Day 9 - Robert Costanza: Overcoming our societal addiction to growth 

We're gonna have to learn to party like it's 1799.

@@coolworx Forget party....we heading to doomsday parade!

It's our societal addiction to capıtalısm that we must overcome. That is the root of clımate change. #CompostTheRich

Our Hunter-Gatherer ancestors were integrated into their ecosystem, but have become nearly totally alienated as our numbers have grown by 3,000 times over just 10kyrs. Want proof of our long evolved connection to nature? Our stress system works as a population density regulator and has been well studied for over 70yrs. Want details? Stress R Us, a free PDF online. We have a fundamental physiological constraint, as well as ecological constraints. Stress R Us

Considering we've decided the meaning of life is to stare into a screen, I'd say that's about right.

...heavy burden on him or all over all of us i would say

Truth!

We keep leaving out one word that's the actual root of our problems: capıtalısm.

The decline of religion is correlated with the rise of materialism. People of faith have resources in their philosophy which, if drawn upon, can overcome selfishness and acquisitiveness and the many evils associated with endless and blinkered growth.

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You summarized the problem perfectly.

If only…

"Everything would be okay..." No. And get over the ifs and buts ....

Yes, the problem is human nature and that was forged through millions of years of evolution, with refined details put into place during the past few hundred thousand years. How do you change that? We are social creatures so culture helps shape us and can lead to change, but biology forms firm bedrock contours. I think it will take several collapses for necessary changes to occur to give us a sustainable nature - best case. Alternatively, we may fail as a species but create AI-Robotics that blossom during a New Cambrian explosion. In retrospect, this may be viewed as our ultimate purpose. In any case, it is hard to feel guilt while simply expressing your nature. How much free will do we even have?

@@dwen5065 extinction is coming for the human species and that is the dead end for all the technology anyone might dream about.

- I resonate with your question.

It's easier to die than not to die?.... 🤔 I imagine many deeply depressed people feel that way, if you do, It's ok to not be ok, get help x

@@jamesgrover2005 Mass-death is not implicit in a planned, just, collapse. And, I'm fine. Thanks for asking.

Correct. The end of the world is more believable than the west seeing the end of capitalism

No, but listening to Robert Costanza got me feeling that way too, then I remembered we can build this Ark. Technology is the indirect cause of climate change. We need a new Global Economic Model GEM that supports a new definition of profit, and this 'profit' definition must map well with nature's economy. In nature, we have been paid in full, in advance, and our job is to gain sustenance without going into Overshoot. I recommend this definition: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for our Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides to all of us. Clearly, this definition of profit does require a new GEM. The central part of the new Global Economic Model should be the EPA. EPA members will vote on the best 'Profit' definition that states sustenance is our only actual 'gain' without which we can't live, and states that the environment is our only source of sustenance. As the central hub of the new GEM, EPA members will establish, by vote, all directives related to both, the GEM and climate rescue strategies. Here are just some rough ideas of what the EPA directives might be: 1.) Population: Initially we need a one child per family directive. 2.) In place of income, jobs would have an 'equivalency rating'. Some jobs are still more important and more difficult than others. 3.) All equivalency ratings will increase at the same time if and when the environment becomes healthier. The lowest EquivRate must still be livable. 4.) Everyone who can work will be able, and required, to get jobs. No more expenses, so no more cutting jobs to reduce expenses; thus, virtually no more homelessness. 5.) No manufacturing of useless and unnecessary products. All products will be scrutinized by various rating methods. 6.) Whenever possible products should last a lifetime and or be easily upgradable, so we don't buy the same products repeatedly. 7.) EPA will direct "Work Force Flow". Example: Shoe manufacturer will produce 100yearLife shoes for 3 years, then reduce output to about 1/10 of full capacity, and the majority of shoe employees will be shifted to other work assignments by the EPA. Employees still keep their EquivRate in-between jobs. I know that this is just a rough outline of what we must do, but it's a good starting point. This is our Ark. Please help build it! Questions, suggestions and any comments for or against this idea will be very deeply appreciated. Thank you! 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖

You had correct yourself if you run drugs guns turn blind eye to child satanic abuse, there is no excuse.

Include twin murder especially when 5 weeks old

5 weeks old in the uterus

I was not here for impermanence

The name you need is Lindsay Euan Morven Fiona I was told the father Earl of Lindsay

I think you've missed the many points he made that aren't remotely dictated by the obsolete definition of progress as growth of GDP. He doesn't "distill the topic down" to US dollars, but uses dollars and the false measures of GDP to give a commonly understandable metric to the absolute inadequacy and destructiveness of the traditional metrics of progress. Sorry to see your're missing out on the brilliant critique he's put together.

Yes yes yeeees! Who's this WE they are all calling for? Come on.....8 billion and counting. Any given moment it takes only one of us f'ers to rain on the most prrfect parade of acting! For instance. To give just 1 reason why acting is to go in circles. What you probably do need, is to stop. Just stop - it'll be fine.

Many other countries don’t possess the infrastructure to even utilize oil but that’s an important aspect you’ve raised that not every country has even benefited during arguably the biggest energy rush our species has seen🙏👍

We can only get there by abolıshıng capıtalısm.

Learning and practicing permaculture.