DCS: Su-57 Felon Disrespects F/A-18C Hornet in a Dogfight. 

Su57 climbing - gaining speed, drop down, lost it from 1.5 mach to 0.88. Nice fly model.

So G/S, I'm assuming the mod for the Su-57 is based on something like the Su-27 or Su=33 but in order to give it the Su-57 characteristics, the mods will have to tweak certain things such as radar cross-section, thrust vectoring and the only difference is, you end up getting the same FC3 non-clickable cockpit.

Ow yea ok I see in tac it was feisty I thought so .hes such a good pilot but ow man he gotcha good

@@abdulmismail the su-57 has its own flight model and powerplant model

Flying against mods appears kinda pointless to me as none of which are based on reliable data, mostly because they are confidential and/or the lack of reliable sources (pilots, engineers). This usually ends up in arcade style super strengths without any relation to real world physics. In DCS this is easy to manipulate / fake as the flight model is based purely on data tables, not on complex aerodynamic calculations as e.g. in X-Plane.

@@dusankostic7613 ISS Lol. International Space Station

@Mike Gee Russian prolly got education by amies :D Just recall how USA level noob faked post mortem photo of usama bin laden and tried to shill to international society :D Realy bad photoshoping skills :))

Mike Gee bro go be triggered somewhere else

@@gabenewell3955 he wasnt triggered idiot lol

@@dusankostic7613 International Space Station = ISS

lold, ya pretty much

In the eyes of a Su-57: F/A-18C Cockroach.........

@@gort8203 Well I have an excuse for no imagination...... :/

😂😂🤣🤣

@WildBrit777 Cymru it will miss

I thought exactly the same XD

@@NyteStalker89 Watch MAKS footage of the SU-35s and SU-57 , they can pretty much do the same thing IRL.... nose 180 inside of 2 seconds.

@@NyteStalker89 omg... i was waiting for some idiot like you.

that's the power of russian propoganda. If it's too good to be true.. it's definitely not russian.

@@failtolawl is it fucking Soviet? You mean commies were hiding for all that time on the dark side of the moon and build that it? Зыс саундс вэри вэри крэйзи! :)))))

You played to much Ace COMBAT

“He was just toying with them!”

" i got this "

WOOOOOOOOOOO

Nice one dude! :D

👍🏻😂

The names Vector......... Thrust Vector

@le Hoarderz Al-Shekelsteins nani-? BRRRRRRRRRRRT

lold

For a second there, I thought it was fighting an F-22 and I was like "what nah" but in this case, yeah

Except of course the 75 year old woman has been kicking ass for most of a century and the “professional boxer” has never even in a fight, let alone won a fight, and half the time his body doesn’t work and he can’t even get out bed.

@@rifleshooterchannel208 and how exactly do you know that ? The get out of bed part ?

@@rifleshooterchannel208 ohhh salty

I agree, its the best one I think ever given

Idk.... I think the MiG 15's is pretty nice lol

IMO Flanker is way better

A Swarm Of Angry Bees Bruh

The call sign HALO is cool to

It was a pretty sweet move.

Imagening in real life a pilot juat gives up and starts admiring the su 57.

@@harunurrashid5921 I mean, in that situation, what else is there to do other than admire the beauty of whats about to end your life?

@@void8617 admire and eject before you'll be downed

Fair point.

If only it wasn't an unreliable piece of shit in real life

@@morteparla6926 lol who hurt you

@@Star-xx5zr i mean its true lol airframe flies apart mid flight

@@gagewalker770 stop hating.. how many have been made for you to start talking about airframe problems

@@Star-xx5zr Even the F35 has soo many issues. but its not what we focus on

I was thought like you..lol

This was the UFO in that navy video lmaoo

Especially when Su57 is a propaganda product. Russians can't take place of USSR. Just some cartoons ))

Independence day vibes

It happened but the UFO got away and had superior abilities.

1,2

What is TWR?

@@Irfan87 Thrust to weight ratio

@@joe-rt7de Thank you kindly.

Stfu dude

oswalk Romero why so many people down here so mad and triggered

@@osvaldoromeros.7115 Cry more your American plane was no match

STOP stroking his ego

Anyone could beat a Hornet with that broken ass FM

@@jinzhang8241 just fly over the museum it will be reside on, it's an easy kill, lol.

@@jinzhang8241 I hope this is a joke.

@@jinzhang8241 lol even putting off all the p51 or spits bullets on Su57, it might even be able to land back to base

GS in a hornet vs AFP in a hot air balloon traveling at 500 knots

...illuminati confirmed.

Lol

you wont get out, nOt wHen iT dIveS aT 300 kNotS

@@shevanel92 ha ha theres always a hot air balloon 🤣

That God this is just a mod. The Russian's wish they could build something like this. As far as being a closely guarded secret. Hell there probably a US spy running the program. It's just like the 4 top University Heads, we caught last week they caught getting payments from the Chinese.

@@b00stedrust wasn't the cause was russia doesn't want to share it's tech with india? iirc that was also one of the main issue

@@b00stedrust Totally had nothing to do with US and European pressure to not buy Russian at all, right?

agreed, these little mod projects really do add a lot to the community. good work to him.

Eject out of the f18, Hop in an f22 and slaughter the shltsu57

Daredevil wrong. That’s not the point of the f22. You Russian ball garglers have zero clue. The f22 is a stand-off beyond visual range fighter. In the 21st century there is no more traditional dogfighting. Hence why it doesn’t need 3D thrust vectoring and super maneuverability... 99% of “dog fights” take place beyond visual range. Where the f22 and f35 will absolutely SLAUGHTER the su57 with superior stealth and sensors. It’s no contest. Learn how shlt works before you comment!

@Daredevil not even close to do so. Every expert knows that the f-22 will slaughter the su 57... There is no place for your favorite aircraft in the skies.

I once saw interview with F/A-18 veteran pilot. Interviewer asked him, what he will do in dogfight with Su-35... He said "Eject. There's no chances."

Sentar I once saw an interview where a su 57 pilot said he wouldn’t even get in plane if he knew f22s were coming

Because we love fighting.... if we hate fighting... there is no kick boxing, ufc, and boxing.. we love it... and i love it

*THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE*

What.

There’s not enough room in the sky for the SU-57’s infrared signature though.

It'd be cool if we lived in a world where people just built fighters for the hell of it

thank you man much appreciated

This is not real obviously

@@JUFFAIR101 But f 18 is really old it will be reality if they ever meet in a battle

@@ajay9429 Really depends on the pilots given unlike the American counterparts, the Su-57 will not hold your hand and tell you how to do everything. As such, much more comes down to the skill of the pilot themselves than the actual plane but yes, if the two came up against one another with capable enough pilots then the Su-57 would win such every day of the week.

there is alredy a video of that from growling

@@leon-ks9yn Yes but thrust vectoring is not modeled in the F 22. It's basically an F 15 with an F 22 skin.

Esoteric Yetti. What are you talking about, the F22 does have Thrust Vectoring.

@@bri-manhunter2654 It's not modeled in the DCS version

@@bri-manhunter2654 only 2D in Raptor enabling only rapid vertical Charlie and Cobra manoeuvres but no lateral sharp turns in low energy and axis reversals.... Hence not as effective as that of Su35 let alone be Su 57....... When it comes to Super Maneuverability, nothing stands in front of the Russian birds till date..... There has to be significant advantage of 3D independent vectoring over 2D tandem vectoring of twin jets....

until you actually use a spray and its 999 cousins fall at the same time.

@@Frofelfel lol

Quite literally a nest of angery Hornets

Hahaha, I'll make sure he gets this one!

@@kindanyume should stop watching the propaganda

Aleksandar Rudic they could make better ways to handle the G-force for the pilot like better oxygen and other things, if where making better technology’s then we might be able to make better counter measures for G-Force.

@@weirdbritishperson9542 Up to a degree certainly yes but ultimately the human body has some hard limits, and on the other hand AI is advancing rapidly. IMHO, it's a technological race of a sort between improving human and AI performances, which I think the AI will win. By that I mean AI designed for this specific task - I don't think we are that close to an AI of a human-like, general, high plasticity type (nor I really get why would anyone want to replicate a human-like intelligence in a machine when there are millions of genuine human beings sitting around unemployed). But an AI designed specifically to execute a narrow range of combat specific tasks as good as, or better than, a well-trained human, I think we are probably a decade or so from that, not much longer. Needless to say, that AI does not have to be unassisted, it can for example only execute combat maneuvers and select and engage targets, and tactical decisions can be left to a remote human operator.

I guess that could work but there are also a lot of possible malfunctions and maby even killing there wingmen.

Also we would need to get data to show the drones how to do menouvers and if there is a limit then we wouldn’t be able to. Q learning would cost to much in manufacturing all the drones needed.

Thomas Pearce russian are truly ahead you know, Computerized Jammers are getting so powerful now to the level can unlock you from enemy’s lock , so BVR and to some degree of stealth aircraft are basically dead Russian airforce are so persistent in maintaining close quarter doctrine

SU 57 have full composite wings, no other plane have composite wings

Hi man, thank you glad you enjoyed and welcome to the channel.

You’re too kind brother Thank you taking the time to watch the videos

Thrust Vectoring does a madness, look up some thrust-vectoring maneuvers. It looks like they are breaking physics, but they are not.

Should start using Su-57s for space launches if that is the case.

The new jets with a more than 1:1 thrust weight ratio with vectoring means you can basically whatever whenever you want.

@@joshuaurbany6468 Indeed, hence why the Su-27 series is super dangerous. The modern versions have 3D thrust vector control. The f22 has 2D thrust vectoring. I have no doubt the US is developing a replacement.

@@boxstar3d554 There have been prototypes for that for decades now but the americans thought it wasn't worth doing.

Wait until the Su-87 6 Gen comes out next year! The F22 or F35 will not touch it!

@@rrfields65 they havent started with the su-75 yet

The doctrinal thinking behind the Su-57 (and Su-35, frankly) has more to do with domestic politics than warfighting. Putin's authoritarian regime relies on military strength as a propaganda mechanism to keep his administration in place. Military "toughness" equals domestic political support. Designing planes that can wow international audiences at air shows and make the citizens of the motherland feel good about their country is a major factor in the design of this plane. In reality, Russia relies on multi-layered air defense systems for its legitimate area denial purposes in combat. The U.S., on the other hand, largely relies on manned fighters because it can afford to produce more of them and, frankly, the U.S. has less territory to defend and oceans separating it from adversaries. So it makes sense from a political standpoint that Russia would design a plane that is superior in a fight that will likely never occur - it looks good to the world, engenders popular domestic pride and occasionally helps with some arms sales. The U.S. is more pragmatic in its combat aircraft design, focusing less on super-maneuverability and dogfighting (though the F-22 can do it essentially just as well) and more on sensor fusion and battlefield management. The real F/A-18s won't be tangling with Su-57s - they'll be firing HARM missiles at the S-300/400 SAM batteries while the F-22s keep the Flankers and Felons busy.

It’s just how adversarial countries behave. If the US did adopt a high manoeuvrability - dogfighting approach decades ago the soviets/Russians probably would of leaned more towards a stand-off, BVR program. It’s about countering your adversaries strength and trying to make it a weakness. What amazes me is the technology on both sides and when people argue about which is better and start throwing insults, that person just shows how oblivious they are to reality. Oh, and I’m not saying you did; I’m just stating a fact.

Yes we did ... decades ago, look up NF-16 VISTA

F-16 Vista says hi

Even with the F35 they called a Yakovlev (russian jet designer) to make the vtol engine, look up yak 38 forger and look when it was made

US couldn't even make an tank autoader for it's MBT. And this is significantly radio than making 3d trust vectoring engines on Military aircraft. Of course USA could do this if enough time and resources are committed

Not 100% sur the results would ne the same in real life....;)

@@MrMolack Yeah, the hornet would be shot down a lot sooner

It's been a year. 😢

Could be possible with the new engines, I don't know exactly if and when they are becoming operational (they should have been already but the Russians had some serious issues with them, I really don't know the details (most likely the lack of money)). They should be on pair with the Raptor's engines in terms of raw power, which would give the Su-57 significantly better performance than the Raptor in terms of thrust to weight ratio, climb rate, and kinematic properties because Su-57 is a lighter aircraft, and its design is less concerned with all-aspect stealth so the constructors did not have to make so many aerodynamic compromises that the Raptor's constructors did have. When you see how the Raptor blasts off like a rocket and what that bird can do in terms of speed and maneuverability, anything "better than that", well I guess it's hard to comprehend. Currently, all operational Su-57s use basically the same engine as Su-35 (which is still, of course, a very powerful engine).

The thing's engines IRL are retardedly powerful.

ahaha ya man can't win them all.

As @AirForceProud95 said, “I'm going Space Shuttle Status.”

Thanks lee much appreciated brother

I mean come on man, it is 5th gen, and hornet, is just 4th gen, the fact that GS had put up a decent fight against it is already good enough. If u wanted to see a fair fight, that would be either the F22 vs Su57, J20 vs Su57.

The Su-57 is fifth gen yes. It would still lose against an F-15.

Which version is this?

im desperate please tell me

I know it's late but what is the version of it? Can you kindly tell?

It might be a remix or something

@@flexoi2361 its one of the variants. just not sure which one.

@@MerceC good all we need now is to find witch variant it is

@@flexoi2361 Hey I know it's late but did you found the remix?

@@INFxKamrul nope... 3 years on and I still couldn't find it

Like he said in the video, the Su-57 Felon is a mod, so what you seen was probably nothing compared to actually seeing it in action in person. And the Russians has it heavily classified, like he said.

What we do know is that the TWR is above one in most scenarios and that it has 3D thrust vectoring. A lot of what is seen here may even be possible

That hornet pilot was trash let's be real

Mobius 1 yea, an ACTUAL hornet pilot would have done far better.

Considering that only 11 of them exist, compared to 187 Raptors, I don't think the USAF is kept up at night...

Um, it really is possible for the Su to pull that stuff off, I have seen SU 30 MKIs turn that much. Pretty much the entire series of flankers that have 3d thrust vectoring have insane wvr capability. BVR might be where western aircraft maintain a sole edge over these, not to mention the West has far greater numbers of each platform and better weapons and sensor integration. Yeah and western 5th generation stealth might very well be quite a lot better than the SU 57, which actually is why they should have an edge in BVR, especially if you have two Raptors running hunter killer for each Sukhoi.

@@IndianArma OK but do you think think this plane can make those maneuvers in BFM and survive?

@@jaydubb71 I honestly think this one can, the Russians have done a lot of work to improve TV engagements, especially in the Su-35 and 37 variants, and the thrust to weight ratio has been further improved specifically to enable the SU 57 to engage with a lot more energy efficiency under bfm conditions. Not to mention the superior handling of all these aircraft irrespective of thrust vectoring. Please don't take this to mean that the cobra maneuver is of any real advantage in battle. Primarily because an aircraft would be a really static target before going into the maneuver, but TV is a lot more than the cobra.

@@VisibilityFoggy sthealth air superiority fighters are made to hit high value target like tankers and awacs, so they wont fight directly

This is what the russian fighter doctrine is all about, pure dogfighting and maneuverability. This isnt too much of an exaggaration, especially since its very new era vs old era

@@rubekipzz985 pure dogfighting and maneuverability.> Why "pure"? Yes, it plays a role in doctrine, but by far not major. Otherwise you won't see integration of 300km ranged AAMs and extremely powerful radars with wider coverage than on western planes.

@@gargean1671 well the Russians always believed in supermaneuverability, these planes are meant to be dominant in a fox-2 dogfight. The sukhoi jet doctrine is all about the turn speed and low speed authority of control surfaces, so yes : pure maneuverability

@@rubekipzz985 No, it is NOT pure. Otherwise they wouldn't have superb equipment for long range fighting. Don't try to squish reality inside three points videogame balance.

su 57 with new powerplants has more afterburning thrust than the f22 (176.6kn of the su57 vs 156kn of the f22) and the su 57 is a lighter aircraft. The su57 would be able to take it vertical like he did in this fight and win that way. Also the f22 only has pitch thrust vectoring no yaw.

@@dyren7437 found the Russian.

@@shirothehero0609 he's right though, the su-57 is more technologically advanced than the f-22

@@shirothehero0609 Just because im stating some random facts makes me russian?? xD Im from the netherlands, which is most defenitely on of the most USA dependend countries in the world in terms of military support.

seyemun a The true capabilities of the f22 and SU57 are classified. The fact is, many nations want to buy the f22 and none the SU57.

Nevermind, I just found your video on it. :D

also, su57 looks like a f22? > Not really. Extremely slight resemblance which completely breaks down when you look into details.

I don't think DCS modeled the F-22's thrust vectoring. Actually, what would be *really* cool would be a mod featuring the F-16 ACTIVE variant which was developed with vectored thrust but never purchased by the USAF. That would be an insane plane.