DDR4 vs. DDR5: Which RAM Suits Your i9-13900K Setup Best? - Tech Deals 

if you have i9-13900K money, you have DDR5 money.

DDR5 prices may have come down, but when you're building on a budget, all the affordable motherboards are DDR4. And you can pair them with a 13600k and have a blast.

Depends on ddr5 speed and you can't make up for the latency hit from ddr5 as you can with ddr4 4000mhz gear 1. Need gear 2 8000mhz to match controller speed for low latency.

The b die is faster on 13th gen but you need to set the mobo to gear 1 mode cause at certain speeds it will automatically go to gear 2, 3600 cl14 is faster than cl 18 in gear 1 mode and its a one click thing intel mobo have this since 11th gen like 1:2 mode in ryzen. This isnt super important but explains why you saw worse b die results.

Buying "new" DDR5 .. but "upgrading" DDR4 to DDR5 requires not only the waste of an expensive motherboard but also of your prior DDR4 RAM which is insane. Otherwise if you're going to repurpose the old motherboard and ram then maybe.

sounds like untuned sub timings

A lot of boards default higher speed DDR4 to gear 2, make sure to set gear 1 mode in the bios.

I upgraded to a ddr4 motherboard with a 13500. Its not the end of the world. I did cheap out. The next couple of generations of cpus and gpus will matter even more with ddr5. Its not a major loss. But it was a an upgrade because my z270 motherboard was giving out with wifi and started blue screening. With power cycling on top of it. It was time to replace. I upgraded to a 64gb kit later too. Still cheaper than ddr5 though. Not by insane amounts though. Still plan on getting the i9. I realized I wanted more cpu power for UE5 and blender. My RTX 4070 is okay though. If it was late 2024 or mid 2025. Why are you buying a ddr4 machine at that point. I can get push back and people would say. Why did buy a ddr4 system now. Answer: I cheap out and get what I need at that moment. Just bought a wif m.2 card for it. because it didn't come with one months later.

I have 13700k + Z690 D4(old board from 12700k) and 128gb 3200MHz cl18 (3500mhz cl18 oc'd) 1.45v. I've early adopted ddr3 and ddr4. bought these cheap open box kits from microcenter. I don't regret it one bit lol.

The answer is always "whatever is in stock."

4000 CL15 with 13600K kind of work for me. Had it 4200 CL16 with 8700K before.

I9 13900 user, so lower power chip and 7900xt. I run 64gbs of 6400 cl 32 xmp ram I've played with the timings and speed with xmp enabled and I've found that my kit of ddr5 is touchy moving the mhz down doesn't really affect anything I lost all of 7 frames in call of duty mw2. However playing with the timings in either direction cause stability issues so a little advice is set it and forget it

Maybe the better question is, suppose you changed the motherboard and got DDR5, would that small performance bump with a 4090 actually improve your experience? I don't think that it would. Like, OK on paper you get a few more FPS, but that isn't going to be 'transformative', not any more than it already was with getting the biggest video card in the history of video cards!

Fiddling with RAM is time consuming and the returns are uncertain. Most of the time, the differences are not humanly detectable. With DDR4 make sure you are using dual rank modules (usually found in 16GB and higher capacity) if you are using only two RAM slots.

after years of having my older system 6850k i saw intel cpu special gamer day and the 13700k was 474$ Cad, so im pretty sure i should see a massive performance bump altho its not a 13900k which is full price atm 285$ difference... plus taxes that is so with the rebate i got on the 13700k its the equivalent of tax free so worth it... now i can reuse my old hardware... im gonna wait a bit for the mother, i saw that manifacturer are about to come out with the refreshed z790 which im willing to wait for they will have some upgrades and compared to my x99 platform its gonna be a massive upgrade for nic, wifi and ram speed supported. still trying to figure the ram im gonna put on it as now Bdie is not what u want so gotta find Adie now and proper motherboard to tag with it with at least 6 or more sata ports as i have alot of drives.

As some people may be noting, the difference on the 3600-14 to 3800-18 may be due to the motherboard changing from g1 to auto (what will be g2). if you are willing to "lose " some time and tune the b-die and change some voltages (Assuming it is of good quality), you may manage to run those same 3600-14 at 3800 -15 or even 4000-16 on gear 1, and generally the 13900k or silicon lottery allowing, the 13700k are able to sustain 4000-14/15/16 in gear 1 mode. With all that said, at 4k , the difference is really small, and even depends on the game and it's engine, to the point that if playing above 1440 and with a 4090, it becomes hard to notice. And if there is no 4090, then the difference of performance is within margin of error.

You need a good motherboard Like Hero or Apex if you want ToR un the fastest DDR5

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Thanks for putting more vids out on YT again. There was a gap for a few months it seems.

False info and bad testing. DDR4 12700k tunner here lol I've tested its 20% in cyberpunk from ddr4 4000mhz gear 1 to 3600mhz gear 1. My ram is tuned at 4000mhz 46ns latancy c14 rev e 8gbx4 y cruncher stable world record.... If you didn't use QVL b die and don't tune it's bad testing with a false conclusion.... love ur stuff btw

I have i9 13900k/RTX4080/128GB DDR4 3600 @ CL18 and i9 13900ks/RTX4090/128GB DDR4 3600 @ CL18 - both running gear 1 (my 128GB RAM 4000 sticks didn't play well at gear 1). Comparing my benchmarks to videos on here and I hold or exceed their numbers so have zero motivation to move to DDR5.

DDR6 RAM is expected to begin the testing phase of production in 2024 and be available to buy sometime during 2026. While the standard is still in development, you can expect speeds in the area of 12,800Mbps for DDR6.

That is really interesting. What makes the ram faster in that case. I have 64GB 3600 CL14, B-Die on my 5950X. Nothing is faster for Ryzen. Could it be the chipset or something in their socket?

I went DDR5 for 12700KF 7900XTX it's great but I likely could have stayed DDR4.

I have a Meshlicious mini itx case Ryzen 9 5950x cooled with a Deepcool 280EX (280mm AIO) Lian Li Uni Fan SL140 (2) ROG Crosshair VIII Impact x570 6900xt Sapphire Nitro+ 64gb Crucial Ballistix RGB 3200 (2 sticks total) 1 tb WD sn850s and 2tb Samsung 990 Pro Asus Loki 1000w PSU Those two sticks of ballistic RAM I could not get to run at XMP. I ended up running it at partial XMP 2733mhz instead. That has been stable with no issues. I had a feeling the ram wouldn't run an that XMP because of how much RAM it is, but now I know. Also what is this motherboard so expensive but doesn't have any ability to save profiles Asus?

@Tech Deal Yo, sorry to pop in here as well but maybe you could point me in the right direction. Got a 13900k (stock), Arctic Freeze 2 360 aio, Gaming X-AX Z790 from Gigabyte (up to date bios), 32GB 6000MT CL32, 2TB Nvme, 4070ti, Seasonic Prime 1000 and for some reason my PC from time to time freezes up, reboots randomly, some games just straight up quit to desktop as soon as they launch (Apex Legends) and overall I have a feeling that something isn't ok with these happenings. I also tried the ram at 5600 for a while, same situation. CPU Idle -> ~ 35-38 celsius. CPU gaming on CPU intensive games -> ~ 50-60 at max, depending on the game. "Fun" fact - when I launch C23 on multicore test, sometimes the app crashes or my PC reboots as well with the temp going up to ~ 88-92 .. which is kinda normal for C23 and this CPU i guess.. Any suggestion?

i use pc for creator stuff and gaming, i was changing from i5 8600 and rtx 3060 to to i9 13900 (non K on purpose) with rtx 3090 and rtx 3060 as secondary gpu. running 7 monitors, 3 nvme ssd and 10 hdd (4 outside case) in phanteks enthoo pro all mounted in gigabyte b760 gaming x ddr5 with 128 gb kingston fury. They run in lower mhz cause of 128 gb, i dont care i need alot for creator. You know what? all games runs 4k no problem. What my point is? It was idiotic to buy for mentioned person DDR 4 ram to i9 13900, those cpu were designed to run ddr 5 like AMD top ryzen ones... right now add more ram and sit down waiting for 3 gen later to update, otherwise its waste of cash

DDR5 6800 on ASUS Z690-E with i7-13700KF. When I built it I bought 6400 and 6800. 6800worked so I returned 6400 kit. 6400 was on QVL BTW.

As a person who like "WooooW" effect changing pc parts.. ( means taking the best and use it for years... ) i think this gentleman's pc is ok.. DDR5 will be better, but he don't need it now.. just give it 1-2 years more.. or till Beast Lake.. We all remember DDR3 rants.. DDR4 rants.. people always say not worth it bla bla.. yes at begining.. when they tune it.. you will see obvious difference...

yep these ram are G.Skill and only with ryzen that can show some difference to 3200 mt/s cl 16+ but incredible ram kit can probably go higher with speed or even more tighten timings when cpu and mb can do that and that with cl 18 can it be because of ddr4 and ddr5 comatibility? because ddr5 have cl 28+ or something around that...and who the hell knows what the IMC doing in these cpus🤔😂it´s maybe configured towards ddr5 and their timings so...as you said IMC is really rassistic🤣unless you can use 4000 4200 mt/s kits that might probably be different and faster if as fast as ddr5 i am not sure and depends on timings too ofc but i don´t remember that number but i am sure it was cl18+ something around that...actually i have them (3600 cl14) too and for ryzen 5000 these are really good probably the best ones for overclockers and in some cases (i running computing tasks too) and the difference is here but for games? who cares but what i discovered about monitors...i have 1440p 27i omen i know it´s not the best but i really like features anyway i had 1080p 75hz (idk it worked xD maybe it was locked at 60 :D) office monitor and i thinked man what a nice colors besides i had 4k lg tv not expensive but had HDR and that kind of stuff...but now i can´t look on fathers monitor or friend´s monitor or even on TV because man that is disgusting like washed and bleached and 25fps tv film? no thanks it´s choppy as hell 🤣even 60 fps some documents or idk anime are at 60 but just i can´t🤣 so for those who don´t have good monitors...don´t buy that! it will probably ruin your you know...fav tv show or something😂

What’s the difference between 990 pro ‎march 2023 vs November 1, 2022 models MZ-V9P2T0B/AM and ‎MZ-V9P2T0BW should I be concerned about buying the older model?

I'm still waiting on confirmation that XMP issues have been wholly resolved with DDR5 RAM above 64GB before I even _consider_ upgrading from DDR4.

That is so true , I had 4x 8GB TridentZ 3200 CL16-16-16-36 B die kit it worked great on my Coffee Lake i5 8400 but doesn't even post on my X570 R5 3600. It works with 2x 8G not all 4 sticks

Who knows what Intel is going to do. It's obvious there is no CPU that can fully feed a 4090 yet. 14th ended up being a refresh....16th probably will be a refresh of 15th...maybe they'll do 3 chips in the socket again? Who knows. On the DDR5 topic, I expect timings to go down and frequency up in a few years, by the time it's the only thing. Also, I would say 2023 is probably one of the most important years to wait if your computer does what you need it to!

I think 13700k just fine.but,you spend more,you get more

Hi, need help here pls, whats the best corsair 4800 19 28 28 28 48 or viper stell 19 19 19 39 i will buy and is ddr4 ?

I run 8200mhz daily on my 13900KS. The Asus Z790 Apex is a beast of a board!

U read my mind. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank u❤❤❤.

Asus breaking ram support with a bios update? Sounds about right.

3900x to 15th gen might be time to jump

Thanks!

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5:20 interesting

I get ddr4 is you went and built last year, but 32gb on an i9 was barely appropriate on 10th gen. 64gb is cheap, just do it I'm here waiting for 2x48gb and 2x64gb to come to laptop

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I'm in the same situation upgraded last year 12900k and 4090 with DDR4 64 3600, DDR5 at the time wasn't available and the ones that where , were stupid expensive . But in my situation I got my 12900k and half of my ram for free . so I figured maybe I should upgrade ? idk

Always buy ⚠ prebuilt computer from those big name like Dell, MSI, ACER will solve all your DDR kit compatibility issue over the long run 🧠. Custom build is a waste of time in the long run, lot of problem will rise from the sleep 😈 and rookie like us will take forever time ⌛and money 🫰 to fix those sudden out of nowhere issue. I learn my lesson .

Becoming more irrelevant by the year as we move into System on a Chip and integrated and more highly optimized CPU/GPU sharing far higher speed RAM like GDDR6X and beyond. 2030 should see PC's as we know them start to completely give way to Smart TV's and gaming consoles. I have no doubt at all.