How Incredibles 2 Destroyed Everything - Part 1 | Underminer Battle, Interrogation & Devtech Meeting 

For anyone asking "Where's Part 2?" please refer to this community post from 3 days ago: ru-vid.com/show-UCf1OHsudbaKKF6zWf7rWoYgcommunity?lb=Ugkxc_0i4NfF8c-DuzFHUMj3CparR7JkWj44

This movie was quite the evil endeavour. I can’t believe they completely undermined the original. It’s honestly pretty incredible

I think it's brilliant that Dash's and Violet's arcs in the first movie are the complete opposite of each other: he wants to be special and she wants to be normal. Not only that, their powers are paralels to their emotional state: Dash is impatient and reckless (superspeed) and Violet is shy, insecure and doesn't want to come out of her shell (invisibility and force fields). Meanwhile in The Incredibles 2: Violet is sad because of a boy and Dash can't do math.

"Are you really criticizing the logic in a silly-" Yes. Even Bugs Bunny has pretty consistent logic, despite being a cartoon who regularly defies real world logic. If a setting decides one set of rules applies in the first episode, and then changes that expectation in the second, an explanation is required.

Here's the thing. I never wanted to see their fight with the Under Miner. I had not expected a sequel given how the first movie ended, but I think picking up right where that one left off was a catastrophic mistake that subsequently held back the potential of a sequel. The Incredibles wasn't about the action, it was about the family dynamics, done to everyone's powers being a reflection of their role in the family. What they needed was a time skip like what happened with TS3. Allow them to have years of happiness culminating in new family dynamics to explore. A father son struggle where Mr. Incredible feels like he can't keep up with Dash, the new young face of modern Heroes. You could have Violet grown-up ready to leave her family and disappear into the bigger world. Jak-jak unsure of what direction to go as he's entering his teenage years, changing to fit in. And Helen trying to keep the family together. These are just bare bones thoughts, but the point is.... Incredibles 2 felt empty because it wasn't built on the core of the first.

Here’s the thing: I’m not from an English speaking country so Evelyn’s name passed over my head. However it was still SO OBVIOUS that she was the villain that I was convinced she was actually NOT the villain, just the stereotype of the kinda weird person that you’re supposed to be suspicious of that turns out to be innocent. Edit: i was also just lying to myself cause i had a crush on her and didnt want her to be evil

All Incredibles 2 did was make us realize how much of a masterpiece The Incredibles really was.

"Did you stop the Underminer from inflicting more damage?" "YES." "The banks were insured" "That literally has nothing to do with the thousands of lives that would've been lost without the Incredibles' help" "If you had simply done nothing-" "Everybody would be dead. Next stupid argument?"

The annoying thing about the underminer fight is that they could’ve made it a close battle without nerfing Mr Incredible into oblivion. They were underground, which would be the underminer’s area of expertise. He could have a network of tunnels and use the darkness to land a bunch of sucker punches on Bob, with Bob having to adapt to a very different environment

What bothered me the most about that scene of Winston picking Helen to be their representative was how selfish Bob was. Even before his arc in Incredibles 1 he was always shown to love his wife, despite their differences. He would never get upset at her getting to be a superhero and WOULD NEVER insult her by insinuating that he's a better superhero than she is. He would be more concerned about her safety or who will take care of the kids. Not that Helen is taking his glory from him.

Bob's character assassination reminds me of how they treated Homer and Peter over the years. Please stop writing father characters this way, it hurts to see good characters suddenly become selfish and self centered for no reason.

Basically this movie: You should do nothing and just let people get hurt because the banks are insured.

The title should have been, “how Incredibles II UNDERMINED everything!”

The fact that they undermined the ending of the first movie is so full of irony that it’s actually sad.

The Underminer just got a BIG W! 1. He declared War on Happiness and Joy and got no consequences. 2. He got rich. 3. Beats up the one and only Mr. Incredible at Hand To Hand combat. 4. Escape freely with all the city’s cash and nothing bad happens to the underminer.

The thing I was most excited about while watching Incredibles 2 is going home and watching the original

I never-Let me repeat. NEVER. Cared about the underminer plot at the end of the first film. To me that simply signified the fact that they would be fighting crime regularly as a family. The fact that they chose to start this plot right where the last one left off TEN YEARS LATER was such a let down when you know damn well they could have easily aged everyone and written an entirely new storyline from there!

right away i was shocked that violet took off her mask, whatever happened to "your identity is your most valuable possession, protect it"

My dad's favorite movie of all time is The Incredibles, no joke. He's almost 70, and probably watched it like, 40 times or something now. Drives my mom absolutely crazy cause she's sick of it (as much as she still really enjoys it too). It's got everything he could want- good family themes, subtle-but-important conflicts, a happy and hopeful ending, fun action, and great messages all-around. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's nigh perfect, and he loves it for it. I've never heard him talk about The Incredibles 2 once, despite him seeing it opening night.

One of the biggest issues I take with a lot of Pixar sequels is retreading story beats while foregoing continuity for plot reasons. They don't tell a new story, they just insult the original one.

19:11 You know, when you mention Bob accidentally broke the control panel. I just realize, that even in the direst situation, Bob is still very calculating. When Syndrome kidnaps Jack Jack, his own son, he doesn't just try to throw something because it might hurt Jack Jack, even when Helen persuades him to do something. Only after Jack Jack has been saved, he does do something, throw his car and end Syndrome. This kinda makes me wonder if he ever kills or essentially puts the villain in the hospital for a very long time.

Anyone else notice how sometime when he says a word, the footage will show the characters doing that thing? Like when he says 'And they fumbled the ball completely ', you can see Helen fumbling the phone in the background. Now that is true dedication.

My biggest peeve i have with this movie is Hellen doing basically what her husband did in the first movi e and No One Sees History Repeating Itself. Its almost like what if they made a sequel to Wreck it Ralph where Vanelope's new dream is to go Turbo.

I believe the biggest killer of this movie was its conception. The movie was produced years after the original, and within that time society changed greatly. That plus I believe incredibles 2 was made solely off of fans wanting it. That within itself took away the potentially organicness of a sequel. I notice that a lot of projects that are brought to life because of fans either is a disappointment or cash grab

Even if their house and belongings were destroyed, what happened to Bob's TRIPLED ANNUAL SALARY he was making? Did he store it in the house?

Fun is not something one considers when performing media autopsies. But this, does put a smile on my face.

1:09:55 Bob was actually very familiar with Gazer Beam considering he was at Bob's wedding which was a secret wedding, so you would assume all the people that were there are very close friends, which would explain Bob's reacting in seeing Gazer Beam's corpse in the first movie.

"Continuity isn't a thing anymore" is the perfect synopsis of modern Hollywood.

1:05:58 One point to make: it is implied in the first Incredibles that Bob's original Mr. Incredible suit is not made of ordinary material, as Edna immediately infers that Bob has been moonlighting hero work because of the fact that he managed to get it damaged. It doesn't *entirely* excuse the fact that both Bob and Helen's classic suits survived their home's destruction, but it is evidence that their supersuits have always been more durable than standard spandex, especially given that if they weren't exceptionally durable, Bob's suit would have suffered some significant damage in the first film's introductory scene from the friction of shaking that tree alone.

It's very sad to imagine someone dismissing this analysis and saying "it's just a movie". Any fictional media deserves respect and close attention, because that's how it improves. It's imbuing meaning to something that is really just smoke and magic and on some level is just entertainment, but it could be more.

First movie Mr. Incredible: He can throw a giant robot with no problem Second movie Mr. Incredible: A moleman kicks his ass, he only can defeat a super as strong as him with help, can't smash some tubes that obstruct his way

I love listening to people talk so passionately, it's so good :p Also, Mr Incredible is getting Superman writing, where he's precisely as strong as the writers need him to be at that very moment in time, where sometimes he can lift earth one handed with ease, sometimes he struggles to lift a rock half the size of his body.

Incredibles 2 should have been an exploration of whether or not Syndrome was right (and/or a scenario where his super-tech gets leaked to the public)

The big issue with the opening sequence is how "obligatory" it feels. Much like Back to the Future Part 2, they're just doing whatever they can to resolve the hook the last movie left so they can move on to tell their main story. But at least BTTF had a whole act dedicated to it, instead of just a prologue.

When Disney bought Pixar I talked to a friend about how long we guess it would take until Pixar loses its magic and their movies become mediocre. Incredibles 2 and Toy Story 4 answered those questions very clearly.

I like how you actually mention how it makes no sense that many witnesses can testify that the Incredibles family saved people and prevented destruction and not caused the destruction as the police were trying to imply at the beginning of the movie.

I remember going to the theater with my younger sister to see this and we were both left incredibly confused. The whole time we were laughing at the bad plot holes and how so many things were never getting answered. For example, we immediately talked about how The Underminer just....escapes, and NOBODY ever mentions it ever again in the plot, or how every character's motivations just flip to an instant 180* for "reasons" that just ruins how this was supposed to be like a week after the events of the first movie.

I will never understand how the incredible 2 video game from 2005 or something handled this so much better

Fun fact about the original Incredibles: Supers were able to get sued during the prologue of the movie because the good samaritan law wasn't in the same effect as today. Matpat from film theory video call "can you sue a superhero" goes into much more detail about this but long story short the original went the extra mile to place it during the only time it could of to make any legal sense.

I wish this movie had been a story about the family learning to fight together instead of whatever this mess was. Imagine getting an opening fight where they fumble with each other, trying to figure out how to make each power work together as one team. Watching them develop their powers with smaller villains and unraveling a deepening conspiracy about the return and rise of new supervillains. Watch them put the pieces together both of their teamwork and their incoming, new age enemies. Watch them bring in modern villain groups rather than one off solo acts. Imagine Violet learning how to do the force field slash after training with Frozone! Or seeing Helen teach Dash about momentum and movement in a battle. Like, there’s so much fun stuff that could happen with them learning how to teamwork. And you can still open with a team battle in the opening, albeit a fumbling and uncoordinated one. And then end with them taking out some lesser villain in a villainous syndicate who’s posing a threat, using their newly gained teamwork skills and ingenuity to win the day. And then leave us hoping for another with a hint at a larger, international or global threat. Give us that “with the return of heroes comes the return of evil” sort of plot. There were so many ways this movie could have been done better.

My least favorite part is not even about Bob or Helen lol. My least favorite part is that they stopped having a world of superheroes and suddenly had a world of mutants. Not the same thing. Everyone in the first movie was a human, and some of them had powers. Not everyone in the second movie was a human. It was a weird shift that hit me, personally, so hard that I immediately was removed from the world on the screen and didn’t really like the movie. The first one is maybe my favorite western animated movie. Mask of the Phantasm is pretty legit too. Edit: assuming this isn’t a one-off, I’m glad to have found a channel that still does long form videos.

Personally, I think the movie should have started a year or two after the first one ended. Maybe reference the Underminer fight, but not begin with it. This movie could have benefitted with a small time jump. I also think that Screenslaver had potential to be a good villain but they dropped the ball. The scene at the apartment was awesome and they could have expanded on it in more interesting ways.

My biggest problem with it is how much Bob is so selfish and incompetent as a father even though in the first movie it was the total opposite. My second biggest problem is how useless the kids are, I really thought they were gonna be the main focus of this movie and Jak Jak kinda is but is mostly used for laughs and Hellen I love her I really do but she did not deserve to be the main character of the movie in my opinion not that it’s her fault she’s still one of my personal favorite.

As someone who has a lot of the same opinions shared in this video, the thing that pissed me off the most was that the sequel received better ratings than the first movie on its release.

Personally I quite enjoy long videos, long videos can allow more evidence to be given to a viewer and can give more points. With this you very well explained why you felt the way you did and it honestly makes you feel more authentic, thanks for this awesome video my dude.

I think the fact that there are quite literally a hundred lines from the first movie that my family quotes all the time is a testament to the sheer perfection of the writing in that movie. There's literally NOTHING quotable about the second film.

I'll never forget Brad Bird saying he'd only make an Incredibles sequel if he had a really good idea. I don't know what Disney did to have him turn this but this is what we got. Especielly when the other idea I heard about Incredibles sequels while nothing crazy at least didn't retcon Supers being illegal.

Actually, one of the nitpicks you mentioned could have changed the story. If Violet didn’t have a stroller for Jack Jack, she would’ve had to hold him in her arms, which likely would have prevented her from throwing her mask down, causing the entire “arc” of her character throughout the movie to be nonexistent

Thank you for saying exactly how I felt. The Incredibles is one of my favorite movies of all time. The way they fumbled the sequel is absolutely insane, and honestly would have been much better if there never was one.

You do NOT talk too long. I love how in depth you go. I listen to these video essays at work, I'm a metal finisher and I put my earphones in and listen to you destroy these writers for being so lazy. Don't listen to anybody complaining. They can turn the video off at anytime. Do not stop doing what you're doing and how you're doing it. It's fucking perfect.

42:14 "Long video = bad video" I believe the exact opposite. I cannot tell you how excited I feel whenever I see a video essay longer than 15 minutes regardless of wether I like what the content is about. I am so glad that this video appeared in my recomended and am now preparing to binge your Toy Story 4 video.

I enjoyed seeing Grug slapping the wall whenever you said "everybody would have died" lol

There was potential for a much more intriguing Deavor backstory. To set the scene. Winston's voice after he talks about how their father idolised the supers and reacted to them being made illegal: "He was heartbroken when you were all forced to go underground. Then the vultures saw the opportunity." His voices turns to hold hints of pride and anger. "They knew our father had publicly defended supers, even bailing them out of liability on multiple cases including your's Mr Incredible. They sued him, and slandered his name. He tried to fend them off but the damage was done." Winston's voice takes on a mournful tone. "After so much, our fathers health rapidly declined. He died 3 months after you were made illegal, a heartbroken and devastated man."

The biggest flaw of Incredibles is that it was clearly intended to be a self-contained film, but they had to have the cliffhanger comic trope. The audience would have begged for a sequel regardless, but the hook raised the expectation to a ridiculous level. Not only was a sequel going to struggle to recapture the lightning in the bottle, but Underminer was never designed to be a good villain, making Jack Jack effectively a god was not the direction any writer planning to continue the story would have made.

You know what this video is making me realize? The kids' arc (or at least Dash's) in this movie should have been focused on collateral damage. Think about it: in that opening action scene, he's rushing to save people from debris. But what if, in a moment that could be reminiscent of A-Train from The Boys, he rushes to save someone, but with his super speed gives them whiplash? Or dislocates a wrist that he yanks on to rescue someone from debris? Immediately, he'll be ripped from the high of getting to participate in superheroics down to the reality of what happens when someone with super speed doesn't have complete control and restraint of that overwhelming power? Dash would then have to grapple with his desire to be a superhero and use his great powers and the damage he can easily do to innocent people. This can be something he can dwell on and retreat into himself a bit because of it, he could even visit the people he accidentally damaged. Guilt ridden, traumatized, demoralized, etc. He could even come to a realization that making superheroes illegal made sense and was for the best. He could devolve into a (kinda) self hating super for a second, think about how powerful that would be for Dash. The kid that was giddy when he asked "As fast as I can?!" when his mother finally told him it was okay for him to unleash his full powers. The kid that was excited beyond belief that someone thought enough about him to create a specially made suit for him to unleash his unique powers. The kid that was geeking out in the car after the adventure was over and flailing all over the place about how much he loves being part of a superhero family. Only to have him realistically devolve into the state of mind that superheroes are dangerous and were better off in hiding. He should have remained in hiding. He doesn't deserve to be a superhero, he doesn't deserve his powers, he doesn't deserve to be incredible. Then Bob could notice this change in his son's behavior and finally he can have a scene with Dash that would mirror the scene Helen had with Violet in the first movie. Bob can explain that the reason heroes were banned in the first place began with him saving someone and accidentally hurting them. We can finally get some introspection on that moment in his life, that time period in this world, Bob's development shining through as he gives Dash whatever wisdom he needs to get past this traumatic event and give Dash the development he needs to be a greater hero and a better character. Think about it: Dash never really addresses the problems with his impulsiveness and rash decisions, not even the first movie touches on this. So in this movie, we along with Dash, can reassess how we feel about untrained children with awesome powers jumping into life and death situations and how badly innocent people can get hurt because of this choice. Is this the child's fault? Should they bench someone with powers so incredibly useful as super speed? Is Dash the problem or is his powers the problem? Is his impulsivity just part of his powers? Is he just doomed to be reckless forever? Will he always be a danger to others? How can he even begin to balance training with homework and running track? Should he attempt to balance all that or simply admit he doesn't have what it takes to be a hero? And most importantly, why does Dash want to be a superhero as opposed to anything else he could do to utilize his powers i.e. track and racing? And in the final act, all these questions can be answered, ending with Dash realizing why he wants to be a superhero and becoming much more methodical and careful with his powers. Thus, making him a better hero and strengthen the family as a superhero team, eliciting pride and joy in his father, THE Mr. Incredible. Dash could come out in the clutch at the very end of the climactic action, earning a "That's my boy" as opposed to Violet earning a "That's my girl" in the first movie. A neat callback that is carefully built up to as a satisfying payoff specifically for Dash's arc and Bob's relationship with his son. Plus, if you allow Dash to go through this trauma and grapple with it, you can use the development he went through with Violet in the first movie to establish how close they've become as siblings. How far they've come from the typical petty sibling stuff, how they lean on each other because they're the only super powered kids they know, because they know they've got each other's backs after the island attack. Also we'd be really touching on collateral damage instead of just barely touching it to kinda dress up the story, it's actually a core part of a main character's arc. And you could use the kids causing collateral damage be the reason why Helen is backtracking on letting them be superheroes. Instead of "things were different on the island", it would be "things are different because you're in need of training/you're not ready for saving innocent people. You were only allowed to fight the giant robot because we had no other choice but to include you since you were already in the thick of it. But now, in light of the people you've hospitalized, you're on the bench for now". And that's the important bit, *for now*. Not forever, not "you were wrong to act and save the city". Just "you aren't quite ready for the field, let's try and train you to be better". I dunno, at least it's a lot better than "hElP mE wItH tHe MaThS"

Why is Helen so skeptical and cynical into thinking that saving the city was a mistake and that they’re kids are not “old enough” or capable of handling these type of situations when they’re the reason why they’re all alive!

Ah yes, the man who, one handed, lifted TRAINS as a workout, fails to punch through metal and gets his butt kicked by a mole man

Never got a chance to play it, but apparently there was a video game where the Incredibles fought the Underminer right after the events of the first film that’s completely ignored and retconned by this opener. Guess Lightyear wasn’t the first in this area either?

I never hated The Incredibles 2, but I always had a weird feeling about it. Like something was off.

About 3 months ago I watched Incredibles 2 for the first time and my dad started watching it with me soon after the movie began- sometime around the Underminer fight. I have no idea when was the last time he saw the first movie but I distinctly remember when Bob was getting folded, my dad was like “that…doesn’t make any sense” and we proceeded to make jokes about how the Underminer would basically become a stain on the drill interior in one second lol

after 14 years of waiting for this movie, it's finally out and nobody talks about it. Big impact pixar, big impact

I like how nowadays Pixar sequels completely demolish strong, memorable characters, but give a mouthful of new abilities to everyone else (especially new characters) in the most ludicrous way I mean, I know the reason why, but the end rarely justifies the means Especially these grotesque

BTW Violet Force Field Blades is another example of doing something risky and cool instead of something safer that you already know. Violet could have saved those citizens by just dropping a forcefield on them or dropping a forcefield around the rocks, no need to use an attack to explode the rocks and potentially send SHARPNEL on the people you're supposed to protect, its the same issue that the RC in TS4 had, they were so focused on the stunt they didnt think there were more practical ways of doing the task.(like Drop Buzz to take RC out of the gutter before pulling him back instead of doing whatever they did in TS4.)

i love that after syndrome's hero murder spree suddenly the world is repopulated with heroes again

I thought it was really weird at how apprehensive Bob was when Mr. Incredible basically became the poster-boy for the superhero era falling

Everything with Bob just feels wrong, It just doesn’t feel right for bob to feel THIS flawed, he had flaws in the first film but they didn’t feel as bad and less uncomfortable feeling, genuinely Bob’s outbursts are truly hard to watch for me. Mr Fantastic from Marvel Comics is someone who has very clearly defined and constant character flaws, but everything about Reed makes him a Fascinating, Nuanced and Morally grey character. So when he does some of the pretty fucking bad shit he’s done, no matter how little or big, it Feels believable that Reed would do it, but with Bob, i don’t know, it just feels wrong

Amazing video as always. I would also like to add to the whole "it's just a kids movie" thing. Just because a movie is "kid-friendly" doesn't make it "a kids movie". For example The Incredibles is a pretty "kid-friendly" movie, but it's not made strictly for kids. There's aspects of the movie adults would enjoy much more than a kid, but a kid can watch it and get enjoyment from it too. So just because a movie is "kid-friendly", it doesn't mean it's made for kids.

This made me realize how bad the writing was in this movie and how it retconned the whole narrative of the first movie.

The original incredibles existed in a cleverly constructed world that was a satire of super hero comics. It's cleverness was all about sending up super hero tropes that we all recognized. Incredibles 2 had none of that.

I'm very proud of you, your toy story reviews were one of the most entertaining videos I've seen in youtube, I'm from a latin american country and grew up watching animated movies; watching your videos not only make me value more the films that marked my childhood but also practice my english skills, thank you so much.

Just wanted to thank you for having an entire section dedicated to nitpicks and "it's just a kid's movie" argument. It helped clear a lot of things for me, and I'm sure it did for other people as well!

"If I were to create an incredibly detailed analysis breaking down how amazingly well-written The Incredibles is for 5 hours..." DO IT

I'm only now finishing the intro and can I just say that your editing is amazing. Like the way you wrote the script and your delivery is already fantastic, but the way you align your words with fitting shots from the movie (like from 4:03-4:14 ) is a really entertaining touch. Super stoked to watch the rest of this

I too felt like Violet throwing her mask on the ground was incredible idiotic and out of character for her. We know she’s young and still has growing to do but that scene seemed way too extreme for her.

you forgot to mention the REAL sequel to the Incredibles which is a video game called The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer. it takes place directly after the movie where mr. incredible and frozone team up to take down the underminer. Sadly the family does not get to appear much in the game it mostly leaves the heavy work to Mr. incredible and frozone

They could've give Evelyn's name a small backstory. That she changed her name after her father's death because it's based on a superhero. Or her other gripe with heroes is because her father's declined mental health he can recall perfectly clear about superheroes but not about his children. Or/And their company almost got bankrupt if it weren't for her but her father still praises heroes because Evelyn used heroes technology to invent new technology. So in a way it is the opposite of villain's goal/mentality from the first movie.

And I hate how stupid Bob is just to make Helen look better and make Helen less smart and morally minded while making Bob more civilly minded and smart

Finally someone is tearing this movie apart. When I left the theater and everyone praised it, I thought I crazy in thinking it sucked. It feels like the first movie didn’t happen. So disappointing. But like you said in your Toy Story 4 review, I can’t really be mad at the people working on this film as it’s release date was suddenly moved up a year. I just pretend that it doesn’t exist just like with TS4

The thing I hate the most besides spamming Jack-Jack and the lame, predictable villain is everyone's regression as a character. Violet: Goes from coming out of her shell, showing her full face and even taking the baton when Tony gets nervous asking her out. But then Tony forgets her and she's back to being a depressed sourpuss but with angry outbursts. It's like the first movie never happened. Dash: An essential part of defeating the Omnidroid and learning that he doesn't have to be the center of attention, is now Jack-Jack's babysitter who can't do math. Bob: Learns that his glory days as the most important guy in the room are done, and gladly embraces being the patriarch of an amazing family of talented people while becoming less self-absorbed. Now he and Helen switched places I guess and he's incredibly jealous of his wife to the point where he acts like a teenager who's upset that his girlfriend is better at baseball than he is. Helen: I can't say she's regressed as a character, she just switched roles with Bob. Neat I guess. I was expecting this movie to be later in time, like maybe Dash is a freshman Jack-Jack's like a third grader and Violet's in college and we can see how everyone's roles and opinions about being supers have evolved or changed. But nope we literally start right where the first movie leaves off and everyone's given an excuse to be the exact same character they were the first time. No lessons learned, no growth, no changes, just the exact same people we all know and love. Also, "She normally doesn't drip like this" - Mr. Incredible talking about his daughter to her crush. How did that line make it past everyone?

Remember when that mole guy decided to declare war on peace and happiness? And then he robbed a bank and was never seen again? The whole movie is just wasted potential after wasted potential

Your editing style of using scenes of the content to express feelings about aspects of the content, reminds mod of Mauler Keep up the good work

I remember talking to a colleague about ideas for this movie, and from the top of my head it should be about the parents learning how to deal with their kids growing up, becoming more independent and a less arrogant. I know it's a stretch, but I wish they could meet super heroes from all over the world in a competition or something. The message should be everyone has something to learn with each other because they're a big family. But nope! Incredibles 2 talks about women in charge? Matriachy? Men having no idea how to be a father? Wtf do the Incredibles have anything to do with this? It's horribly bad and boring. I remember Mr Incredible looked like the biggest loser ever, a complete needy idiot. So disappointing.

38:11 the baby Carrier would be a 100% better than the stroller and could bring Jack-Jack to be closer to the fight letting the family fight together again and even win so really affecting how this story could play out a little different and probably better

I am amazed.....stunned at the amount of work that you put into this video. You have to be (hands down) the best Animation Editorialist on RU-vid (and I mean that!)!!

36:05 - The most unexpected moment, but it had me laughing my head off because of how perfectly relevant it was both as a visual to tie to the movies you were discussing as well as the relevancy to the conversation that was actually being discussed. Bravo. 👏👏👏

This video essay is too perfect and really clearly illustrates what I would NEVER be able to do. Forever, I have wanted to pick apart the 2nd movie and just haven't been able to on the level and to the degree you have. Kudos, truly. This is an incredible video. Thank you for making this!

I actually wanna talk about the deavor backstory for a bit- and how I think this movie could have been improved. When I first saw the scene, and saw that the guy called the superhero’s when there was a bank robbery after they were made illegal, I thought the reason why they didn’t pick up was because they were killed by syndrome. I feel like that would be so much sadder if they didn’t pick up because they were dead, and not because they simply weren’t allowed to. This brings me to a point that I think should have been focused on more. Since so many of these superhero’s got murdered, why not try to focus on that part of it? Maybe have it be more existential and ask what’ll happen if they’re the last superhero’s? And to people who say like “woah, don’t you think that’s a bit dark for a family friendly movie?” Avatar the last airbender touched on this topic multiple times, and with several different characters. Hama being one of the last waterbenders of the southern tribe, the dragons almost being hunted to exctincyion, and of course, aang’s people and nations completely being wiped out. And the show was TV-Y7. Meaning it’s for 7 year olds.

About Violet's New Move, I think there's one slight argument that could be made. While Incredibles 2 picks up immediately after the first movie, the Underminer attack was clearly 3 months after the Parr house blew up, as proven by the fact that when we get to the track meet scene at the end of the first movie, it says "3 Months Later." So maybe, just maybe Violet was practicing that new move during those 3 months.

The writers’ desire for a female-centric lead in Helen is what doomed this movie. Everyone wanted to see the Incredibles kick ass as a family unit, but apparently girl power was more important.

"Just because it's made for kids doesn't mean it has to be made stupid, because kids surely are not dumb" Pretty sure I quoted it wrong, but the point still stands ☝️

The firs time I watched the incredible 2, I felt like it was empty or lacking something. After watching the first one like 3 times to figure out why (not all at once), I came to realize it was because of the very human like struggles that the characters faced (mainly Bob). For the sequel, Helen just doesn’t do it as much for me. Even though not as intuitive as Bob’s first trail, in the sequel I find him a heck of a lot more entertaining than Helen. And like, 60-70% of the movie is about her. She doesn’t have as much as an emotional hook as bob, and thus makes me feel like I wasted time. That’s the main reason I find the sequel less memorable or thrilling.

Elastigirl being the main 80% focus protagonist in this film was crap considering the previous film was pretty much a 55% focus on Mr. Incredible

Honestly, your "Dude, you can criticize the logic in ANY movie!" is something every critic of MauLer needs to see. His critics really do not understand what nitpicking means.

I think Helen should have simply pointed out that Violet's powers are the most conductive to protecting Jack-Jack, and afterwards have the family form a plan as to what to do if in a battle and Jack-Jack is with them.

21:40 - 21:57 Ironically, there's actually a deleted scene to explain how Lucius/Frozone manages to get there. It was basically a similar scene to scene when the Omni-droid attacks the city and the whole "WHERE'S MY SUPERSUIT?!?!" in the original. Except this time, the audience would get to see Lucius's wife. But Brad Bird claims that they chose to take it out because, "A. We stayed away from the big action scene TOO LONG and kill the momentum. And B. We believed that the off-camera-ness of not showing Lucius's wife was meant to be part of the joke." OK, so I could understand point B. But with point A, considering what you've pointed out in the past 10 minutes, I doubt any momentum was being killed. The creators could've simply had Lucius witness the attack and trying to get his suit and nothing would have been changed much. Edit: I hope in your next parts of your analysis, you bring in the director’s commentary like you did for Toy Story 4 to see if Brad Bird is turning into Josh Cooley.

Third rewatch of this series and damn. That beginning is such a strong start that I am convinced you could sell me used socks and make them sound like a quality product

I’m having a really hard week, and I wanted to say that this and your TS4 videos have helped me immeasurably. And I haven’t even seen either of the movies you’re talking about, so I’m just going “oh god no they didn’t really desecrate my beloved characters that way, DID THEY” right along with you. Thanks!!! I think.

The Rise of the Underminer video game is the real Incredibles 2.

Well, in defense of the old suits being able to survive explosions, Bob old suit got slashed, yes, but Edna states it was made from MegaMesh and she was impressed that he managed to open such a large cut into it, so the suit is super resistant, and that cut did send alert Edna to Bob secret job, thats why she called Hellen, because in no way Bob suit got a cut that large just by him doing Normal day2day activities. Still unlikely that they managed tl rummnage their suits from all the debris tho.

Actually, the stroller thing might actually not be a nitpick because could change the first act (partially) if Helen had the... baby backpack at all times. And probably make it a bit safer for Jackjack while the family is stopping a 3 story sized drill that is rampaging in the city.