David Seymour: Why ACT opposes the co-governance drive | Q+A 2022 

It still doesn't make Donald right:)

But if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck it's a duck. Simply asking questions is not the right argument for this extremely intricate situation. Simply questioning is a tool right wing extremists have been using for decades to foster dissent. Do you know Tucker Carlson, he just cost Fox News US$750 Million by just asking questions? You really do need to refine your arguments if you want to be taken seriously.

Racist, spawn of Hitler, & so many more & we don't get a word in about the subject we are meant to be talking about. It's their way of shutting down the conversion, as they know if this does come to a referendum they're screwed. We should want to be one people working together to get better services for everyone & get this country's instruction back online starting with Marsden Point oil refinery & bitumen plant as we can't fix our road properly without her. Plus, the ferries would always have clean fuel & we would have cheaper fuel as well. They get us breaking up into these small groups, they have won people as our power is when we speak as one voice.

​@@BainesAdamlol 🤡

Nonsense

He’s an atlas muppet paid for by overseas elites

No, it is the result of people in parliament stopping that potential.

So true. Equal opportunity exists. Equal energy does not.

Dam I replied to myself 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@shauntempley9757 how

​@@kingsleytobin2300 Read learn ,but don't exparance.

No. The first nations people agreed to equity not equality. This was intentional.

No Equal partnership, pakeha have no culture or heritage here in Aotearoa.

@@chastautoko7177 Before we got here there were a bunch of savages running around eating each other. Would you prefer that culture, or what you have now, Welfare handouts and KFC?

@@magamike1800 I prefer we just bash you. You pakeha have no culture or heritage here. Your a parasite living off the backs of Maori ya clown. I rather bash yous myself, and have been. I hope I run into you one day you overstayer lol. Hahaha. Jack shit you baldheads can do about it either lol. Loser.

@@magamike1800 why do you losers delete your comments for? lol.

Dead right this Bs has been going on to long minority doesn't rule it is destroying Nz

Why because Labour includes MAORI are being considered at last?😮

@@user-hi6ex5ct7c why do Maori get special treatment?

That would be because they've always been given "special treatment". The vast majority detrimental to their, and the nation as a whole's, wellbeing.

You mean it's unfortunate that Māori have not been completely assimilated? It's unfortunate that Māori are not white?

Well spotted!

If he was truly a leader, he would be discussing electoral integrity, and voter identification. We have zero requirement to produce identification to register to vote or to actually vote in NZ. So they (anyone) can cheat and there is nothing you can do to cross check that. All things considered, this is the only subject we should be discussing, though trying to discus it with David, will see a rapid change in topic.

I agree.David Seymour is a breath of Fresh Air compared with anyone that Nats can put forward.I believe his party will pick up more votes next election. Winston Peters is the other party leader who talks sense on Co Governance & Separatism.

He's the next PM

Maori only 16.5% of your population, yet they want to run your country.

All labor and national doing moving deck chairs around on the titanic luxon don't have any policies like jonn key suck up to marouri

Part Maori descent, from his grandmother I believe.

Tame is a people control nazi

Jack needs to ask some of the more in-depth questions to the other parties and give us balance unbiased news. Sometimes I get the impression he has his own agenda and stops asking the next logical question that would get to the truth as it may often someone in the woke world.

@@Yhf6649 you think he conjures the questions alone? or that he not restricted to the " yes you can" and No you can't" ask that question, sound like you're been watching too much Alison wonderland reruns.

Dave A I agree with you, David Seymour is a great speaker and he makes a lot of good points

Go back to Europe you foreigner, Aotearoa don't need pakeha like you.

@@moniquebode1655 Can you imagine David in a debate with Donald Trump ?.

@@gcb4763 It would be less of a debate and more of a hug fest.

😂😂😂 please nonsense

If Jack would keep his mouth shut and not interrupt when David is explaining something it would assist in informing the public with regards to the question he put to David. I think he was biased against David and did not like it when what he thought was a tricky question he was he was putting to David was so easily answered with a detailed explanation by David.

Jack is a programmed Leftist and does not want to hear what David has to say & doesn’t allow him to do so.

Damn r we watching the same program

Yeah I wasn't too sure about that. I believe it was that Maori will be treated as British citizens or something like that. But also Maori did not cede sovereignty to the crown like David said so they're both wrong

Except they dont, and data interprets it that way. Co governance is an outcome from Te Tiriti, which is an agreement between 2 parties. Race is irrelevant on the basis of the agreement. Or are you saying on this basis a contract between a pakeha and a maori over wages for example is racist even though it’s an a contractual agreement signed in good faith between two parties? 😂 I’d like to hear your contractual experience and expertise on this issue lol

@@hurricane19740 good faith ? Maori have taken 3 simple paragraphs of the treaty and turned them into " war and peace " Maori have claimed all sorts that were never mentioned, greed is the driving force for the elite Maori, how many suburban Maori have received a single cent from settlements, none !! you are being ripped off by your own elite leaders, the world owes Maori nothing.

No your racist.

Because he clearly hasn't read the Treaty, or leastwise understood it. The granting of British citizenship is equality in the eyes of the law created by the ceded sovereignty. Equity is not mentioned anywhere in any version.

Read the Maori version

I would be keen to know the different Maori words or phrases that are used to distinguish between different mutually exclusive forms of equality. What is the Te Reo for equality under the law, equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. Then tell us which one appears in the Treaty. @@hatupaoraolsen-mcgarvey2700

Equity also isn't synonymous with 'democracy' as the interviewer seems to be intimating (in his frequent butting-in)

"if you can claim to be a victim you will be compensated appropriately*" you mean?

Wrong

@@michellenicholls9039 Try coming into the 21st century!

Like Maori did when the white man landed in Aotearoa New Zealand 🇳🇿

Absolutely

@@annedurrer1012 Remember back then, Maori were savages and practiced cannibalism. They were very intimidating and violent towards the colonial visitors. Visitors that had good intentions to help the local people develop and learn how to become good christian folk. Let's all live as one people, and forget this co governance nonsense.

Democracy is such a false white construct

Of course there is if you ascribe to misinformation and shock and awe tactics. He really doesn't know our country history especially with his revisionism that far from correct.

@@stephenlennon7369 can you address the misinformation?

@@stephenlennon7369 Which misinformation? Pleaser provide facts and details and cite your source when your responding.

@@stephenlennon7369 lemon

RU-vid Maori confiscated land, also the east coast raids

Have your say at the election, or this referendum if it goes ahead

right is the new left

You wouldnt know Apartheid if it sat on your face lol

This is classic disingenuous deflection. You know exactly what equity is so don’t conflate it with equality.

You're mistaken. This situation isn't akin to apartheid or the oppression of black people. Instead, it seems to reflect a colonialist agenda, where victims are portrayed as offenders. This pattern is observed globally. The concern is that ACT is leveraging this for political gain, emphasizing inequality that already exists. Māori continue to face challenges, and when they assert themselves, there's pushback. The Treaty of Waitangi, which lacks an expiration date, is often overlooked. Meanwhile, ACT and National appear to favor corporations and landlords, who frequently evade significant tax contributions. Trickle-down economics, in practice, often falls short. Granting more power and tax breaks to corporations and landlords doesn't necessarily translate to better societal prices. If the Treaty of Waitangi is seen through a colonial lens, this could lead to further marginalization of Māori, reinforcing negative stereotypes. Concerns about land confiscation and water rights are valid, given historical precedents. It's important to consider the potential consequences of concentrating power in one entity, which could lead to unchecked oppression and unequal rulings against minority groups

Jack a little lefty and can’t hide his bias

Russia will knock the crown off parliament chairman if it wasn't for the treaty, you can't trust Japan after pearl harbor

It will be incorporated into the new constitution of NZ. The problem with NZers is that they lack historic literacy and don't realize that the TOW ushered in massive immigration into Aotearoa from the UK with their white supremacy ideology that reflected today.

It should be back to the original people of the land and authority and ownership should be honoured

@@chchwoman9960 you would still be able to live here but probably won't have the same entitlements eg healthcare, welfare , education would probably be more user pays system that is where us as tangatawhenua miss out when we need it ,we allow foreigners to come and get emergency surgery and we foot the bill and miss out because funds are used up by non citizen refugees

@@chchwoman9960 no I'm saying it should be prioritized so those that are eligible by first nation indigenous, , to the country should be higher up the eligibility ladder ,as you may know Maori are more times likely to need it more and should be allocated a percentage annually where as migrants and lesser generations would be on a public waiting list , because if you look at statistics moari are more less likely to be granted eligibility than other ethnic groups, the only thing Maori are more likely to receive are incarceration facilities ,are at the bottom of the heap for accommodation education and employment

Guess you're talking about Maori people based on need? Pakeha are fine and dandy they own everything in this country so they don't really need much. And what's white guilt? 🤔

David??? But so true cannot live in the past, an creating racism withhin nz not OK its worse when it's being done by our countries rulers an those in the like, what will it be like for our generations to come?? Its as much a war crime as the so called war crimes, and gone on and on both by pakeha an Maori, it should be outlawed, not likely tho as that's not in the initial plan.

@@stephenlennon7369 so what aboiut bogans and regular blue colar working class people who happen to have european ancestry.. also asians, indians and new NZers?

@@stephenlennon7369 white guilt is the term to describe left wing Europeans who pull down statues and apologize for their culture ..history and western civilization.. and are perpetuating a deconstruction movement accelerate decline of west rather than conserve and celebrate its sucess like other cultures enjoy.

@@stephenlennon7369 rubbish

Pffffft

I agree but in any debate someone must take the alternate view even if he does not believe that it is true.I've never heard of the guy.

They probably want their land back

@Frank Fletcher, which land? The land they sold several times, or the land they have been "full & final" settled for several times? And let's not forget, before colonisation they owned nothing, for it was regularly taken by the next tribal warmonger that happened their way - and that was far from the worst of it. And while on the subject, they didn't even have a name for New Zealand, that was how wide their 'world view' was. As evidenced by the Treaty in 1840, the name 'Aotearoa' for the country simply didn't exist. Yet just another revisionist myth.

A hand full of Maori in the pakeha system means nothing to the general Maori population. Maori should have been the most well to do people if the system was fair. 95 percent of this country is govt and foreign own that generates billions if not trillions Maori get some back in prison. Hospitals benefits child poverty don't know what homeless get. Scraps Just because a few faces are seen in high places but you can't see the lowlys hipocrites I say

Bro keep of the pipe

@@stephenlennon7369 where is equity mentioned then?

@@cringewithit playing with platitudes lack of historic context the equity is in the text in all the articles and in good faith which wasn't upheld and that legacy is reflected today

@Stephen Lennon Yeah because they were Big on Equity in the Victorian Era aye Hahaha

@@southpacific222 there's no equity in modern times.

That's what they said in Nazi Germany before the holocaust started.

Maori language Is constantly transliterated by😮 pakeha to suit. David Seymour's chit is a great example

@taniab3940 lol emojis aren't te-reo.

Daves idea of unity and democracy is where everyone sounds white, dresses white, thinks white and behaves white because its all right.

LOL...zzzz

Exactly! We've heard for years about the Maori arriving on their Waka. They're no more indigenous than anyone else in New Zealand.

@@paperclip612 That's why they want UN status as First Nation people. A fraud if there was ever one.

Exactly

Yes. But they signed a treaty with the crown.

Some are not going to like being reminded of that little fact.

Vote ACT 👍👍👍

YOU GO FOR IT BUT WILL FAIL😂

@@user-hi6ex5ct7c does using all caps make you feel you're right?

If you don't like it you have the choice to return to your own country:)

Buhahaha 😂 😂 😂 buying into far right Act BS scaremongering tactics again 🙄 typical sheeple

Absolutely right, it's set up to create segregation among people, you can't trust anything that is in power it seems, all wanting jabcindas job lol power punters they not about the people that voted them in, not when it's power an money, lol Kings n Queens, actually weren't they all inbred, didn't they crap all over each other to steal what they wanted too, yeah, thought so, filth lies and allies, hmm nothing has changed really, jus guns now not swords

Does your mother know your here,go back to your playstation we don't play games kid

There's no we in us thank democracy

Why not a contract was signed years ago which was dishonest was never honoured it's like if you're employer was to breach contact and you took them to court and sue them

Winston put this current racist authoritarian mob in power in the first place.. he cannot be trusted ever again

You can never trust Winston he’s a snake that is in it for Winston, he will turn on a dime to suit himself , no morals

They will never win unfortunately.😢

National have already said he will not work with Winstone, so better pick someone that will and hope they win the election.

It's just politicking mate. Voters will decide. If act and national don't have a majority and nz first is in parliament, they will have no choice to work with him. It's just political talk because he's rising In the polls and they are getting afraid!

Yes, but they also have other rights.

They are afraid

That's the issue with the treaty. The Maori version is very different. It meaning is more towards equity.

It also says Maori can retain what is theirs.

I don't see Maori fsvourtism Just a govt designed process that looks like Maori are getting something like Maori trust boards that doesn't distribute to the victims and the govt don't care. Your being deceived and need to look where the lowlys are.. Govt and foreigners gave taken more than 95% land from Maori. Govt and foreign ers Responsible for bringing and educating alcohol drugs and other crimes how many Maori shop owners sell alcohol The Treaty is an absolute fraud and bullshit document nothing sacred about it. There only thing in that document that mentions God is Tino Rangatiratanga which none of the politician can interpret ate the meaning.

@@barneyboy2008 Yes. Article 2 specifically stated that, and also stated equality. The thing is Seymour here ignores what that article states. Co governance is pretty much meeting Article 2, and the first attempt in NZ's history to do so. Article 3, however, covers the people that will come to live here, in addition to Maori.

@@dillianwhyte443 Bullshit

Quite right.

Except JA said people getting released within a certain time frame could vote.

@@christinestorey7428 going back in time. We lived by rules. Over time, the rules, became laws. If you broke the law, you were called an outlaw. And banished, from the community for a period of time. If you survived, you were allowed back into the community. Banishment, has been replaced, by prison. As you have become an outlaw. With no rights. So it is wrong for some idiot, to decide, that some outlaw, is not as bad as another outlaw. They are all the same, until they have completed their sentence.

How Many schools did you attend? And Where did you live growing up?

All the govt services were on confiscated Maori land. Public works act is a thief No Maori land should have ever been sold or taken. Partnership would have been acceptable without taking the land by lease agreement only and Maori wouldn't be in the gutter. In hastings a Chinese garden chained hid son the garden to work and those foreigners didn't come here penniless the Asians own forestry that's come back to bite the people in the arse The wsirua of this country chose Maori and that's where Maori should go back to not follow the govt and foreigners who can't stay in their own corrupt country.

well said

One thing to keep in mind is that the immigrants that are allowed to live here usually have to meet certain criteria to do so, one of which is to earn over a certain threshold of money and/or have skills that are in demand. Or be a refugee, but those are of a limited number, and then are family, etc, but the bulk of permanent immigrants are skilled people. So basically the immigrants that live here are to cream of the crop, whereas Maori in New Zealand include all levels of ability and expertise, so that does skew things a bit. We don't get many cleaners, and call centre staff from Third World countries getting residency, for example, mostly the skilled people that are in demand such as nurses, doctors, engineers, ag/hort workers, now hospitality workers, etc

U nailed it

Yeah lets be all one people...lets all be white....l can here the violins playing lol

South Pacific, your comment is brilliant and hits the nail right on the head! I would love for you to write a book

You have my republican vote!

So why did the Queen apologize to Maori publicly,(colonists is another word for thieves

@Fiona McGauley Yes Queen Elizabeth apologised not Queen Victoria. As I said Queen Victoria never would of allowed sovereignty or self determination to Maori to be written in a contract . The Maori signed an agreement to be treated the same as the settlers, there's No way she would of agreed to anything else. And as I said my Irish ancestors had their land taken, most Irish/British who came to Nz came here to escape classism and poverty.

@@southpacific222 rubbish, read the history, oh forgot, colonist make thie history to suit themselves, Elizabeth opologised on behalf of Victoria, our ancestors went to visit Victoria the treaty is real so stop BS everyone

New Zealand has moved forward from 180 years ago, and taking a 180 year old founding document to it's literal extreme serves no one, and just creates division not heals it

Incorrect there are many full blood Māori still alive. I’m related to many though I am not full Māori myself. Oriini Kaipara, a well known TV broadcaster is also full Māori. My grandparents birth certs recognise them as full blood Māori (back when birth certs used to say that stuff) making my mother also full blood Māori. This is just two examples among many.

I'm part Maori, I have British Ancestry as we as Maori, I'm already doing some research on my family tree, the Maori side, the English side I'm still researching.

One drop of Maori blood is all you need to whakapapa back to your full blooded tupuna and tupuna wsirua Tane. If you don't accept your other blood type because the culture don't appeal or the characteristic nature isn't your style that's OK Using mathematics in whakapapa is a weak and degrading tactic like saying we've flushed the Maori system down the toilet.

woke woke woke

Everyone finds their own equity it's there, don't blame those who have, for what you aren't prepared to do for yourself.

Yeah because the kids of beneficiaries are the only bad kids lol