David Ellefson Slams 'Abusive' Relationship With Megadeth's Dave Mustaine 

with good reason, it's his name signing the contracts with label, and putting up the money for the records, production, promotion, tour, staff, etc...

@@paulaitix77 well said

Doesn't mean you have to be an asshole.

@@paulaitix77 Megadeth was originally split between Mustaine and Ellefson until Ellefson sued him and lost everything. Back in early 2000s

This whole thing is just stereotypical rockstar bad behavior from a legacy act. It happens all the time and is pretty dumb, in my opinion. I wonder why we almost never hear this amount of bickering from underground metal bands?

The controversy would likely come down to how publishing works. If you add a melodic part to a song they you are part owner and you get more money...which is fine, unless: Either A) Mustaine said "everybody write something cool!" and then forgot, like Ellefson says. B) Mustaine walked in to the studio and saw Ellefson recording a part that he never approved of on HIS song (which is NOT cool) and Ellefson is lying, which Mustaine implied when he said Ellefson tried to poach his song and it pissed him off. C) Little of column A, little of column B and the misunderstanding brought back the feeling to Mustaine of "why did I try to give this guy his percent of the Org after he lost it on me and yelled at me in front of my son, then missed the deadline and THEN tried to sue for the entire value of the Corporation??? (This is covered and documented Mustaine's Autobiography Mustaine.

which one?

@@Vaedh do you even have to ask?

Jeff Young wasn't the only one. Or have you not heard Scott Menzies (former tour manager) talk about the amount of fist fights he used to get into with Chris Poland too?

@@danielalmeida7382 no

Having met MUSTAINE on many occasions, i can tell you, he doesn’t have a sense of humor, he’s very arrogant, and he never forgets a slight, no matter how benign…

I actually love the bass intro to kingmaker. Huge megadeth fan but that album to me wasn’t the best, kingmaker was definitely a bright spot

@@lefthandedfork3337 Yeah, Kingmaker was pretty solid tbh. Super Collider is arguably Megadeth's worst album since their 2004 comeback, but it wasn't entirely a dumpster fire. It had it's moments.

I like it as well. Rather than the song jumping into the riff it gives it a bit of personality rather than it being just another thrash riff.

@@cristianlopez_8486 the system has failed was amazing wtf are you talking about?

@@cristianlopez_8486 A lot better than 90's Megadeth discography. Except for Rust in Peace, of course.

Love Mustaine as a musician. Really dislike him as a person. Met him and he was a total ass to many people and myself that day!

I agree, to be fair he said he didn’t want to talk about him in the interview, but proceeded to give an answer to Eddie’s question

@@lefthandedfork3337 I'm always amazed that people go on and on about him bringing up things and ignore the fact that he was asked about them.

Yea that’s Dave’s weakness. Great musician, but certainly has asshole vibes.

Typically with sexual related scandals there's no opportunity for a second chance, the stigma of what Ellefson did is more detrimental to a public image than someone being a drunk.

Mustaine was right to kick out a person who committed sexual misconduct.

Ellefson sued Dave back in the early 2000. Him rejoining the band in 2011 was his 2nd chance.

@@H.E.M. that's right. And i wonder why people forget about it

@@banahaner648 tbh they could be newer fans or maybe just don’t know at all.

Said it perfect buddy ! Exactly how I feel ! My one hero I don’t ever want to meet !

I can understand where you’re coming from. I joined the army and when I got out I was working a job. Dave Mustaine showed up and I asked for an autograph. It was 1990 and I was kinda depressed because my job sucked. He gave me an autograph and a pick and shook my hand. It was a kind gestures d I never forget that. I met him ten years later at a meet and greet and he shook my hand again. I thought he was actually really cool. So I guess you just never know.

@@robert.m4676 he was working and does that with everyone on tour. He has to.

@@Emcfree2084 it was at a Hilton and he was hungover. And no he doesn’t just have to. There’s been plenty of famous people who shun people they come in contact with out of the blue.

@@robert.m4676 wishful thinking on your part I suspect

It's already happening with Chris Poland and Jeff Young, their doing all the stuff off KIMBABIG and SFSGSW.

@Ace Courage Megadeth band structure: one goddly boss and 3 expendables slaves.

@Ace Courage Right. Megadeth wouldn't exist without Mustaine's crappy vocals. 😆

@@slybee5057 FTFY: One needledick and 3 guys suffering Dave's ego.

dave Mustaine would never allow this he would probeply sue them for copywrite

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I really find it hilarious (but sad) that a guy who sang for years and years about fake-ass religious loons... became a fake-ass religious loon.

@@dogslobbergardens6606 how is mustaine a religious loon?

Religion is the issue. Everyone assumes Salvation has to do with religion. Salvation is the beginning of a relationship with God and is not about religion. Even the devil believes in God. His relationship is a bit strained to say the least. Bottom line none of us truly know what took place between Dave and Dave jr.

Well, for a start Dave Ellefson is supposed to be an ordained priest who happens to be married, and yet there was that video scandal that led to his dismissal, so, what's a married ordained priest doing being caught indulging in a video session with a girl other than the one he's supposed to be married to?, if that's not doing something wrong I'll be a monkey's uncle.

Kerry King turned down Megadeth after playing 5 shows with them, Dimebag Darrell back when he was Diamond Darrell turned down Megadeth because they didn’t want Vinnie Paul

Nah probably not in this case. Perhaps if it wasn't well known for decades that Mustaine is a twat to everyone around him, I could believe that Ellefson maybe exaggerating.

Maybe

The truth likely likes between the two but David comes off as much more credible than Megaego, I mean Dave.

Love the comment but put thumbs down cause I don’t like the situation:(

The current lineup seems great to me. Ellefson contributes nearly nothing musically and he knows it.

Megadeth has always been Dave Mustaine's solo project. Really, why does he even bother with a band name? He should just call it: Mustaine.

exactly!(

Mustaine writes literally all the music and lyrics.....so yeah there was Megadeth and we still have Megadeth.

Can’t disagree.

As awesome as it "was" a long time ago. Dave fell off big time. I know his nut huggers don't want to admit it, but Megadeth haven't been relevant for decades. Looking back it is clear who the problem was and is. Dave could have been huge in anything he did. That's the talent he had. But he is a massive asshole. Just the way it is

He has a Metallica sized chip on his shoulder, for sure. I love megadeth, I try to separate the art from the artist but one comes directly from the other.

Honestly Dave Mustaine builds his confidence out of being an ass but fuck it we still get killer albums from Megadeth while the rest of the Big 4 is just… done.

Great art is an overstatement. The man is a needy pick-me showboating in hopes of outdoing Metallica and he has yet to accomplish that goal even after all these decades. Most people would give up but Dave's ego won't let him.

As guitarist!!! he's the best! as human being, he's not the best!

Well said I agree with you completely. I saw them in 2005 and 2007 I think, both times without Ellefson. I really wanted to see him play in the band. Kind of sad he is not in the band anymore.

Completely agree

We're listening to a band, not one single human being. He was a liability to the band, the press hopped all over his drama and it was going bad. Dave didn't have a choice. It is the BAND. Imagine if they would have dug in as a band and tried to defend him with those weird accusations. TBH I think he's a creep and playing a strange passive aggressive game in the media. If he wanted to move on, he wouldn't be talking about it. He contributed nothing to Megadeth besides being clean at the right moments. Poland and Gar contributed far more to the music that he ever did in all the years he was playing bass. Mustaine has kids lol, how do you think he reacted to all of this? F-ck Ellefson, he's a ghoul. It wasn't trying to bang 18 year olds, it was GROOMING KIDS. The people apologizing for this are twisted weirdos. Lol now he's trying to frame it like he was abused. Gross.

It has always been "The Mustaine Band" from day one! Nothing new there!

its always difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation my wife for 12 years left me, i couldnt just let her go i did all i could to get her back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual adviser who helped me bring her back.

@@jackroyston3263 wow, how did you get a spiritual adviser, and how do i reach her?

@@haynesatteh4463 her name SHELLY RENEE WHITE, you can look her up online, she is the best spiritual adviser she helped out in such a difficult situation.

@@jackroyston3263 Thank you for this valuable information, i just looked her up now online. impressive.

Forget her, they’re all out for the same thing

I bet Mustaine is more than just a cartoon character.

Better?! You're a joke 😂 but I agree with rest, among all musicians ever who were kicked out of the bands, Dave is only one that 40 years later still crying about it, that's pathetic, and simply doesn't care for benefits of it, look what he did with ton of other musicians that played in Megadeth, kicked out, trash talking, Kiko is next, just wait

Better than ‘tallica? Yeah for those who are able to completely ignore atrocious vocals maybe, but even then not really unless you also ignore the first 6 Metallica albums. Cue some NPC rolling out the old “Dave’s vocals fit the music perfectly” cope

@@Emcfree2084 Dave’s vocals fit the music perfectly…

@@phadrus beep boop 🤖

Yep. There's always one common thread, and that's Dave Mustaine himself. Everybody meets an asshole now and then, and everyone sometimes has trouble with coworkers, and everyone gets in an argument once in while... but when almost EVERYONE you meet has a problem with you and you fight ALL the time with almost EVERYONE you've ever worked with for DECADES... there's a damn good chance the asshole is you.

The new Megadeth album kicks ass

@@arm5080 Some of it does. I think We Will Be Back is a killer track, the rest is mostly cheezy but still listenable.

I'm a fan from literally the demos and Mustaine is Mustaine, but I'm starting to raise eyebrows with Jr here...he's using his words in very manipulative ways...to say Mustaine has "some" resentment towards him and not bring up the $22M law suit he brought against Megadeth is totally dishonest. To claim it's all about Metallica is a complete cheap shot...Megadeth has had 25+ members in and out of the band...THIS is the only time that it was about Metallica??? Not to mention this nearly 60 year old guy seems to be totally good trying to get in the pants of a girl 1/3 his age and, for some reason, can not seem to fathom that it hurt the overall Megadeth brand while they were starting a promotional cycle. Even if you don't agree with their conclusions, nobody with any sense would think these are minor things...Ellefson had a chance to do it his way and it never seemed to go anywhere...he's still doing Megadeth tribute stuff. If he's that good a song writer then why does he have so few credits in and out of Megadeth??? I generally think Ellefson is a good guy who has made some BAD choices but this thing of "everything is Mustaine's fault" is so dishonest. If Mustaine was so controlling and wanted no ones input, its kind of odd that 9 of the 12 new songs DO have Dirk and Kiko input and writing credits...

@@ObsidianLife yup. That’s What I said lol

i agree he used this situation whatever it really is to kick him out of the band again

Bingo

Absolutely! These interviewers just aren't putting 2+2 together. No one wants to be associated with a pedophile. And as for his bass parts on Kingmaker, why are they arguing over something that happened 10 years ago on what is perhaps their worst album which they don't play any of the songs from live anymore?

Exactly, Mustaine can be his own worst enemy. I have had several people tell me he was very cool to them as fans. Everyone has good and bad days. It just seems like Mustaine rubs a lot more people the wrong way. No filter says exactly what's on his mind but sometimes that can be a bad thing. Ellefson has always been loyal never badmouthed Mustaine.

ive met him to he is cool dude but he aint gonna say a whole lot to anyones face! but i could be wrong , he small dude but size dont matter took my best as$ whooping from very small guy , very fast guy , i had to take a nap .but to be honest i like hear Ellefson beat the breaks off dave on radio, love ya dave but ya wrong !! WRONG!!

I'm so sorry to hea r that you deserve better I think its proposed eago and or dominance you know its like a marriage or a friend ship

Or a band member making accusations that went even true

@@torimig2151 so true, a band is a family.

Same dude. I had an asshole for a guitarist who told me I couldn't do this and couldn't do that. This interview actually describes my relationship with him. When he fired me I felt like I got kicked out of hell. Only problem is I was the founding member and that asshole just joined. He had no right to fire me. But since the other two are afraid of him they went with his orders.

@@etallikesmetal9826 you let yourself get kicked out of your own band..?

Ellefson had way to many chances and proved he's a piece of shit everytime. He screwed himself. Now he wines about it to get attention....fuck em. Jr is a total asshole. Mustaine even gave him another chance after Jr tried to take the band name from Mustaine.....Mustaine wrote all the songs as obviously is Megadeth. I'm glad Mustaine canned that turd.

Yep

Sponsors could have just said no and ruin any collaboration with anybody that Megadeth could have had. Glad that didnt happen.

@@commisargamerson1666 I mean to be fair, although that video did put the band in a bad light, Ellefson didn't do anything illegal, sure the chick was on the way younger side, but she was still a legal, of age, consenting adult, so I don't see what the big deal is, although I can understand from a business point of view why he was fired...but mustain is salty and bitter and we all know why, and thats why i'll never be a fan of the band, coz mustain can't accept that metallica moved on and made a huge success, its almost as if he forgot why he was fired in the first place...

@@ronaldvanas9492 the picture of ellefson holding his pud is constantly spammed on all of megadeth's social media Mustaine is gonna bad mouth him as much as he can

@@Jakevoss96 Yup. Megadeth is now known now for Ellefson holding his pud and is a laughing stock, in some circles...and people think image doesnt matter.

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He was choking her ?

He was owed money, he's been with mustaine from the very beginning, immediately after Metallica got tired of his violent drunk outburst... When a bunch of alcoholics can't stand an alcoholic that's pretty fkn bad

@@Kikester It's a saying dummy

I think he probably knows Mustaine better than anybody so we have no right to discredit his claims

9 out of the 12 new songs are co-written by Kiko and Dirk…

@@ObsidianLife in the book he's referring to the vibe around the classic lineup reunion discussions and how the dynamic had certainly shifted from what they had been in the 90s to a straight up Mustaine Monarchy. If I had to guess what brought out Dave's grump it would be not being in the room when people were experimenting and the notion that they might be committing without his sayso regardless of how justified that notion is. I'm sure Dirk and Kiko, having come in with a different dynamic were far more diplomatic about their contributions and most certainly didn't have that same baggage or history that Junior did.

@@MaxFeinsteinMusic The original line-up of Mustaine, Ellefson, Gar, and Chris Poland was the closest that Megadeth ever got to being a cohesive band. Ever since that line-up dissolved it's been a hired gun situation, I mean if you read Mustaine's auto-biography it's obvious that Marty never really fit in a "thrash metal" band (great player, but he's a little too, uh, nice, to be in a band with Mustaine) and Mustaine never really gelled with Nick Menza. By the time of Youthanasia that line-up was starting to be strained.

@@ryanjacobson2508 I could not agree more. Gar and Chris were practically unhinged as players and when Jeff and Chuck had to replace them for practical reasons the band began to sound a bit too conventional. You start seeing people get fired for more petty reasons going forward from there.

I saw Ellefson on their reunion tour with them for the RIP 20th anniversary in 2010. It was nothing special really. Other than Dawn Patrol the focus was more on Broderick playing the Tornado of Souls solo properly along with the other Friedman guitar work.

David needs to get bitter and resentful, then start a new band for the sole purpose of upstaging his old bandmates. He can call it MegaDavid Jr and reuse all the riffs he composed while in his old band, but faster. Only he needs to actually succeed at the goal. 🤣

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 😆😆😆

Dave probably taught that doctor everthing he knows about medicine. I don't think the doctor even passed any of his exams because Dave passed 'em all!

@@Omar24Music I mean, that's how Dave tells the story.

I thought his parts were re-recorded exactly the same not rewritten

He had to replace Ger and Chris because that were so high that they couldn't show up to gigs. Was he supposed to keep them?

same thing happen to Annihilator. and why no one bashing to jeff water for oftenly replace the line up

@@yudhayusitraofficial7323 most Annihilator fans do whenever I talk to hardcore fans of them at least

Yup. They are trying to twist words without context at all.

Megadeth....

@@keegansmith7614 if it wasn’t bickering then why are we even being told about it , maybe now one Dave has moved on or so he says

Maggotdeth...

it will never be resolved

@@Patrick_0n 🤣

Fanboy much?

Junior has to make a living He knows the songs and so does Chris Poland The two will be able to draw on the club circuit. I don't think it has as much to do with poking at Mustaine as it does paying the proverbial mortgage.

nor does he need to. Megadizzle was Ellifsons' child too - I don't think he means he's simply done w the music and all he helped to create - he just means he's over dealing w Dave Mustaine and his obviously sour, bitter, angry attitude. I'm not in a band w the guy and I don't even know him - but I'M over dealing w Dave. He's such a downer - disguised from time to time w 'reborn' BS. Transparent as a window pane. Don't tell me you're reborn one minute, then the next minute go back to being the same old jerk

Literally the only thing Ellefson is known for is playing on Megadave records and tours. He doesn't have a whole lot of choice for other ways to make a living. What's he supposed to do, put out a solo record no one would give a shit about? So yeah, he's probably going to be playing in basically a Megadeth tribute band the rest of his life. It's kind of sad, really... hitching yourself to someone else's star for your whole career seldom ends well.

He fact he's off playing Megadeth songs should prove he's moved on, if anything. If he hadn't, he'd be making a Megadeth 2.0, trying to out metal Dave or whatever. He's not. Dude's been extremely gracious about the whole thing... same can't be said about Mustaine.

Idk I’m still a Megadeth even with knowing how inflated Dave Mustaine’s ego is and how much of an asshole he is.

@@JJ-mu9ev You mean you get bored of Dave's showboating to pwn Metallica? Me too.

@@JJ-mu9ev Personally I like SFSGSW and Peace Sells the most of out their catalogue. I agree that both bands have lost their relevance, it's mostly a handful of albums that were released before I was double-digits years old that get my attention. I gotta agree on the manchild aspects and not wanting to stoke that particular ego. Soap opera is a good way to summarize the drama that follows (and leaks from) Dave Mustaine.

@@JJ-mu9ev It's interesting how metal fandom overlaps with people who can't grow up (I'm guilty) and people who are susceptible to weaponized nostalgia. Maybe it's not surprising that terribly immature mindsets and ideologies are more common than in the general public. It doesn't justify any of those issues, it just suggests to anticipate them.

The continuous lineup change is proof of bad management.

But Mustang has released more solid thrash metal albums in general, Metallica from 93 to 2006 was complete garbage, the real reason is simple, James has a better voice and that's why they're more successful, Dave would run loops around them musically sadly he's not a great vocalist

@@michealrosen The voice doesn't always sell more records, or Dio would have the best seller. It's all in the style you like. Mettalica's first three albums started to sell a lot more after 1988 Monster's of Rock tour. I was at the Cotton Bowl watch Kingdom Come leave the stage without much excitement then Metallica came out, and I had seen the crowd of over 107,000 people fist pumping in 100 degree weather being cooled off by firehoses, and that day I knew I had seen the power of Metallica out do every band that day. Don Dokken talks about it sucked to have to go out after Metallica. I still have my And Justice For All concert t-shirt. Then in 1991 The Black Album sold 31 million copies woldwide not counting downloads.

No, it's because Metallica goes for the commercial appeal in their music. It's safe for them. They write the best catchy hooks. And James has a good voice but so does Dave when he's not doing an overly harsh vocal effect. Megadeth has constantly released a higher percentage of thrash albums. Even though both bands each released 4 non thrash albums (mostly metal), Metallica has 11 studio albums and Megadeth has had 16 studio albums all together. That puts things into perspective. Also even though Metallica's last three have been thrash, Death Magnetic was the harder of the three and 72 Seasons is once again there to make the lowest common denominator fan happy. Will the next album not be thrash once again? That's my fear. I hope I'm wrong.

Also thrash isn't as popular as just metal. It's more palatable for the masses. So that's why they sell more albums. Thank God Mustaine doesn't see it that way.

I do see your point, and I feel like in the beginning, when Ellefson was kicked out, he just wanted to not talk shit on Dave and not start drama, but now since Dave just keeps talking trash, Ellefson definitely got bothered by it, and now might be more willing to throw shit Dave’s way too.

exactly (

Yep. Buncha miserable old rich men in their 60s arguing like schoolgirls. It's pathetic, but it happens a lot with successful musicians, actors etc. When people get famous young, often they just never really grow up; they're living in a fake world full of fake people who tell them they're gods all the time, many of whom are constantly trying to rip them off, and they're under bizarre pressures that normal folks can't really understand. It warps people's minds.

Well said brother. The music will secure itself to me the less I know about the ego & narcissism of artist mention I learn about. I wouldn’t put myself in a position to meet any of those artist mentioned so as to insure my love & joy for their music & avoid ever taunting it.

Thats actually not hard to believe as Mustaine spews out whatever shit he wants to say as he thinks he's right all the time

But the guy who cheated on his wife does?

@@phadrus I’m not protecting anybody. Neither guy is a model citizen. They’ve both made some retarded life choices. Only one seems to be getting on their high-horse over it.

Agree

I'm realy like Megadeth but Mustane is terrible person. When everyone who was around him said that, it must be true then. ;)

Helll no dude. I remember the megadeth forums having the coolest and kindest people of any fan group. Dave actually shut the forums down because they kept making light of his behavioral issues towards band mates and crew.

They all voted for Trump too. Mustaine claims he hates Trump as a person but loves his policies. As far back as 2012 Mustaine was calling for a revolution because Obama won the election (Chuck Norris did a television add telling Republicans that voting for Obama would result in an apocalypse of biblical proportions). Dave also claimed that he had the same idea for a border wall as Trump, which is why he claims to have voted for him. Basically Mustaine said the same about Trump as people say about Mustaine when they say "I love his band and guitar playing but hate him as a person". If you hate him as a person, don't support his band. Dave only turned on Trump because it was hurting his image and sales, he's still a Far Right Conservative like Kid Rock and Ted Nugent.

😂

Basically fuck Ted, Kid, Chuck and Dave Mustaine. I don't watch WWE either because fuck Vince & Linda McMahon too.

If you think Dave isn't a christian just because he has character flaws, you've completely missed the point of Christianity.

Prove he’s not a Christian, you can’t. Bwa ha ha.

I think your right, if Dave Mustaine didn't like that intro, it would never have made it to the record

you're spot on actually

Someone said.dave grohl.david lee roth.dave murray.dave elleson and dave mustain need to form a band.MEGADAVE

well. that was 40 years ago. but Dave is still known for being a jerk lol

Agree....but then he was GONE, why reach out and invite him back in?

@@Grodd70 He wasn't invited back in. Re-read what I wrote. I can't get into to many details about it.

@@JM-mv7sv Well everything I have read was the band broke up in 2002, David sues in 2004 and did not rejoin Megadeth till 2010. I also recall reading in Dave's book that the two had not spoken in several years and he had flown out to Phoenix to where Ellefson lived. To quote " We went out to dinner, talked about old times and new opportunities, about wives and friends and kids". That does not sound like it was an immediate sue and back in the band.

Because it's not the 90s anymore. Megadeth just isn't the draw they used to be. Personally I think it sucks that that garbage band even exists at all, I don't really get why anyone likes them at all, but oh well... time marches on and trends change.

Yes, it didn’t make sense to me either. Clearly Ellefson is hurt but it’s his fault.

Yep. Everybody meets an asshole now and then, and everyone sometimes has trouble with coworkers, and everyone gets in an argument once in while... but when almost EVERYONE you meet has a problem with you and you fight ALL the time with almost EVERYONE you've ever worked with for DECADES... there's a damn good chance the asshole is you.

Interesting theory, but that’s it

@@phadrus Interesting well-documented personality trait that can be attested to ever since he was in Metallica. The man's a bitter, resentful needledick.

He has not achieved as much he’s jealous he thinks he’s better than them but they don’t sell as well but obviously more than most bands

Even better, Ellefson doesn't have to hang around Dave Mustaine anymore.

Heck the guy was a big part of the band. He has tried taking the high road. Mustaine is running the man down. I can't blame the guy for voicing his opinion. It's not like Ellefson had came out first. He's been silent. Mustaine is the one who keeps going to the media about Dave.

And the same can be said For "Super " Dave Mustwang

I mean up until Ellefson's recent interview all he's said about the situation was that he was disappointed, but hoped they would work together again at some point. Dave's the one who keeps bringing shit up.

Imagine being married for forty long years through good times and bad, and then suddenly blammo, you're thrown out of the house on your ass, and your ex is talking massive shit about you not just to your friends, but to the whole music media. On top of that, there's a lot of money at stake with Ellefson reportedly legally having been a shareholder in Megadeth Incorporated... that's a real messy "divorce." That's how long those two have been working and touring together, and yeah being in a band really is kind of like a marriage. It's gonna take a while for anyone to just move on and get over it, no matter what they say.

He has the right to give his side of the story before all of this Dave E was respectful but Mustaine just had to open his mouth and talk shit so Dave E has the right to defend himself

Ellefson cheated on his wife. Dude's not innocent at all.

@@thrgg Mustaine, is that you?

@@tonybp No 😏

Lol

Mustaine is the sort of person who could find a way to be annoyed by it if you just handed him a briefcase full of cash and walked away. He's obviously a miserable person. It's honestly really sad, not just for the people he screws over, but also for him. Happy, well-adjusted people don't act like that.

I agree with Mustaine, Ellefson screwed up

Yeah Dave's moved on so well that he forbid them from re-releasing No Life til Leather demo. Still venmously telling people that he asked them to not use his songs and they said ok. They were teenagers and drunk! You expect them to remember that? Mustaine acts like he wrote every single line of every early Metallica track. I read even Cliff Burton grew tired of Mustaine

I want to believe that Dave really does try to move on from the day Metallica fired him, but it's very difficult considering he frequently gets asked about his time in Metallica.

@@KeijiSuwa that's true! However, the way he answers its like he can't wait to spew out his 'they fired me/never got a second chance' response fast enough when asked.

Ah yes, another one who doesn't know what the term means. How is it grooming if she admits to being the one who initiated everything? He could have and should have nipped in the bud, but that doesn't qualify as grooming.

It's not though. Do you play an instrument?

@@KB-di9uu do you? I play your Mums bean professionally. Same riff