Debunking Maynard's 25s Scream (Tool's The Grudge Vocal Analysis) 

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Thanks Chris, I'm going to give this a go. I had my vocal folds examined just a little while back to make sure they were not damaged. Scope down the nose, not so fun, but results were good!

I agree!

Now that's a song

@@JaMeshuggah nice name! Meshuggah is my favorite band.

@@GabiBrooks Now that's a band! Let's hope for a Deftones Meshuggah and Tool tour lol

@@JaMeshuggah that would be fiire!

Vulgar Display Of Vocal

But did that make it to the final version

neat, I actually didn't know they recorded at Ocean Way - I would have loved to be there to hear the final mix on those speakers lol

There is no claim that Maynard didn’t nearly pass out, or that he didn’t have one or more incredible takes. But none of those claims address the claim that there is some production wizardry going on to subtlety layer and compose it into the audio we have all heard thousands of times in the released recording.

.....I believe him yo, I don't know why, but I do..

Have you seen my Judith cover ? (its a short)

@chrisliepe I have not!!! But I'm going to find it immediately. So excited!! Thank you kind sir!! I tip my tiny hat to u!!! 👒

Right! Different technique tho! :)

@@chrisliepe ​​⁠Yeah. I actually like the way he sings (the entire song) live more than studio. Side note - it would be cool to see you analyze Phil Anselmo on the intro to a live version of 13 Steps To Nowhere. It's the one from Sacramento, CA in 1996. He sounds like an actual monster. It is insane.

Yes, and iirc he does all the male cleans as well

Most people totally can do a longer scream, but it’s not the technique we hear Maynard doing in the studio recording. It’s more like what we hear him do live… a voiceless, low airflow fry or upper constricted “whisper” scream.

@@chrisliepe And that's exactly how I do the long screams its super compressed low airflow fry scream, and as you start running out of support for it, you close your mouth more and bring teeth into it (for lack of a better way to describe) and lean into a more grunge kinda distortion.

Heck, 25 seconds isn't that hard if you're singing a note in a good range either. It just takes a tiny bit of practice. I would say a scream is harder because you're more likely to accidentally release too much air at the onset. For me, an E4 in a mixed voice is the sweet spot. But really, any note that's not excessively chest voice driven would work. Lung capacity has nothing to do with it. It has to do with not releasing too much air too fast. Air flow control.

@@rome8180 I agree it's all in the technique, but like Chris said here he isn't really talking about how long the scream is, that was my misunderstanding and commenting before the video was over

GREAT IDEA!

Yep! But it’s a different technique. I discussed this in the video

I will :)

Sometimes there are really funny sounds hidden in screams. I once recorded a vocalist and it sounded like we pitch corrected his scream to sound like a very fast chromatic scale. It didn't sound good, just really unnatural and edited.

@@borogove thanks for the reply. I’ll have to start listening out for that kinda stuff in screams. I’m kinda intrigued now btw, I wanna hear the song you did.

I feel like they layered the scream with the didgeridoo? sound you hear at the start of this song live

@@chuckymogwai I just had a listen but I didn’t know a didgeridoo could go that low, when I’ve heard them they seem higher.

Coming! Wanted to wait until the official version came out to experience it :) Which is tomorrow!!!

Awsome good to know I look forward to it she is a amazing vocalist I love how her and Mike sound together

Haha. Doesn’t diminish anything for me. He’s still the GOAT

trying to upload my video... keeps getting blocked... hopefully it'll be up soon.

I did. In this video.

@@chrisliepe get 'em, Jade!!!!

It must be miserable being such a moral absolutist. If being a scientologist is your bar where you don't want to enjoy someone's art, I've got bad news for you about at least 50% of the best artists in music history. Heck, it's probably more than that. The others just haven't had something "problematic" about them actually come out yet.

@@rome8180 it must be being miserable being an apologist for child trafficking and labor, systemic mandated stalking, sexual abuse covering, and family destroying policies.

@@BeansBrown22 That's more or less every major religion though. Catholic church are the gold standard in those regards.

@@jensendkmg7209 You are clearly not educated on the subject. And that’s not a knock on you…most people aren’t. There is an understandable knee-jerk reaction to conclude a false equivalency with other major religions and Scientology until you come to understand the specific policies and practices. No other “religion” was started by a science fiction writer who is convicted felon for fraud that wrote specific policies requiring its members commit illegal acts (including that the police are the enemy of the church). Scientology has written policy stating all of this. Other religions certainly hide things and have people who do bad things all the time, that is blatantly clear and I’m not defending that, but Scientology stands alone in how its policies were written, are used, and how they enforced by the “church”. It’s way worse than you think once you dive into all of it.

Oh and just thumbs downed after clicking out and seeing the maynards scream debunked title again 🤣

You made your judgement on me before even listening to what I had to say. Thumbs down to you too. If you had watched the video instead of clicking out just to be negative, you would have heard my balanced and unbiased analysis of what was going on. Maynard is one of my fav vocalists of all time.

EVERYONE “Fakes” studio vocal takes. It’s called PRODUCTION. Chris is literally pointing out how/why/when this is taking place to give us an understanding of what goes into complex vocal recordings that deliver the “full sounds” we hear on top tier records. The fact that you commented like this tells us all how little you know about the music industry. Maynard can clearly scream it for 25 second live but to fulfill a lengthy tour you HAVE TO modify the technique to maintain a full length show and vocal health for the entire tour. Maynard is one of the best of all times and Chris made that clear. Ps- you obviously dig Maynard too which is why you got so defensive. Take your emotions out of your comments next time and soak in the knowledge the RU-vidr is delivering…Chris slayed this video. 👌

meh

@@Quadz10 THIS... Thanks for your support and seeing the intent behind the video! As I said in the video, knowing how studio production enhances what we hear and enjoy is a HUGE encouragement to me as a practicing vocalist because I don't feel like I'm pressured to emulate those sounds with my voice alone! It's a team and and a meticulous mixture of amazing vocal performances, musical and strategic studio treatment and great song writing! Not JUST a scream... Not JUST a voice. But it includes an amazing voice for sure!