uniform, being on time and doing what your boss tells you. As years progress when you get to more of a professional setting its already inherited.
I think he doesn’t realize how big the problem is because his company gets a very select set of applicants - mostly educated, conservative young adults raised by conservative parents. That’s weeded out 50% or more of the general applicant pool before they even apply.
It's "appalling" that he didn't talk about what you want him to talk about? Start a podcast and you can make sure the topics you cover are important to you.
I find myself complaining about the current work force all the time. I don't like complaining about these youngsters and how the perform at work. But they make it so easy.
However the gen Z doesn't seem to respect the previous gens just because they think the boomers are solely responsible for the "bad" economy and global"warming"
Incredible what happens when you take away an entire generations incentive to work hard. Almost No opportunities to start a family and no opportunity to own a house
If you need to take a class on how to act as a decent adult, then you are not ready for a job among adults, and it is not the responsibility of your employer to teach you how to behave or to babysit you.
@@AmericanScout-USA First, my comment was regarding people of all ages who do not behave as adults. Secondly, the value of anyone's work is a matter of supply and demand. If you don't like what free markets will bear for your work, you are free to pursue various means of positioning yourself to produce work of a higher value. if you don't like free markets, there are still communist holdouts such as China, Cuba, and N Korea. You will love it there.
@@AmericanScout-USA You either don't understand, or don't want to accept, the reality of free markets. You want to blame some class of people for what you are paid, when the reality is that for any business to compete in their markets, they cannot afford to overpay or underpay for the type of work being performed by their employees / contractors. It is not anyone's greed that sets the values of various types of work. It is simple supply and demand. In order for your work to be highly-valued, there must be market demand for it, and it must not be within the ability of too many people willing to do it.
parents today treat schools as if they're babysitters, expecting them to raise their children for them. I hardly see ANY parents today teaching their kids values, manners, how to behave in public, how to handle their emotions... basically how to survive in the world as an adult. No one is teaching kids these things, and we're seeing the results of that today as they become "adults" with toddler mentality.
He’s too fucking lazy. Their whole generation was too fucking lazy to raise us. Now they’re too fucking lazy to do basic workforce training after their failure to raise us. But god forbid we aren’t all perfect workers for 36,000$ a year (a salary that can’t buy a car in todays economy). Boomers are out of touch and just a terrible generation
Ironic to hear grown adults say that gen Z can’t take criticism when all I’ve ever seen is adults can’t emotionally regulate themselves and take criticism. It’s not a unique experience. Y’all just always complain about the next gen and y’all should think about about how crazy the times are for young kids. It’s not normal, nothing is normal compared to how older generations lived.
I've heard of this occurring in the workplace. These are the ones who were pampered and not told how to behave appropriately. Some are college graduates who attended schools with "safe spaces" and other "feel good" measures in place. They have never faced working a forty hour work week or (dare I say it!) work overtime now & again. As you are mention, there are many who are excellent employees. Some do need help in manners, appropriate behavior, personal hygiene, etc. They do come in many ways. One scenario that most Gen Z people are not ready for are the occasional hostile boss. Being in a hostile work environment is impossible to these people.
I once needed to tell a millennial who had bare feet in the office to please put his shoes on. Most of the issues I saw were with millennials not Gen z. Gen z was a fresh breath of air!
My issue in my 20's was all the bla bla bla & pontificating. Shut up and let people work. No one needs to feed a boss' ego. I still hate the chatter but I bring in the most money. Do. Not talk.
@@katemiller7874so if someone clearly doesnt value you, you should go all out? I disagree. Take your job seriously, put some effort in.. but its a two way street! No one is owed good employees that show up and work hard. No one. That has to be earned like everything else
When gen z and millennials grow up constantly scrolling on the phones, and use them to avoid social interaction, how do we think these two demographics will turn out?
@@Travis12861 boy you think you know everything don’t you Travis. You don’t think 30-40 year olds didn’t scroll through their phones in their earlier years?
@@AmericanScout-USA it's said that most people don't keep up with technological advances past the age of 30, which makes sense. I'm in my 40s now and I'm already needing some of this new crap explained to me lol
It’s so funny that the only example Dave could think of was a young woman dressing like “she’s on a stripper pole.” In my experience it’s mostly young guys that can’t dress for shit and don’t understand business casual. But I’m sure his conservative Christian company has had a young woman dress like a stripper, I’m sure king boomer would never exaggerate
What is striking is that up until the 1960's, people over dressed for even mundane things. Now we cannot get people to dress up to go to work. I'm so glad that my parents let me skin my knees when I was a kid back in the 1960's. I learned how to work like my life depended on it and to respect others. I have my job because I deal with clients and have great communication and problem solving skills and love dealing with difficult cases. Customer service is almost non-existent these days and people appreciate how I handle them. But then again I'm in my 60's and I show people respect.
So the major issue is we have gone from dei training to this. Maybe the solution would be changing how you interview, maybe do group interviews and have situation testing.
"It’s because they did away with dress codes in the schools!" Yeah that's some Grade A boomer cope. Public schools haven't had dress codes for multiple generations.
