As someone who grew up near this mall, a majority of my life this place was empty and had weird back room vibes. The only places that seemed to get a crowd were the movie theater,JCPenneys, American Eagle, and Aeropostale back in the 2000s. Also, they would host child beauty pageants on that weird center stage lol. The mall is just in a rural, RURAL area and kind of out of the way. It’s easy to forget about when there’s more “mainstream” malls, outlets, and movie theaters not too faraway in Maryland or closer to Harrisburg. I’m shocked to see that even ONE store is surviving there! BUT Bonanza is like a steakhouse/buffet (similar to a Hoss or Ponderosa!).
@AppleSauce15, lol your username, I just had some applesauce!😄To me the "dead mall series" is so sad tho because it's like the end of an era. We have one mall left & it's on the other side of the city... Not only has it decreased in business to what it once was it's not even worth the travel. I remember as a kid just waiting for the weekend to hit the local mall, mostly for game time in the Arcade! We also went with family to different events, sometimes a small "car show" or other promotions/holiday events. We'd frequently catch a movie or two near every weekend. They also had an ice skating rink which was nice but knowing I was not the most stable on roller skates, let alone ice skates, I spectated. I♥'d going by the snack shops where there would be a variety of peanuts sitting under warm lamps, my mom's fave was always the "redskins" (I miss you mom, dad, Pops ~_~) They also had a cookie shop where the cookies rotated on trays and those soft, warm chocolate-chip cookies, my goodness, those things were perfect and like ~4 inches in diameter! I ♥'d the waterfalls/fountains too, everyone tossed coins in. Dad always had to check out the latest tools in the "hardware" stores but us kids just wanted to go gaming! As time went on, I realized how precious it was being with family even when it's something as mundane as just "a few hours at the mall." It's just sad watching the malls go away because these were places where you spent time with those you love who've also "gone away."
You probably remember Bonanza moved from Rt 30 @Fayetteville. I bet they regretted that move. And then moved back on Rt. 30 across from Lowe's and is now called Ryan's.
Bonanza was in Canada as well, along with Ponderoda, and Sizzlers.died out with the 80s Great to see the Myth, The Man, The Legendary Dan Bell back again! #DMOD
You're the best!!! Loved your last video of the stadium in Miami, I'm such a giant fan ❤❤❤ also loved the videos on the Costa Concordia, the oceanos and those abandoned condos/beach resort in Florida that George Bush visited
I worked for a GC in the late 80s and early 90s that did the tenant finish work for smaller chain stores in malls around the DC and Philly areas. I spent a lot of time in malls back in those days, much of it after hours making a lot of noise. I too would have been blown away to think the mall era would come to a close a couple decades later, considering how popular they were at the time. Your videos hold a special and nostalgic place in my heart.
Black Rose just posted this: With a heavy heart, we are announcing that our store will be closing our doors tenatatively June 30. Vendors are putting deep discounts on their booths. Come in now for great bargains!
When I’m depressed or really stoned I come back to your Dead Mall series and the sadness becomes melancholy, then to happiness. Thanks Dan, cheers from Canada.
if you're smoking weed and you still have melancholy and depression, you're smoking too much. weed is a magical healing drug but too much every day is bad and can cause depression like symptoms. I know. It is hard to quit weed
@@motojunkie8348 I don’t, I said when I’m depressed OR stoned. Cannabis saved my life from PTSD and chronic pain, and it’s side effects are contentment and peace. Guess I could have worded my sentence better, sorry about that, cheers from Canada dude.
I love how the buckets haphazardly strewn around in a futile attempt to capture some leaks and utterly failing at that task have DO IT RIGHT written on them
The only analogy that comes to mind is that of the Titanic going down. Literally a sinking boat, yet the few people still there come to watch movies or work like its any other day.
I loved Dan's uncharacteristic laughing as he imagined the old people shambling through this backrooms-esque building, diligently noting every 1/8th of a mile they covered while making their circuits around the oversized tomb.
@@Purple93hf9e Heh, that's funny, because to me I imagined it more like background zombies from an episode of The Walking Dead. Maybe my impression was influenced by the later scene of the barricaded off section of the mall with more severe water damage, which might as well have had "Don't Open, Dead Inside" written on it.
Understand that one of the healthiest, cheapest and medically suggested activities that fixed-income seniors can do is walking...and during the summer heat, the mall is air conditioned and free. (It was obviously a more stimulating environment back when all of the stores were open...So why not have those signs to encourage seniors to walk and possibly spend a bit?) I have to admit that I became a "mall walker" for a few weeks last summer when the weather became outrageously hot in SoCal and my home became an oven. PS. Wetzel’s Pretzels can eat shit with their doughy awful garbage. Ptuey!
I worked at 3 places in this mall, a video game store, the theater, and Black Rose. Those back halls were always creepy and the center stage was only used at Christmas time for pictures with Santa when I was there. Bonanza was a restaurant and it moved in town. Experiencing the slow death of this mall was interesting and a little sad. Thanks for capturing a weird fixture of my hometown!
@@PrinceAsmodeusit honestly was nice, close to Maryland so you could go to all the nice huge malls, but Chambersburg has sooooo many nice local restaurants and is a melting pot of people.
Hey Dan, not sure if you'll read this but I am happy you're still making the Dead Mall Series. It may be silly to say, but this series has been with me through very tough times in my life. Something about your voice, the music, and the non chaotic atmosphere of dead malls really calmed me down and kept me in a good, relaxing place, if not for a little bit. So thank you for making these videos, Dan!
I couldn't agree more. When I'm really in a bad place, I'll rewatch some "classic Dan" that I haven't watched in a few years. I will say the alarm forever beeping in the apocalyptic Ames still haunts my dreams.
Watching Dan Bell feels like a Saturday morning when you were a kid. Wearing your favorite pajamas and eating your favorite cereal without a care in the world.
Just an FYI. Bonanza was the poor sister of Pondarosa, Same style restaurant. They were both were owned by Pondarosa. I worked at a Bonanza in high school, the food was terrible. I was busing tables and a family was leaving, the dad said thanks for dog food. I said your right:) love the video made me chuckle.
I spent so much time at this mall growing up! My uncle's comic shop was there for 20 years (left in 2018). The mall's been on a slow decline since the Valley Mall in Hagerstown MD was redone... but I've never seen it like this. RIP Chambersburg Mall
This was the mall of my youth in the 80’s and 90’s before I moved to Florida. I remember a comic shop… must had been your uncle’s. We lived in Greencastle, so this and Valley Mall were our go-tos, but Chambersburg seemed to be our most frequented. Remember Georgio’s restaurant near Hess’s? We loved that place. My mom worked at Bon-Ton, then later Fashion Bug.
9:01 I wasn’t allowed to go to theaters growing up (religious household), but I finally went for the first time when I was 19 to THIS theater in 1998. Saw “Godzilla”, starring Matthew Broderick. Went with my best friend. His kinda ex-girlfriend came with her gal friend (unplanned) and sat in front of us. After the movie, my buddy and his ex ended up making out in the parking lot for a moment while I stood awkwardly by. Makes me laugh to look back at that now. These dead malls are filled with so many human memories and moments.
That haunted Toys R Us in Sunnyvale is a Rei store now, but before it was taken over by Rei, they’d turn it into a Spirit store for Halloween which was pretty funny.
So I grew up in the bay area and we would tell ghost stories about that toys r us to each other as kids. I know who Sylvia Browne is-but I don't get the joke in the beginning. Was she full of crap about that store? I just remember her always on wild 94.9 radio station back in the day.
As per your usual outstanding! You crack me up... being of the mall generation this is so sad to me. Where I live the mall is still very much up and running, thank goodness. I am of the generation that likes to actually physically shop rather than purchase everything via the internet. Those long, empty hallways remind me of a bad horror movie. Looking forward to your next video!
I was sketchy about the first long hallway, but that one at the end literally creeped me out with how endless it seemed. You'd not catch me going down there alone, I don't care how bright it is or how empty it looks. That's about 40 meters of _nope._ As usual, nothing daunts Dan. You have the heart of an explorer, my friend. I'm so glad you're still at it.
It sure is clean and shiny. And the plants are so well cared for. And what is the deal with the four person tables at regular intervals with no old food joints? Totally worth the drive!!!
It’s crazy that no one thought to redecorate this place in all this time!!! 😱 If you need to make a movie about life in the early 80s and it has scenes in a mall, this is the place!!! It’s like having a time machine!! 🤪 Cheers
Finally, the Dead Mall legend himself has documented Chambersburg Mall. 😁👍🏻 This was the mall of my youth in the 80’s and 90’s before I moved to Florida. So many good memories of Friday nights spent there with my family. Glad that they’re still playing the music from that time period. Lol. My Mom worked at the Bon-Ton 7:41 and later Fashion Bug. I remember Hess’s and remember when JCPenney came in its place. My grandparents and I would enjoy the buffet at Bonanza. Thanks for making the trip there, Dan. This needed to be in your collection.
Especially considering the fact with the AMC gone this mall's days are probably numbered. I wouldn't be surprised if in a year's time there's nothing left but the Black Rose building.
Dead malls that are just hanging on by a thread like this one is make me legitimately depressed. I grew up in the golden age of shopping malls and watching them die makes me sad.
Honestly, that empty Payless Shoe Source entrance made me happy. Knowing that their crappy shoes are gone forever. I lost count how many times me and grandmother went there to buy shoes. Only to have them fall apart after 3 months no matter how much the shoes cost
Well Payless is problem as they were extremely overpriced and yeah I can't say the shoes for shit and they most likely didn't have a lot of sizes available after all it was the mall. As far as the quality of Walmart issues go well it's certainly not like it was made by an actual cobbler but I could certainly say that I have a pair of Walmart shoes and I just yesterday noticed a small hole and yet I've had the issues for going on 10 months. I've always had decent life with Walmart shoes of course I'm not a brand conscious idiot because I realize that all shoes are pretty much made on the same fucking Chinese production line since so together by the same poor little 12 year old.
It’s insane that you posted this video because I’m currently visiting some family here in Chambersburg and when my dad told me about a mall nearby that had no stores my heart jolted. You Dan Bell started this passion for me and to walk around the mall just to come home, search your channel up so I can binge watch all the videos again, I see that the most recent post is about that same mall! I feel like I walked the same steps as Arnold Armstrong or something like that 😮💨 keep doing you!
I always used to go here with my ma before she passed away. Fond memories of asking “hey ma could we go so I can get some cool pictures inside” and then every so often, we’d get food and head up there. She’d hang out at the Bath & Bodyworks, and I’d walk down the main stretch of the mall and get pictures of all the storefronts. Thanks for uploading and reminding me of better times, I miss her.
Great job as always Dan! Your short films have come a long way, I'm so happy to see how much you've grown as a filmmaker. Keep it up. You're an inspiration.
Hope you’ve been doing well my friend, just wanna say thanks for all the quality content over the years! You’ve helped me develop a fascination with all things abandoned, and I’m immensely grateful for you. Cheers, Dan!
Great video Dan. Loved the opening tribute to Sylvia 'poopy' Brown. Love seeing grief mongering con artists get destroyed by indigestion. By the way, your right. Bonanza was a restaurant. A buffet/steakhouse chain in the eighties till they got bought out by Ponderosa. My second job as a young teenager was as a table busser-dishwasher at Bonanza in '88 in central ohio.
Videos like these may seem weird to Gen Z, but if you grew up in the 80s and 90s (the 80s in particular), you would understand just how special these places were.
there's exceptions to that, i live not even a half hour drive from the largest mall in the US and I spent my childhood in many malls that were thriving (or at least somewhat busy)
Nah, I'm Gen Z and it feels weird to me. I grew up going to malls in the 2000s, and even now still meet friends to do some window shopping on a Friday. Of course, I'm also from New Jersey, where mall culture never really died in the first place.
Good to see your still uploading Dan...always loved your content, especially the exploring ones. You were always the original and one of my favourites.
Dan... you are one of the greatest masters of your chosen genre ever filmed and uploaded onto RU-vid. Nobody does it quite like you and there's no substitute for you. So glad you're back, Dan! ❤
Bonanza was the bomb back in the day! Was like an Outback, served steak & baked potatoes, had a stellar buffet of salad, food, burritos & tacos and ice cream as well!!! Was one of my favorite places to eat & much better than the crappy buffets around today.
Deader than dead mall! Bonanza was a steak house restaurant chain kinda like Rustler I believe. Love the diagonal plank board style, that was so common in malls in the 70’s - 80’s.
I’ve realized recently that I really miss in person shopping and I’ve even gotten really nostalgic about it. Browsing record stores and checking out all that new band merch. Trying out guitars I’m never gonna buy. Checking out those all in one CD/cassette players. Etc etc. None of that exist in this town anymore tho so I literally have to do all my shopping online these days too. So I guess I’m also part of the problem, involuntarily. But it just feels so very dystopian to me to just have stuff sent to you from a warehouse, and all those friendly clerks that used to greet you are now droning around in the back of some storage facility. EDIT: Maybe this doesn’t really apply to malls tho. More like they killed regular stores in the city centers, then online store killed malls, and now we’re left with nothing at all locally.
Now the internet literally had zero to do with the decline of fall shopping centers or retailers in general. The evidence is as follows.... First off all retailers and or the vast majority of retailers have all had a fucking website between 1995 definitely by 1998 meaning they are and have been the internet so they can't get away with blaming the internet while they are the internet... The second reason blaming the internet is a little bunk is simply because now there's an income deficiency across the population and by the way as times went on if you gauge it from the mid to late nineties through today you will find that it's gotten worse. Of course that time frame also coincides with the decline of balls and other assorted businesses within the retail trade. Another reason that basically backs up the other two reasons is simply if I don't have the 5 10 20 40 50 bucks if I don't have the $15,300 to hand to the likes of a brick and order store in my area then what in the fuck makes you think that I would have any of those dollar denomination to pass out across the internet? The world we live in is primarily either you have the money or you don't and basically we really don't have the money. This reason backs up everything I said before even more like at the most of these retailers you'll find that in and around 2005 they all took a billions upon billions of dollars dead and by the way have never quit these companies are heavily saturated in tens of billions of dollars of debt they have run themselves out of business for the most part. This is why what affordable cheap prices did exist at one point a lot of people want to blame the banking system a lot of people talk about inflation yes inflation but let's look at where the inflation is created particularly within retail trade. About 50% of the fucking price that you're paying down at any retailer I got news for you it's made up inflation they're just charging it out because they know they can't and if there's any customers out there with any qualms about paying these prices particularly here within the past 3 years then these businesses will explain it away through supposed shipping costs they'll explain it away that their wholesale cost went up. But I can certainly tell you as a retail manager and business person with over 20 years experience I can certainly say yeah for a minute shipping cost did go up a little bit however they're back down to normal levels so any retailer feeding you that horse shit is lying. The mess that we are in today got started a very long time ago to those of us that are more as aware of this and have been following it for pretty much the majority of our lives it's no surprise to Us by the way I'm 38 I got started very young. blaming the internet is a lot of shit and the reason it's a load of shit or shall I say yet another reason it's a little shit it's simply because it's a piss for excuse used by bad management that have driven these companies into the ditch due to taking on mass amounts of debt and other is sort of piss poor business decisions at the same time it'll also serves as a stupid excuse handed to stupid people by asshole politicians who will not take any responsibility for the mess that the nation as a whole is in! Here's some numbers for you. Online retail only makes up 8 to 10% of all retail sales at any given time meaning 90 plus percent is actually still happening in the brick and mortar and fire but the reason for the downturn there again is simply you know even though Bob Bill George might go down to the store a couple of times a week they're buying less and less every time they go there of course some of this does coincide with recent price there again most of which are fictional and don't actually need to happen. In other words it's very easy to argue or you could say the cheap shot towards the industry as a whole is simply that these retailers are pricing themselves out of existence yes they are however they're doing so due to their credit obligations they have no choice they have to soak One customer as if two customers are buying that item. The problem with that strategy is simply it only works until it doesn't look at Sears by the way pennies isn't far behind neither is Macy's or Kohl's. The problem is simply what most of the public never gets to see is huge fucking bloat that's involved in retail and that's the public hears terms like wholesale they hear terms like shipping they hear terms like supplier but they don't see the bigger picture that makes up the entire business or do they get to see the bloat. The only time the public really gets to see any of the bloat is with three cell stores or known as closeout stores like Big lots or Ollie's parking outlet or nowadays the pallet stores are a big deal. To open up a pallet store basically what you need is a building and you need to be able to take a semi truck you don't need a dock you just need a way to unload a semi truck of basically 26 pallets of random shit and you know what this 26 pallets of random shit cost you? Roundabouts 13 to 1600 dollars depending upon the load and here's the deal you don't really know what's in that limit but there's usually good shit. That's the back end of the business the public does not realize when they walk into the pallet store or even the closeout store that they're seeing the bloat of retail they're seeing the fact that the bigger retailers can't sell this shit all by the way you not only get Walmart and Target pallets you get Amazon stuff now that's been happening for years most of you people don't know this shit I know it because I work in the industry I see it everyday! So my advice to anyone is if your town does not have get yourself a building get yourself a couple of pallet jacks you can buy the Muse get yourself a forklift some type used right those are your expensive arrangements your building that's going to be another expense up front so basically let's just say for 8 Grand you can start one of these fucking stores and within a month you're going to see profits. You can literally clean up on this it's a very simple business now I expect someday you're probably not going to be able to someday the retailers May figure out a way to deal with this stuff themselves they may decide to go through the expense of creating a spin-off store. But to be honest joints like Walmart Target etc they've got enough problems on your hand it's been off to sell the items that they can't sell or to deal with the excess of inventory honestly it would be more of a nightmare for them to deal with it's just much easier to sell off each pallet and the hell with it!
I think what we have lost with malls going away and local businesses also struggling is just the sense of going to the store and buying what you see without knowing what you wanted to get. Being suprised at a deal or even just window shopping, thinking about saving up to get what you want another time or in the future.
As someone who derides consumerism on an intellectual level this makes me feel uneasy on an emotional level. It's a weird combination of a childhood lost, an abstract nightmare, and a realization that all of our important toils will some day be only like this dead mall. The feelings and moods this stirs up is why I cherish your dead mall videos.
Take it from me, no matter what you do, or how hard you work nor what you ultimately achieve, it is all for not and will result in decay. Have a nice day!.
I work in CCTV in the UK and have worked in a few shopping mall control rooms from time to time. So many malls built in the 80s are crumbling away, leaks all over the place. Many of them poorly bulit and not helped by lack of investment for maintenance. I have often walked through malls at night when they are closed, all the lights off whistling the Gonk theme from Dawn of the Dead😊
Never been to the Chambersburg Mall but you're correct Dan, Bonanza was a restaurant it was a steak house type of place and they did some items buffet at times. They used to be all over, I remember slices of cakes up front where you would order and get your drinks wrapped in cling film. When your steak or food would come out it would be on those plates that had metal so your steak or chicken would be sizzling on your plate. I'm surprised they went out of business because in my childhood in the 1980s every Bonanza around me would be packed especially on Friday night, Saturdays and Sundays.
This Bonanza was packed every Friday, Saturday night for most of the years. I don't do lines much over 4 people so my (now ex) wife got perturbed cause we walked around till it was 'time'. I spent many an hour and many a $ in that mall and walked many a mile. We love to walk ([now] wife is retired letter carrier) and on those cold, dreary, wet miserable weeks of crappy PA weather this was our walk area as we lived about 3 miles s east. I left area 12 years ago (FL) so when we were there about 10? stores plus the Brothers Pizza was still open, we supported them for years. Think it closed approximately '15?. It had one of the best JC Penney stores I ever shopped in and the Sears was more than adequate. I still have a side stand, magazine rack combo I bought at Gee Bees for $10 'bout 30? years ago. Still looks new. Can't bring myself to part with it. That mall was built in Scotland and not Chambersburg because of a money thing regarding upgrading sewer, water or some such. People knew it was bad decision but......peons know nothing, college boys most likely decided. Never be any sort of comeback now because of the building up just south of there on what was the Gabler Farm right off 81. Once that was announced everyone knew lights out for the mall.
This video made my day , love the Dead mall series and seeing new content , the intro was great .. Love the old school brown tile floor in this mall reminds me of the mall as a kid before they started renovating most of them ..its amazing this place is still open when much more modren malls have closed and been demolished in recent years ..
I was born and raised about 10 minutes from this mall, so many childhood memories from the early 2000's! Hung out there many of Friday nights! Sad to see it in this shape. Thanks for sharing!
This mall reminds me a lot of the one in Vestal, NY. A ton of similar design elements. Made me feel like I'd been there even though I'm positive I haven't.
I grew up near Chambersburg so seeing the mall's gradual decline from a regular, decently populated shopping center into this ghost town has been depressing, to say the least
This place gives that backrooms vibe, kinda creepy. Here in Ukraine, especially in Kyiv and majority of cities malls are kind packed with people, but I remember 1 mall in Chernivtsi city, it's also very much vacant and empty
I find it fascinating how clean that mall is! Very eerie, feeling, and it’s a shame what’s happening to all the malls throughout America. All because of Walmart and Amazon pretty much. And it sucks. 💔🥺😢
Was having a bad night, but seeing a Dan Bell video just release was like medicine for me. This mall is on my bucket list for sure. And speaking of buckets, that area in front of the kids play center looked like something from ADR
Honestly turn it into a rink, a club, a general hang out spot with updated everything. Would be a hell of a place to go to. Can imagine a new spin on a "mall" thats equal parts shopping, skating, dancing, fancy eating...
I have been to this mall in real life, it is crazy because I remember when it was still alive. I went there before it was shut down with my grandfather not too long ago. We saw all the closed stores and such. We actually went up on the stage in the center. While walking around we saw a bunch of elderly people walking, not even talking to each other just walking. We called them “Mall Zombies” lol. I remember watching movies in that theater. Good times.
it is surreal seeing this mall on here, I went here as a kid, Im about 90% sure that store to the left of the stage at 7:17 with the black corner shaped sign area used to be a Gamestop, I remember seeing one of the worst PS2 games in there as well as a used copy of one of the rarest, yeah Bonanza was a western themed restaurant, saw The DeVinci Code in that theater too
I love the way this man thinks. I have to say, my favorite part was the commentary on the mall-walker signs 😆. Also, the blaring 80's elevator pop in juxtaposition with...well, everything. 😏
Now my dreams will be haunted by the sight of belching Sylvia Browne... Also 13:08 like how you have to enter the Backrooms to get to their Customer Service / Office. Total A-SYNC vibes.
I live in Chambersburg! I kept thinking I should suggest the mall for the Dead Mall series, but always thought it "died" too recently to be interesting. Last time I was there, the only stores open was the AMC theater, Black Rose, a T-Mobile store, and Bath & Body Works. During the pandemic, the Burlington Coat Factory site was being used as a vaccination clinic by Wellspan Health. Apparently the mall has been bought by UPMC
@@rhiannahhepfer4342 Yea, looking into it more, I can't find anything definitive about it either really. There was also a joke on April Fools Day that AMC bought it out entirely and would open a megaplex cinema, with dozens of screens and multiple food options. Everyone was hype for that until they realized what day it was announced...
Well. AMC closing followed by the recent announcement Black Rose is closing and the complete lack of attempts to make repairs tells me this mall is going to be demolished within a year or two.
You are right. I used to live at the mall it seemed in the 80’s, especially at summertime. Orange Julius, anyone? AMC Theater and just hang out to watch people…..
That very well could have been me, because I did have it posted which I just removed those posts, but I did talk about how malls were a tax shelter it's basically a place where rich people used to stash their money while they dodged certain amounts of taxes while they turn around and make more money off the investment it's common business practice. Basically what screwed their little game out was as the income deficiency across the population has increased and as a result of that of course we know that most jobs don't really sustain much of a living so people are basically being forced to government systems they still spend a little bit of money that they have in class they still contribute to the area this is true however it's as we're seeing in the case of malls but all kinds of other retailers it's not a lot of business to actually sustain a healthy amount of businesses in each area. So what's happening is basically you have the taxpayer base moving out or converting into not taxpayers and as a result of this happening the local governments have went after shopping centers malls etc as a means of collecting even more money meaning tax shelter. Of course by now most malls are owned by huge conglomerate holdings companies. And there's conglomerates there yet and operate more than one so to keep the Dead one open basically it sustains a certain amount of loss that they can send right off as a means of protecting their entire business portfolio. It's very common there's a lot of corporations do it. It's like for instance CBS used to own a lot of radio stations but a lot of those radio stations were not profitable however they kept the unprofitable stations going rather than sell them off because they got a huge write-off for this offset the costs of the other profitable stations. Basically malls and shopping centers I really no different eventually they will sell them off or they will closed them and denial responsibility for the property. And of course the faceless corporation can usually get away with that sort of bad respect because they're a located way far away on state if not the head corporation is for tax purposes based out of the Cayman Islands you can't exactly drag any of these people in the court so the cities are basically stuck with a fucking mess and then they have to go through certain channels legal litigation to team control of these properties so that they can demolish them and then put the property up for repurpose! And of course you know the city is always looking for the cheapest way to do it it is a cheap way to do 30 year and a lot of cases and a lot of other cases it may take the better half of 5 years to get anywhere if they're lucky. Sometimes it depends on whether or not the money particularly taxes that's usually the quickest way that the city could get a hold of it!
