DCS: F15C Eagle vs 6 Mig-29s MADDOG Amraams 

Just wondering whether this fight could have been pulled off in an F/A-18. Would it have been a harder fight?

you are the goat bro

thank you man, I appreciate the kind words. I like to go back sometimes and watch how bad these videos were, kind of nice to see where the channel started from sometimes lol.

thanks zack. much appreciated.

Yo buddy, still alive?

none none thanks buddy.

Love that show! Imagine the episodes they could do with the help of DCS!

@@bmbpdk I wouldn't be surprised if Dogfights ever got a reboot in the future and yes, it would be great if DCS played a part of that too!

lol that Dogfights show was hilarious. So over the top. I kept expecting the narrator to say " Fuck..yeah" to end every sentence

Except here they do it right. You'd never hear the narrorator compliment anything not american.

welcome to the channel, yes its very complex but once you get the hang of it its very rewarding. takes a lot of patience and learning tho.

glad you found it useful man thanks for watching

MyCatInABox thank you brother I'm glad ur enjoying the videos and thanks for letting me know gives me motivation to continue making more

this is the F-15C, only the F-15E (developed in the 1980s or something) is 9X capable

@@devnandannair2336 lmao. i one billion percent promise you that a C model can fly an aim-9x. the F-15C was the lead plane when the aim-9x was released way back in late 2003. i would know, i was there, hauling and loading aim-9x on to trailers for the pesky loaders on the flightline at eglin afb.

Wokepedia say: "The AIM-9X entered service in November 2003 with the USAF (lead platform is the F-15C)..."

@@user-fw2dd2cy3c yeh, like i said, i was literally there doing the job.

thanks Wesley. glad you enjoyed it.

thanks luka will do brother

Ronald - My little brother just retired from Air Force as a Chief Master Sergeant. He was an aircraft maintainer and led aircraft maintenance teams for many years. He has lots of great stories like yours above. He mentioned how morale fell during the Obama regime. Not surprising when your CINC has zero respect for your nation's history and the sacrifices (past and current) made by our servicemen. Many heartfelt thanks for your service!!!

Ronald Mills When you got six guys trying their best to kill you it’s a small price to pay for a pilot to help the CFs!

Emil Beaird thanks Emil. U da man

hah thanks man. u chaff against semi and active radar and u flare against IR homing. I have a tutorial on this if ur interested check it out. the amount doesnt matter, u just dispense until u decoy the missile, sometimes 2 flares will do it, sometimes 20. same for chaff.

@@GrowlingSidewinder hm...i usually shoot both chaff and flare. you never know and can never be too careful. after all the price of a flare is nothing compared to a dent by an IR snake. a simple rule I used to follow is flares and chaff are like condoms: better shoot them when you don't need them then need them and not have them...or something along that line

Alexandre you can email me at xxxxxxxxxxx let me once u have that email written down i want to delete it from here once u got it.

ok done ! very appreciated thx you !

pitbull? is an active radar missile that has gone active, and no longer requires input from the launch aircraft.

thank you

the painjobs are made by the community, anyone can download them and install free of charge.

@@GrowlingSidewinder Any ace combat skins? I would love to shoot people down as a purple flowered F-14. Lol

thank u glad u enjoyed it

which is so weird cuz i've seen the AI drop their tanks in an inverted turn lol.

Really? Maybe I'm doing that wrong also!

www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2671854/

Tomyfamily 18 it's called the "scat" fictional Vietnam era skin. Quick google search should bring it up.

My favorite fighter of all time is the F-4 and when I saw the thumbnail I instantly recognized that paint scheme. I'd never thought of an F-15 painted that way but upon seeing it I thought it looked amazing!

Carlos Agatón I agree. I think the f15 looks sweet in that skin.

turns out u don't even need to override in american planes its russian only, if the amraam doesn't track anything its cuz u didnt fire it accurately enough such that its seeker sees something

if u mean firing ur aim9 at him while u pop flares while defending his heatseeker and he wouldnt notice the sidewinder come off you and head to him cuz hes watching the flares? the smoke from the sidewinders launch is significant enough for the first few seconds that he would deff notice it. especially if he had eyes on you.

Ok, thanks. You understood me correctly, just didn't know if it was a practical tactic to use with the idea of getting a missile off unnoticed.

ktcd1172 haha ya no problem. Unfortunately not. Good effort tho mate

I had this issue when I was starting out, practice makes it easier, and also if theyre getting close don't be afraid to fire them like this video, launch authorization override and drop them like maddogs. just make sure theres no friendlies. lol. but ya its all about practice. it use to take me minutes to target with TWS now it takes me seconds. you need a good understanding of radar so you can pick them up farther away from you and thus give yourself more reaction time. thanks for the support as always katsu.

Thanks a lot!

ur most welcome brother

why would you still rely on TWS in BVR? Even F-15 has a HUD feature to lock and shoot AIM-9s and 7s without pointing its microwave oven at the enemy. :) Not to mention that in BVR almost all other planes are at a disadvantage when it comes to lock and shoot compared to the SHLEM and the very off-bore angle the R-73 can look at and lock a target. But one thing I do agree with GS - overriding the launch authorization is a cool feature, gives you quite an edge. A human can predict I think a little better when a target will close the beam of a missile than most targeting computers. They're tuned for 90%+ PK (probability of kill) and that's just silly. In close quarters you have to shoot in the blind if you want to hit something. Pretty straight game theory: don't follow the rules if you want an edge

Thanks for asking, Denis-san, In fact, I still don't know the eligibility of each radar mode. When I flew Falcon 4, I knew the velocity search mode is no good for a real combat. TWS is available in F-16, F-15 and F-18, So I just wanted to see if it's good or bad. As you said, long range radar mode may be not just practical unless you have a real 'fire and forget' missile like AIM-54. I think that AIM-120 is still not an all mighty enough for a BVR. You still have to fly ahead to the enemy for a while after shoot one and often you'll find yourself are getting in a vulnerable range while you are guiding a missile. As you say, if the AIM-120 or AIM-7 has that practical mode for real combat, you should use it. Some of the GS's video shows us that if your oppornent has a BVR missile equally capable with your AIM-120, it's gonna be ended up in suicide for both. 1:1 kill ratio is no good for real war. That's why US and Japan are going to pay a tons of money for stealth fighter. Wait a minutes, if the opponent is a same stealth fighter, you can't fire missile until opponent is in a visual range. Huum, you need a 20 mm in your pocket all the time. Again thanks for you comment and I'll try fight as you told me. All the best, Katsu

Captain Icelandair hahah little mistake on my part

i dont want to down play the abilities of the mig29, I've been killed several times by mig29s never even saw it coming. under the right pilot the mig29 can be a deadly aircraft.

@@GrowlingSidewinder I think they have incredibile mechanical performance.

Styx Metis - Sorry buddy but the Mig 29 in real life isn't a match for even older US fighters like the F-15, F-16 or the F-18C. I was in the US army for over 10 yrs, but my older brother is a REAL F-15E pilot. The Mig 29 has one of the worst combat records of any modern fighter and when it comes to it's radar and sensors, it is extremely outdated compared to US fighters. Also it bleeds energy very bad and doesn't handle nearly as well as US fighters. But don't feel bad, most civilians or RU-vid experts don't really know what they are talking about when it comes to fighter aircraft and the technology they use.

@@mississippirebel1409 evrybody knows ruskies junks compare to amrrican fighters even their su 57 is not much for f15I

@@mississippirebel1409 Thank you mississipirebel for your outstanding and non biased analysis.

Flame Haze Mithril no that's not called boresight mode. That's called a maddog. Boresight mode is an ACM close range radar target acquisition mode.

r pen only the pros do it. Lol jk my dumbass thought they dropped I messed up.

Luis-Fabiano sorry buddy. No VR here. I really want to get it tho. I held off cuz based on my research the resolution isn't great at distance. And that's obvs very important in dcs. It's already hard enough to see and track targets visually. Just my 2cents Best of luck with ur research man.

Denis Bujoreanu those are all valid points. Thanks for sharing ur 2 cents brother

Valid points until you compared the Eagle with the Mig25 and 31 lol. Being margionally faster doesnt make the 25 or 31 better, nor does it make the Eagle inferior. The west freaked out because they thought the Soviets were making fighters going mach 5-6. When they actually got their hands on the planes the west found them to be hugely inferior. The Mig25 and Mig31 are both shit aircraft with no real utility. They are interceptor aircraft meant for taking out longe range nuclear bombers which are no longer a threat, as opposed to the F15 which is a purpose built air superiority fighter. The only plane the East has that can challenge the F-15 is the Su27, and possibly the new Mig35. And for the record, western pilots have always been better trained. Look at flight hours for Russian pilots vs flight hours for US pilots. Its why the West has always been dominant in aerial warfare since the end of ww2. Not to mention western pilots are the only modern pilots with real combat experience. I'd like to finish with this. When push comes to shove, the F-15 is 102 kills to 0 losses, the F-16 is 76 kills to 1 loss. Meanwhile the Mig25 is 8 kills for 8 losses, the Mig29 is 6 kills for 18 losses, and the Su27 is 6 kills for 2 losses to ground fire. It dont matter who you're flying against, that speaks for itself.

im not sure I totally agree with those stats speaking for themselves man, a lot of those causalities for the migs were middle eastern pilots that were poorly trained. i'm not sure it makes it a credible statistic for the capabilities of the aircraft. once the Berlin wall fell, NATO pilots flying the f18 hornet flew against german pilots who were expert mig29 drivers and they played mock war games where the mig29 scored a 1:1 kill ratio against the american Hornet. I'm not arguing what side is better. I'm simply saying it depends on the pilots abilities, and to judge a plane based on some stats from poorly trained middle eastern pilots isnt fair to the plane. we see the effect when the Iranians flew the f14 tomcat against all kinds of iraqi migs from 1980-88 scoring 159 confirmed kills against everything from a mig29 mig25 mig21 right up to the french mirage and super etendard. does that mean the french planes were also garbage? or is it possible the Iranian pilots were better than the poorly trained iraqi pilots? give those same iraqi planes to those German pilots and I'm willing to bet the tomcat pilots would struggle. again i'm not saying any of u are right or wrong, i'm just saying stats don't tell the whole story.

Hm...I have to give it to you, NATO pilots do get more training hours, not to mention the doctrine they employ is quite different from what Russians use. Remember, I'm from a form eastern-bloc country which is now a NATO member so I think I may have just a wee bit more info on how the training was done and which seems more adequate. But anyways, you do seem to compare apples with pears basically. The eastern-bloc doctrine was primarily defensive when it came to air force use on the battlefield whereas starting with the USAAF way back in WWII with their massive air raids both during day and at night (those were conducted by RAF mostly) which required large bomber formations escorted by fighter squadrons with lots and lots of amo and fuel for point defense against enemy fighters, it's only natural that after the war ended and the jet+missile came into fashion the same mindset to be kept by the, after all, winning side. Now if you look at how the Red Army employed its aircrafts, which granted were and still are somewhat inferior in terms of technology to their western counterparts, you'll see that they relied on defensive approaches rather than sending lots and lots of bombers and fighters to finish off the enemy on the ground. So now you have these two different doctrines and the aircrafts that were designed to enforce them going head to head and you wonder why there is such a difference in number of kills. This is similar to considering that a war can be won by air battles alone. Sadly, the last engagements from the US and their allies in different conflicts where they relied on air power to provide the decisive edge with or without the use of ground power shows that no matter how many JDAMs you drop on your enemy, no matter how many ancient or not so ancient fighters you shoot down there will always be someone left to come out and shoot a MANPAD and take down a multi-million fighter jet with the cost of, pardon my bluntness, a bunch of shepherds trained to operatean Igla. Costwise the more technologically advanced force loses on the long term. Wars are not about fighting fair or in a typical high-noon gunslinging showdowns. It's not the wild west, not anymore anyway. It's about killing the other side, simple and cruel as that. Another aspect which seems to elude folks who do west vs east comparisons is that officially there hasn't yet, and let's hope it stays that way, a full scale conflict between west and east employing all the conventional warfare weapons. There has not been a case of squadrons of F-15s, F-16s, F-18s, A-10s, AWACSes and divisions of M1A2 and Bradley IFVs going against an opposing number of MiG-29s, Su-27s, Su-25s, IL-76s and rows of T-72s and BMPs. If anything, the technological superiority that the west still enjoys in some areas has been negated by tactics on the opposing sides. In war it's not mandatory that the other side play by your rules- remember the F-117 shot down over Serbia in 1999 by a 50s radar which had no chance in hell to acquire a lock for the ancient SA-2 that took it down.. So throwing some stats about number of kills without even a shred of evidence from where those were obtained only to conclude that eastern bloc planes are crap, long live the western supremacy is paramount to ...well...childish stupidity... Yes, the west was paranoid about the soviets building super fast interceptors, that's why they wasted so much money on the F-15 and F-14 programs to begin with. Only to have their fears blown to smoke by the defector, Belenko, who landed that MiG-25 in Japan to have it debunked and stripped down to be catalogued as junk by western standards. Sure, when you compare it to your way of doing things it may look stupid. So was the way soviets built their space ships and stations. Now look who's hitching rides on the Soyuz rockets while the mighty space shuttles are history. Also when slamming eastern tech as junk, might want to read about how was the ISS first considered and what went on when it was designed and constructed. One thing that struck me was a statement made by the russian MIR program director when he learned that the US and UK spent over a billion USD to have a scale model of how the future space station will look like. This guy said: They spent a billion dollars for a model...If I had a billion dollars for my program...Oy, boje moy!!! And in the end I'll quote from a Tom Clancy book about air power: Two soviet tank commanders stop their tanks head to head at the base of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. They open the hatches and admire the view. One asks the other: Say Sash, do you remember who won the air war?

@@GrowlingSidewinder You are right in that generally speaking the pilots are more important than the actual aircraft, but when you have 102-0 K/D it cant just be pilots. Every once in awhile even the worst of pilots can beat the best with some luck. Obviously it is a mix of both skill and technology. For your example with the F/A-18 vs the Mig29, it would be important to add on that the F/A-18 is a multirole strike fighter built mainly for ground support and carrier cover rather than dogfighting. Meanwhile the Mig29 is a Russian light fighter like the American F-16. It was created with the sole focus being on close and dirty aerial dogfighting. It was not a strike aircraft. With this in mind I would say the fact that the F/A-18s got a 1-1 kill ratio was actually really good. In terms of air combat, the Mig29 is definitely superior to the F/A-18, which makes sense according to the roles they fills.

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thought i did. didnt realize

thank you I appreciate that.

dumbass AI mate, thats why I moved to PvP

dudewheres mykeysphone how about some PvP guns only fights? ..... Coming soon buddy

Drvnwolfie be generous with them flares brother.

yeah. next video is you doing the same thing with no flares or Chaff right??

Drvnwolfie haha I'm not thaaat lucky. If I ever pull something like that off I'm gonna go grab a lottery ticket quick.

Better yet. Do that in a HORNET!!!!!!!

LOL

close range, they are not flaring against amraam, they are pre-flaring against possible fox2 launch

@@GrowlingSidewinder I see. It makes sense due to the close range. Thanks.

Never labels brother. Makes it too easy

Haha then do it up in the sky, haha.

Michael Withstand, no offence but can I have some of what you're on? The MiG-29 was literally designed as an inferior yet cheaper and more mass producible alternative to the Su-27 (which was purpose designed to kill the F-15A), it was basically their equivalent to the F-16.

Give you a second to think. This is why America spends more emoeny on military then the next 16 country's COMBINED! Truly insane just like their planes. Just think of the stuff it can do we can't do in dcs because we don't know about it

Because he would have been killed and the video would be less entertaining.

haha thanks man, but no, I'm not a real pilot. I try to just learn all that I can thanks though I appreciate it.

Growling Sidewinder no problem bro it’s just that you have a lot of knowledge in the planes and missiles and stuff. Pretty impressive. Bro. Keep up the great work

ok ok.....good, you mentioned it they wont drop i you are pulling anything less than 1G.....and bank angle also matters and watch your lower left display.....top line on the display are your bags forget what they say when bag is on/off..... but ya

should also be able to fire them with the normal launch button (space iirc) the override is only done on russian jets

kain hall yes bro ur right about everything. But ya ever since this video I've become pretty OCD about my tanks too. U live u learn. I remember flying this mission and thinking god damn I don't remember the f15 being such a fat pig but then I noticed I didn't drop the tanks lol.

ive since added G effects to videos

nice pic

Temyemyez Productions ya I know I say in the video how I thought I did. It's discussed in the tacview lol

Growling Sidewinder mh. You should chceeeck

ahah ya you live you learn brother. I won't make that mistake next time.

american fighters are truly beautiful, my favorite is the f18....the f18 at certain angles looks like the x wing of star wars.

Hackii 007 You clearly know absolutely fucking nothing about military aviation.