Deathloop on PlayStation 5: The Digital Foundry Tech Review 

Sniper ghost warrior contracts 1 and 2 are

@@emulation2369 Actually they were great, too -- though less demanding. Prey completely buckled on all the Jaguar CPU consoles - it chugged, didn't feel good, but the PC version proved to be superbly well-optimized with headroom for high settings at 60fps~ on even humble older i5 + Rx480/Gtx1060 combos.

Deathloop is using the Void Engine, as seen in Dishonored 2 and Death of The Outsider. Seems like they've optimized it a whole lot more since then, but some tiny quirks are still visible.

@@XeZrunner Tiny quirks... being close to unplayable is not a tiny quirk.

@@AJ-xv7oh If the rumors of unplayability being caused by Denuvo are true then we'll have to wait and see for the clean version.

I couldn't remember what this reminded me of, but that's it!! You played a female lead and one level you are in a trailer park and a tornado is going on right??

I'm hoping since the Fox Interactive got absorbed into Disney and their much more proactive about working with partners to re-release classic games that something can actually get sorted out with Activision and WB Games but its a long shot.

@@CodyHimselfXI Kate Archer her name ;) I Would love to play NOLF 1&2 fully remake. I know there are some issues with all the devs and it’s hard to know who own the rights for the game and that’s why it can’t be done as remaster/remake or even put on digital sell. Unfortunately

@@Notyourdaddy83 What game?

@@nonyabusiness6084 No One Lives Forever 1&2 :)

Manuel Cruz: 👌

Sorry, I'm a little confused on this, I don't own a PS5, never played a RnC game, how does 40fps with 120Hz work? in order to make use of 120 Hz, you should need 120 FPS, at 40 fps you are only really getting 40hz with a bunch of redundant frames on the display. Maybe there's a different meaning, or maybe it's like 40 FPS with RT and 120 without?

@@CarlosElPeruacho When saying 40 is better, it's compared to 30. It solves the problem when console power is not enough to do 60, but 30 is way too less frames per second. But 40fps is only good with 120hz though.40fps with 60hz is a mess with frame pacing issue.

@@CarlosElPeruacho The game only renders 40 fps, but outputs the same frame 3 times at 120 Hz. You get a 30% input lag reduction while removing the judder that you normally get from running a game at 40 fps on a 60 Hz fixed refresh rate screen.

@@CarlosElPeruacho with 120hz enabled, you can get 4K at 40 fps WITH Ray Tracing enabled. It’s incredible. The 40fps makes a HUGE difference. It’s so much closer to 60fps feeling than 30. Day and night difference

@@CarlosElPeruacho 40 multiplies into 120hz is my understanding of it. Whereas 30 causes stutters as its not divisible

On that note, drop the resolution on the raytracing mode a smidgen for a 40fps/120hz mode. Those on 60hz screens can enjoy more resolution at 30fps

Dishonored 2 on PC was also horrible. Stutters, frame pacing issues... Weird, sustained and massive frame drops on occasions... I don't know what happened after first Dishonored, because that game was flawless in performance area.

@@Gkhn32 Yup. Issue feels similar with Deathloop.

arkane games always run like shit

@@Gkhn32 It still is dude It's a horrible experience

I will say most of sony studios definitely know how to optimize a game insomniac especially they remind me of naughtydog in the sense of knowing how to make absolutely beautiful games and some how get perfect or near perfect performance

@@intheendweallsmellthefoot naughty dog was probably one of the only devs that really managed to optimise games as fully as possible for the complex architecture of the ps3. For the ps5 we really only have insomniac to go on for now, their showing has been the most impressive. But then again it was also a purely PS5 exclusive so they had the chance to completely focus their attention on one piece of hardware

@@alolanstarboy Yeah high end exclusives are always able to do more than multiplats. Its just a given. Id love to see multiplats reach the fidelity of Insomniac exclusives, but it just isnt realistic sadly

@@alolanstarboy that absolutely true haha when developing for one specific hardware it's absolutely easier but still there wizards with tech and can't wait to see what they do now that they are probably more familiar with the ps5 after R&C

Ratchet is a platformer, very different designed games.

This game has all the aspects I love in a roguelite, but none of the crap that I don't. I have a few issues with this game however love that a studio took a new route.

I like the formula but man is returnal a nightmare. Especially with those bots shooting laser from their ass and shit

Due to over advertisment i lost hype but my hype is back up after watching some gameplay and im sold. I have returnal and that game is my goty im a big fan of roguelike,and deathloop might be up my alley.

I passed on Returnal at launch as it was a game I usually wouldn’t go for. I picked it up a few days ago thinking it would be just a filler game and it really surprised me. On Biome 5 now and I’m having a hard time putting it down. Not sure if I want to start Deathloop right now or finish up in Returnal. Played Deathloop a bit and it’s another fun, unique, and interesting game. Nice to see Sony offering different types of games lately. I love the usual style titles we get, but it’s definitely refreshing to see some variety. Returnal is a ton of fun and I’m enjoying Deathloop so far as well. Never played Dishonored but I loved Prey and the DLC for it. Arkane definitely makes some unique titles.

@@cooler145 the worst for me was those flying bots that shoot rockets and suicide into you. So hard to track and dodge the rockets personally.

1080p 60FPS with Raytracing would be awesome

@@Cxs1a3 he's talking about ps5😐

Yea they should have done 1080p with ray tracing and 60fps which it should easily hit with the drop from trying to hit 4k.

At least with RT AO only, in 1440p at 45-50 fps would be probably enough, if not that broken frame pacing.

@@Cxs1a3 PC is also a platform chock full of dunderheads who are too far up their own arses, exactly like you have demonstrated

Is anyone else even doing tech breakdowns and analyses like this?

@@omarcomming722 El analista de bits, but he doesn't have a team like the DF boys

How about they talk to DF before the game releases so they can fix their shit

@@Bcap222 Alex alone can smell bad frame-pacing and in-correctly implemented V-Sync without any tools lol..

@@Bcap222 that guy is good.

shill

That's why I love Xbox Studios 😍

Arkane has also done remasters lol

@@martosraynierideljesus7454 loool this game was not made under Xbox studios. Shit was was in development before they were even acquired. Now that they are they're making a LFD knockoff with looter shooter shit. Rip Arkane.

And yet its trash l.

Hey Ross, what are your thoughts on each mode now?

No replayability , there is online one way to finish the game

@@freshnesbro3792 nope, multiple outcomes to multiple game modes

Sounds good

@@sdo1840 you've beaten the game already, bud?

VR likely won’t happen since it’s part of Microsoft now. Cool potential thought, though.

In short : don't buy it.

I'd be surprised if they did. Seems almost all their videos over the last months have shifted to console videos.

Regarding the stutter on PC. Arkane's void engine needs to be locked at either exactly 30, 60, or 120fps to avoid stutter. I recommend locking the frame rate using an external tool like Nvidia Control Panel. I had stutter even with VRR until I researched this on Reddit. Now it's perfect.

Req a very beefy processor. It's not stuttering on my friends rx 5800x but it's stuttering sometimes on My i7 4790k.

I heard it was denuvo or some other DRM calls causing the stuttering. Wouldn't surprise me after the cheeky shit crapcom tried to pull with re village.

This game can’t even run at 60/1800p plenty of big ps5 games can run at 120/1800p something doesn’t seem right here.

Why dont you get to work fixing it then? Always crybabies in the comments

@@SL1CEND1CEN It's not his game or engine. Duh.

@@SL1CEND1CEN Pipe down, Kev Go take nap.

@@SL1CEND1CEN How would that work?

DF Retro NOLF when? One of the best, if not the best looking game of 2000.

Play on PC, if you want this capabilities. Changing FOV affects performance, it's difficult to implement with fixed console performance.

@@nexonsu fair point if it wasn’t for absolutely loads of other console games on next bloody gen especially allowing it

I really hate the acceleration, the dual sense is very precise, developers think gamers cant handle it, just because they (developers) are not use to it.

Its single Player. Chill and enjoy the Game and the open world. Why you must rush and move like on coffeine while playing single Player?

@@TSE_WOODY .

i hate people saying pc better just cos they spent £3000, the ps5 is best end of, soon consoles will be better than pc, very soon

What a trash engine if you need to vsync it. Especially today when everyone has a Freesync or Gsync monitor. Was going to get it but no, Arkane has to step their game on PC, this is acceptable for a small indie team maybe.

Yep, I still don't understand what is wrong with PC version. I played 2-3 hours today at 5900X+RTX3080TI and it works very well at 4K with maxed out settings without any DLSS\FSR bullshit.

@@daysgone2997 That makes no sense. PC hardware gets refreshed every single year and consoles get refreshed every 4 or so years. So no.

@@daysgone2997 in what term better ? user friendliness, yes. Raw Performance, never.

I don't understand why this seem like a low priority to them

@@adriank8792 John took a vacation. He loves the game. But is now behind schedule. So it probably won't happen.

I think it would make sense to do the tech review when the PS5 version comes out. To compare the 2 versions. I suspect they are waiting for that.

@@TheDomLouis There won't be a PS5 version. The game was only promised for PS4 in the kickstarter, and that was prior to the Microsoft acquisition. No way a Microsoft studio will go out of their way to release a PS5 version with no incentive.

They already announced the specs for every console before launch, not sure there's much to talk about

Once console gamers are able to see 144+ its a whole new realm, even 60 looks trash

@@slippynipz that's true but at least 60 fps is decent compare to 30 fps that doesn't feel playable no more lol

@@slippynipz the first time I played an FPS at 144 frames, I was shocked by the difference. I love my PS5, but play games with RTX on pc because it’s usually a much higher quality.

That’s why I’ll wait for the pc version to fix performance and hopefully add dlss.

What games you playing? Lol. I have a rtx3080 and am playing ps5 all day while Im waiting for forza to release to finally game on the pc again. Ps5 is much better to game on because of dual sense, insane load speeds, simplicity and reliability, exclusives and the couch. All of those are impossible to get on the pc except the couch but even thats worse on pc.

It's just a standard Arkane PC release. They've got nothing but contempt for the PC gamer.

Its a frame pacing issue. At the begining i was running 160fps at 1440p Ultra on my 3080 PC, but when i get more into the bigger area, it just goes straight to frame pacing nonstop.

@@pcgameboy8407 I heard capping the frame rate to 60 helps. Does that work?

@@AJ-xv7oh and they’re right about it. PC is full of pirates. I expect AT LEAST 25% of this game’s pc players will be pirates. That’s what y’all get for pirating games just like Xbox fans got an unfinished halo and a underwhelming Forza 5 because of not spending money and asking for everything to be free on an unprofitable gamepass

@@superjasim From one PS5 fan to another, please stop giving PS5 fans a bad name.

Sure hope it ain't the same engine as dishonored 2 because that was a horrible port on pc

Dishonored crossed with the mooncrash DLC of prey

@@dushikorsou1 It is still on the Void Engine, which is based on ID Tech.

Looks like it

@@dushikorsou1 ACG could barely get this game running on ultra settings with his 3080.

Yah the voice acting is really well done and entertaining in this. Colt reacts how most of us would in this situation.

@@ramonandrajo6348 Thanks... Ramon.. For letting us know anti Black racism is alive in well in the Latino community.

@@ramonandrajo6348 how is this woke

@@ramonandrajo6348 I’m playing it now and haven’t seen anything woke in it. And I hate woke shit.

@@ramonandrajo6348 that doesn’t mean anything though. Bro, I hate woke shit so much. And this game is not woke. Having a black character is not woke. Having a female character is not woke. I feel like just having a female or a black character sets people off these days as something being woke. I’d say yes if it’s a clear race or gender swap of a different character. These are new characters, which is what people always say they should do instead of race swapping. And I would agree. There is no woke dialogue in here though. Yah you have a female assassin hunting down Cole, I think they used to date, but she has weapons. She’s not fist fighting Cole and body slamming him. And nothing is thrown in your face like usual woke games. Honestly it’s a fun game. Don’t play it if it doesn’t look interesting. But if you’re only passing because you think it’s woke, it’s just not there in this one.

I still have my disks for No One Lives Forever. I loved that game.

Unfortunately nolf 1 and 2 tend to crash often on win10, these games need remasters ffs.

@@MrHorst38 I haven't had any crashes in NOLF1 using the NOLF Modernizer (see pcgw). But I agree, I'd love if they got remasters, preferably by Nightdive. :) Unfortunately, I think the franchise is in some sort of copyright limbo iirc :\

I'm finding the same thing on pc, only with microstutter though but for me it's between levels, every now and then a level will load with incorrect frame pacing. To remedy it I quit the game and come back and it's perfect again, some gremlins are remaining in cache it seems.

Have noticed this too... especially frustrating when I've planned to charge my controller, only to come back to my controller uncharged and the PS5 needing to do a hardrive repair 😡

Ah thank you. What I've been doing is of I'm not leaving the game for longer than an hour, I just keep my PS5 powered on and put tv in sleep mode...lol.

70$

@@Rusty254 no.

@@Rusty254 it’s only 60 bucks. It’s a PS5 timed exclusive not a Sony first party exclusive. I actually preordered it and it gave 6 dollars off for preorder so was only 54 bucks for me.

Liking your ID man🤣

Oh, well in my country they priced it same as Sony exclusives.

The GTX 1080 isn't that far behind the PS5 graphically though. GTX 1080 = 8.873 TFLOPS. PS5 can do 10.23 TFLOPS theoretically, but real-world performance is closer to 9.2 TFLOPS

Keep capping it 10-15 FPS lower until it’s stable

@@ericthomas2388 I did try that last night when I first started playing. Made things much worse. The lower the frame rate the worse the game feels. It's AWFUL when locked to 60 fps. It feels and looks like the game is running at 15 fps when locked to 60. Something is majorly wrong with the PC version.

why are you bragging?

@@Hello-ig1px I don't know how you can equate explaining a performance problem with bragging.

Wow - I’ve been trying to decide if I should go pc or ps5. I have an RTX 3080. Are your issues bad enough that you’d recommend console over pc for deathloop?

i've got my framerate uncapped and no stuttering issues, i feel bad for the people that do have stuttering issues, i hope it gets resolved quickly.

Ty, but these fuckers need to fix it

@@KL-tn1xc what's your rig? Even people with higher end rigs dont run them as wel as they should be

120fps and 60fps work. All their games (on this engine), are like this. But good luck getting a locked 120fps in this terribly optimized game.

@@hioxd the fact that Arkane knows that the newer void engine runs like this since before Dishonored 2 infuriates me. Like, why introduce a frame rate limiter with arbitrary values when you know that the engine only runs at 30, 60 and 120. I had to spend an hour of my life researching and figuring this out because they are too incompetent. They could have only allowed these refresh rates or at least tell me in a quick message when I started the game about the quirk with the engine. Even the PS5s RT mode is running with bad frame pacing... It's 2021, this shouldn't be happening at all. The same thing happens with WRC 10 and their engine too. Your game engine should be able to scale with any frame rate, it's been like a decade since VRR has existed now!

What did Housemarque release?

@@Jinsh0 Returnal.

@@Jinsh0 returnal

Prey 2017 is may fav game from this decade

Deathdloop goty?

I can not even keep up with ID TECH generations. Whats the engine version in Rage 1?

@@SKY11211213 id tech 5.

Bias

Why would you want one? Idk why they're even doing this one.

@@Brandonhatesmayo 🤡

@@Brandonhatesmayo Agreed, looks like a pretty standard UE4 title

@@taurussho86 lol its on xbox to so how?

Apparently it's a better, more consistent experience on PS5 in terms of performance

@@duncanself5111 Yeah I’ve heard it’s unplayable on the other platforms.

Few frame dips in visuals mode & RTX

Isnt optimized "good" for the signature the low detailed textures from Arkane. Bloated performance.

@@adrianjaimes1908 the frame pacing on ray tracing on ps5 is still bad but not as bad as pc.... I was running it at locked 90+fps but it felt like 30fps due to bad frame pacing

Hahahahahahahahahah. Oh wait, you're serious ? Let me laugh even harder . HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@@Luke-fx9gw have you played it

Deathloop is pretty awesome. Fuck the haters

@SuperFly and of course it is is freaking Amazing!!!

@@Luke-fx9gw game is so good that I feel for other ppl,making immersive shooters really,Arkane never made a bad game,and this is no exception, the only studio along with Tango game works and ID that really hurt me when MS acquired Bethesda,because I really don't care or like Bethesda made games,but Bethesda publish games?? That's when their good when dealing with Awesome studios like Arkane

The dual sense features on this game for PS5 are really good, if not great. The weapons are punchy and interacting with the environment always produces a response in your controller.

@@Mosssy thank you.

The only thing they care about is frame rate…

Honestly on the few games I've played with it its added nothing to the game it just adds a click or makes it have some resistance, it's a gimmick unfortunately and a bit distracting rather than helpful

This isn't a game review. It's a technical review for graphics and performance.

It's messed up by Denuvo, it's even worst than Resident Evil village

@@picolete Not Denovo you fan boy goof.

Same here

Resolution would probably be around 1080p, with further cuts to shadows and draw distance and other such things compared to performance mode. Which already cant hold 1440p @60fps on lower graphics settings, without RayTracing. RayTracing is *super* heavy on performance. Especially on PS5 which has a low number of RT capable cores.

Same, can't possibly ever imagine playing this beautifully performing game at 30 just to experience the raytracing. The game is definitely designed for 60fps

Yea 30fps just isn't gonna happen. Metro Exodus managed to implement RT at 60fps and it's still close to native 4k even with all that.

I dont care enough about RT to ever play at 30fps lol doesn't really wow me 60fps always

Man I loved that game when it dropped

amazing game.

Lol. Par for the course.

Game looks last gen but performance is terrible

Reminds me of Dishonored 2, this engines suck

They are treating PC gamers with nothing but contempt at this point. I'm never going to give them my money again.

I think this game started development on the PS4. Too much evidence that it suffers from tech debt using a dated void engine. Still, it doesn't keep the game from being incredible to play. It's an easy recommend, even looking at games that have been pushing the graphical envelope.

it’s amazing to me we still don’t have VRR yet when it was a last gen feature. kind of regretting not waiting until a pro model since most games will be cross gen into 2023. 😞

Worst way possible in what.

runs great on my 3080 ti

@@grayfox1975 lol how much are they?

@@Cxs1a3 Both versions released at the same time weren't they?

@@wboumans it does..

Arkane struggles with performance for their last game and now this unfortunately and Insomniac just work great on the PS ecosystem they are magicians

It's looking pretty solid from few benchmarks I saw.

Yeah the starting area was flawless on my PC (3080/5900X) but soon after leaving the hub room, in the same area Alex ran into stuttering that one time on PS5, I get the microstutters similar to the 30FPS mode in this video, maybe a bit worse as it hitches. Apparently enabling nvidia's vsync and limiting to 60FPS can help.

I'm playing on a 3070 i7 10th gen and it's flawless 60 (externally locked) at 1440p with quality RTX on. No microstutter.

I forgot Kojima had motion sickness lol

true, this FOV is really bad, I had to legit leave fullscreen and put the video in the smallest non mignature size :/

PC version has FOV slider, I thought they became a thing on consoles too?

@@wesleybcrowen apparently not

@@wesleybcrowen Yeah PC has it I really don't understand why PS5 doesn't.

As far as I'm aware all LCD TVs (but not monitors) accept 50hz and 60hz. However, due to the voltage that the electrical system runs at in North America you can't get 50hz. It would be great if any North Americans here can confirm this! Personally though I don't generally like 50hz but it is a great option to save 3.3 ms rendering time and I actually use it in Cyberpunk.

I almost always take framerate (and consistency) over quality. Just recently I decided to play a game at 1080p, rather than 4K, because there was frame stutter with 4K (despite a 60fps lock), and it went away at 1080p (also 60fps). The stutter I found more annoying than the aliasing. Graphics and Performance is a personal balancing act, there is typically no right or wrong answer.

My 8600 GT 256MB remembers that awful time in its life.

People somehow coped for decades on 30fps.

30 fps is very playable

@@ShadowOfNexxus it is indeed. I don't think I've ever complained about a game locked at 30fps with proper motion blur etc. Games like Uncharted 4 feel great at 30. In a toss up between resolution vs 60fps, so long as that frame rate is 30+, then I choose resolution so it looks sharper and clearer. I very much like the 120htz approach that Insomniac took for Rachet & Clank moving to 40fps, I'd like to see more of that.

They seem to be saying the complete opposite of what most real people's experience has been. Gunplay is awful. No gyro no settings. Horrible AI. Tons of people beat it already.

@@Jacob_88 "most"

The game truly is gorgeous on a nice 4K TV with HDR. Even the performance mode is just lovely

@@ThePokestopPapi I’m rocking a LG CX OLED and I’ve been looking for something next-gen with HDR. I just bought Deathloop but I’ll wait til after I sleep to play it. Hope it looks stunning. 🙏🏼

@@TheProphegy Man you're gonna be in for a treat with that CX! Hope you feast your eyes bro 😊

I don't mind bugs and glitches in a PC release seeing as how you have to accommodate thousands of different PC hardware configurations. Game breaking glitches that won't let you progress in a game sure I'd be upset at that but if it's just initial performance issues or some flashing / missing textures i don't see it as that big of a deal since a simple patch will address that easily. I've played 2 hours of this game so far last night and it was working flawlessly on my end. Playing at 4k maxed out didn't notice anything bad, only glitch I've seen is in the graphics setting menu the vram amount keeps changing between 10769 mb and 10771 mb.

lol

What was the other and when was the last time they won game or the year?

@@TheOLsnaps Psychonauts 2 actually got big chance even higher than Deathloop

Another one ? Where was the first one 😂

Not a Microsoft studios game. Even shows a Zenimax credential on one of the bootup splash screens.

@@MrTurtle15 Psychonauts 2...

because they do have their fair share of liabilities as well.

Prey 2017 was awesome imo - one of the best openers I’ve ever seen for a game and stuff like the glue gun/typhon were brilliant.

but bad ports make the under rated

The NOLF games were great! I'd love to see that franchise resurrected. Unfortunately, a tangled mess of acquisitions and mergers have caused the NOLF games to fall into copyright hell. Nobody knows who has the rights to them.

because of the partial 1960s aesthetic (even though Deathloop is a curious mashup with 1970s colors and Blaxploitation influences as well)

How did they knock it out? Modes are dropping low FPS and this game looks overhyped asf

PC version is horrible...

@@akkibajaj705 Gameplay, not technical

Its just a pacing issue, can be fixed.

Denuvo struck again.

@@pcgameboy8407 Like they did with Dishonored 2... Oh wait.

PC master race tho am I right? lol

@@AJ-xv7oh PC gaming is much bigger now, and pissing off the community isnt smart. Its already getting review bombed on Steam. This will hurt profits, and make them fix it. Lol PS5 has frame pacing issue too in RT mode

I haven't played Deathloop yet but I'm pretty sure returnal is more frustrating. Lol

They do a short review in one of their recent directs, can't remember which

How does a controller make a game feel smooth? 😁

@@brewski535 Adds some extra physicality to gameplay. I suppose the 'smooth' part is the execution, considering some DualSense implementations are average at best, while others are incredibly effective thanks to finely tuned/tested effects.

@@griffgames9538 I might buy a dualsense for my pc since this game supports it... but I just found it funny that they used the word smooth.

That is not going you happen.. it's many factors why.

That 40fps thing that Insomniac tried was an interesting experiment but there's no substitute for a rock solid 60fps.

@@Shaved_Ape Consider that it only works if you have a 120hz display, then we can understand the doubts.

And denuvo stutter perhaps?

And it runs like bull

It also has some performance peculiarities on PC, so that should be interesting to look at.

@@MattBee84 from what I saw in early benchmarks it makes the game really cpu bound in some situations. Hopefully stuttering doesn't seem to be an issue

I would love if John talked about P2's pc problems