David Draiman could not have said it better himself. On everything. Both Device and Disturbed's music have a reason behind the music. To me, its a declaration. Specifically Disturbed "Indestructible."
Walters didn't single out an individual or ONLY Jewish orthodox individuals or the political party in power residing in Israel, his imagery was chosen to target an entire people, of which, Draiman is part of. That is the issue.
solar solar solar what dont u understand palestinians.wanted to throw jews in the sea along with 7 other arab nations in 1948. if israel didnt react they would be dead . that being said the odds were overwhelmingly aginst israel's survival. so its a miracle that israel after being oppressed and still being oppressed by arab neighboring countries , israel still flourishes.
I love listening to him just talk. His voice seems to be so calming compared to his music. I have met him with Device and he is such a sweet man and loyal to his fans
you couldn't be more offensive...more despicable...and more DISGUSTING than for him to actually put the star of David on a pig?!? I cannot believe that anyone who is considered an "entertainer" would be this heartless and damn disrespectful to an entire group of people! !! I am a HUGE MAJOR Disturbed fan and just saw them in Biloxi Tuesday night(fucking amazing show 😆).... but first and foremost for years before Disturbed was ever on the scene i WAS a huge Pink Floyd fan....those days are gone now...and I myself am not Jewish. ..I am Native American Cerokee/ Blackfoot Indian.., but I was raised to respect every person and to never judge...and to never purposely offend anyone for any reason...I was taught that we are all entitled to live our lives peacefully among everyone but if need be you fight for what you believe in and you never back down from an issue this offensive to an entire group of people who suffered through some of the most atrocious... haneous treatment in HISTORY!!! I cannot even imagine what his grandmother endured at the tender age of 6 years!! I don't even want to imagine what horror she went through barely escaping with her life so many times!! and the way the Jewish people were starved... beaten..humiliated. .tortured and so many killed for the likes of a sick man who if his own followers would have had any fucking balls they would have turned on Hitler instead and ripped his pathetic nuttless ass and ripped him apart instead of killing hundreds of thousands of good decent people and the women and children?!?! That shows a bunch of weak..insecure... pathetic sniffling pussies to do what they did to the Jewish people...and what was done to my people was atrocious and traced several of my own ancestors who were made to walk the trail if tears and were lost to us forever because one group of people wanted to rule and dominate another! its WRONG to uphold what he has done to the Jewish people and how he has blatantly disrespected the entire Jewish community with this disgusting act...I am sorry to say this since I grew up with pink Floyd. ..but I will never support them again because of this stunt...
@@tariqkhonji6556 I just did, there's not a single picture of the pig with christian or Islamic symbols, and even if there was, Roger Waters knows the history of European antisemitism, he knows damn well that Jews being depicted as pigs used to be a big antisemitic canard in Europe, criticizing Israel by having a pig with a star of david is like criticizing Ethiopia by doing blackface
Hearing him speak about his grandfather and how his grandmother managed to survive the Holocaust made me tear up and stomach turn. David is a fantastic and impassioned speaker and I hope that he continues telling their stories, whether spoken, written or in song. These are stories that need to be told so that they are not forgotten, so that they will not be repeated... never again.
Humanity loves a great story. I always like to tell the story about how my grandfather had wings and flew everywhere he needed to go. Back in the good ole days when impossible things happened every day..
@@capitalism420 For the same reason young people go on hunger strikes and survive. Are you really this dumb? Older weaker people died. Younger stronger people lived. Just like anything else.
Hearing David Draiman talk I can honestly say that he would stand up for anybody who's being oppressed in any form he would literally fight for anybody's rights no matter what it seems like a genuine person
hes littlerly the nazis who run the west an censor anyone who exposes their kkklan is the only race on the planet allowed to own things or be in media. an have thoughts. 🤣 but i think ots actually the game making the 2 of you appear to exist. so its not your fault you cant do things of value or have thoughts of your own.
There's a difference between being conceptually anti-religion and directing animosity towards a specific group more than other groups. It's like the difference between Hitchens and Hitler. Hitchens didn't hate you if you were Jewish, he just believed very strongly that you were misguided. Hitler actually hated you and acted upon it.
@@brucegough oh dear God free us from ppl like Bruce....what the hell is wrong with you man Go free your mind come to Israel and see the damn truth we are not the bad side I wish you to open your eyes 👀
@@brucegough Yes free Palestine, send all the invading Arabs back to their home countries, and let the rightful righteous people reclaim their ancient homeland.
Breath of fresh air, David Draiman! Thank you for your timely and succinct words. I am continually shocked and disturbed at the things I hear on some of these new age sites and social media.
I will be praying for you David - love your strength, your intelligence, the pure logic of your stance. You have a King David mantel for the fight, and that is breathtaking! The world needs more people like you, courageous, truth-seeking, honor-bound, noble in your intentions! I agree with you 100% - although Israel needs to remain Israel, undivided - God will protect her children; the collective assortment of Jews, Christians and Muslims within her boundaries, anything else, and they will be predictably screwed with. I've been there, touched and seen the tangible peace of Jerusalem and encountered all the flavour of her wonderful peoples, even amidst great sorrows. Watch and see the supernatural hand of Yahweh protect ....ultimately! Israel is forever! And, the media is rubbish! Time for people to wake up to that truth and just WHO is behind all media outlets! Shalom to you and your precious family as you walk the path of destiny, like Ester did.
Why would anyone still assume Roger Waters' use of the star of David to be an anti-semitic message when Roger himself has said that it isn't and explained why it isn't? If he was actually anti-semitic or trying to spread an anti-semitic message, it would be grossly out of line with everything else he has ever spoken of in his personal philosophy and songwriting.
Because actions speak much louder than words. And when you openly support a terrorist organisation that want to murder all Jews (Hamas), then yes, you ARE an anti-semite. Add to that Waters' love for Putin and it's about time that more people start to see Waters for the Nazi that he is.
@Ulf Joakim you can't compare the wars durimg the prophet time to isis/alqaeda...because the war during the prophet time started because the pagans were slaughtering muslims... and remember who made al-qaeda...isis ahm ahm **USA**
He moans that a star was put on a pig. What about the poor children of Palestine who are tortured or worse by Israeli soldiers, what about people who have their home s destroyed by actions of Zionazism. I respect D.Drainman as a musician and artist but I dont respect his views.
Anyone else see the irony in David saying he reacts violently to people shoving their ideals down other people's throat, when he is trying to do the same thing to Roger Waters?
He is entitled to his opinion, however, the pig in question, was a negative symbol to be torn apart at the end of the show, It was meant to be offensive in that sense. Mr Water's father and grandfather both died in WW2 fighting against the nazis. There is nazi-esque imagery all over that album and film and it has been there for 30 some odd years. That album, and the show in question, is and always has been dark satire. It's art, which sometimes can be offensive... but to call Roger Waters anti semitic is ignorant. I understand that the idea of a jewish star on a pig is not a positive image, but when I see the show, I get the feeling that he's saying all symbols are just that, symbols of dogma, that perpetuate war and the like. Just my opinion, Disturbed did a great job on that Genesis cover.
To take any symbol which stands for a people, for a history, and all the suffering and sacrifice that went with it (not only in Judaïsm)- then portray it as a symbol of oppression, to be destroyed, is at the very least not a very respectful move. I carry my symbol with pride, it gives me strength and I hold it in my heart with my head held high. To have someone label it as oppressive, take it and stigmatise it, would be very hurtful to me. I can very much understand that jews would be 'less than pleased' and I fully agree. Art can give meaning, opinions, and it can be unpleasant, or sting. Having a pig fly through the air with a star of David, as if it is an aberration, an oppression and something to be destroyed and to be torn apart, is not art in my opinion. That action deserves its own pig- that's the ideas that should be frowned upon and removed.
@@brucegough how are my people nazis? My grandfather was shot by actual nazis while he was getting fugitives to safety. My great-uncle was captured, tortured, and shot, along with whomever was left of his platoon, by- you guessed it... not the allied forces! My great grandmother harboured fugitives and allied forces, to keep them safe from nazis and nurse them back to health. My nation too suffered under the invasion and oppression of nazis. My religious 'people' were also sent to concentration camps. My family, my nation, my religion are all about as anti-nazi as can be. Having family killed while fighting the third reich regime, makes that I find your comment slightly offensive, and highly unfounded and uneducated.
Roger Waters has always been an anti-semitic. He has 300 million dollars and yet speaks about Jewish people with all their money(?). I feel like you and you are so eloquent.
Gotta love the conflation between anti-zionism and anti middle eastern racism . Every time you guys say anti-semitic are you aware that that term also applies to anti-arab sentiment? As Arabs are Semitic people
Ok listen... im a Palestinian... and i agree.. kind of... the star is a symbol of the holy religion not for israel... so ok yeah i understand, he is standing of for his religion not for israel.. and mr waters is disrespecting the religion.. so yeah he has a point..
As Christians or Jews because when you’re baptized, no matter what church it comes from. It automatically means that you are doing it or supposed to be doing it for the right reason.
5:07 When I saw that this video was unedited, I kind of expected some profanity. But David was very humble and showed a great deal of restraint. The most profane he got was when he referenced the "damn pig". I wonder what his thoughts are regarding the current state of events in the world, given that this interview was 10 YEARS AGO! God bless you David! I stand in support of Israel!
disturbed scream for "freedom of speech" just because you don't agree doesn't mean you, as a person, can't say it. Roger waters was simply making a reference to the life he was living. Post war. Draiman is overly sensitive here, but then again these days everyone is.....
Abraços do Brasil ao David e ao povo judeu! Parabéns, David! Concordo totalmente com você. Apoio 100 você, povo judeu e o Estado de Israel. Estamos juntos! 🤜🤛
I absolutely agree R. Waters shouldn't use the Star of David, but it is also true he uses he Crucifix, the Crescent and Star, the Hammer and Sickle, the Shell Oil Logo and The McDonald’s Sign, a Dollar Sign and a Mercedes sign on the pig.
I don't get it. Is he saying that the Palistinian people are a problem. Cause if he is saying that he should watch a documentary about the children of Palistinia who lost there parents during a bombing by Israel
disbsam333 Are you talking about the actual rockets Israel launches on Palestine or the homemade Palestinian rockets with a blast radius of about 50 cm?
I mean, I appreciate that David answers many of the points around this issue (e.g. Israeli government not being equivalent to its people or the faith, creative licence, etc.) but his critical error was on the sticking point itself. "Those other symbols were used in the show, but not on the pig. Not on the pig." Yes, they were, Google image search. I saw it myself at the show. The hammer-and-sickle, US $ sign, the cross, and major corporate logos like Shell and Mercedes-Benz, the wall hammers (of course), various statements, etc. While inelegant, this is still textbook artistic questioning of symbols *used for oppression* (say, Palestinian plight David mentions in passing, but I'd think their children blowing up is a more pressing issue than debating symbols on a pig) rather than their *original meaning* and other uses. Just today I saw pictures of Church protesters rubbing their junk on my religious symbol that is a couple millennia old. Do they hate me or my faith? Highly doubt it; they have an issue to pick with the Church that I don't necessary agree with but understand. Sorry, David, the ADL was right to err on intellectual honesty and creative expression rather than crying wolf. Roger's father died fighting the Nazis and the former's sorrowful pride in the latter's principles (i.e. giving up his pacifism to fight true antisemitism in its most violent form) is in many ways his emotional core. Roger tears up in interviews saying he wants to fight for those suffering from violence today. This suggests being driven by love, not hate. That David talks about engaging in violence here also doesn't bode well for his case.
Impressive!!! You analyzed it so fabulously. One of the best written comments I've ever read! No vote, no attack but understanding - for BOTH SIDES ... wow! When a person we adore or love, criticizes something that is close to our hearts, it hurts! Nevertheless, it remains the person we love and for this reason he has the right to criticize this too. Here in Germany, a book has been published with the title: Determined by others (Fremdbestimmt) 120 Years of Lies and Deception, by Thorsten Schulte. Schulte does not simply come up with a story about a story: he has intensively studied sources - from original sources, not from translations. Almost 1000 footnotes speak for themselves. (If it were possible, I would send it to David! I am convinced that if he knew these backgrounds, his worldview would be upside down.) www.fremdbestimmt.com/ I wish more people listen so carefully and comment so objectively (like you!) - instead of further splitting. We have to understand: There are no bad countries, there are only bad people! We are a human family! Take care of yourself and stay healthy!!!
But that’s what the song money means on the dark side of the Moon album where it goes to Ching to chain to Ching. He’s talking about how evil and corrupt eight off really was about how it was all about nothing but a war machine.
Take care and be strong David. A lot of people experience negative treatment, cause they are perceieved as different. I used to experience that a lot, growing up, and I know how hurtful it can be. You just have to survive in this world. You are you, no matter what people may think or say.
You really want to know? Here: There's only around 15 million (in math, it's only 0.015 BILLION) judes/jews around the world, while mankind population is already up to 7.2 BILLION worldwide, and most percentage are: Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists. Now you can see that judes population is only 0.208% of all humanity (notice that it's less than one percent, and even less than HALF percent). Any more questions?
We recognizes that Waters is using it as a political statement. But then he just goes to the extreme in claiming that it was because of anti-semitic motivations. I agree with a lot of what draiman says but when it comes to this topic, his bias overshadows his reasons. Not drastically, because he does concede somethings, but still overshadows.
David I’m telling you Roger Waters didn’t do it to insult Israelites he’s a religious English man it’s almost paying homage to all of the dead Jews that were killed in Nazi Germany
Dude, I'm with you. I appreciate your defense of the Jews and of the US Military. While I don't listen to a lot of your type of music, I will buy your albums just to support you. God Bless you and God Bless America!
God loves the Jews so do I ....we only need to read the word of God ..one day we will stand before God and we will give account for how we treat Israel and its people. We are told to pray for the peace of Jerusalem Psalm 122 vs 6 PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM MY THEY PROSPER WHO LOVE YOU. GOD GAVE THE JEWS LAND READ EXODUS 23 VS 31 WHEN GOD GIVES NO MAN CAN TAKE IT AWAY ..GOD BLESS ISRAEL AND GOD HAS COMMANDED HIS BLESSING ON THIS LAND AND TO HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE... NO ONE CAN REVERSE IT... AMEN SO BE IT
It sucks be a German Disturbed fan. I mean I don't support Nazi belief but still I hate it when people blame my people and not just the people that were Nazis or support the belief. Although I have never heard him express it that way I can tell how that is most people think one group does something bad and the entire ethnicity is bad all of a sudden. Although there is little I despise more than the Nazis and Nazi symbolic. So I share very similar feelings. Although I admit the German Nazi subject is a common joking point among my friends (which is usually just used as a way to insult or make me mad). Still I don't like how most people think about the German race.
Es gibt keine "Rasse". Nur Menschen, die in Deutschland wohnen. "Nazi belief" ist halt einfach nur Antisemitismus und das kann Antonia Rodrigez aus dem 2. Stock auch ganz gut.
I love the platform that you're given and how well you perform your conviction and your heart about the situation. You're smooth you're smart you're untouchable. You handled that so good man such a man. The way you hold yourself with confidence and security and wellness I can't not think that the other guy would be intimidated by just the way you stand up for what you believe in and how well you handle it.
1227CGanimated Yet you take sides when you said it hurts to see them conflicted but hope one bows to the other because of an explanation? This statement is very contradictory.
You want to talk shit, lets start with the taking of the Palestinian land, lets talk shit about using american young kids to fight for israel interests in the middle east, how about we talk about we the tax payers of america having to send israel billions in foreign aide every year, when israel it self is a rich country.
when it comes to zionism, there is nothing wrong with supporting your religious identity. If you wan't to speak out against any specific government maybe you should swing the judgemental pendulum towards the Palestinian Hamas government which has been deemed a terrorist organisation and said under no circumstances will they allow the rights of Israel existence under a jewish state.
Yeah, Rogers used to be in Pink Floyd... He hasn't been a member of the band for what, 30 years? Drop the "Pink Floyd's" Roger Waters. He is not representing the band. I won't listen to his music and haven't since he left the band. The Jewish people are God's chosen. I'm a Christian and I believe that.
A man that calls himself "trained to fight" feels proud of havig several broken bones by this and and regrets he can do it no more because of laws... Says waters calls to hate... ok... let me think about it.
Aramaic is a Semitic language as is Arabic. If you go to Ben Shapiro's timelines and you see all of the anti Arabic comments that he made over the years back when they used to not use orwellian language and actually just directly say their intentions were anti-arab; are you aware that Arabs are Semitic people, and anti-semitic is a term that was used in Europe to describe the people who were anti Middle Eastern which is why it applied to Jewish descendants in Europe. Anti-semitism in the Israeli contacts is the name of the game for the Jewish people as well as any Palestinian who dislikes the occupying Army because of the fact that their ethnicity is indigenous to the area
It's not true, antisemitism started in the 18th century that aluamism started, it has nothing to do with languages it is incorrect information. There is no such thing as Semitic languages, there is such a thing as hatred of Jews and everyone can hate Jews.
..but he's not, so he's defending those with whom he identifies. That seems to be human nature. It doesn't mean he has a party when civilians suffer due to territorial wars. I'm sure he's sickened by the suffering of Palestinians, as am I. I'm sickened by the suffering of Israelis as well - and I'm neither Jewish not Islamic, I'm a Catholic from England. I don't want anyone to suffer because of war. I understand how frightened and defensive you'd be if your family tree is missing half a generation from the mid-20th century. The horrifying thing is that it was relatively recent in historical terms. Just 20 years before I was born: building the train tracks and organising the gas chambers. Not one world leader stepping up to advocate for you facing that horror. His is an emotional response and it must be a constant source of horror and fear at the back of his mind: what happens to Jews when political statements against them are expressed. "Israel" is associated with "Safety" in their minds. To me, that's understandable. It doesn't mean he hates Palestinian children anymore than he hates Jewish children.
MASTER YODA That’s where you’re getting it wrong. israel doesn’t give a shit about us. It uses us as a financial host and still keeps our borders open. Don’t you see?
Lawsuits ! Good !!! Make sure you got your facts straight before you "throw yourself" ! And physical altercation WHEN SOMEONE IS PHYSICALLY ALTERCATING ALREADY !!! you can argue your point but physicality is for defense only self or otherwise ! And moving pianos, etc
