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Daytime Lunar Astrophotography - IR Cut vs IR Pass Filter Comparison 

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Is it worth buying an IR Pass filter for imaging? Here we compare the Baader UV/IR-Cut Filter and the Astronomik ProPlanet 642 IR-Pass Filter for Daytime Lunar Imaging
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@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Hey folks! I didn't want to distract or sway anyone by talking over the video as I feel it's good to make up your own mind based on what you're seeing, plus it's probably better for non English speakers. Having said this, here's some information for anyone wanting to find out more about the filters used during this test. Baader UV/IR-Cut Filter The Baader UV/IR-Cut filter is designed to block ultraviolet (UV) and infrared (IR) light, allowing only visible light to pass through. This filter is commonly used to: Reduce chromatic aberration. Enhance image sharpness and contrast. Prevent sensor blooming by blocking unwanted UV and IR wavelengths. Astronomik ProPlanet 642 IR-Pass Filter The Astronomik ProPlanet 642 IR-Pass filter, on the other hand, is designed to transmit infrared light beyond 642 nm while blocking visible and UV light. This filter is specifically tailored for: Improving contrast and detail in lunar and planetary imaging. Reducing the impact of atmospheric turbulence, which is more pronounced in visible light. Providing better performance in poor seeing conditions. Both the Baader UV/IR-Cut filter and the Astronomik ProPlanet 642 IR-Pass filter have their unique strengths. The Baader UV/IR-Cut filter is excellent for improving sharpness and contrast by blocking unwanted UV and IR light. In contrast, the Astronomik ProPlanet 642 IR-Pass filter excels in reducing atmospheric turbulence effects and enhancing image detail by utilizing infrared light, making it particularly advantageous for daytime lunar imaging. The choice between these filters will depend on the specific imaging conditions and desired outcomes for daytime lunar photography.
@Youtuber-ku4nk
@Youtuber-ku4nk 4 месяца назад
Do either of those filters help increasing contrast for visual? Specifically watching the moon.
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
@@RU-vidr-ku4nk Neither are designed for visual, sorry. Consider something like the Moon and Skyglow filter: www.firstlightoptics.com/baader-filters/baader-neodymium-moon-skyglow-filter/ref/astrolavista/
@KevinRudd-w8s
@KevinRudd-w8s 4 месяца назад
Both have given a decent image but I think the IR pass filter has given the better result.
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
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@wesleydonnelly2141
@wesleydonnelly2141 4 месяца назад
wow I never realised just how much improvement is possible when using the IR pass filter. Definitely going to try it myself, thanks!
@astronome66
@astronome66 4 месяца назад
P.S. I love daytime lunar observing too 😊
@Dbentzjr
@Dbentzjr 4 месяца назад
For giggles, I recently pointed my Dwarf II at a patch of blue sky during the day and I actually got an image with black dots. I inverted that image with post processing and realized they were stars. The downside to this is that during the day, there is currently no way to calibrate this machine or others like it to track objects in the sky during the daylight hours. Im sure that not many people would be trying to view deep space objects during the day anyhow, but Im the weirdo for trying. It would be possible to SEE some stuff during the day, but with extended time, and exposure, the image would become blurry with trails very quickly. I hope this tech improves as time goes on so we can learn more about space around us. Your setup is awesome!!!
@GalaxyArtMedia
@GalaxyArtMedia 4 месяца назад
Hi Chris Nice test, however to get the best from the Ir Pass filter you need to use a mono camera, then the real magic happends
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Hey Loan, I hope you're well mate :) Thanks! I'd like another mono camera for Solar/Lunar at some point. I guess at least the ASI462mc is super sensitive in the IR, plus the Bayer matrix is near invisible at IR wavelength. A colour vs mono camera with IR Pass video would be interesting.
@GalaxyArtMedia
@GalaxyArtMedia 4 месяца назад
@@Astrolavista Hi Chris. Been busy upgrading my astrophotograph setup and making new reviews. I tested only once an itr pass with color camera and i think i lost like 5 stops of light compared with mono, you can try use a a mono camera for both comparisons, since for the moon you do not realy need color, mono is fine, from my experience i would not bother with color even if the camera would be mroe sensitive in ir, still is not able to get same signal as the mono cam, and with this ir pass filters they cut also a lot of light, even with mono largter aperture is recomended
@supermario8416
@supermario8416 3 месяца назад
A suggestion for a future video, if you think it’s interesting: the effective aperture and light gathering capacity of reflector telescope. On the internet forums it’s a highly debated topic but almost no youtuber talks about it. A lot of people do not know that the effective aperture of a reflector is lower than the theoretical one and also that the light gathering capacity of a reflector is lower than in theory because of the central obstruction and low light reflectivity of usually just 88-92% of the mirrors.
@ziggyfrnds
@ziggyfrnds 4 месяца назад
Brilliant! Tha ks for sharing mate.
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Cheers mate! Thank you for your support, means a lot! : )
@whatmattersmost6725
@whatmattersmost6725 4 месяца назад
FYI there is an Svbony filter, "SVBONY SV183 Telescope Filter, IR Pass Filter, 2 Inch 685nm Reduce The Effects of Seeing for Planetary Photography Contrast Enhancement"
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Cool!
@mazyar_
@mazyar_ 4 месяца назад
Hi Chris, IR pass is my choice. It would be curious if you would consider repeating the same comparison on the sun with a white light filter (WLF) installed on the front of the scope; (1) WLF vs (2) WLF + IR Cut vs (3) WLF + IR Pass. Very nice comparison vid, cheers.
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Hi, well I was planning on making up a Solar filter for the Tak (I have some spare Baader film), so maybe yeah.
@astronome66
@astronome66 4 месяца назад
Interesting comparison. I don't really care for rosy hue of the IR Pass when you were capturing the video, but once processed, it sure results in an impressive image. Not sure which I prefer as an end product. Based on how it looked on my screen, I'd be tempted to adjust the levels on the IR Cut image to cut back the brightness a bit, but either one really shows how sweet that FC100dc is 👏
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Hey thanks! Love the Tak :) I agree about the red cast; not ideal for live captures or visual work.
@Tony-Elliott
@Tony-Elliott 4 месяца назад
Hi Chris great video mate I think the IR pass images looks do much clearer , thanks for taking the time to make these video mate
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Thanks mate! I noticed the Moon out during the day and thought ooh I know what I can test :D
@MM0IMC
@MM0IMC 4 месяца назад
Amazing! 😮
@krakencoffeeroasters3727
@krakencoffeeroasters3727 2 месяца назад
I had a Pentax k-01 (mirrorless) modified to full spectrum. You've inspired me to see what I get with that on daytime lunar. Thx!
@Youtuber-ku4nk
@Youtuber-ku4nk 3 месяца назад
IR pass, does that mean only IR and no visible light? Imean would the IR pass filter have any benefits for visual viewing?
@dumpydalekobservatory
@dumpydalekobservatory 4 месяца назад
Definitely the Ir pass filter has it, much better contrast the UV IR cut filter looked washed out in comparison
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Hey mate! : )
@dumpydalekobservatory
@dumpydalekobservatory 4 месяца назад
Ey up Chris hope you're well?
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
@@dumpydalekobservatory Good thanks, just the ever increasing list of things that need doing lol
@3dfxvoodoocards6
@3dfxvoodoocards6 4 месяца назад
Like
@AmatureAstronomer
@AmatureAstronomer 4 месяца назад
Nice.
@tellurian2263
@tellurian2263 4 месяца назад
@AstroLaVista: Thanks for the comparison. To make it more realistic, I think it would be better if you also postprocessed the images by at least adjusting the contrast and colour-balance. Right now you essentially show what you get out of camera, which is fine, but it would also be interesting to see what the end result could be for the two filters. E.g., I am sure you would drastically improve you IR-pass image by changing the black point so it doesn't look so washed out. Also, using a gray scale for the moon under day conditions makes sense since you are not coing to reveal any intrinsic colours of the moon. Depending on how acromatic you telescope is, you could also gain some resolution by using a narrower filter, say green. Although in the end I agree with you that the IR pass is probably best for daytime because of the increased contrast, even at the price of a larger diffraction limit.
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Hey did you watch the video? I of course showed processed images side by side as well as the live captures.
@tellurian2263
@tellurian2263 4 месяца назад
@@Astrolavista Yes, I saw your video, and that is why I suggested you postprocess the images you present by also adjusting the contrast and the colour balance, which you obviously did not do since the shadows of the craters are bright blue rather than dark gray/black in the IR-block version. As I said, there is nothing wrong in showing the images like you did, but I think it would be a more fair comparison to also present each capture in the best possible way by also adjusting said contrast and colour. Apart from making the images look better, perhaps the difference between the IR-block and IR-pass would be smaller. Or not. Would in any case be interesting to see, I think.
@ronm6585
@ronm6585 4 месяца назад
Looks good. Thanks for sharing.
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
Thanks Ron
@aroxchannel
@aroxchannel 4 месяца назад
Curious why the background sky using your IR pass filter is not jet black. I use a Baader 685nm IR pass (should be more or less identical to yours) with a 180mm Mak and the sky is absolutlely black when I shoot the moon during the day.
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
That's interesting. Maybe the extra 43nm makes the difference, or it's to do with the brightness level caused by the scopes and in software?
@aroxchannel
@aroxchannel 4 месяца назад
@@Astrolavista Unsure. Maybe your local light pollution contains more red light than mine, as you might get from an airfield or a group of taller buildings with red aircraft warning lights?
@Astrolavista
@Astrolavista 4 месяца назад
@@aroxchannel Just LED street lights around here, no airports / airfields. No buildings taller than 3 story houses for a few miles as I live in the suburbs.
@aroxchannel
@aroxchannel 4 месяца назад
@@Astrolavista Weird. The signal from the background daytime sky should be close to zero through that filter!
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