DC International & the aborted audio cassette format war 

The puppets at the end did a really good job at explaining the nonsense that are RU-vid -copyright- Content ID claims.

Mentions another obscure audio format "I have a box of tapes and a player I'll show you sometime..." - YES! :)

Just when you think Techmoan has presented every imaginable video/audio medium ever being out there, he surprises us with yet another one. I had never heard of this. Great video!

Taking people's chip money, that's pretty heinous.

In an alternate universe Phillips had the only casette format, putting themselves in a stronger position to demand Sony pay licensing fees, so Sony... made their own format. And in that universe Techmoanenstein has just put up a video about the obscure and forgotten "compact casette" format that was only sold for a few years in the 60's.

RU-vids "content match" thing really gets under my skin. I once uploaded a vlog of a drive around town, and a year later, the video was claimed. My heinous crime: The FM radio in the car was on at low volume. So even with the engine noise, the wind noise, and my dialogue, over the faintly audible, barely intelligible music, They claimed my video.. I took my video down. Edit for typo..

Sony, the king of proprietary formats that are encumbered by high fees didn't want to pay licensing. No kidding.

I just love the puppet show at the end.

*Pronunciations* Baka Kafka "Wisse" is pronounced with the 'i' from 'it' and an 'e' at the end from 'one' Jochem Bonarius By the way, Wisse is pronounced wis-eh. (Wis like wizz, but with an s sound) Jasper Janssen Wisse, pronounce as in Whistle but without the l. René Didden Mr. Dekkers name is pronounced as the word "whistle" but without the 'l' sound between the s and the 'e' EDIT: And his surname is 'Dekker' rather than 'Decker' Hairy Weasel 15:18 Wis-SUH Decker, with a short i like in 'with'. Yoshibro26 It's teldec, not teledec KooriShukuen But nobody pointing out it's Ohga, not Ogha? Huh. Joran Wisse is pronounced Wis-eh, if that makes sense. Dan Data Think it was Teldec not Teledec :) Daniel Smedegaard Buus The mispronounciation of "the" is becoming more prevalent on this channel. Not worthy of an unsubscribe, but definitely annoying and strange. Bertje Be27 Mr Deckers name is pronounced: wis (as in WISdom) sè (as in SEntence) Neil Forbes And it wasn't "Tele-Dec" it was "Teldec". nematube I believe the Dutch pronunciation of the name resembles the German. In IPA: Wisse [ ˈvɪsə ]. Not: [ ˈwaɪ̯si ]. So, the "W" is like the English "v", the "i" is like in "it", the "e" is like in "one" when the "e" is extra emphasized. :) Maico The i in Wisse is pronounced as in Fish Ni5ei Wisse is pronounced Whissuh (the u being pronounced like in "under") Tom F loch in german is pronounced lorr. Great video. greggv8 There's only two E's in TELDEC. Clive Pearsall Is it not' Teldec' (tell-deck), as opposed to Teledec (Telly-deck)? Wilfred Swinkels Wisse Decker sounds like wis uh Decker :-) Kyle Eames It’s not ogre, it’s Ōga. 大河 Lorin Petitpierre tiny detail : Einloch, should be pronounced EinloRRR (Ein Loch in German means One Hole)... :D Christopher Noel Techmoan: Are you agreeing with Yoshibro26, or disagreeing? You've both written the exact same thing including spelling (capitals aside) "It's teldec, not teledec" I personally heard you pronounce it 'teledec', but I wasn't going to say anything since I knew nothing about the topic. ... I guessed. Where the extra 'e' was coming from, I don't know, but it was definitely pronounced several times in the audio despite it clearly being spelled 'Teldec'. My point was that Yoshibro26 and Techmoan wrote the exact same thing. I even checked Yoshibro26 's comment to see if it had been edited. ndrew_koala @Techmoan 03:56 You are INCORRECTLY saying TELEDEC when it is TELDEC .. Take a closer look. And also it is 0 ZERO NOT O - EVEN THE SHAPE of the character IS NOT IDENTICAL. One is a letter and the other is a numeral. You have been successfully brainwashed by people who only knew O from the days when the zero did not exist on type writers --- This is how easily you and most other people are very easily mentally manipulated. Besides all of that I studied Electronics and Electro-Mechanical Engineering in the mid 1960's until December 1969 whilst with PHILIPS. In 1970 I enlisted in the Military, where I served for 18 years. It is critical, and I know as a licensed Pilot since age 16 and a Licensed Radio Operator that it is critical to know differentiate between Letters and Numbers when dealing with Alpha-Numeric sequences. Otherwise serious communication errors are inevitable. It is not difficult to get it right after brain adjustment getting over the indoctrination you received by ignorant teachers. Other that that your presentation is quite good, with good cadence. Andrew_koala @nematube You are 100% correct. So everyone TAKE NOTE. Reply Andrew_koala @Stp666 I pointed this out this error in pronunciation in a comment above, before I arrived at your comment. The Rolling Troll (Wisse as in 'piss', with the 'eh' behind it like you did. Fun fact: "wissen", pretty much pronounced the same, means "to erase". So there you go. Even his name was magnetic). Pk Jess20 Also wouldn't he be Mr. Norio?

An interesting addendum to the topic: In Hungary at the time when the introduction of the cassette was impending, a factory of open reel tape recorders (named BRG, Radio- technology Factory of Budapest) thought that a combo device would help the public's switchover from open reels to cassettes. So they developed the device, the M11. But at the start of development it was not sure, which of the rival formats would be the winner: DC International or the Philips Compact Cassette. So, the prototype was developed for the Grundig standard! They already shown it, there were promo material issued which included this model, but then the chief engineer learned at a conference that Philips will start a partnership with Sony so he thought this will be the future format, and decided to change the design to include the Compact Cassette format - and this is how at the end the machine was mass produced. I found only a low quality drawing at Radiomuseum where the prototype is shown, but I remember as a child I've read this story in some books about tape recorders history. Here's a link to the device at radiomuseum: www.radiomuseum.org/r/budapesti_m11m_1.html on one of the small pictures there is the prototype's drawing which clearly shows the DC cassette (and even mentioned in the caption)

>credits start to roll wait? There's 5 minutes left? His credits aren't that long? YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?! :D PUPPET TIMEEEEEEEEE

Last summer, completely by chance, I had a chat with a fella selling an Elcaset deck at a flea market and he mentioned that Grundig had their own cassette system back in the day, so I've been waiting for you to get around to covering that :D

Imagine that weird parallel universe were everybody used DC cassettes and Video2000, grandpa is arguing that his Tefifion is still superior and junior listens to music on his new Gmini 400.

OMG THE PUPPETS ARE BACK!!!! I LOVE THEM SO MUCH

I am afraid we are going to have to demonetize you at 22:36 for using a sound sample of Windows XP you clearly do not have ownership of.

"Yoko, you are not taking my chippy tea" 💀

Interestingly that Rolling Stones cassette is indeed their first album (self-titled "The Rolling Stones), but with additional two songs, that were released only as singles and not on the actual album.

I got confused with the Rolling Stones album. I thought the track listings were making a sentence: "I just wanna make love to you, honest I do, Mona, now I've got a witness"!

Fish n Chips: The REAL happy ending.

DC International sounds like a late 80s/early 90s soul/dance band. or you know, a comic company. It's a bit of an odd name for an audio medium.

Mat is auditioning for a job doing the weather forecast. Shame they don't have the magnetic clouds any more.

I enjoyed the end with the copyright issue you're having with 11sec of song. I'm hearing a lot about these issues channels are having with RU-vid. Carry on Techmoan. I enjoy your channel and recommend to people often.

PCC and DCI, easy, even if they sound like ranks in the police force... :P And careful, Microsoft may claim copyright on the Windows98 Tada.wav... :P

It makes me think of the S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) connection.

Time goes by so quickly I was born in late 70s growing up in 80s and 90s cassettes where best thing ever for yours play list those times where more magical!Nowadays can you even buy a CD???? It's nothing special today when you can get everything online, don't get me wrong it's super but at the same time all magic is gone 😢

Hey Matt. Thank you again for making the public discover another totally unknown format. And I also like your conclusion : closed licenced formats are made to die and the history is full of them. Compact Cassette free licenced with Sony : huge success. VHS Licenced by JVC to other makers : big success. CD shared between Philips and Sony : huge success. Closed formats like Betamax, V2000, DC International : failures.

loved the analogue powerpoint presentation :D

I think the reason Grundig logo was crossed out and replaced with Telefunken is that they had a Grundig compact cassette player in another room or something. So it's a Grundig tape, but not for Grundig machine. My great-grandmother's vinyl and shellac records were all labeled by hand with respective gramophone/turntable brands (by my father, presumably), so she wouldn't mix them up.

Was watching a documentary on Concord... Saw Techmoan has new audio format video..... Easiest choice I've ever made 😂

laughed at the puppet show... Phabulous >_

2:20 wow, that was an impressive presentation. At first I thought "is he gonna green screen that board and add stuff on it digitally?" But nah, our dude is using practical effects instead of CGI! :D

The way RU-vid handles copyright disputes is terrible. I've had similar issues.

Man those Fish in Chips look delicious.

the dry erase board bit needs intertwining yarn between the formats and companies you know, for simplicity's sake...

Once you started playing Take Five at 8:30, I immediately thought of The Secret Life of Machines. I would love to see you and Tim Hunkin in a video together. BTW I’m from the United States. I loved watching that show.

Yes - It was not until the high bias tape was developed that the fidelity of cassettes was good enough for them to be marketed as music format recorders.

I prefer the Marvel International cassette.

That "Take Five" sounded pretty good on the machine.

Copper screws? I need that.

It's hilariously ironic that compact cassette - the format that would become associated with copying and recording off the radio - was itself copied!

The Rolling Stones' title is in German. They pronounce 'ph' as 'f'.

Great band name: Thieving Dead Beatles

Yay! Chips, Fish and Gravy!

LOVE YOUR VIDEOS Mr Techmoan :-) 10/10!

Oh no, Dad's broken out the whiteboard again.

I think Grundig's decision was about tape speed. There must have been research that made 2 Inch/Sec the minimum required for the frequency response necessary for music, given the magnetic tape and head technology available at the time. Philips was initially not able to reach the fidelity and playback time necessary for music, inside the Compact Cassette. I suspect that if thinner tape technology had been available, Philips would have settled on a higher tape speed from the onset. Improvements in both the magnetic density on the tape itself as well as more effective heads lead to the Compact Cassette becoming suitable for music playback and recording, negating the necessity for higher tape speed.

The way the Einloch-Kassette works is exactly the way an LTO data tape works today. I guess that they use this design for LTO. Lol shame LTO is so expensive for home users.

That end tho :D

Its funny how this video switches finally to philosophy. How a small, concidered unimportant thing/format changed the things to come. Thank you very much for letting me think about that!

Grundig equipment looks so stylish, at least the radios and players I've been able to see.

The "Take Five" you played as a demonstration was playing too slowly. Was it just the tape stretched due to age or the device running slow?

You have one of the best channels on all of RU-vid in my opinion. Google has a near monopoly and yet they hassle you about 11 seconds of music. Damned fools. Keep up the great work!

DC International sounds like a Eurovision entry

Another great bit of historical knowledge! Single-reel tape cartridges have had a long and successful existence for computer data backup. The DLT and LTO tape standards have spanned at least a 25 year period. Now, can you find an obscure digital audio format based on these? :)

As listening to this video I am actually sitting exactly in the old phillips facility in austria.

This cross-licensing agreement between Sony and Philips paved the way for their later collaboration on another pivotal audio format - the Compact Disc. Both Sony and Philips had begun developing digital disc formats in the '70s, and both had encountered difficulties. When they pooled their resources, they were quickly able to overcome those issues well before any potential rival formats got out of the lab.

Gravy on fish and chips lad! Thumbs down, unsubbed etc. ;)

I love this channel so much and I woke up early and found this . Awesome cassette alternative

As i heard from my father a few times until the (late?) 60's here in the Netherlands there where area's that still had 110v (or 125v) in stead of 220/230v. I think it's plausable that the multivoltage from this device is not only for use in the USA but also in that time to use in other country's with different voltage.

Gravy on your chips is indicative of just how Northern you are. Also the battered sausage commentary was perfect!

hello techmoan, long time sub, you have saved me from boredom a dozen times. youre my favorite youtuber , such a wonderful guy you. thanks for all the company over the years and looking forward to more

I enjoyed this video very much, because I am a great fan of compact cassette. I was there when they first came out, and I owned one of the first Japanese model cassette recorders, the Aiwa TP707. But for me, as great as the video is, it is the puppets who had an excellent point (leave it to puppets to get it right). Bravo, Puppets! RU-vid Content ID really is a problem. It is ironic that RU-vid will go after any content provider in the name of anyone making any dubious claim about content. There are copyright trolls who claim ownership of public domain music, and RU-vid does NOTHING to stop them, instead they attack content providers! We all know the horror stories. I realize that RU-vid is a private organization and this isn't about free speech or any of that. But it IS about treating people - who make the bread and butter for RU-vid -- badly. I think this is why so many RU-vid contributors are going for Patreon. The support they garner is beyond RU-vid's control, and YT can't get any of that action - not that they don't try with their own version of "sponsorship". Still it is a pity that RU-vid behaves so badly in this regard. RU-vid DOES provide a wonderful service for the viewer. But WHY do it at the cost of the content provider. Maybe it's the threat of lawsuits? What if RU-vid content providers formed a class action suit as well as the music and film companies? RU-vid would scramble to avoid THAT scenario. They understandably don't want to get sued. It must be a nightmare for them. But, running a business on fear isn't the smartest business plan, is it? SMH!

Another fun story, recalled by Lou Ottens who was instrumental in the development of the Compact Cassette: When Philips initially showed off the CC to Sony, Ogha had his amplifier cranked all the way up and when they went on to play the tape for a demonstration, the hiss pretty much filled the room, to Philips' dismay, fearing that that had left a bad impression!

The amount of obscure formats that came out just because some companies acted like spoiled childs not wanting to share or doing team work is absurd, but at least they help make awesome Techmoan videos. P.D: RU-vid Copyright is getting ridiculous.

Good you got your fish and chips !

RU-vid content policy is a sad capitalist joke

Thank God that the ghost of Lenin got his monies, the Soviet people need that sandwich after what he did to their country.

At 00:42 you wrote "Apparently the "DC" in 'DC International stands for "Double Cassette. The 'International' was to make it sound like *an* Worldwide standard."

Great timing, was just thinking that I had nothing interesting to watch today!

The lesson is, threatening to go with a competitor is a good way to get a good deal. So rather than simply leaving the EU, Britain needs to create its own version of the EU and sign the rest of Europe up to it, or at least say they will if their relationship with the EU is unsatisfactory.

Everytime belgium is mentioned in any youtube video, it put a smile on my face

The Stones Mono songs are 'fantastic', their best work. I was given a small Phillips machine just like your small one, in about 1966, I used to record music off Radio Luxemburg.

I said it before and I'll say it again: THAT INTRO!

As always your videos inspire a web search. Apparently Norio Ogha was asked by Sony co-founder Masaru Ibuka to design a portable stereo cassette player for travel purposes. This would eventually go on sale in 79 as the Sony Walkman. Would the Walkman have been as successful with the oversized DC International Cassette? Great video once again. Enjoyed the extra content at the end as well.

I'm Grundig and I have the power to change* the market with my own format I'm Sony and I have the power to change* the market with my own format I'm [Write here your favourite big big big company] and I have the power to change* the market with my own format *Change = monopolise

Good example of why copyrights should ONLY exist while the artist is alive AND only for a limited period (5-10 years). This forever copyrighted idea is completely nuts! Dead people don't make new works. Even John.

DC, the mirror universe version of CD.

You wondered that if the DC International had been successful what would we have called them and cassettes respectively... I imagine they would have probably been called DC(I) and CC for short, though that's just a Finnish young mans thoughts on it, but i really feel like they would make sense... I imagine a conversation in the alternate world where DCI was successful would go something like this: "So, the Rolling Stones new album came out LP, DC and CC and i got the LP. Wanna come over and listen?" "No thanks, i bought the DC album and have been listening to it in my car, and i have to say, i'm not liking it as much as the last album..." But yeah, i feel like DC and CC or maybe DCI and CC for the sake of clarity could have been viable shortenings of the names...

That‘s the dilemma of the 21. century. Destroy the industry to protect the environment, destroy the internet to protect the content creators. Flippin‘ eck, do I feel protected. Anyway, marvelous job as usual, Mat!

Was so happy to see the puppets - sorry to see it was such a "real" subject this time. I've been creating RU-vid videos for about a year, so far no issues but I live in fear of this all the time. Totally bullshit they can take ALL revenue when, as you said, 99.8% of the video had NOTHING to do with that song. Glad you were able to "fix" it by working around the system.

Oy blin, I haven't been THIS early!!

Philips and Sony relation is a weird one... throw Nintendo in there... we get the Super Nintendo add-on the Playstation and the Philips CD-i. Both were working with Nintendo for a CD Add-on but like before, Sony wanted almost all sales of Disc. Nintendo backed out, Philips made the CD-I after canceling the Add-on (internally made some horrible Zelda games), and we got a Sony Playstation, which is still a thing ;)

Since the FF doesnt lock when pressed, it could indicate that you can FF while the PLAY button is down.

I know this is an old thread, but I think it might be theoretically possible to 3D print the cassette shells and I think (speculation) that either a conventional HQ 60 min tape stock would work. OR, there is a cassette stock that might be better. That stock is the Coleco Adam High Speed tape cassettes. Note: They were designed for much higher speeds due to them being the primary storage system for the Adam. Also it is essentially audio tape. So, with a higher quality Adam Cassette tape donor for the stock and a 3D printed Grundig Cassette shell, it's possible to create blank tapes for this system. That might give Techmoan the additional tapes for the player. Now admittedly it's a bit complex due to the 3D printing, but the tape stock, the little pads, and some fine tuning should yield a decent repro.

I love chips and gravy. I love fish and chips. But fish, chips and GRAVY. Surely tartae sauce in that combo!

Ironically, all of the German brands (Blaupunkt, Grundig and Telefunken) all became the complete property of Philips.

"Wisse" is pronounced with the 'i' from 'it' and an 'e' at the end from 'one'

It's interesting how, as consumers, most of the time monopolies are bad for us and we like choice, but sometimes they're exactly what we want, as in most format wars where competitors fall away leaving one clear winner. Although there's plenty of choice of audio file types (wav, flac, mp3, aac, mqa, etc). Convenience probably has something to do with it.

16:38 Wait, Sony and Philips? Didn't they end up creating a massively-popular videogame console together?

I think the DC International actually has the better recording protection in some regards. For pre-recorded titles, you could manufacture a tape without any holes at all. That would keep people from overwriting pre-recorded tapes unless you physically drilled the holes. Of course, for blank tapes, you still have the problems mentioned if you want to record protect it.

There was small, family run limonade factory in Poland named John Lemon. Guess what happened to them?

8:24 Sounds like something from the Brit show " The Secret Life of Machines " ( A really great program I might add be sure to look it up )

PHILIPS still exists? here in Brazil it went bankrupt a long time ago, such a big company went bankrupt, regrettable

RU-vid's copy protection content matching system is a joke. About half of the channels I watch have been hit by this in the last 3 months for some ridiculous reason or other.

Japanese companies seem to love to do this. They start two branches in two different countries. Tell neither of them that the other exists. Force them to figure out something new. One that has a hit. Well, they survive and go on to making lots of money for the parent company. Or if you have the flip side. You had companies like Sega who opened a Branch in the US. Yet there was this rivalry of some sort between the two for whatever reason. Instead of agreeing on some new product. They end up making two separate products and end up causing the company to nearly go bankrupt. All because the Parent Company did not like what their child company's ideas....even though they knew the market. Now I know other markets out there do this. It is not some Japanese thing. So do not get all uptight. Just two examples I noted.

Thanks for pointing out that the compact cassette was developed in Belgium and not in the Netherlands.

Grundig made excellent speakers.. small wooden ones but damn they were heavy for 8 inchers

Imagine all the formats living in peace, you might say I'm a dreamer...,...

i feel ya on the copyright crap that youtube has been pulling for years now. its really bad when its claimed on classical music that has been played by virtually every orchestra but for some reason one thinks that its from their particular performance. or i had a case where a song from an old video game was matched to the first 30 seconds of a brazilian metal band's song who literally just copied that song for the beginning of one of theirs.

I'm all for artists getting paid, but to take all the money for a few seconds of audio is outrageous.