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DC controllers and how good are they for model trains railway 

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I forgot to mention that I actually use 7 PWM DC controllers and 7 voltage controlled DC controllers. DC controllers and how good are they for a model train railways. A quick look at just what can be done with them. Old style DC controllers have the advantage of quieter engines, cooler motor running so less wear, but the controllers are warmer, which is what H & M are large and metal. This means pulling long trains at speed they are better which is why I went for H & M rather tan DCC. Disadvantage is stuttering at slow speed. Modern DC and DCC controllers heat the loco motors far more because they are pulse width modulated rather than voltage modulated.
Go to modelrailmusin... for a better understanding.
Enjoy, kind regards
Philip

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@remmington-allumvidoes7266
@remmington-allumvidoes7266 9 месяцев назад
I agree. I have a large DC collection of older Hornby / Lima, and to convert to DCC is simply far too expensive. I really like your loft layout. Well-done.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
I have been given one third of my locos because they are not DCC compatible.
@AllensTrains
@AllensTrains 9 месяцев назад
I have got a Duette, and it has served me for many years. And doubtless will serve me until the end of my days! A useful DC controller for videoing is the Hornby Radio Control originally supplied as part of the Thomas range. With one hand on the camera, and the in remote control in your other hand, videoing is easy! Thanks for uploading.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
The Duettes do seem to be indestructable.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 8 месяцев назад
You are welcome. They seem to be so robust.
@Demun1649
@Demun1649 9 месяцев назад
I use DC PWM, with one controller being my favourite one. Home-built PWM PCB, with adjustable time for the reversing of trains in stations. I do have hand-held DC PWM controllers that do work well. T-Gauge needs PWM to control the slow-speed running, the 1st generation trains, with 1st G controllers, were a nightmare to run at scale speeds. But it is fun to experiment. Especially if proven to be correct!. Your layout really comes to life when running all those long trains. But I get nervous when the "Nose" is contra to the lines on either side, it looks so close. Great video.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
Thankyou. I have 7 PWM DC controllers, I think I will put that in the blurb with the video. Its something I may have left out, thanks, Philip
@Demun1649
@Demun1649 9 месяцев назад
@@model.train.railway. I have used DCC controllers when I "did" OO, and I always found they ran hotter than DC, especially with long trains. Now I have a 16-car train, that runs all day long, on PWM DC, and just gets warm. Yes, it is T, but we don't use the heavy, "industrial, in our terms", controllers used in the larger scales. And as to using the little piggies to adjust speeds, we definitely can't do that. That is why model railways are just so fascinating. Do you ever watch the PILENTUM channel? There is a Patagonia layout that is gobsmackingly fantastic. The detail is world-beating, and the dapple-grey horse is the very best, most accurate horse I have ever seen modelled.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
Interesting. It must be so nice to have such long trains. I almost went for N scale just to do that. I will have a look at Pilentum
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 8 месяцев назад
It does look lovely
@monsvillerailways5736
@monsvillerailways5736 9 месяцев назад
Good stuff. I use an H&M Duette and a Tri-ang P5A for the 3 circuits on my main layout. Old Tri-ang engines need old controllers. I have a GM Combo on my Series 3 layout but I think a P5A would be better suited. I have a P5A on my Tri-ang TT layout that works a treat. Stay safe and happy modelling Mon
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
Thats a good point I forgot about. 60% of my locos are old ones and will not support DCC. I guess thats why they are cheaper on ebay.
@mewsdo
@mewsdo 9 месяцев назад
Really interesting info on controllers. Plus great toe technique. I'm an organist, by the way.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
It does a little time to get any good at it.
@andrewbrunton8664
@andrewbrunton8664 9 месяцев назад
I ran DCC for a year. Got very expensive replacing burnt out decoders. Couldn't justify the expense. I've had more fun running DC ever since.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
I am glad you told me that. I often run 18 trains at a time for 30 minutes. I rarely have motor failures. I have been tempted to go DCC.
@glennfryer1539
@glennfryer1539 9 месяцев назад
Beautiful layout, must get back into hobby...
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
Thankyou. Definately a must, there's something nice about even a few trains whizzing around in circles, kind regards, Philip
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 8 месяцев назад
For sure you must
@crwoodford
@crwoodford 4 месяца назад
Great advert for DC. I started making a OO layout during lockdown, it still is not finished!. Anyway, I have 4 loops and control the loops with 2 X Duette's, perfect!! Not sure about controlling them with my foot tho!! Well done. IMHO... DCC lets you cut down on the number of controllers, but where is the fun in that!!
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 4 месяца назад
Rather than bending down all of the time, one gets adapt at accurate foot control. I can control 13 tracks all at the dame time. DCC works well with less trains running.
@crwoodford
@crwoodford 4 месяца назад
@@model.train.railway. Fantastic... great advert for DC controllers... I subscribed BTW 🙂
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 4 месяца назад
I am going to a video on this soon
@alastairwilson457
@alastairwilson457 9 месяцев назад
Great video and impressive toe control !
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
Thanks. It does take plenty of practice.
@OOElectronics
@OOElectronics 9 месяцев назад
I find DC PWM to be good; usually about 150Hz. Good slow speed performance, not very noisy and never had any heat issues with the motors.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
I only rely on what I have read. I think that motors are very robust and almost no-one runs motors near to the limit, so as you said, there should not be a problem. Usually electric motors can tun at high output for long periods of time as long as the heat is disapated. Philip
@shedhead00
@shedhead00 9 месяцев назад
Definitely, running trains is fun, good video on the different ways that controller's work
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
Thankyou, I thought it would be nice to see something different, kind regards, Philip
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 8 месяцев назад
Foot control is not as accurate, but still works
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
What fun it was to make this video
@stephenpike3147
@stephenpike3147 9 месяцев назад
Foot control, well that is a first I have heard for a railway - and why not if it works so well for you. Sure single phase ac to dc rectification (as your Duettes) produces nasty ac ripple on the motor armature that in turn produces ac current that heats up directly the armature and in turn the rest of the motor ( not uncommon for form factors around 1.6, pure dc operation would give a form factor = 1)). It’s worse if use half wave rectification too. Motor most vulnerable at low speed when with any motor that is naturally ventilated and draws an appreciable current which produces heat. Does it burn out the motor? In theory it might, but for my fleet (younger days was on a H & M, now DCC in later years includes testing and running, including crawl tests in dc before I fit my dcc chips I never have had a problem and it seems that’s most peoples experiences. With the lack of any motor technical data supplied by the manufacturers in our hobby you have no option but to go with and hope they work for your intended use I.e. manufacturers have optimized/ got it right.. For industrial drives and motors the data is available - if a motor can’t hack the ac ripple current we would add extra series inductance to reduce and improve the form factor to a level acceptable to the motor manufacturer. PWM - again still vulnerable to low speed high current armature heating - again our hobby motors seem to cope and they can smooth out/ minimize the ac ripple in the controller by adding capacitors to the dc link to give almost a constant source voltage. The motors “smooth”performance is dependent on its armature inductance and the switching frequency - ideally you want continuous current (middle trace at 50% to 100%) which gives smooth motor torque. And not discontinuous current ( middle trace below 50%) which gives torque pulsations. You can get mechanical resonances which you will refer to often as a noisy motor. Think of it of a mismatch motor to the dc controller. The solution to that is to change slightly the switching frequency so you no longer excite that resonance frequency - in ac drives it’s done by a feature known as “skip frequency” . Hope this helps ,all the best Stephen
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
What I originally read appears to be a bit outdated and not dcc is using a higher frequency these days which is preventing motors overheating. Someone did tell me that in T scale burnt out motors is far common and someone told me that he gave up with DCC, You are far more knowledeable than me on this topic. It nice to hear from you. Philip
@stephenpike3147
@stephenpike3147 8 месяцев назад
@@model.train.railway. Hi Philip - interesting about the TT scale, wonder how they get on in N, always learning in this game! If a motor (field) magnet starts to lose its magnetism you get a lower back emf for a given rpm, so for the same applied voltage get more current. As armature losses are the current squared is easy to burn out if not careful. That could be another failure mechanism. When I got my 50+ years old child hood engines out they would only manage about 1/3 rd speed, so had to immediately re-magnetise and all was well! All the best Stephen
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 8 месяцев назад
I am afraid with my skill level, I have just ended up buying a new motor. I have bought 2 Pendolino motors, but that is not surprising how long and fast I run them for, and 2 for my Mallard, kind regards philip
@michaeldavies9600
@michaeldavies9600 9 месяцев назад
Good Morning to you i enjoyed that thank you and i loved the foot control :) I too only run DC or as the kids call it Dinosaur Control! There is nothing wrong with it and it enables me to buy cheaper locos and engines like Lima.I use Gaugemaster controllers.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 9 месяцев назад
About 60% of my locos are old ones and will not support DCC. I guess thats why they are cheaper on ebay. I can but more rolling stock.
@model.train.railway.
@model.train.railway. 8 месяцев назад
Gaugemaster are good solid and reliable
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