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Debate: It’s Time to Treat China Like an Adversary not a Partner 

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China: a partner or adversary? Nathan Law, Alan Mendoza, Shirley Yu and Vince Cable debate how nations should approach China on questions of Taiwan, Hong Kong, Covid-19, economics and national security.
Chaired by Manveen Rana.
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@Intelligence-Squared
@Intelligence-Squared 2 года назад
Do you agree it's time to take a tougher stance with China?
@logicbomb0072
@logicbomb0072 2 года назад
How, you delete any comment that is at all critical of the CCP!!!!!
@boi4367
@boi4367 2 года назад
Definitely
@fls6767
@fls6767 2 года назад
Yes, we need to relocate real industrial production and supply chains back to the west ... yesterday! Otherwise we're all doomed!
@meejinhuang
@meejinhuang 2 года назад
Yes. It's about time.
@vanessali1365
@vanessali1365 2 года назад
Definitely for the motion
@emmanuelflomo7490
@emmanuelflomo7490 2 года назад
Seriously, the very thing lacking in this so called debate is actual intelligence.
@kafkakafka516
@kafkakafka516 2 года назад
lol co-sign. The only knowledgeable person out of the four is the older white guy.
@dexterdextrow7248
@dexterdextrow7248 2 года назад
Too bad they didn't invite a qualified hyper genius like you to debate...
@salkeld571
@salkeld571 2 года назад
Why is Vince Cable commenting on China. He and Nick Clegg started the rot in the UK. Would not trust him with a sweet shop...
@salkeld571
@salkeld571 2 года назад
@Jay Mendoza China does not need Covid to destroy us. We have done that ourselves.
@paulpeartsmith
@paulpeartsmith 2 года назад
I've never heard more ignorant, middle-class, fact-free gut feeling laden tripe as what came from the Henry Jackson guy's mouth. What hubris!
@Theo-eq3ei
@Theo-eq3ei 2 года назад
Debate has to overcome prejudice, one of the hardest things to overcome when dealing with those who take a position of moral superiority.
@dulcepericulum55
@dulcepericulum55 2 года назад
Westerners are very racist the will never get over their inherent prejudices against Asian people.
@aleung5564
@aleung5564 2 года назад
@@dulcepericulum55 Asia treats the US as a friend because they treat China as the enemy. Figure that one out first then we talk some more
@triplejay7510
@triplejay7510 2 года назад
@@dulcepericulum55 a Chinese complaining about racism. What a joke
@goforbroke7214
@goforbroke7214 2 года назад
You cannot reason with commie stooges
@goforbroke7214
@goforbroke7214 2 года назад
@@dulcepericulum55 wait till you hear about racism in places like China where 100% of the population is yellow
@dcklee11
@dcklee11 2 года назад
Shirley seemed pissed when she spoke. Honestly does she believe in her own speech?
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
thats because most chinese are pissed at western efforts to contain china's growth. Imagine if china sanctioned united states's based on its human rights record, 2 percent of population are in jail or have been in jail, most of which are black and brown, indiscriminate drone strikes of muslim civilians with the most recent one in syria and afghanistan where children were killed or anti chinese racial hate coming from the top of the white office under trump. imagine if china unilaterally sent warships to contain american aggressions in iraq afghanistan, syria and libya under the freedom of navigation act. Imagine china sent aircraft carriers 12 miles off california or new york shores. Just imagine if china adopted western liberal democracy and behaved the same way united states behaves internationally
@leoagaw
@leoagaw 2 года назад
@@levelazn Shut up, you Kunflu creator. Stop releasing biological weapons on us.
@dukeofqin1753
@dukeofqin1753 2 года назад
Yes she is full on ccp servant
@kyle6712
@kyle6712 2 года назад
Unfortunately yes
@pumalee4549
@pumalee4549 2 года назад
Yup. Nothing says that she doesn’t
@naturalbornchiller158
@naturalbornchiller158 2 года назад
Shirley Yu is for treating China as a partner. However, her tone and rhetoric damaged her argument. That poor microphone.
@beetoven8193
@beetoven8193 2 года назад
She could have stopped slapping the podium, like it had done something to her.
@leenglishman1605
@leenglishman1605 2 года назад
It was also all about "Stuff" and how China is able to provide said "Stuff", thus making China a good Partner. This is where a lot of disconnect is as "Stuff" accrual is a very Eastern motivator whereas the West is moving past this more more. China has nothing to offer on thought, expansion of experience that the West and elsewhere is looking for due to how the State is run. So offering "Stuff" and more "Stuff" is their only way to Partner - "Stuff" can be Silicon, Roads, infratructure, mobile phones. Notice how this is the only offering in all pro China discussions.
@sol-user
@sol-user 2 года назад
It’s more than tone and rhetoric. Her ideas are fundamentally damaged too
@OliThaTwist
@OliThaTwist Год назад
🤣
@JAGDPANTHER-fd9pe
@JAGDPANTHER-fd9pe Год назад
And poor brain
@elbarca223
@elbarca223 2 года назад
Shirley Yu is incorrect about elite US Univ like Harvard feeling pressure admitting Chinese. Not at all. The two nationalities among all countries are the highest at Harvard: China and India. Harvard is happy to have Chinese students. No pressure at all.
@raymondcyq
@raymondcyq 2 года назад
Do you know these universities are under investigation? Read more
@sol-user
@sol-user 2 года назад
The nationality with the most people by far at Harvard is America
@wg.amster4290
@wg.amster4290 Год назад
It’s starting to go down and that’s a good thing
@TheRealAudioDidact
@TheRealAudioDidact 2 года назад
How can you listen to someone screaming at you?
@serenachen9385
@serenachen9385 2 года назад
It not screaming she is loud n😜
@thomasquentin3124
@thomasquentin3124 2 года назад
You can’t
@texajp9744
@texajp9744 2 года назад
How can someone screaming at you listen? 🧐
@edwin-hd1yd
@edwin-hd1yd 2 года назад
How can you invite someone who only screams at you for a talk?
@ianshing2363
@ianshing2363 2 года назад
You cant. She should’ve never been invited
@ronvara8703
@ronvara8703 2 года назад
Nathan Law was a rioter in Hong Kong. Rioting is terrorism! Jail the rioters for ever; return peace to real ordinary Hong Kong citizens!
@valkamochalin3348
@valkamochalin3348 2 года назад
Before 53%: "treat as adversary", 22%: "treat as partner", 23%:"undecided" After 69%: "treat as adversary", 23%: "treat as partner", 8%: "undecided"
@uksammasku4603
@uksammasku4603 2 года назад
@Jay Mendoza your incompetent government murdered your mom. 99.9999% of Chinese moms are enjoying totally COVID free lives
@bifrostbeberast3246
@bifrostbeberast3246 2 года назад
Yes, China is the enemy. Not because we choose to see it this way but because it chooses to treat everyone else like their adversary.
@willng247
@willng247 2 года назад
@Jay Mendoza yes China unleash bio weapon but so dumb they unleashed it in China first 😂. Try Fort Detrick my misinformed friend.
@ktay1018
@ktay1018 2 года назад
@@bifrostbeberast3246 everyone? like who?
@bifrostbeberast3246
@bifrostbeberast3246 2 года назад
@@ktay1018 Africa: Building "infrastructure" that cannot be paid for, therefore asking for harbours and other assets in return as "payment". Only using own contractors and chinese companies to build this "infrastructure" in their countries, not even creating jobs for the locals. Obviously dept traps designed to increase Chinas influence over these third world countries and get their hands on local resources. Europe: Using wolf warrior diplomacy and threats to keep Taiwan under Chinas thumb and european "partners" in line. There is no real partnership as long as China interfers in other countries internal affairs wherever possible. Australia, US: I don't have to start here - I guess you know how hard China tries to get influence in these countries, you know about the threats of China towards Australia because Australia asked for an independent investigation into the origin of the Wuhan Virus. How hard China tries to bend Australia to its will. Confucius Institutes used for spying on Chinese abroad and their host countries, mixing military with civilians to create the United Front and push Chinas agenda world wide, making every Chinese citizen in every country of the world become a potential spy and target for their host country. China uses the most dystopian and filthy ways of subversion, bribery, coercion and bullying to bend other nations to its will. I wonder how the world did not realize this earlier. I guess because of the high level of corruption in the western world. Our governments are everything but not flawless. But the point is, we are not discussing about the west here, we discuss, why everyone antagonizes China and why everyone SHOULD antagonize it, for what it is and what it tries to achieve.
@tazldn6463
@tazldn6463 2 года назад
Shirley Yu basically said the Western world shouldn't treat China as an adversary because at some point China will be able to dominate the US. That sounds fairly adversarial.
@pikachus5m166
@pikachus5m166 2 года назад
Not really. It's inevitable that when China reaches parity in productivity, its gdp will guarantee it surpasses the American economy three to four fold, simply in terms of population. The only adversarial hostilities are coming from the US, in a vindictive attempt at stalling or wrecking another nations peaceful rise, one it deems a threat to its hegemony.
@tazldn6463
@tazldn6463 2 года назад
@@pikachus5m166 you haven’t said anything to contradict me. China will have a larger economy therefore we shouldn’t consider them an adversary? That seems like poor reasoning. Also, peaceful rise? Tibet might disagree. Taiwan don’t seem to think it will be peaceful. India would likely also disagree. Uighurs might have something to say about that too. Philippine fishermen also might wonder about that. Australia have also had to suffer China’s economic bullying. And we’ve all suffered a global pandemic thanks to the opacity of the Chinese Communist Party.
@pikachus5m166
@pikachus5m166 2 года назад
@@tazldn6463 You that brainwashed ? 1. 75k Tibetans have returned, out of 150k, due to lack of opportunities and discrimination in Indian controlled S.Tibet. 2. DPP, nothing but an American backed stooge government. That staged phonecall was risibly hilarious, as was the recent transgender debacle. 3. India bought American silence over Kashmir, in return they tested the LAC and were totally wrongfooted. 4. Uyghur issue fabricated by the US, having spent several decades formulating unrest and promoting terrorism. Genocide ? Where are the refugees ? 5. SCS issue with the Philippines concocted and represented by American lawyers at the Hague, despite the US not signatory. President Aquino, another stooge. 6. Australia, an economy that benifitted greatly from trade with China, had to tow the American line, too poodlelised a vassal state to do otherwise. 7. If ever the motive, means and capabilities for releasing a pathogen designed to wreck a nations economy, the US stands tall, from smallpox blankets to the recent uranium depleted munitions, Covid19, made in the USA.
@tazldn6463
@tazldn6463 2 года назад
@@pikachus5m166 oh I get it. You’re one of those… All good. Enjoy your ideology or get your paycheque, whichever it is. Have a nice day.
@pikachus5m166
@pikachus5m166 2 года назад
@@tazldn6463 One of those ? Wumao ? 50cent ? Commie simp ? ... not in the slightest, just someone who can see through the propaganda of manufacturing consent for war, and if you're so convinced about free speech, are you protesting for the rights of Assange, Hale, Snowden etc or just a gullible shill ?
@coffeebuzz69
@coffeebuzz69 2 года назад
How does Shirley Yu's arguments support partnership? Her examples of progress by competition highlight the value of adversarial relationships. Tribalism and fear are powerful motivators.
@bobcharles7716
@bobcharles7716 2 года назад
Her argument is basically you have to partner with China because you really don't have a choice. It is a very powerful argument if it is true. And I think it is true.
@nangergong
@nangergong 2 года назад
@@bobcharles7716 UK is a tiny thing that nobody cares. It has no qualification to be a partner or adversary of China. China simply ignore this country in its diplomatic consideration
@bifrostbeberast3246
@bifrostbeberast3246 2 года назад
It's not true, but people like you are the downfall of the west with this negative defeatist personality.
@kmtgoddess7793
@kmtgoddess7793 2 года назад
@@bobcharles7716 white nationalism and fear is all the west ever does what are u saying
@bobcharles7716
@bobcharles7716 2 года назад
@@kmtgoddess7793 I trying to point out to people China may be different and you may not like them, and you may be offended by them. But you need them. If you need them better to partner up with them!
@leeseekwan
@leeseekwan 2 года назад
Shirley yu's line of argument would have find resonance with the audience if the latter are nationalistic Chinese. A total disservice to her debating team.
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
i agree with her. She makes her point with statistics rather than anecdotal labels
@shawndaly4415
@shawndaly4415 2 года назад
​@@levelazn With what stats; the percentage of Africa she owns lol or the BS bubble economy numbers??? Here states made the other sides point almost as well as here wearing that 20% of African wealth in pearls on here person, totally the kinda person you can partner with the massive pearl wearing commie hypocrite, right sure and she got a bridge to sell ya too which will only collapse on a year on an old folks home like that one in Italy china built. While lot of Tofu construction in her argument if you have a clue.
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
@@shawndaly4415 bs bubble economy ? Is it hard to imagine that a country with almost 5x the population to have a bigger economy ? Have you visited China and seen what current Chinese cities look like ?
@shawndaly4415
@shawndaly4415 2 года назад
@@levelazn I have back when you could. They are building empty apartment blocs in the desert that will never be occupied, everything they build of TOFU and comes apart in the rain and most people there are still living in the thirds world. Also now they are totally breaking down as a society under covid totally unable to control it without literately putting every one in prison, see how long that works for them. China just has 5 times as many old illiterate small farmers to retire or get out of ultra poverty doesn't equate to a bigger economy then a country with five times the number of people under 30 and the youngest population in the developed world ready to work in and drive an economy instead of be a burden on it like the vast majority of the Chinese aged population and little emperors who will never get married and breed. China is a common women with a painted face and a vulgar excess of pearls bragging about their wealth while really just giving away how poor and desperate they are to not be. ROLF
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
@@shawndaly4415 empty apartments in the desert? lol have you been to china? those empty apartments are now all filled up. China has 1.5 billion people and have a housing shortage. the chinese are building homes for the next 20 years!!!!
@marilensidri4271
@marilensidri4271 2 года назад
Question to Mr. Cabe, side of partnership with China. “....Don’t mess with us. (China)”. Why is China messing with Philippine and Taiwanese sovereignty, not to mention bullying in the South China Sea and other international waters?
@yoohama4805
@yoohama4805 2 года назад
Taiwan is like Crimea of Russia in China
@lli73cn
@lli73cn 2 года назад
Do you actually know that the official name of the government of Taiwan is called Republic of China? The fact that the mainland China (now under the leadership of the CCP) grows fast and the province Taiwan (now under the leadership of the DPP) becomes comparatively "weaker" doesn't make the separatism on the Taiwan side legitimate. It's simply some politicians who want to make profits by using Taiwanese sovereignty as a good excuse and thus gain the power. Both "Chinas" claim the reunification of CHINA and it is formally written down in their constitutions. Technically speaking the Chinese civil war hasn't come to an end.
@jonkoh6149
@jonkoh6149 2 года назад
@@yoohama4805 Taiwan is to China what Sudetenland is to Nazi Germany
@jonkoh6149
@jonkoh6149 2 года назад
@@lli73cn the point is the Republic of China is not the People’s Republic of China. If PRC attacks ROC others countries can help similar to how when the Korean War started the world helped the South fight off the North
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Год назад
Taiwan is not a sovereign country, but a breakaway province from China (like Donestsk). And the Philippines are now a world joke for re-electing a corrupt relic from the 1980s
@nachomas3419
@nachomas3419 2 года назад
Shirley Yu scared the hell out of me!
@jayjayn007
@jayjayn007 2 года назад
Sid Vicious holds nothing on her!! Hehe!!
@AaronHahnStudios
@AaronHahnStudios 2 года назад
Nothing by comparison as to how scared you should be of America and what it's doing.
@temite80
@temite80 2 года назад
Well she speaks as though she's prepping for armed combat against the entire audience, no wonder she comes across that way...
@temite80
@temite80 2 года назад
Yeah I think she actually proves the point of the discussion..
@Yosy47
@Yosy47 2 года назад
I was undecided at the beginning.....then heard Shirley Yu....jesus christ!!! For the motion!!!!
@milaong9618
@milaong9618 2 года назад
Probably Shirley Yu would prefer to be on the adversary side, that is why she has to shout to convince herself and everybody of her partner stance. Lol
@numuves
@numuves 2 года назад
That was a set-up. She was just chosen to make her side look weak and unconvincing.
@tuyadaksis4606
@tuyadaksis4606 2 года назад
@@numuves her “side” is naturally weak and unconvincing. No one needs to make it look that
@oak2065
@oak2065 2 года назад
I will certainly avoid Shirley Yu's lecture if she is a teacher in my school!
@dihorse7334
@dihorse7334 2 года назад
Shirley should not be a teacher in the beginning
@tuyadaksis4606
@tuyadaksis4606 2 года назад
It’s a scandal the US hasn’t cancelled her visa yet and deported her back to China
@pumalee4549
@pumalee4549 2 года назад
I second that
@OliThaTwist
@OliThaTwist Год назад
Strongly agree. She is aggressive, unbalanced, preachy, and boring.
@wallacekatini100
@wallacekatini100 Год назад
I would avoid the university she is lecturing in
@GJK8DB9
@GJK8DB9 2 года назад
As others have pointed out, the censoring that takes place around the 49th minute is disheartening and that alone shows us why this proposition is a no brainer: adversary.
@dukeofqin1753
@dukeofqin1753 2 года назад
Freedom of speech with China characteristics
@roflam7847
@roflam7847 2 года назад
Good catch
@johnfeng8902
@johnfeng8902 2 года назад
I think it was just a technical glitch but I understand where you’re coming from. This debate could never happen in China that’s for sure
@dalvinnkoo8070
@dalvinnkoo8070 Год назад
Disheartening but expected
@Yamamotoseto
@Yamamotoseto 2 года назад
Adversary
@Xind0898
@Xind0898 2 года назад
Love that adversarial spirit from a Japanese, we DO have unsettled business to settle
@yingzhang7637
@yingzhang7637 2 года назад
Ja Ja, to a Japanese, China is the adversary! But Japan is the enemy of a lot Asian countries including China plus Russia. Japan is not popular at all in Asia, right?! Japan does not have a friend in Asia right. Japan has to pretend somehow it had joined the West. Ask around Asians, who is the adversary! Just remembered that Japan had killed 300,000 Chinese just in one city, called Nanjing. Not mention, in Melbourne war museum, a Japanese solider cut the Australia solider head.in the same manner as to cut the Chinese head off!.. A Japanese talked about Chinese is an Adversary...what a joke!
@magnetron366
@magnetron366 2 года назад
Technology has One language its called Science and it is an International language .
@andyc3012
@andyc3012 2 года назад
are you sure? I don't write Javascript in Chinese.
@plaguedoc7779
@plaguedoc7779 2 года назад
A bit random but what ever floats your boat
@District_519
@District_519 Год назад
What?
@rebelwave100
@rebelwave100 2 года назад
46:00 Prevote results😁
@truthaffiliatedmedia2975
@truthaffiliatedmedia2975 Год назад
😆
@truthaffiliatedmedia2975
@truthaffiliatedmedia2975 Год назад
Don’t forget the post argument results 😃😃😃
@ironbravehearts
@ironbravehearts Год назад
👍
@honliong2160
@honliong2160 2 месяца назад
Lol
@y.p.6456
@y.p.6456 2 года назад
There was no sound starting at 49:25 and lasted for 20 seconds. Pls fix it.
@mattjamesward
@mattjamesward Год назад
That was all part of the censorship plan
@GroundZero_US
@GroundZero_US 10 месяцев назад
He probably said "no no" words. I'm assuming he spoke about Taiwan or what the Chinese government is doing to the Muslims in a visceral manner. It's sad that they would self-censor. This pretty much sums up the debate.
@memeticist
@memeticist 2 года назад
Um, it is way past that time.
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
we build chiantowns everywhere, its game over for you son
@memeticist
@memeticist 2 года назад
@@levelazn Go collect your 50 cents.
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
@@memeticist where do I collect it ?
@memeticist
@memeticist 2 года назад
@@levelazn Your CCP overlords.
@aleung5564
@aleung5564 2 года назад
@@levelazn the majority of Chinese people who live in West hate the CCP. It is only a matter of time before we get rid of the fringe collaborators like an exterminator getting rid of a termite infestation
@ricellisfrost620
@ricellisfrost620 2 года назад
Shirley Yu is terrifying - she's all over the place, sometimes arguing against herself! For Shirley Yu, economics is the measure of all things, and in such absolute terms, no middle ground. She would be a good fit on Trump's cabinet.
@leoagaw
@leoagaw 2 года назад
Trump doesnt want a socialist pro beijing Shirley. You can take her to Africa.
@elbarca223
@elbarca223 2 года назад
Shirley Yu is incorrect about elite US Univ like Harvard feeling pressure admitting Chinese. Not at all. The two nationalities among all countries are the highest at Harvard: China and India. Harvard is happy to have Chinese students. No pressure at all.
@Intelligence-Squared
@Intelligence-Squared 2 года назад
Don't forget to hit the like button if you enjoy this video and want to see more debates!
@boi4367
@boi4367 2 года назад
Vince Cable. I'm just disappointed
@vanessali1365
@vanessali1365 2 года назад
Very disappointed indeed, perhaps, he is looking for work/invitation from the CCP?
@robertroe9563
@robertroe9563 2 года назад
Why would we not treat a country that has clearly been positioning itself as an adversary as just that? They are being adversarial and increasingly so, it’s a question that answers itself.
@rabbitsforyang8273
@rabbitsforyang8273 2 года назад
if someone incites a riot in your backyard and then accuse you of genocide, I'm sure you'll be real friendly eh, what are partners for after all
@robertroe9563
@robertroe9563 2 года назад
@Pat M the US has so many bases and such a large military budget because that’s what we have agreed to do for allied nations after WW2 in exchange for those allied nations to topple the Soviet Union. The US is the world police so to speak because that’s what the allied nations asked the US to do so that there could be global trade. It wasn’t until the Trump administration that we finally started to renegotiate that agreement and are continuing to do so under the Biden administration which is causing a lot of tensions because if the US isn’t doing it that means everyone has to pay for their own security (and most countries can’t afford it).
@robertroe9563
@robertroe9563 2 года назад
@@rabbitsforyang8273 what are you even talking about?
@isoboy2125
@isoboy2125 2 года назад
@@robertroe9563 Probably something about HK separatists meeting up with US politicians. That's much like US Capitol Hill riots traveling to meet Beijing politicians. Not to mention the HK separatists were given assurance that they have US backing. Definitely not something you do to your trade partner.
@robertroe9563
@robertroe9563 2 года назад
@@isoboy2125 if china hadn’t been positioning itself as an enemy long before anything going on with HK then there may be substance but the reality is china has been positioning itself as an adversary to western civilization for a long time.
@MP15aug
@MP15aug 2 года назад
This should have been over in the opening speech
@emilechen931
@emilechen931 2 года назад
Please explain more?
@3svj834
@3svj834 2 года назад
This should have been over in the opening line
@AntonioYunYangWuChen
@AntonioYunYangWuChen Год назад
Shirley and Cable should never have been invited to give an opening speech…
@phiIIipchan6919
@phiIIipchan6919 Месяц назад
Opening second
@ianjardiolin2452
@ianjardiolin2452 2 года назад
49:20 What happened to the audio? It's a bad look for you to censor your own guests when they're off script. You're supposed to be a free thought platform, but apparently, you're not. I'm unsubscribing.
@markjackson7467
@markjackson7467 2 года назад
He said the quiet bit out loud - he really only wants war
@tigerlee7189
@tigerlee7189 2 года назад
Shirley Yu and Victor Gao have one thing in common: Yelling as loud as possible, being aggressive as much as possible on every aspects that make China looks bad. Is that necessary to express your ideas like that, Yu and Gao? I don't think so. It is NOT the educated and civilised expression on the world debate. Be educated and civilised!
@stevenhuang4193
@stevenhuang4193 2 года назад
LOL, when you are around a bunch starving, desperate mad dogs, what do you do? on you knee and try to satisfy them. they will eat you live. illusional is not the choice
@GoGoPooerRangers
@GoGoPooerRangers 2 года назад
Shirley Yu has learned from the woof warrior "diplomacy" and really paints why Nathan is right.
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
wolf warrior diplomacy ? lol, you prefer black hawk down diploamcy? or long survivor diplomacy? how about rambo diplomacy?
@johnc1873
@johnc1873 2 года назад
Lol Shirley owned Nathan. He’s a cia asset that is hiding in amerixa after trying to destroy Hong Kong .
@shawndaly4415
@shawndaly4415 2 года назад
@@levelazn US is all about the "tears of the sun" diplomacy! But congrats you beat the US to the bottom for the worst silly action movies, "shooting you fully right in the meat place"
@shawndaly4415
@shawndaly4415 2 года назад
@@johnc1873 You mean Formally vibrant now declining police state Hong Kong that people are fleeing in droves along with Nathan.
@shawndaly4415
@shawndaly4415 2 года назад
@@johnc1873 Yeah she really showed him how much of Africa she owns with here wearing it all in pearls around here neck. This totally doesn't look like massive mainland corruption with the commie wearing pearls massive enough to choke a giant clam!!!
@jjohanesson9139
@jjohanesson9139 2 года назад
Can't believe Shirley Yu as been given a platform! Have you heard what she says in Chinese?
@vanessali1365
@vanessali1365 2 года назад
Democracy allows both sides of the story. We are not living in CCP.
@georgigeorgiev510
@georgigeorgiev510 2 года назад
can't believe what a wacko, comment. This ideology of scilincing, of ''justice'' over freedom are the reason China can not be treated as a parthner.
@logicbomb0072
@logicbomb0072 2 года назад
Are you kidding look at the way this comment section is curated to support the CCP!!! Giving here a platform they are giving her a total pass to scream here CCP propaganda bull while wearing that 20 % Africa she claims china own in Pearl's around her neck!!!!
@logicbomb0072
@logicbomb0072 2 года назад
Why us this critical comment of the ccp censored on free and open youtube????
@Strawberryknight
@Strawberryknight 2 года назад
@@vanessali1365 Right. Try that in Hong Kong. Simply wearing a t-shirt with Hongkong logo can put you in jail. Forwarding a tweet can put you in jail. Having a tiny sticker inside your wallet which says HK Add Oil can put you in jail. Holding five fingers plus one can put you in jail. Singing a song of Hong Kong can put you in jail. Reporting human rights issues in Hong Kong can put you in Jail. TRY THESE!
@gumo17641
@gumo17641 2 месяца назад
plese can someone explain to me why is part od the debate muted?
@pepsee0
@pepsee0 2 года назад
The 'lock-up' of tennis player Peng Shuai is a reminder that China is a fragile superpower, citizen journalist Zhang Zhan is still in a Chinese prison for reporting from Wuhan during the height of the city's coronavirus outbreak in 2020? Her family says she is on a hunger strike, and she is near death. All calls for her release have gone unheeded. Much of the world has condemned China’s detention of Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
@lisa.e5776
@lisa.e5776 2 года назад
Show your evidences before you speak. Or else don't speak. Accuse without any proven facts are bullshits and slanderous.
@revolution475
@revolution475 2 года назад
China's position on freedom of speech and the press is quite clear. However, what is quite revealing is that a democracy which pretends to value free speech and the a free media, the US, has launched a campaign against Julia Assange, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden and many others for raising their voices and exposing human rights violations committed by their government at home and abroad. It is clear to anyone that the US and EU should refrain from pointing a finger at China, when they themselves have for many years committed human rights violations to a vast degree. And to add salt to injury, the US decided to sanction the senior officials of International Criminal Court, for launching an investigation into war crimes committed by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. Clearly something is broken in the US democracy, it is currently recognized as an anocracy.
@LokeKS
@LokeKS 2 года назад
Haha she was never locked up so fking uninformed
@watchman835
@watchman835 2 года назад
Your comment is a reminder of western fake news, false accusation and brainwash of misinformed mass.
@patrickxiao7460
@patrickxiao7460 2 года назад
Do you think this Nathen Law ever visited Xinjiang?
@annan77728
@annan77728 2 месяца назад
He do not need to. Information on human right abuse there is public
@deanmthomson
@deanmthomson 14 дней назад
Nope, he's an armchair rhetorician. No actual real life experiences, credentials or anything valuable to contribute. Best ignore him!
@andrewlambert7246
@andrewlambert7246 2 года назад
Yes, thank you!
@globalanti-hegemonicallian4140
@globalanti-hegemonicallian4140 2 года назад
Same sentiments here
@chaseyu3108
@chaseyu3108 Год назад
Big thanks to the audience!
@jaekpeople9171
@jaekpeople9171 Год назад
👍👍👍👍
@tseringphuntsok756
@tseringphuntsok756 2 года назад
Full of CCP's 50 cent army in comment section.
@myhhlim
@myhhlim 2 года назад
Why do you call commentator fifty centa. Are you saying only you can talk and other cant. Many of us are pro China . We are not communist but we see hypocrite, racially biased intention here. China has change and for those who have been there , we see the change. Basically, China build and Western Allies invade, lies and sanction. I am glad Chinese diaspora have now taken the brave action of speaking out. Listen and not call people who dont agree with you fifty cents.
@noeswantra2295
@noeswantra2295 2 года назад
@@myhhlim why so offended by a comment from a non relevant person?
@myhhlim
@myhhlim 2 года назад
@@noeswantra2295 how do you like it if I keep on slandering you without any evidence. Did you forgot the racial abuse in America and Australia. Many of us have children staying overseas. Dont think only one side can slander people and get away with it
@dogFf-cm6cy
@dogFf-cm6cy 2 года назад
Let us debate the relationship between China and Harvard’s Kennedy School next time 🐸
@Leo-nn5vx
@Leo-nn5vx 2 года назад
Yeah let's chase and scare all the academics away, moronic take.
@GoGoPooerRangers
@GoGoPooerRangers 2 года назад
Lol she kept bringing that up too many times.
@thomasquentin3124
@thomasquentin3124 2 года назад
Hopefully in the presence of the FBI!
@metaaview7
@metaaview7 2 года назад
Harvard Kennedy vs Laundered yuan
@rebelwave100
@rebelwave100 2 года назад
Honestly, can the guy with the broom be more proactive at poking Vince Cable awake?
@liechinmannorman5140
@liechinmannorman5140 2 года назад
Nathan Law is just not in the same league as the other panelists in knowledge, experience, and mastery of the English language.
@sozilla
@sozilla Год назад
I have nothing but respect for a person brave enough to lead protests against that horrendous regime
@chaseyu3108
@chaseyu3108 Год назад
His mastery of the English language is probably better than yours
@heinrichody7166
@heinrichody7166 2 года назад
At 49:15 the sound has problems. Can it be fixed?
@GroundZero_US
@GroundZero_US 10 месяцев назад
He probably said "no no" words. I'm assuming he spoke about Taiwan or what the Chinese government is doing to the Muslims in a visceral manner. It's sad that they would self-censor. This pretty much sums up the debate.
@amossutandi
@amossutandi 2 года назад
according to which definition is china committing genocide? and what is the evidence supporting those criteria?
@janklaas6885
@janklaas6885 2 года назад
🇺🇳58:59 We democraties should NOT negotiate with terorists, but protect them people in risky places so they can't be kidnapped and NOT do trade with (wannabe) dictatorschips and country's that not respect human rights.
@sw9276
@sw9276 2 года назад
Taliban: you are absolutely correct!
@bifrostbeberast3246
@bifrostbeberast3246 2 года назад
Sounds like you live in the wrong country. Go back to China then.
@thecomment9489
@thecomment9489 2 года назад
We democraties should NOT negotiate with terorists [but only promote terrorists like ETIM]
@bifrostbeberast3246
@bifrostbeberast3246 2 года назад
@Router X Yeah, Han are super native in Canada as well, right? Stop talking out of your arse. If you don't like living in a democracy, go to what you consider home.
@bifrostbeberast3246
@bifrostbeberast3246 2 года назад
@Router X HAhahaha yeah, Chinese even fail to fight for their rights in their own home country China. You are a joke.
@ixiki150
@ixiki150 2 года назад
I’m not sure why anyone wants to listen to what Vince Cable has to say. He sold our everything he believed in in 2010, then had the audacity to say he was proud of his time in government. Another failed politician that can seek employment with the EU I guess.
@papabear90
@papabear90 2 года назад
You don't like what you hear so you try to smear him. Children's games.
@dulcepericulum55
@dulcepericulum55 2 года назад
OK Tory boy...
@jenniferyap8930
@jenniferyap8930 2 года назад
Act of genocide? Where are the bodies?
@lyndonlee4550
@lyndonlee4550 2 года назад
I was so touched by Shirley Yu's arguments. Such a patriotic and intelligent person should go back China to contribute to improve the country's soft power rather than teach in western universities that don't understand the China in her heart!!
@morbitzts1098
@morbitzts1098 2 года назад
Isn't it the west that has committed genocide throughout history? be it against jews, native american indians, aboriginals, even slaughtering byzantine christians. of course if called one one has a long row. and remember the time of the final judgment
@bifrostbeberast3246
@bifrostbeberast3246 2 года назад
"The west"... You generalize countles different nations as one, like the chinese ignorant xenophobe you are.
@lewisleung7062
@lewisleung7062 2 года назад
Sounds like a great idea! She should go back, shouldn’t she? Wait! No, she can’t! Cuz she has to keep a watchful eye on the west! Duh! 😄
@morbitzts1098
@morbitzts1098 2 года назад
@@MathGPT when it comes to threats, many countries will agree that the west is a threat, especially when they interfere and dictate the politics of other countries.. if China is a threat, do you think 150 countries will sign a BRI project cooperation agreement ?
@morbitzts1098
@morbitzts1098 2 года назад
@@MathGPT I can laugh out loud at your answer. The U.S. is not a threat, tell them in the Middle East, in Africa, in South America, in Asia. certainly not a threat because you are his ally who monopolizes the world, not letting developing countries become rich. I think this is not a secret in many countries
@pepsee0
@pepsee0 2 года назад
As an adversary!
@obsidianstatue8841
@obsidianstatue8841 2 года назад
👍💪
@benjaminchew37
@benjaminchew37 Год назад
Enemy
@tigerfreedomx7143
@tigerfreedomx7143 2 года назад
I am Chinese. In china nowadays, you publicly critisize CCP, no problem, if your influnence is small. like your words, your thoughts only reach your family, your colleagues, your friends, it is fine, because no way any government can monitor people so deeply. But if you have much bigger influnence, like 100 k people, you always talk about ideas conflicting with CCP, it will be not tolerated.
@cryptorenegade1406
@cryptorenegade1406 2 года назад
Agreed it's the same reason January 6 at Capitol Hill wasn't TOLERATED, over 400 protesters jailed,punished and one unarmed woman shot to death point blank by Washington police, Nathan is so lucky he can throw Petro bombs at police and still be standing here today perpetrating LIES,if he'd done the same in US,UK, FRANCE he would have been shot dead , he's such a MHORON(excuse the H)
@questworldmatrix
@questworldmatrix 2 года назад
Define conflicting ideas.
@cryptorenegade1406
@cryptorenegade1406 2 года назад
@@questworldmatrix I think he means stirring up trouble in the masses which could lead to civil violence and even terrorism so that innocent people will also be hurt, in America we DO NOT TOLERATE that either, Jan 6 at Capitol Hill is an example America doesn't tolerate
@joylm9108
@joylm9108 2 года назад
As it should be. Stable society precedes so called democracy or dissenting views
@wookangcheon5002
@wookangcheon5002 2 года назад
Am afraid that you must be either misinformed or brainwashed from your upbringing. Whoever you are, wake up to the call of humanity. Just sad to see someone like you.
@Brangutang
@Brangutang 2 года назад
would be great if the sound didn't keep cutting out.
@muizrahim861
@muizrahim861 2 года назад
Somebody is going to lose their social credit score!
@thecomment9489
@thecomment9489 2 года назад
Are you so ashamed of using your real White pic instead of using this pic and profile name?
@muizrahim861
@muizrahim861 2 года назад
@@thecomment9489 No. This is my real face. And even that, what are you going to do about it?
@taboobunny9186
@taboobunny9186 2 года назад
Ignorance at its best
@OliThaTwist
@OliThaTwist Год назад
"US daallars, ecaanamy, technaaalagy".....listening to Shirley the Poo is like listening to nails down a blackboard on loudspeaker.
@guanda3312
@guanda3312 Год назад
Shirley Jinping
@photonicboy
@photonicboy 2 года назад
The reason why this motion is even on the table for debate is because China has changed, behaving more like an adversary than a partner to put it mildly.
@euunul
@euunul 2 года назад
Are you sure? Because I saw US changing its stance towards China in the last decade, China holding it positions more or less unchanged.
@aleung5564
@aleung5564 2 года назад
@@euunul china’s position doesn’t change because it is a fascist country
@HanSithuhtet
@HanSithuhtet 2 года назад
China has changed but not in a bad way. US is just scare that their seat is not stable anymore and is jealous of their success.
@tweedy4sg
@tweedy4sg Год назад
To say China has changed it's behaviour to an adversary than a partner is a strawman argument put by the Murica to instill fear into it's people (and those of its poodles). No hard irrefutable evidence is ever provided besides misrepresentation, disinformation & outright propaganda.
@andyc3012
@andyc3012 2 года назад
If Jan 6 was bad, Hong Kong protest was so much worst -.-
@lesremparts660
@lesremparts660 2 года назад
I can’t believe this requires discussion 🤣 and what happens to the sound at around 49.23?
@guanda3312
@guanda3312 Год назад
Great firewall in operation
@AlCapone71
@AlCapone71 2 года назад
I like how Shirley refers China as a developing country lol
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
cuz it is?
@leoagaw
@leoagaw 2 года назад
@@levelazn Second largest economy in the world is a developing country? Give me a break. Go visit shanghai and see if it is a developing country.
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
@@leoagaw Shanghai is a developed city. But Xinjiang isn’t :)
@leoagaw
@leoagaw 2 года назад
@@levelazn Well, we have a lot of villages with no running water in Alaska. Why is US still considered "developed"?Double standard.
@levelazn
@levelazn 2 года назад
@@leoagaw us is developed because US dollar is the global reserve currency
@cindyye6764
@cindyye6764 2 года назад
Vince Cable is such a disappointment.
@kafkakafka516
@kafkakafka516 2 года назад
disappointment as in only objective and intelligent mind at the event?
@prathapreddy1000
@prathapreddy1000 2 года назад
@49.15 the speech is mute why?
@SSSuwandi
@SSSuwandi 3 месяца назад
Hacked
@SD-tn9ce
@SD-tn9ce 2 года назад
Keep on debating CPC human rights for next decade. While CPC executing next 5 and 10 year plans.
@user-bm8of7uo9v
@user-bm8of7uo9v 2 года назад
Time will tell everything
@roflam7847
@roflam7847 2 года назад
In time ccp is dead
@user-bm8of7uo9v
@user-bm8of7uo9v 2 года назад
@@roflam7847, you are exhausted
@johnphelan8999
@johnphelan8999 2 года назад
Vince Cable, when asked specific questions on China's behaviour, was keen to tell the audience of the lovely chats he'd had with China but never once gave any concrete examples of anything he'd actually achieved in those talks.
@dulcepericulum55
@dulcepericulum55 2 года назад
Maybe the talks were confidential.. Politicians don't usually advertise what has been communicated agreed or disagreed between states.
@johnphelan8999
@johnphelan8999 2 года назад
@@dulcepericulum55 When something has been achieved through talks, politicians are generally very swift to communicate them. I'd point out that it's also a good 6 or 7 years (maybe longer) since Cable played any role in such talks.
@conormurphy4328
@conormurphy4328 2 года назад
@@dulcepericulum55 yea why would people need to know what’s happening in regards to their country. Don’t give the masses information or they might start asking questions.
@Andy-P
@Andy-P 2 года назад
In the UKVince made fraud easier by making it so easy register a company. Vince is a true CCP lover. Carn't believe he is a 'Sir' or was leader of the UK liberal party. He faces a lot of criticism for his pro CCP views. Vince says how grateful we should be to China. The UK has got a Electrical Vehicle industry because China... I think not. I was in a talk with him and he never heard of CCP's 14 grievances against Australia. He believes Taiwan belongs to China. He sounds more like Kishore every day. I wonder what he thinks of the Lithuania spate. Probably take the CCP side. EU to kowtow to China.
@Snipsnop260
@Snipsnop260 2 года назад
I just saw this debate ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nEchkn3unl8.html and Vince Cable has mentioned some of the outcomes of these talks. Remember if you haven't seen the evidence, it's best to scour the internet to see if your question has already been answered
@christopherstephens1589
@christopherstephens1589 2 года назад
The video goes mute 48-50 minutes in ?
@billmartin9733
@billmartin9733 2 года назад
The pre-debate counts should not be revealed during the debate. They could bias people's decisions.
@rescueafterhalfanddoubledo5175
@rescueafterhalfanddoubledo5175 2 года назад
Yeah that’s pretty much primming
@texajp9744
@texajp9744 2 года назад
It wouldn’t have mattered. The adversary side would have still won anyway
@satriojumeneng3510
@satriojumeneng3510 Год назад
We are all bias
@listservd
@listservd Год назад
What bias?
@fred98321
@fred98321 2 года назад
The 'Yeas' won easily.
@g3064
@g3064 2 года назад
This wasn't a debate. This was a slaughter
@dannytadashi4235
@dannytadashi4235 2 года назад
SLAUGHTER WHO? Tell me
@roflam7847
@roflam7847 2 года назад
@@dannytadashi4235 slaughter communist
@bobcharles2056
@bobcharles2056 2 года назад
@@dannytadashi4235 the freedom side slaughtered the commee side. The results at 1:26;44 say it all
@skyforceone
@skyforceone Год назад
It was a Massacre
@tomtube1012.
@tomtube1012. Год назад
Harsh but true
@smoothcortex
@smoothcortex 2 года назад
Ooooooo Very exciting speakers!
@rickp354
@rickp354 2 года назад
I have sold all my stocks that are connected with China CCP ! It's high time we as a country do the same...I will not dismiss their attack on human rights!
@Mar-ec7et
@Mar-ec7et 2 года назад
You are totally fine with America human rights in Afghanistan ? Bird of the same feathers...
@taboobunny9186
@taboobunny9186 2 года назад
It all boils down to how the West couldn't handle a rising Eastern power. That's the truth.
@zenlei8258
@zenlei8258 2 года назад
Wall Street still have more than $1.9 trillion invested in China. Wall Street will kiss China leaders ass to get back their investment.
@temite80
@temite80 2 года назад
The moderator was too smiley and cringe-jokey. I would suggest she not do that when there's a serious discussion being had as it undermines the whole purpose.
@Rokiriko
@Rokiriko 2 года назад
The host cannot be anymore charming and professional.
@HansJrgenFurfjord
@HansJrgenFurfjord 2 года назад
And obsessed with helping the anti-China side.
@rebelwave100
@rebelwave100 2 года назад
she still won't go out with him
@ellenmax2826
@ellenmax2826 9 месяцев назад
Each home has beautiful art, fashionable furnitures … each home also has toilets and garbage … We don’t go to other’s home only to see the toilets or smell garbage. A nation of class, it’s representatives also shall display grace that to go to other people’s home to see more of what they do the best the beautiful thus learn from each other. This makes a good and respectable neighbor.
@adamfaulkner9975
@adamfaulkner9975 2 года назад
Why is the sound removed @ 49:24 for a few seconds. If we can not hear what all speakers have to say then what’s the point!!! Stop censoring your content!
@GroundZero_US
@GroundZero_US 10 месяцев назад
He probably said "no no" words. I'm assuming he spoke about Taiwan or what the Chinese government is doing to the Muslims in a visceral manner. It's sad that they would self-censor. This pretty much sums up the debate.
@yijiancai1651
@yijiancai1651 2 года назад
I didn't watch the video 'cause I know it's a waste of time. As a Chinese here's my point: I don't know whether my country will take the "dominating" role as the current US, or create a multipolar world as our leader stated. One thing I'm 100% sure is that China will never BE dominated by the west again like in the 19th century. And I think this is what some western people are really afraid of and why they are having these debates. Your country (and the US) was strengthend through war, colonism, looting and stealing. Even in the 21st century, you are not able to get rid of the mindset of having superiority over Asian and African people. This indeed is a question and should be debated by your people. China on the other hand, as I said, will take notes of the past, learn from it and progress like no other. As for how much and what we'll learn and use, I do not know. Hegemony and colonism are western things that makes the world suffer and no Chinese will like it. So I hope they will not go down that path but again, I believe they have figured out better ways to adopt the new age. So for this topic, is probably important to you, but not the subject itself. BTW, no one would reject real tangible cooperations. So opportunities are there, and China has plenty now. Personal Opinions.
@angatheart
@angatheart 2 года назад
Totally agree. That such debates should even exist can only mean that the Cold War mindset is still alive and kicking. And many are still living in their colonial days. Seriously why should one make enemies instead of friends. Where has that refrain “Make love not war” gone?
@johnkrieg9368
@johnkrieg9368 2 года назад
So-called debates like this are fueled by the Western fear of losing their economic, military and their fallacious "moral" superiority over others,
@angatheart
@angatheart 2 года назад
Can’t agree with you more.
@johnkrieg9368
@johnkrieg9368 2 года назад
@@angatheart with that kind of mindset from the Western establishment, it's no wonder they look at others as an adversary..there is no room for compromise and analysing the other side's point of view is treason to them..
@angatheart
@angatheart 2 года назад
U just described hypocrisy and double standard.
@AmitRay47
@AmitRay47 2 года назад
I thought the whole panel was debating in favour of the motion. Well done!
@truthseeker4299
@truthseeker4299 Год назад
As they should
@siamcharms7539
@siamcharms7539 Год назад
Might as well given how bad the opposing arguments were
@colossusgolossus
@colossusgolossus Год назад
Someone’s salty
@oliverjamito9902
@oliverjamito9902 2 года назад
It's amazing we sometimes don't recognize the true meaning of utterance beloved! Is like becoming a child in front of God according to 1st. Love God 2nd Love thy neighbors as thyself. Beloved the LAUGHTERS of our innocents youngs sons and daughters upon all families of the world 1 FEETS indeed. Remember can't separate 1st. Love God 2nd. Love thy neighbors as thyself! Love one another beloved! Beloved is like making more beautiful brothers and sisters like you beloved! Beloved why uttered words at all beloved? There's an Aim? Now how to identify the Aim? Beloved our lives was DESIRED indeed! Remember is how to keep the sincere conversations with God beloved indeed!
@sozilla
@sozilla Год назад
Why does the audio cut when he is speaking specifically about the CCP. There is a trend on RU-vid for any criticism of the CCP to be censored, perhaps intelligence squared would like to comment on what happened there? Perhaps you were told that in order for the video to be monetised criticism of the CCP needed to be censored?
@guodah77
@guodah77 2 года назад
China without CCP can be a partner. With CCP, the answer is no. CCP has done a fantastic job in mixing these two things: China and CCP. The criticism is against CCP. But CCP converts it to a criticism against China.
@ktay1018
@ktay1018 2 года назад
What are you talking about? The CCP is the Chinese people... "CCP has done a fantastic job in mixing these two things: China and CCP." Imagine accusing China of not knowing itself, yeah says you, an outsider, lol.
@guodah77
@guodah77 2 года назад
@@ktay1018 I was born and raised in China. All four of grandparents and both parents were/are CCP members. I heard gun shots all night June 3, 1989. I am not an outsider. Just think about what you would feel if Democrats or Republicans accuse foreigners of insulting American people if the the criticism is on the their party’s policies/stupidity? Yeah, that is exactly what CCP has been doing.
@archangel7052
@archangel7052 2 года назад
@@guodah77 You are a bit naive...Have you any idea how the US had its way around the world? Not to mention the kent state shooting or the bombing of Philadelphia??
@guodah77
@guodah77 2 года назад
@@archangel7052 sorry that I cannot get your point. Are you talking about America or China?
@archangel7052
@archangel7052 2 года назад
@@guodah77 I'm saying the US government is no better.
@aworldofcatsandkittens1780
@aworldofcatsandkittens1780 2 года назад
The answer to the debate topic is very obvious, so why ask?
@ramthian
@ramthian 2 года назад
Thanks 🙏
@edwingan1759
@edwingan1759 Год назад
Why?
@conspirisi
@conspirisi 2 года назад
720p !?
@briangarvey809
@briangarvey809 3 дня назад
So what lol
@smokyondagrass2353
@smokyondagrass2353 2 года назад
59:49 what does he mean when he says that the Company is beholden to the Chinese government. like isn't like every company beholden to their government. isn't that what's supposed to happen.
@Mahalakshmi-Khan
@Mahalakshmi-Khan 2 года назад
Proof?
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 2 года назад
49:20 why was this censored??
@JamesJones-bb4bx
@JamesJones-bb4bx 2 года назад
So when did they work this out...they r a clear adversary and if u r in gov and can't see that God help us
@edwingan1759
@edwingan1759 Год назад
They pretend to be blind
@Frohicky1
@Frohicky1 Год назад
Natural closeness. The sort you feel in a cell.
@natbirchall1580
@natbirchall1580 2 года назад
Now, I think this is what you call a clear case
@plaguedoc7779
@plaguedoc7779 2 года назад
A clear case because the Shirley and Vincent are both 🥜 cases
@matng8856
@matng8856 Год назад
Very clear case indeed
@BHARAT_MEHTA
@BHARAT_MEHTA Год назад
Bad case of delusion
@userArMan
@userArMan Год назад
Agreed
@sc-to4uf
@sc-to4uf 2 года назад
*Nathan Law wouldn't make it to a school debating team. I have no patience to go beyond that!*
@satriojumeneng3510
@satriojumeneng3510 Год назад
You are speak from personal experience after he beat you 😂
@kongweepeh
@kongweepeh Год назад
He wouldn’t have patience for you either!
@HanSithuhtet
@HanSithuhtet 2 года назад
Ohh please. Why don't you ask US government to cut down 1% carbon emission first.
@fedgod5710
@fedgod5710 2 года назад
I only support one thing-stop the wars and help the society.
@ap4659
@ap4659 Год назад
Stop Xi to stop the wars
@davidleung3568
@davidleung3568 2 года назад
Very well presenting the real situation Nathan and Alan. It’s a choice between Universal Value and Economic Benefits. I’m glad to see the poll change before and after the debate!
@thecomment9489
@thecomment9489 2 года назад
Universal values like genocides, regime change, colour revolutions etc?
@mhow4967
@mhow4967 2 года назад
D. Leung. Ur bull-shitting here. Nathan is a spy for CCP. We in the West are very careful about this guy. He was born in mainland China. Yellow perils can't be trusted.
@christineyoung8345
@christineyoung8345 2 года назад
For the West to be preaching "universal values" is like a thief preaching property rights. The West should go and figure what it means to have those values before imposing them on others.
@thecomment9489
@thecomment9489 2 года назад
@@christineyoung8345 indeed
@sayilu
@sayilu 2 года назад
US should compete with China at all aspects, Chinese students and worker simply put more hours into it overall, why don’t Chinese deserve better life. Accusing Government form is an excuse.
@TheAmanla
@TheAmanla 2 года назад
So good, all of *YOU*. Thank *YOU* All.
@xxoo-bu5yp
@xxoo-bu5yp Год назад
One the pro adversary speakers
@considerthis7712
@considerthis7712 Год назад
This bilpolar question is ridiculous. Like any relations, it’s rarely all or nothing. It’s setting boundaries, giving support, and agreeing to disagree and how that will be managed. It incudes setting essential points and criteria. Is keeping Taiwan democratic essential, if so why support one China policy? If avoiding genocide is one then Britain, France, Germany, Spain and Portugal need to look at their colonial history. Canada and Australia need to look at their impact on indigenous peoples. (Australia).
@gabrielwong1991
@gabrielwong1991 2 года назад
Should UK treat China as partner? A non-compliance of “Sino-British joint declaration” by China says it all.
@gabrielwong1991
@gabrielwong1991 2 года назад
@Plain Truth make sure you are Hong Konger, I bet you arn't
@gabrielwong1991
@gabrielwong1991 2 года назад
@Plain Truth ah right. So you might as well go back to bilibili instead of youtube which is a western platform if you think UK is "fake democracy" or prior "colonial master". Don't let US or UK brainwash you man! It won't get you too far anyway when all developed countries making their point by boycotting winter olympic for human right issues lol
@gabrielwong1991
@gabrielwong1991 2 года назад
@Plain Truth as if china never give average citizen right to vote for Xi the "president" LMAO study your "current and the past" before stating fact
@gabrielwong1991
@gabrielwong1991 2 года назад
@Plain Truth can average citizen vote their "president" in china? Just reply with Yes or No. Bored with you circling around this and that to be honest And the fact is indeed theres no one system in the world, as if you have good system and bad system to counter the force between. Turns out democracy has been adopted in various countries, been running well on average in the last few decades and only china have "communism with chinese characteristics" lol One shall decide good or bad system they are on!
@gabrielwong1991
@gabrielwong1991 2 года назад
@Plain Truth 你亞洲時間早上回我訊息, 裝老外也做得似樣點吧? 五毛培訓時領導沒教麼? 反正老子沒事做跟你慢慢玩, 反正你收到的五毛錢在外國是用來掉人的
@anwiycti1585
@anwiycti1585 2 года назад
Yu is full of wolf warrior spirit, although heavily accented and hard to convey idea, yet she made it up with top-of-lung shouting as if volume can substitute logic in content.
@Coumei2009
@Coumei2009 2 года назад
It's funny that warmongers who killed millions call others warwolves who didn't kill anyone in the last 30 years.
@sword7872
@sword7872 2 года назад
Where does Nathan get his 3 million Uighurs being locked up from? Even the 1 million that the WUC made up has already been debunked.
@logicbomb0072
@logicbomb0072 2 года назад
Also wearing Enough pearls to pay down that 20% of Africa she claimed china owned, pretty rich on a communist with every inch of pun intended!
@logicbomb0072
@logicbomb0072 2 года назад
@@sword7872You clearly dont get the joke, wolf warrior doesn't mean war monger, it means blow hard! Also the CCP has killed more people in the past 50 years then Hitler, Stalin and the last 250 years of US history combined. At least when the US invades a country they have the integrity to take critizism unlike the corrupt commie party CCP claiming this country or that island sense ancient times cause some asinine ancient Chinese mythology from a long defunct dynasty with no connection of lineage to the current corrupt commie pooches. You just dont get what a joke china is.
@logicbomb0072
@logicbomb0072 2 года назад
@@Coumei2009La Mao??? Read a history book the ccp (corrupt criminal poochies) has killed more people I last 50 years then 250 of us history plus Hitler and stalin combined!
@golonawailus4312
@golonawailus4312 2 года назад
Short answer: it depends
@TAIWAN_PROVINCE_CHINA
@TAIWAN_PROVINCE_CHINA 2 года назад
So what is the difference if you choose us as your adversary?
@greatz655
@greatz655 2 года назад
keep up the good work IQ2
@Intelligence-Squared
@Intelligence-Squared 2 года назад
Thank you for your continued support! :)
@HansJrgenFurfjord
@HansJrgenFurfjord 2 года назад
This was a carefully planned hit-job on China, they picked people to get the outcome they wanted. Please don't be fooled like some kid in gradeschool.
@pepsee0
@pepsee0 2 года назад
Africa has incurred a debt Xi Jinping is fully aware of that can not be paid off and will possess these ports for years to come.
@pikachus5m166
@pikachus5m166 2 года назад
You mean just like how the European powers have done ?
@001mhu
@001mhu 2 года назад
@@pikachus5m166 equating europe's slavery to china's? lol are you stupid? let's not even talk about slavery ok? talk about what existed prior to china's alternative model. they are called TIED AID. go look it up. you take some donation from the west and you're locked into only being able to trade with that country. to explain to this generation of young people: it's like social media influencer using money to make money. like the pretty girls going on exotic vacation showing you the picture perfect lifestyle of the rich - SPEND some money to make MORE MONEY. except with the TIED AID, the recipient country is locked into a deal with a developed nation that 1. dump cheap goods into your country and renders your domestic market unable to compete 2. the other stuff you want to buy from them that they are not dumping cost too much that you can't afford. 3. meanwhile, you can't even trade with anyone else or other developing nations who might have cheaper products........
@petersinclair3997
@petersinclair3997 2 года назад
Before the debate commenced, I sas China as an adversary to other countries, because the China wants to recreate a twenty-first century of the Qing Middle Kingdom with tributary vassals, as evidenced by, say, the BRI and using trade to punish descendant nations. Communism and Capitalism are levers to be pulled by the CPC, as requested, to build dynastic styled relationships. After listening to the speakers, my position has not changed. The apologists for China largely cite economic and commercial interests as reasons to partner. Even then, it should be realised the USD accounts for 88% of international currency trade and the West controls the four largest diversified mining companies in the world. The RBM 4%. Australia likely will block China’s entry into the CP TPP, noting the US, in time, will rejoin. The growth for China cited for 2050 into the 22nd century not a fait accompli. Floating a China based crypto currency will meet resistance from developed countries, whose central banks will protect the USD. AUKUS is forming in the Defence R & D front. Territorial Integrity: Taiwan? Taiwan has never been a part of China. Manchurian, then Japanese, then Japanese under Western occupation. Japan renounced Taiwan in 1951.
@acidbot6692
@acidbot6692 2 года назад
the most optimistic projections have China overtaking the US from 2030 to 2070 at which point the US will overtake China again
@jimmajamma2006
@jimmajamma2006 2 года назад
Shirley Yu Wong
@johnm7267
@johnm7267 2 года назад
The Chinese participant said China should have an election thinking he had nailed it. He would get a shock at the result.
@evelynn_teoh
@evelynn_teoh 2 года назад
all elections are controlled by one person.
@tongfattho6913
@tongfattho6913 2 года назад
Actually, the truth is most people in liberal democracy would like to see China collapsed into chaos. They were very disappointed by the failure of the Tiananmen Square and Hong Kong riots in toppling the CCP. If CCP had not taken control of the situation, China would not remain as one country of 1.5B people. It would be broken into many warring pieces. The Western powers would be more than happy to come in to exert its power over China and to see history repeat itself: century of Chinese humiliation. BTW, how did UK run Hong Kong as a colonial power? Was there democracy then?
@ngomasound
@ngomasound 2 года назад
Truth.
@ericpeters2305
@ericpeters2305 2 года назад
China deserves collapse into chaos for its Wuhan virus.
@tongfattho6913
@tongfattho6913 2 года назад
@@ericpeters2305 China's gift to the West in return for opium forced upon it by the British and the humiliation by the West for burning and looting its palace and occupying its land.
@duocchau2908
@duocchau2908 2 года назад
You do make a good point.
@bjorsam6979
@bjorsam6979 2 года назад
Yu could have said basically the same thing about Putin's Russia. Europe in particular has enriched him and enabled the Russian military build-up. Surely we need to differentiate between states and people. When can a state be considered to represent the people of that country? I'd say a well functioning democracy is the gold standard as far as we know while a dictatorship is on the other end of the spectrum. If we deem a state not to represent the people living there, it would be prudent to avoid feeding it like an evil plant from outer space, because in the long run we risk it sucking more than some blood from a finger. In order to trade with the right entitities we need open transactions, crack down on tax havens, secretive schemes and hidden owners. As of today we can't even tell who owns huge yachts parked all over the world. Now there's a start, although a bit more uncomfortable than pointing towards China, it's something we can do right here and now, that in the end would enably us to trade with partners that respect some basic level of human rights; perhaps even paying some regards to environmental protection and willing to not play the Race to the Bottom?
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