Dead Games Are A Good Thing, Actually | Asmongold Reacts 

When your aging is complete, what do you call it? Death.

​@@crossc1988 The heck you on about???

​@@crossc1988how bout school.. when you finish it, are you dead? No.. you just graduated and completed everything needed.

Because people have multiplayer brainrot. I've been so happy gaming since I've given up playing multiplayer and only playing single player games.

​@@crossc1988cool we're not talkng about aging. you can always go back and replay a single player game.

Single player = Success or Failure Live Service = Dead or Not Dead Two VERY different metrics depending on which of the those two types a game is. Anyone who says a single player game is "dead" should be immediately disregarded as a glue eater, because that term makes no sense in that context.

also that "Dead" single player game can be revived... just look at MGR:R, it suddenly got revived thanks to the endless memes of it's memes Dead Live service game can't be revived cause it's forever dead... unless the bill that makes devs not kill those LSG's gets approved

The difference is that a good Single player game is NEVER dead. You can always go back and experience it in its glory. A Live service game on the other hand is always on life support. Once the player base starts to dry up... It's finished and the experience often dies with it. Single Player Games > Multiplayer Games. As it always was.

A dead singleplayer game, some people will always come back to every so often replay it. Even if it's just once every several months. A dead live service game... Well, it just ceases to exist in a playable form entirely.

@@emzzz8180 There's no such thing as a dead single player game.

Who's "we"?

​@@ah3611 I am we.

Need more single player games

How else would NPCs know what to hypebeast or not?

Terminally online losers only play games that are currently popular.

Exactly! And even better, if you have couple of those games, you can just keep playing them through. By the time you finish last one, you gonna half-remember the first.

Well, unless you want to play "The Crew"

just did this with enlisted. played the hell out of it at its launch, went back this week and been having an absolute blast.

110%

This

And repeat until death

this is me every summer with the far cry, bioshock & metro series, always a good time 😁 and also Ghibli movies on saturday nights

@@dle511 Princess Mononoke is always a great comfort watch for me. I remember first seeing it on adult swim.

Those people probably only play those shitty "live service" their entire life

Bingo. There's no such thing as a "Dead" Single player, offline game. I can enjoy them at my leisure whenever I choose and get the full experience as intended by its creators. A live service game that "dies" however means the experience is gone for good. The problem, as usual... is the Live service business model and the greedy companies continuing to try and push it for that SWEET, SWEET recurring income.

Palworld has a multiplayer base. Quit coping

@@KgEclispe252 skibidi cope fanum tax seethe rizz mald

@@shutup1037it’s mostly just children or the common gamer who isn’t educated or doesn’t care enough about the issue to really watch what they play and where they spending. With children tho or I guess teenagers They’re being brainwashed into only loving live service games so when they’re fully grown adults with wallets/ cards whatever They’ll carelessly spend money and not even bat an eye or think that what they’re spending money on is wrong or feels scummy in some way ( towards them ) the percentage will be bigger than it is now.

show them path of exile player numbers , looks like that game dies every 3 months , turns out you are allowed to play something else instead of being addicted is way healthier for the game and people get less burned out permanently .

Lanuage can be used to make small shifts in societies, expansion pack,dlc,add-on,battle pass, and live services...notice how it shifts from owning, evening offline single player games can need offline activation

If by kids you mean late 20s Milennials and mid - late 30s and 40s zoomers. Then yeah.

​@@warlerker Technically I count as a millennial, yet i grew up with purely sp. And with my xurrent mp experience and how it's gotten, I'm kind of glad.

Rather than make a game that people will want to play, they’ve focused on making games that people want to buy.

As If I wanted to feed them, especially the woke trash, with my hard-earned, back-breaking third-world money. Also, every pound of dough bought with my cash, an ounce goes to the AAA dev, and the rest goes to the corpos and investors, and I don't want to feed them either. I'd rather feed an indie dev instead.

@@nathanielkidd2840 Weird that a business you know runs as a business.

where's the lie?

@@MrMultiPlatform I think you misunderstood what I meant. Making a game people want to play means making a game with an engaging story, and works on release. Making a game people want to buy means making something, and then marketing the hell out of it. Doesn’t matter if it even works, just that people want to buy it.

When Palworld adds more content, I will play it. Its still in early access.

In a way, calling it a dead game before it is even released feels incredibly wrong. Technically it is wrong as well, as the game is still playable. It just lost a large portion of it's player count, which is very common among games, live service games even more so. I know I was interested in the title, as I saw it covered on some channels I frequent, including Asmongold's. When I looked at the game right when it was popular, I decided to wait until more content was added and it came out for real instead of in early access. In a way, I probably completely missed the window were enough people played it to give it longevity. For the most part, people use games like it is fastfood, moving from title to title, without fully diving into them. As soon as they even think they might get bored, they usually quit the game, which I think is a very unhealthy thing for both those gamers and the gaming scene as a whole. I can understand that a streamer or content creator that plays a title for 40+ hours a week as a job might get bored, but for regular people that play a few hours a day at most, I would think it is way too quickly. Titles like Fortnite, League of Legends, or better yet: Path of Exile or Warframe are still alive today because players play them consistantly and/or keep coming back after short periods of inactivity. Then again, I don't see why Palworld would still not be a title that comes back from this player falloff and slowly grind back into a title that might exist for years. They have made more than enough money to be able to support it and build it out into a more complete and better game, to slowly gain new players and have the longevity that some of these other titles have. I know at the very least PoE started out incredibly small and niche and Warframe lost most of it's player base in early access as well, with a dev team that didn't even have a publisher and went for the risky move of self-publishing. Look at where they are now, still one of the top played MMO titles in the industry and still showing strong numbers, having made peak player counts, just like PoE. Both games exist for 11 and 10 years respectively.

@@RoddHarding It did add a bunch recently, but I'd say maybe wait till next content update.

the other thing to mention them saying couldnt outsell pokemon...... like they out sold pokemon on a single game sure overall game no due to pokemon being around longer but palword doesnt need to make and sell shotty games every few years like pokemon

Palworld is so damn fun, my money worth it honestly, same with lethal company like godamn one minute im looking at a door i look away i look again the fucking brscken is there

Yeah i seen people enjoy lethal company ​@@jj2king345

That...actually kinda makes sense. I'll have to think on that.

The community surrounding a game does impact it imo, more than just a cool factor. It feels more alive, there's more competition. Those are legitimate aspects of gameplay in my opinion. Like genuine additions to any game, beyond a mere "cool" factor. Beyond that, if there aren't many people playing it, that's usually for a reason. So it tells people that there's probably a reason people aren't playing it. So it's not so much that it's uncool, it's that people assume it just won't be fun. Same deal when the game was wildly successful, people probably bought into it strictly because they saw 2million concurrents. They assumed oh hey, this must be fun if that many people are playing it. But yeah, the social thing is a serious aspect and I don't think that's isolated to just young kids. I'm in my 30s, and a game having a community, regulars, and all that means a lot to me. Getting to know people in game means something. It's one of the reasons World of Warcraft was so successful back in the day, and I believe one of the reasons it ended up falling off. Guilds aren't Guilds anymore, haven't been for a long time. The game outdesigned guilds being relevant. Now the game feels soulless and empty, even with a server full of people.

That's the too easy Boomer thought escape. New things come out all the time, and if less players play a live service game, all your achievements become less valuable, which is why nobody wants to play a "dead" online game.

​@@arutina1921playing games for social credit is so... ew

young kids? Then why does asmongold use this verbiage about single player games? is he a "young kid" too?

Yes. Only because ppl nowadays are quick to forget, and move on until something forces them to remember. Spiderman 1 will only gain a lot of views because a popular creator posts it. Everyone else will get crumb views. I'm not trying to argue against your point, as I get it and agree, but there's an aspect thats also somewhat equally true on the other end of your point as well.

​@@thephilosopher7173 Who cares what views something gets? Popularity isn't the determining factor at this point, it's argument that a single player game or a game that has single player cannot be dead. You and anyone else at any point can pick it up and play it like you did 5-10-15 years ago. A game that does not require others cannot be dead because it was never alive. If it has/had multiplayer, sure that can be dead, but if there is single player, it just isn't dead. It doesn't apply here. That's the issue the video and the OP and others are pointing out. A movie is not dead. A book is not dead. They are products to be used when and as you see fit. There is no dead or alive. It just is my dude. Explain to me how views on a video about this thing means it's dead? No one cares if some creator made some stupid video, if someone wants to go back and play AC2 they just can. At any point. Live service games and multiplayer servers are the only things that can be dead in this context. You or most people not caring doesn't mean its dead because it doesn't require you to care about it for it to exist and be enjoyed by others.

If your movie/book was designed to last forever then yes it's now dead

@@TripeDemoWhat media is designed to last forever?

This guys whole video essay is pointless.

WoW addicts who've only played one game for 20 years can't understand such things.

I agree they've rotted badly 😂

No no palworld did die and os the type of games that made in a way tht it shouldn't die but it did anways.

I played for 7 months before moving on. It has that bethesda touch, but in a shallow and deceptive way. My last 80 hrs of gameplay was a loop of constantly hoping things would click, before i realized i was 3/4 thru the main quest and it wasnt gonna get any better 😢

@@shredlord42O I would've played for 7 months if they didn't constantly update nothing patches and break my mods. Vanilla Starfield is trash and I wouldn't even let my dog crap on the case that's how bad it is. Even with mods it's barely enjoyable

I don't even get why people treat Palworld like it should still be played like, brah the game is really built to be a one playthrough and you're done kind of thing, it's not like it's Overwatch or TF2 it's closer to a Pokemon game.

Because Microsoft put it on their official Game Pass.

@@joedkat the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Cus the dev had bad habits of never finishing their games

​@@Koppu1doragon There are still 30-40 year Olds who obsess and play the original Pokémon to this day. As well as modern ones. If palworld has half the staying power of Pokémon then they're rich.

While impressive it's not really that comparable since Palword is half the price, has been on sale, and is on more platforms (Steam and X-Box, Steam being the largest platform available). Plus it rode an initial hype wave. Not only that but they are pretty damn different types of games when you take away the aesthetics of the Pals and being able to command them. Palworld is an Arc-like while Scarlet/Violet are turn based rpg's. If the devs/publishers are smart they will invest a chunk of that money into the game, fleshing it out so that it's not just a flash in the pan. Go the 7 Days to Die route while not taking as long for the full game to release.

@@FredCracklin You do remember this is still early access right? They're still updating and barely at the 0.3 patch, already addressing multiple problems, added more content, and refining the old content. All while having Microsoft's support and resources on top of their own revenue. This is literally the foot of the mountain for them, and having 40k concurrent users in steam alone to this day shows how it's gonna be here for a while.

@@TheChosen141 Nha, look at their older games, still unfinished after years. game will die out sooner or later before it will hit version 1.0 and they'll have 2-3 new games released in early acces.

Pokemon hasn't been able to outsell Pokemon. Gen 1 is the highest generation sold last I checked.

​@@TheChosen141That still doesn't change the fact that they are selling on multiple platforms with lower prices and sales. People don't even care if it is early access. That's not even mentioning that the game succeeded by the back foot of Pokemon's premise with guns. The novelty wore off and I doubt releasing Palworld again would have the crazy amount of sales it got.

Yeah the past few days/weeks if the first time i've ever heard of anyone referring to a game as being "dead" that wasn't an online game

Can be both

​@@zuriel4783I've seen "broken" used a lot to refer to older games that had online DRM that no longer works.

​@@DMGJP no it cant. Low pop on a single player game don't mean anything. Unless you actually have an argument to say otherwise then just being fence sitter.

To me, only online games that are no longer active can be called dead games. In recent years, the word "Dead Game" has been used indiscriminately. Just a game with fewer players is considered a dead game even if it is Offline, if based on this standard tekken 8 is currently a dead game.

Just like in nature, where old plants and animals die and become food for newer plants and animals, the games that die off will provide a basis to work from for newer titles. You can learn and adapt the stuff that worked and discard the mistakes and improve the title in every way. Sometimes this is hard, as especially having newer versions of titles is often not the way to go. Having a million iterations of Assassin's Creed gets old at some point and will result in stale games, but some of the things learned from the franchise can also be used in completely new titles to improve them.

They're also raking in cash from gta online, so they don't have much incentive to make a new game

Y E S

You don't get good games without a good industry.

@@None38389 AAA and live service games are only one part of the industry, not the entire industry

​@@None38389what industry? "Dead service" games industry?

@@None38389 Good games are made by developers that want to make good games. It's kind of irrelevant what everyone else does. PtW, FtP, Gotcha, Live Service, and whatever other nonsense being successful doesn't make it more likely that good games are made, it's the opposite in fact. The cellphone game market or the market for whatever new garbage AAA FPS title has no impact on the market for Factorio, Terraria or even Elden Ring. The bottom line is, if people keep paying for low effort garbage they will keep doing it.

Can you beat Atari games? 🙃

​@@krickudepends on the game

Haven’t seen anyone talk about out palworld since the 1st month that hype died fast

​@@HenrySuggs-by5ndBrother whose talking about Ghost of Tsushima? No one, because we played the game and then it was over.

​@@Dude-ni3vk thats not true though ghosts lasted a hell of alot longer than pal world because of the free updates and extra content that was added to the game ghosts also get brought up in alot more gaming conversations than palworld simply because it was a legitimate game of the year contender

Nope

​@@DMGJPNope, literal fact.

there are no dead games , only dead developers if they released a decent content update they would get the people back into the game , but if they earn money per copy sold they want new players , not people coming back

​@@DMGJP for comparison, PalWorld all time lowest concurrent Players are still higher than Suicide Squad. Try to beat that first

Yeah they have around the same amount as Rainbow 6 Siege. Its a pretty good number. The other games they are being compared to are free games (sometimes the numbers arent real because they count the bots also)

Also more LAN base mulitiplayer

*ignore the internet Fixed.

@@kOoSyak You're not even following your own advice so what's fixed😅

Shut up detractor DSP is the best streamer on platform

That's the issue in your first 4 words, no sane individual watches DSP.

it also is on gamepass. im sure theres lots of players on there as well

@@SuperRespect88 Yeah DSP was just butthurt that his gameplay was terrible so nobody threw money at him so he called it dead

If you watch DarkSydePhil you would have the impression DarkSydePhil had 5 players in his entire braincell count lol

Same. Online is reserved for after I've exhausted the game single player and I want more out of it. Elden Ring was such a a game for me.

The guy literally said if you're feeling burned out between patches play something else until the next update 😮

I remember when people gave Yoshi-P hate for the comment back in the day. People were mad about Gordias and put a negative spin on everything he said.

That's literally what I do😅

This is what I love about FF14 over games like WoW. The world of FF14 doesn’t change till you progress in the story. So there is no fear of not understanding what happens if you missed out on playing for a couple years like I did.

You watching the wrong person then 😂😂😂

@@darkfafnir4389 i think you missed the point but ok.

"MaInStReAm" lol likes it some sort of entity

like it's still in to top 100 on steam considering the amount of games on steam thats still insane considering

The latest update let player to get to lvl55. Who knows what max level will end up in the end.

​@@swordre5805I'm assuming 100 if it can get there

@@pickymike Remeber the ALPHA got those numbers. As it is the updates have added FAR TOO MUCH to list and we are only on Revision 3... Game isnt even in Beta Numbers yet and is popping 10K concurrent player for 6 MONTHS. Imagine when 1.0 hits

@@snintendog ya been playing last couple weeks on a solo world since last i plaied was like jan /early feb and thank goodness the sulfur/ore mining sites and i feel the exp curve is better

Well... Should have done something 10 years ago when we warned you chief. Too late now.

Batman :(

You probably play Ark Ascended

​@@The13thRonin Not if the "Stop killing games initiative" can do something about it.

@@The13thRonin He is probably talking about publishers like EA and Ubi that have killed off games because of stupid decisions (C&C/Red Alert, The Settlers, and i am sure there are many more games and publishers where this happened).

It was very profitable at launch hater.

Unfortunately, this is absolutely not true. Starfield actually sold well but everyone convinces themselves that it didn't to cope. Not saying starfield is good or anything, just saying this is a very popular yet wrong belief. Edit: Just to clarify, I dont like starfield either. I dropped it 9 hours in. I just dont like seeing people exaggerating stuff cuz they have a hate boner for something. Even if something is shit, i find some people are a little to passionate when it comes to hating on it, almost like it killed their family or something.

@@Yes917 Bit of a conflation between being a financial success, and being a good game. The numbers for Starfield says it all with it having the fastest falloff in players since potentially 76, and one of the lowest average play times. The achievements on console even corroborate it by a full quarter of people never even completing the tutorial, and remains significantly lower in player count than any other Bethesda title including 76. EDIT: Short of this being, the silent majority left Starfield very quickly. It rode it's launch on hype, and failed to back that hype up.

Lmao 😂 but it's true actually 🤣

The money it made and the amount of people who played it would easily prove you wrong.

It's difficult trying to keep an audience unless the game is open world, PvP or a cult classic.

well if a game requires online activation, or servers to run, and then the servers are shut down "the completed body of work" might be on a dvd, or someone might have it on their harddrive, but is inaccessible

Something that loses relevance its dead

a lot of people said theyd buy it now and just come back to it later once its further along. its massive player base is still around

Yep, im waiting for it to get closer to completion. I did the same thing with Subnautica, and I will likely do it with many more games in the future.

It doesn't even matter if the players don't come back. Palworld was a hit and people enjoyed it. Even at heavy early access levels it was more fun than most fully released games. That's all a game needs to be - fun! If you get that right, you've earned your money.

Palworld can't be dead, it's a single player game. It was either successful or unsuccessful, and it was the former. Only live service games can be "dead"

I still play almost daily. Even if it was “just an asset ripoff,” it still shows more love and effort than most triple A games nowadays.

Exactly, well said

If you have to maintain a server infrastructure for one exclusive movie for people being able to pay for it in order to watch it but nobody is paying for your platform... then yes, the movie is dead.

If the only way to access the movie is going to the cinema, then yes, the movie can be dead. If the movie comes on a CD or an MP4, then it can't be dead

@@timbetruger1072 Nah that just means the platform is dead, the film will still exist after that. And even if they come to that point they have to be extremely dumb to not see this coming or atleast do something with it (even if that does mean the platform will cease to exist).

@@qunas101 Maybe 100 years ago, but ever since we record and store them movies will never die, not even if a platform implode and just stop existing. The same with other mediums. The only way a movie truly dies is if it gets destroyed on whatever it is stored, and you'd be never able to recover it, but in this age that will never happen again.

@@timbetruger1072 but people arent asking for you to maintain the server infastructure. For example they asked the crew to just become single player since it is basically single player but you need to be connected to the servers to play. Modern warfare 2, the old one is dead in a way but people created fan servers and activision just got them in trouble and they had to close. For example titanfall 2. Go there and you will struggle to find one game. Install the thing that lets you play fan servers and you can see that the game is very very alive. I think that its not that companies should have to maintain servers but if they arent supporting the game just make a tos with certain rules the servers need to follow and let players create them. Team fortress is a great example of a fully community driven game and it is very alive. People still buy black ops 3 specially when fan servers had finally been created the game had so many sales and then they shut it down.

Age of Wonders 1

Though I hate to say the balancing team for Helldivers 2 are certainly doing their darndest to kill it. I've been on the devs side since the beginning but even I can't take much more of this bs. Whoever is in charge of that department needs to be fired and blacklisted. A few mishaps would be understandable. This is starting to feel like purposeful sabotage.

It's so basic. Live service vs single player. One can be a dead or not dead game, one can't. The metric for single player games isn't "dead or alive", it's was it successful or a failure, ie, did it meet its sales goals and make money or did it fail to? Whether or not the 1,000,000 people who bought a single player game a year ago are still playing it or not has absolutely no bearing on how much money the developers made from that game. Same can't be said for live service games.

​@@1_underthesunI'd say not only single player. TF2 doesn't have a single player mode, but it gives everyone an ability to host a server, so the game can be experienced even thousands years later, so it can't die

Honestly everyone is afraid of loss same for I do , I wish for longevity

Yea cause it was a rip off and 🐑🐑🐑 stopped playing it

@@darkfafnir4389 Imagine thinking someone is a sheep just for liking a certain game. You people have completely ruined the meaning of the word sheep

@@darkfafnir4389it was better than pokémon

@@darkfafnir4389 "Hur durrr. I'm superior and cool cause I dislike what everyone else likes." That's how you look. You know I don't like the game either (just not my kinda game) but you don't see me complaining about or insulting people who do. Grow some maturity. The game has done nothing to warrant actual hatred.

​@@lcmbeatdropBetter at everything except making money apparently

I can assure you a Palworld anime, reserved for a more mature audience, including graphic scenes similar to that of 'made in abyss', with good world building and a beautiful soundtrack would have absolutely rivaled Pokemon.

I do that with HoMM3 and Ahe of Wonders 1

Age'

Lol

What playing nothing but modern triple A games does to a mf...

What games do you usually play?

Probably COD and other fps​@@trashdakid3682

You are not playing good games, is all.

@@Paraguai123 Oh is that it. Wow I'm so enlightened now.

😂

Your welcome to but im going watch the entire video thanks.

😂 fr that was funny

Same

Are you a hungry shark?

Dude what ?

I dont think you know what "dead on arrival" means

It was undead on arrival.

its like a dead baby inside a basket

@@rocky258258😂😂 the worst kind of baby

@@sugarbomb1346 I don't think I care what you think.

They just need to put good gameplay and cute/hot girls, and the game will sell. It's that easy, they just need to fire all woke bastards from their company or shut them down, and put people whom actually want to make a game instead of a propaganda piece for their ideology and to get brony points on X. Heck, they could even make a game about fuckin' communism, a literal playable biography of Lenin himself set in Russia about his rise to power, and if the gameplay is good and there are cute Russian girls, the game will sell!

@@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person like Atomic Heart

Also it has a crap ton of mods to enhance the experience or add to it