DC Has A Harley Quinn PROBLEM... 

They HATE Nightwing

Too much Harley Quinn, not enough Wonder Woman.

They want Harley to be DC’s Deadpool so badly, but it never works. Just stop

any universe where Jason todd is on thin ice with the batfam but harley quinn gets welcomed in loses me immediately.

I still don't get how Harley's more popular than my girl Zatanna.

I hate that she joins the bat family. It’s so weird imo. Shes a terrible person that was complicit in so many crimes along side joker but DC acts like she is innocent and never did anything wrong. She is way too oversaturated in media. Don’t get me wrong i like Harley Quinn but it’s too much.

What’s super weird is the hypocrisy around her character. She can never be seen as “The Joker’s girlfriend” because that’s degrading and romanticises abusive relationships…but she can be celebrated and marketed as “Poison Ivy’s girlfriend” (who in turn has been reduced to nothing but Harley’s girlfriend) despite the fact that relationship also started out as very manipulative.

Honestly, harley has gotten off way too easy. She has done unredeemable stuff. Just because she has trauma, that doesn't mean she gets a pass for doing terrible stuff.

Harley helped the joker torture jason todd for a whole year, and knew joker was gonna kill children and sow the bodies together for a joke on the parents so the kids would be returned in "one piece" then shes supposed to be a good guy in suicide squad?

She’s been so flanderized. They removed so much of the tragedy behind her, and that’s why I really liked the 3-issue miniseries Harleen: because it remembered that she’s not just a quirky character for the masses.

I genuinely just don't find her interesting by her self. The whole joining the Batfamily thing too is weird. Like everytime Joker killed someone, she was right there too. There's gotta be a limit, bro. She's reformed? Fine. But she can't hang around us. Also, that Nightwing SA scene is inexcusable. Never would be accepted with the genders flipped.

If they wanted a DC equivalent of Deadpool they should have used Lobo.

DC made a Harley cartoon before a Wonder Woman animated series…. And no DC super hero girls doesn’t count

I hate how she is some sort of anti hero that was a victim of joker. She had free will she actively participated in his insanity she is GUILTY.

I feel so bad for Nightwing fans,He gets killed by harley quinn, embarrassed in that batman and Harley Quinn film, loses to harley in the arkham games and Get’s kidnapped by penguin.

i think the real reason suicide squad is being pushed so much is DC think the squad is the answer or equivelent to the Guardians of the Galaxy.

One of main problens is they seem to put all the blame on the joker and not harkey herself. She was always crazy, the joker got her to bring her craziness to the outside and not have to hide it anymore.

Why is it that they don't want to acknowledge the shit Harley has done, Suicide squad game just skips over it, birds of prey just had her break up w Joker and everythings fine and dandy... Like bro have her face her demons first.

I like Harley Quinn, but I do feel like they’re trying too hard to push her as a “meta-funny character” and often they excuse the horrible things she does by saying “she is an antihero”. Honestly, my favorite version of Harley Quinn (outside of the animated series because that’s a classic) is probably the injustice version. That one actually had Harley go through a legitimate redemption arc and the fact that she used to be a terrible person is acknowledged but she is actively trying to make up for it.

There's this weird obsession in portraying Batman in being killed or humiliated. Gotham Knights Batman "died" and now this. Catwoman leaves him at the altar. Lucius Fox basically takes his money. The Bat Family leaves him. Alfred dies. These Hollywood types must really hate characters that millions of people look up to.

It’s crazy how Harley Quinn had more screen time then WW, Batman and superman in the dceu

The problem is when you overemphasize a minor character and try to make them grander than they actually are. Harley Quinn shouldn’t be able to take on Nightwing or Batman. She’s Harley Quinn not the Joker. Not every character needs to be this secret badass who is actually really, really powerful and has a heart of gold. She’s a crazy person who has an obsession with clowns. That’s what makes her Harley Quinn. And she’s a VILLAIN.

The disrespect to nigthwing will never be forgived

I've grown tired of her romance with Poison Ivy as well. Poison Ivy is a character with so much potential, and is just held back massively as "Harley Quinn's girlfriend". Ivy is a misanthrope and downright crazy most of the time, mostly lacks empathy for her fellow humans, so she's meant to be this powerful, lonesome, uncaring plant lady who used her intellect and sex appeal (and I mean come on, she's hot as hell, that's literally part of her character) to manipulate people her way. Instead, most of the time she's just a shallow serial killer as part of someone else's plans, or just the "voice of reason" in her dynamic with Harley Quinn. Ivy isn't a good guy, there's been great depictions of her becoming more empathetic, and Batman seeing the good side of her, but she's still a mass-murdering psycho. I understand that Harley and Ivy are both "developed" being together, but keeping them together has stunted them both, and quite frankly, it's not a good look for a lesbian relationship when it's really toxic like that.

I totally agree. Harley Quinn might be my favorite DC character, but there is such a thing as "too much of a good thing".

I've been tired of Harley Quinn since 2016 she's very annoying. Paul Dini should be the only one that writes for Harley.

Harley used to be a treasure you had to dig deep to find in media. Now she's fucking everywhere. Like some kind of harley quinn inflation. Quinnflation

The minute they turn her into a Martial arts expert, kung fu master,weapons specialist, MMA fighter, tactical Genius, I checked out

Why cant they give Cassandra Cain this kind of attention!?

My issue is not just Harley and the free pass she gets as some innocent Joker Groupie. It’s how she infects all of DC with BS like the Suicide Squad with Harley, Deadshot, Boomer, King Shark as the core roster being any threat to the Justice League. Instead of some government sanctioned Justice League of America led by Captain Atom.

Bruce Timm and the rest of the DCAU creatives: proof that even the best writers can get worse and not better with time.

My boy Venom did the whole villain into Anti Hero thing INFINITELY better then Harley

How have we had a Harley Quinn series but not a Nightwing one like if done correctly that show would be a heavy hitter

Dc rides Harley Quinn lmao

I'm absolutely SICK of this character. I still remember in 2019 when we got that birds of prey film, the harley quinn cartoon, and I also saw an advertisement for another animated harley quinn cartoon at the time and I was thinking "holy shit, do you think that enough?" Also, can't forget about that big game Multiversus, a game that had joker nowhere to be found, but Harley? Yeah make her DC character #4, why not? The sad part is that it's not even close to the only time I've seen Harley not only being pushed over characters like the joker, but characters like the flash and green lantern as the fourth most important DC character. You know, there was a time when I got really annoyed with Pokémon fans for overly hating on Charizard because "he's too overrated" by thinking "no, he's not, Pokémon's just pushing him a lot, it's not that bad", only to remember Harley Quinn and going "oh wait, maybe they have a point". I am so done with this character, like she's not a terrible character or anything, but there's like one story that they tell with her and they have told it a million times. It seems to me she's like the fourth most popular DC character at this point only behind Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, and even then she gets more representation than some of them. I don't get it DC, you have so many amazing female superheroes and even super villains like Raven, Starfire, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Wonder Woman, ZATANNA! But no, the one you wanna push is the one with 0 superpowers and the one whose story has been told to death because it makes 40-year-old Facebook moms gitty. Even the other villain that's been used because of her, Poison Ivy, who actually is a good character, she's only ever used as harley quinn's girlfriend, and the eco terrorist personality she had that's a reflection on Batman's obsession with justice is lost just so we can have her be Harley's girlfriend. Speaking of which, Batman's rogues gallery is like the most interesting in comic book history, not only because they're unique, different, and memorable, but they are all reflections of Batman's identity in some way shape and form, but all we ever seem to get from them now is Harley Quinn, who not only has the least connections to Batman, but in the stories where she is the villa8n is just Joker 2.0, So instead of getting a lot of cool stories with Scarecrow and Two-Face, we have to constantly get Harley Quinn stories ad-nauseam.

The green lantern corps need a series

I've always preferred Harly Quinn with Joker. And no not because of the enjoyment of abusive relationship (something the fangirls call you out on). I just preferred her as a psycho and a villain. A bad guy. That's it. I've just honestly never really was into villains becoming Anti-heroes due to popularity from fans with maybe the exception of Venom.

Bro we get more Harley Quinn then we get Wonder Woman. Why tf do we still not have a Wonder Woman animated series?

I like how harley got her own animated show and she’s easily the worst part of it

Batman and Harley is what happens when you let Bruce Timm write a Batman story without Paul to reign him in

Injustice is what made me hate Harley. How the fuck do we have a Harley cartoon before Wonder Woman

She’s their golden goose. Not just popular with men because she’s hot, but she’s also single-handedly built up the woman’s audience to be massive compared to how it was before, even becoming massively popular with little girls who absolutely shouldn’t be watching most of the content she’s from. As a result they’re dumbing her down, making her more appealing to the female audience: breaking up with the joker, becoming comic relief, hiding the sexuality of the character, they’re going hard trying to make her strong and independent when by definition Harley isn’t independent. They’re changing and warping the character so they can continue to overuse her as their cash cow. They need to stop if they care about the integrity of the character but they never will while she makes that much money, and she’s essential to appeal to the female market.

Finally someone has addressed this. I've had my fill out Harley Quinn.

It gets to the point where Harley Quinn overshadows the Joker himself. She’s like the Minions of DC comics.

DC simply threw Paul Dini's original Harlequin in the trash, and after the New 52 brought that boring and insufferable lesbian feminsta project

She is edgy and politically correct in her relationship with Ivy. That's all. Never was a fan of her as a some anti-hero BS (never was a fan of that type of characters anyway). She deserve no place in BatFam. It shouldn't be even a question. She should try to became a normal citizen again after her rehabilitation would end (for me that shouldn't be even possible given what she had done, but I can accept that one "going easy on her"). That is the best part of Batman & Harley Quinn movie. I really like the scene when Harley shows Dick her rejected job papers. I feel kinda sad for her. That should be the main theme of her character - "How a mad love with insane psycho criminal can drive a good person into becoming another one and how it destroys your life in a society", not "Even though you killed many people, we forgive you because it was Joker's fault", that is such BS. Never was a fan of her and Ivy relationship. As a friends in her transitional period between beig Joker's sidekick and full rehabilitation - sure, but not romanticaly. It undermines Ivy's character, because push for Harley makes Ivy simply her love interest, removing her traits that made her very interesting in the first place and leaves Batman without a recognizable Batman female villain. Wonder Women is not advertised at all and it is a huge shame, because she should be the ideal women, not only in DC, but in all of the comics.

A Gotham City Sirens movie actually was supposed to be a thing where Black Mask was supposed to be a villain but then it got canceled for a Jared Leto joker & Harley movie which then got canceled for the birds of prey movie

My favorite Harley Quinn is from the Telltale games, where she's more of a villain than other adaptations making her a hero or anti-hero.

Was Harley trained by a high-tier martial artist or something, I get she’s acrobatic but how is she folding trained fighters so easily😂

If I don’t see Harley or Amanda Waller for another decade, I’ll be fine. Suicide Squad characters aren’t meant to be overexposed

I think Suicide Squad (2016) ruined the character. I can't stand her in any type of media post 2016.

Old Harley: "I'm severely mentally ill." New Harley: "I'm not your average gurl XD." They've oversaturated her in media appearances while removing her from the Joker. Which makes her significantly less of a compelling, and tragic character overall. They've forgotten she's supposed to be just as insane as The Joker which is why I'm actually more excited for Gaga's take on the character over Robbie's.

Modern Harley Cringe actually makes me ill. Let Punchline take over the role and let Harley be a stolkHOElm girl again.

Even that suicide squad anime didn't came yet i can expect that harley queen gonna had more screen time than the rest of the characters that clear from the trailer

As a Harley fan, I’m in a really weird place because when Harley is handled well, she handled really well but when she well she’s really not handled well. I think there’s room for her to move on from the joker but they need to make her more than just a grading woman child. Yes, Harley Quinn is childish, but it’s not her only character trait and it seems like a lot of people wanna depict her as if it is. And I think they need to start acknowledging that she can be a villain and a victim at the same time.

The more they keep pushing the idea that Harley is actually a good person underneath her horrible deeds, the more I dislike her.

How about before nightwing's death, the batfamily couldn't fight without their gear 😂, batman is a ninja, he trained all of them yet harley in this show is somehow better in hand to hand combat 🤦‍♂️, how about poison ivy soloing the legion of doom in a small room.

5 years earlier no one took me seriously. Glad people are opening their eyes slowly. ♥️

Not a fan of how her design has evolved either. She barely even has a clown theme anymore, much less a harlequin. She's just a generic hot punk girl now.

Harley stopped being Harley in the comics from New52 and in mainstream media from 2016. The animated series is pure shit from season 1 where basically any character got a bad characterization and Harley got not only plot armor but plot strenght where she became such a good fighter that was able to take down villains and heroes far better than her (seems to read Tom King's run where Catwoman was able to beat Talia al Ghul in a duel). DC from New52 going forward wanted from Harley to be their own version of Deadpool plus an empowered female character but they basically ruined her in the process. You want an antihero of sorts that could be used for a lot of wacky scenarios, with a good sense of humor and that is partially associated with Batman? Use Creeper. While for the empored female character Harley Quinn was supposed to be a cautionary tale, the best example of what a woman SHOULDN'T be. One of the very few "new" good cautionary tales and DC fucked it up. P.S. her relationship with Poison Ivy doesn't make any sense for both of them and her "new" costume is an extreme downgrade from the original

Your not wrong there. She has become so bloated her character has become suffocating.

They keep trying to make her more like Deadpool, but she has no motivation. Deadpool wants to be a hero but thinks lower of himself because of his past. His self-hate and humor alienate him from other heroes and sometimes less moral heroes use it to take advantage of him. Harley's main theme is discovering herself after the Joker but narratively there is no consistent want. The people she meets usually can defend themselves pretty good unlike Deadpool's daughter. Each story she can go form wanting to be a hero, antihero, civilian, anti-villain, villain or move around the scale. Since they can't pick a direction to take her they can throw her on the wall and not worry if she sticks because people consume her for aesthetic alone. I think it would be cool if they mainly use her like a wild card like Hisoka or the phantom troupe if they give her a crew. This is so we don't know if she's gonna help the heroes, villains, or herself. This is so she's not chaotically all over the morality scale without a goal. Her motive could be to have as much fun as possible.

Wanna hear the uncomfortable truth that fans aren’t willing to admit... She isn’t a good character on her own or in the spotlight. There are main characters and then there are support characters. Harley is and will always be a support character. She only ever works best as Jokers Robin as she is most able to be utilized there. Both as a character and as a stepping stone for the main characters (most often Batman and Joker) She on her own doesn’t work. Period. People will say otherwise but truthfully as a story writer (amateur I’ll admit but I know all the fundamentals and even a good grasp on advanced) this is how characters are. She isn’t good or done well on her own or in her own story.

Yeah I hope the obsession with Harley dies down. So that's why I started to dislike her after breaking up with Joker. There's no character development over her break up or anything. With her being that obsessive with the Joker and being so heartbroken that Joker died in the Arkham series, they've should've not included Joker in suicide squad, but not only that, he looks terrible anyway and instead have her deal with being away from Joker for a time to realize that he really wasn't good for her. And instead, her new character arch could be with siding with Superman's way of dealing with things since in one comic, he actually kills Joker to prove a point to Batman, which is actually what Joker's point was too ironically. That way she could still have somewhat of a vendetta against Batman to keep things interesting but still be a Deadpool-ish character. But I guess it really is just all over the place and they make her seem like some modern woman who just got tired of her boyfriend and wanted something new lol! And that's just a boring unhealthy character. Makes her seem like a villain still because that would be a psychopathic villainous mindset that no one wants to root for. Not even for a neutral character. So there's a lot of problems with it when I gotta admit, it could've worked, and really well if they gave it time and used the story of Superman killing Joker or another one of Batman's villains to prove him a point. Could even be Ra's Al Ghul that dies by Superman.

she's not even a hero bro. tired of DC pushing villains and anti heroes. yes they have their place, but it shouldn't be over the heroes that made DC what it is

Let's give nightwing a show, he deserves it, why does he have to suffer in everything

It's funny how Nightwing and Harley being a thing is apparently canon to the DACU. The Dee Dees from Beyond are Nightwing's grandchildren. 😅

IM SO TIRED OF HARLY I NEED MORE SUPER GIRL OR ZANTANA OR ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

Here are some other problems I have with Harley beyond just oversaturation, though they are tied into and compounded by oversaturation. 1 She just doesn't stand on her own. Joker's Girlfriend/victim, Ivy's Girlfriend, the wacky mascot of Task Force X, or now the Bat Family. Her whole gimmick comes from her time with the Joker, or amounts to a baseball bat and a handgun. Dick, Barbara, Jason, Jean Paul Valley, all have been able to reinterpret their skills honed with the Bat Family or outright reinvent themselves to carry their own stories or find a variety of team dynamics. Other Gotham villains can stand proud as their own characters. But Harley is not one of those, which doesn't mean she can't be put to decent narrative use, but it does mean you can't use her as a leading lady in anything big. 2 It feels like the same stories repeated. The last time they took a new direction for her that worked, she was put on Task Force X. And this wouldn't be a problem without overuse, or if the general formula was more fun and suited to a leading character. But she feels stagnant or out of place with the oversaturation. Personally, I'd try shuffling her back to civilian life as supporting cast for her to really grow and change. Maybe an orderly or janitor of a good asylum. Sure, reclaiming her profession as a psychologist or therapist would be the peak of her getting past her villainous life, but even Arkham Asylum would have a hard time accepting that, let alone a place that actually helps people and follows professional standards. 3 They overstate her capability and relevance. I can't deal with the Harley show because beyond disrespecting actual Superheroes for cheap yucks, the idea of Darkseid showing any interest in Harley is laughable in a bad way. And the idea that he'd actually consider replacing Granny Goodness is nonsense. Jokes still have to make sense. The extent of her capabilities come from being unpredictable, whatever technical skill with fists and firearms she's gathered along the way, having a blunt force object, and a sidearm which might be oversized. Oh, and maybe some leftover Joker or Joker esque offense gadgets.

Suicide Squad: Kill my Loyalty to DC My love for the whole franchise and its characters is hanging by a thread

My favorite version of Harley will always be from the Lego Batman nintendo DS game. Her boss fight with the rollercoasters and her massive hammer, as well as her jester-like clothing was always so cool to me.

Unlike animated Harley, comic Harley has pretty much never had a consistent personality cause writers not named Paul Dini don’t know what to do with her. Sometimes she’s a quirky Deadpool type jokey character, or she’s a super serious badass anti hero who looks like a clown, or at her worst she’s a gross out nasty hyper sexual crazy girl who hits on anything with a pulse.

My biggest issue with the B&H movie is that isn’t just a straight up rip off of the episode, Harlequinade from BTAS. Which is a fantastic episode, and better than this movie in every way

The last time I liked her was in the animated series, I hate that they made her the Paris Hilton of DC

F*cking Harley Quinn is getting more attention than any bat villain even more than the joker wtf

I actually always wanted a comedic animated spin-off about Killer Moth pulling odd-jobs for the villains of Gotham. Seeing him constantly having to punch up in a city that puts him through the wringer always seemed like he'd make for a perfect center of slapstick shenanigans.

I used to love Harley. Precisely since before the New 52. It was all downhill from there. It feels like no one gets her. Even her having bleached skin feels like a miss. She was an asset in BtAS because she had unbleached skin. I unfairly tend to link the current Harley Quinn problem with the casting of Tara Strong as pretty much the go to voice of Harley. She tends to voice the character in a way that often sounds like a flanderization impression of the character, always pretty much being at a 10 or 8 in energy but none of the nuances of Arleen Sorkin’s take on Harley. And that kinda became how Harley is as a result in most media. So unfortunately Tara Strong Harley became the face, or voice, of Harley over saturation and misrepresentation to me. Shout out to Hynden Walch for being a better Harley after Arleen (for examples: 2004’s The Batman show, Batman Assault on Arkham, Flashpoint Paradox, and Apocalypse War). She’s even able to do that squee Arleen could do as Harley. They should’ve cast Starfire over Raven on this one.

To be honest Harley Quinn season 2 and 3 was bad too. Season 1 was okay. But season 2 and 3 was trash just like 4.

Give her back to the Joker, i'm sure he can fix her.

Harleys happy ending isn't becoming an anti hero It's not being Harley quinn And going back to being harleen quinnzel

I love harley but even i've been saying she's been in way too much DC properties. You also pretty much summed up how i feel about the Harley Quinn show. I liked the first 2 seasons but later on i just couldnt. I've also disliked that injustice Harley can join the good guys as if she didnt help nuke a city and Bats let her be part of her team. Imagine your former friend working with the person who helped nuke your city and also killed your wife and unborn child.

I’d take a Catwoman movie over a Harley Quinn movie any day.

They retconned her past to make her more sympathetic when what the writers should have done is give her a redemption arc. She feels out of place with the Bat Family cause she hasn't earned it. Just like how they've made her more formidable than Nightwing and even Batman. But what it comes down to is she's popular and her name sells.

I think dc needs to give Harley Quinn a break in my opinion

I never understood why they feel the need to make copies of original characters. Harley is just a female joker but worse. Batwoman is just a female batman but worse, and so on. If it was up to me, i would delete all sidekicks, they drag down the story anyway.

harley quinn should never be an anti hero. she works well in her original part as Joker’s sidekick/lover. Instead of having her develop into being a better person, it would be FAR more interesting if it was Batman trying to give her help and have her teeter between leaving Joker and being good, but choose to be bad and stay with Joker anyway. arkham/og harley > modern harley quinn

I understand why Harley Quinn is used so much she’s literally one of DC’s most popular characters the issue is DC and warner brothers heavily relies on there heaviest hitters for marketing which is why we have so much Batman Media it’s actually the same with why Spiderman gets so much attention

A symptom of Mary Sue writing is that the universe bends over backwards to make the Mary Sue appear better than she is. In other words: tearing down much beloved characters to show off how cool this new character is. Reflect on this as you see Harley get or do something she has no right doing.

Dc been meatriding the hell out of harley quinn so damn much

People don't like harley, they like Margot Robbie

she killed nightwing!! thats wort then when damian did it

They want her to be the “Waifu” archetype SOOOO badly when she’s not, her character is much more complex than that as well as there being PLENNNNNTYYYY of other DC female characters they can force that onto

She's been pushed. She's in the Batfamily currently. She's fully redeemed they need to do something with that. It's not bad, but oversaturation is the biggeet problem.

I think the worst part is they're ruining OK versions by turning her into that Margot Robbie-esk version for The Suicide Squad and its so UGHH

The people who push Harley project themselves into her and want you to accept her i.e. them as a proxy thereby. It doesn't work because Harley is always going to be a villain, just like those who keep pushing her.

Harley as a Character always worked as a Side Character, Not a Main One, the More She gets Screentime the less Interesting she Becomes.

She not interesting enough in her own to be a main character she’s just a glorified side character

As a Harley Quinn fan I 100% agree! The Harley I love is from Batman the animated series. The modern day Harley Quinn is not my Harley!

I see people complain about how much Batman is in media, I can understand that, but he's literally part of the big 3. But I feel like we see more Harley than we see Superman and Wonder Woman. I remember liking Harley growing up, nowadays I roll my eyes whenever she shows up in something.

Imagine that guy in DC/WB higher-ups obsessed with Harley pushed the character so hard that it destroyed a whole-ass game studio like rocksteady