DCS: The GAZELLE is now a COW but, is the Flight Model that bad? 

I will try again loading less fuel next time. Thanks for the advice!

@@dcsdummypilot Recommendation is really 50% fuel or less for the M, and 60% or less for the L or Minigun. It is a light reconnaissance helicopter by design. In an Anti-Tank role it should be operating very close to the FEBA. Fuel to 40%, load 4 HOT, sprint into a battle position, kill a tank, switch position, rinse & repeat 4 times and back to the FARP. In the reconnaissance role fuel adjusted for the distance to cover, you want to be light (reaching 60% fuel or less), when you cross into hostile territory. Recon to contact, or simply find and observe, then call the big guns on coordinates. Monitor fuel to make it back. Most people fly the helicopters in DCS way too heavy loaded, all the time, as it is default in the Mission Editor. 😉

💯 bro , I could fly the Gazelle like a boss poppin Red tanks on ECW , but now the FM is tainted to me , unflyable atm .

I completely agree with you^^ I usually fly fighters, like SU 33 or F 16 on PvP or PvE servers...and flying the "old" FM was really cool , just to enjoy the landscapes and so on...now it s quite impossible...I don't like this new FM at all !! (excuse my english, I am french...and former french air force engineer...on the Gazelle)

Yes, same for me. The first thing I had to do is to remove the saturation and reduce the curves. Even with the overload by the fuel, I feel the Gazelle new FM better than before. Now it behaves more like the other helicopters (saving the diferences, of course). I like it.

Yep, noticed and corrected! ;)

Yes, the FM now it is better in all aspects.

I don't know if the new FM is accurate with the real live or not. Others said that now is more close to how it is, and I take their feedback as good, because I do not know about how this or other helicopter behaves IRL. I'm not gonna lie: it took me by surprise having to reduce the fuel to 40% to get enough power to fly it properly. More having into account that the other helicopters can manage to be full fueled and a moderate payload without problem. But we are talking about different machines and, as I said, I do not know anything regarding these topics. The "problem" here, I think, is that having flown the old gazelle and liked it and getting now a "downgrade" is a shock for us. The only way to deal with this is a mind reset and take it as I we have get a new chopper.

​@@dcsdummypilot I'm with you on this! I understand the previous flight model was unrealistic, but it was nevertheless a BLAST to fly, IMO, and I thoroughly enjoyed zooming around and stunt-flying it like a maniac. It was fun and exhilarating, realism aside, and this new update is a bummer for me since it has sucked the bonkers fun out of the chopper. It may be more "accurate and realistic" now, but speaking solely for myself I miss the outstanding superpowered enjoyment of the "bad" flight model. I enjoy other DCS choppers for realism and complexity, but I always turned to the Gazelle for pure madcap aerial stunting -- and I'm sad it's unavailable now. :(

ive tried that it hasnt really worked for me tbh. i will try again with a reduced fuel load. i tink the heli is underpowerd and needs fixing tbh.

⁠@@cyborgbadger1015 I also stopped using the controls indicator as it's too distracting. Less is better. 'Be one with the aircraft' - That sounds stupid but it's true.

Helicopters never have any curves, and they have 100% saturation all the time. It is just that the Polychop modeling for input is incorrect. You need to look how much does the real cyclic move in the cockpit. As in degree and as well how many millimeters from X to Y range. And same for collective and anti-torque pedals. And then make the 3D model have that exact same movement range. For cyclic that is very small now, compared to real one. So when you do the flying, the cyclic barely even moves, where in reality the pilot moves the cyclic a lot in 10-15 cm area just to stay in hover. The pilot needs full control authority, so when cyclic is full left, it is full left. As there comes times when pilot is closing to control authority, meaning he can't anymore move the cyclic physically further required direction. That is when pilot know that flight attitude is unsafe and needs to come with idea to overcome the limitation. This is what the flight limitations are, for max wind speed (and why to fly toward the wind) and why weight balancing is critical, why the approach speed, angle, roll attitude etc matter a lot, as you can run out of control authority very easily. And if you run any curves or any saturation lower than 100%, then you are reaching those values far sooner and faster, you don't have the warnings and indicators that you would know that "I can't move cyclic much to the left" so you know to avoid that direction. The current FM is sadly broken. People should go and disable the SAS by disabling the gyroscope. It is the small box on left side of the main panel, two switches with small windows with stripes to turn off gyro. When the gyroscope is disabled, you don't have SAS anymore. And that means you should have completely very unsteady and sensitive helicopter that will react violently to external forces like wind and gusts, as well attitude changes etc. But that isn't the case, you can have gyroscope disabled and have no effect for flight, helicopter fly steadily and you can even fly it with just using pedals, as flying around buildings, go higher and lower, turn around obstacles like trees etc just using pedals. Try it with any other helicopter with possible AP disabled, and you will flip in few seconds from trimmed hover without you adjusting controls continiously, even less you are to fly a course with just pedals.

@@theserpentesThe problem is a module is just that - a module- an imitation, at least twice removed from reality. And in your opinion, incorrectly modeled making adjustments justified. With my setup the SA 342 requires minimal adjustment while the AH-64, I cannot 'fly' without substantial curvature.

No, no .. I don't have any saturarion in throttle axis. But, as other people has commented, today I have reduce the fuel payload up to 40% and now it flies better

Hi. I have found all these years that, regarding how behave an aircraft or how much skilled seems a player, depends a lot on the peripherals used. What is good for someone, it could be bad for other. Neverthless, here are my settings in case it helps you: Thrusmaster TW16000 + TWCS (using the rocker as rudder) Throttle Z axis: no curves, no saturation Throttle RZ axis (Yaw): 10 curve, no saturation (5 dead zone) Joystick Y axis: 20 curve, no saturation (5 dead zone) Joystick X axis: 20 curve, no saturation (5 dead zone)

@@dcsdummypilot I run virpil. Great setup. Gazelle is trash now

Of course. Here there are: Throttle Z axis: no curves, no saturation Throttle RZ axis (Yaw): 10 curve, no saturation (5 dead zone) Joystick Y axis: 20 curve, no saturation (5 dead zone) Joystick X axis: 20 curve, no saturation (5 dead zone)

Nope. I'm using thrustmaster T16000M + twcs throttle (using the rocker in the twcs as rudder ^_^)

@@dcsdummypilot then you are flying amazingly well

@@RealDarko thanks!!!

Steam version is always the last version of each branch (Last open Beta or Last stable). You can change the branch (Open beta/Stable) in the Steam game properties menu.

I currently use the Steam's DCS multithread open beta version.

it is not a rubbish module. they nerfed it in the last update that's all. it was ace when i bought it, but it was overpowered then. now theyve gone completely the other way. fooking fuming tbh. they've had ample time to fix it.

thats not true I see gazelle used alot in mp

yes, yes... I know, I Know. Read the comments.

And I said that i like the FM, Jesus Christ!

@@dcsdummypilot Then stop the clickbait titles 😉

@@MrSpinkser click bait? "You will not believe what happen with the Gazelle's Flight model". That is click bait.

And, by the way, if someone has to stop something... Is your superiority tone. Should be that hard to comment helpfully and respectfully like other people?

Argument; "Better than the first" We know, is it geat; "Return to sender".

Yes, they change the flight dinamics and now you can't load the Gazelle with full fuel and weapons. BUT EVEN THEM admited that the Gazelle was underpowered at that point and in the following patch they give it more power. What is more, they found a related bug that makes the Gazelle weigh the same, even when you have expended a great amounts of fuel. SO, at the point this video was released EVEN POLICHOP had to adjust the power and fix some weigh related bugs. EVEN MORE, for me it is underpowered yet. Last time I flight the gazelle with 1/4 of fuel and 2 missiles I was not able even to maintain it on ground effect in some parts of Persian Gulf map (and yes, it is a desert, and it is high altitude and whatever, but I do not belive that Iranians can't use light helicopters. Or that the Apache fly like crazy where the gazzele is not able even to take off) SO, I leave it not a complaint but as a "heads up" because in my opinion things are far from good yet. If you do not agree, be my guest and open your own youtube channel. It is free.

Yes, I have made my own videos in the past, One particular example is a video I made on autorotation 3 years ago however, I unlisted it due to some inaccuracy in what I was describing. I may come back to making videos in the future but I'm to busy with real helicopters for the time being. Yes there were adjustments made due to bugs. But this does not change change the inaccuracy in your understanding of flight dynamics, as demonstrated in your video and this comment in response. You will lose ground effect if there is enough wind, and not all surfaces will give ground effect. Once again I suggest you continue learning, Have a nice day and happy flying.

@@narkydragon4143 I am glad that you lead by example. I respect your opinion and I will give you mine: I'm not a helicopter pilot or aeronautical engineer. But I work in IT and I am a developer too (I know how things go in IT with new developments or evolutions of old ones). One of the last times I flied the gazelle, I take off from Shiraz (in Iran) with 1/4 fuel, 2 HOT missiles and the Viviane system. It was more dificult to get some altitude than before, but good enough. After at least 10-20 minutes of flight, I get to the target area at north-west of Shirad. I tried to sneak the targets behind some low buildings and, between the lack of power and the problems with the autocentering mode, it was a nighmare to kill a couple of AAA. I was barelly able to hover at 10-20 meters, the autocentering mode was disconecting everytime I tried to pop-up or get to cover again, etc. After a hell of tries, I was able to kill them, but I had not enough fuel to return to Shiraz. For me, this isn't realist or have any logic, even not been an helicopter pilot (I'm just using my common sense and, as a developer I know that what this week "It's ok, I swear you" ... next week could be "maaaayyyyybe it were not that ok, sorry". So, until I am able again to take off, go to the target area, kill a couple of targets sneaking behind something and return to base without wanting to kill myself, I will maintain that the Gazelle is a cow. Not asking very much. I know that they have fixed or at least reduced some of these problems, but until I hear that the common opinion is that the gazelle is in a good shape, and I gather the time and mood to try it again, the video will persist. Then, when this happen, I will upload a new video, happy to say that everything is ok now enjoying the flight (because believe me or not, I used to like flying the gazelle a lot. And I am not talking about doing crazy things like when the fligh model was unrealistic) This video or my opinions are not a critic to the developers. As I said, I am one too... and I know that what nighmare is to develop anything (What is good in one environment, is completelly broken on another) I'm sure they will give it some love and eventually solve the major problems. But for now, the community opinion is divided Enjoy and happy flying!

but the bird wont fly properly with just a full fuel load and no weapons at all. surelt that cant be right?

i loved the old fm too. i think they borked it with the new FM,

they made it more realistic! if you want arcadey ufo type heli theres always warthunder