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Debunking The Myth of Heart-Healthy Vegetable Oils | Dr. Shawn Baker & Cate Shanahan, MD 

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@anyajohnson4471
@anyajohnson4471 2 месяца назад
Woah. The idea that seed oils drive insulin resistance and cause cells to crave sugar deserves it’s own interview Dr. Baker!!! I hope you have her on again to explore that!
@phreedomphile
@phreedomphile 2 месяца назад
FYI Tucker Goodrich has discussed that topic a few times in interviews and on his YT channel and blog.
@anyajohnson4471
@anyajohnson4471 2 месяца назад
@@phreedomphile thanks - I will check it out
@jayhoggard92
@jayhoggard92 2 месяца назад
Yes, please
@Notarealusersname
@Notarealusersname Месяц назад
I have long wished Dr. Shanahan was more widely known. Thanks for empowering her voice
@phreedomphile
@phreedomphile 2 месяца назад
Regarding oxalates, there is at least one medical journal article by pediatric nephrology specialists reporting case studies of children with kidney stones and renal dysfunction seemingly from drinking a lot of almond milk which is a rich source of oxalates. Four years ago, I shared a link to this article with folks active in keto and carnivore Twitter communities and it was retweeted to some extent. Seems Sally Norton's knowledge base is still very relevant.
@reppy
@reppy 2 месяца назад
I love to see any interviews with Dr. Cate Shanahan. I just finished listening to her latest book, "Dark Calories". I think it was a 16 hour listen and to be honest, I still wanted more.
@roxannekhalifa3056
@roxannekhalifa3056 2 месяца назад
@reppy thanks! Just downloaded it!
@frugalprepper
@frugalprepper 2 месяца назад
I have been Clean Keto and now mostly carnivore for 5 years. No seed oils, and very low carbs. I do have a home made chocolate chip cookie or a piece of home made sourdough bread now and then though. I have lost 200 lbs. I was diabetic, on 300 units of insulin per day, AICs in the 14, I was going blind, needed knee replacement, I had leg ulcers, All those problems have gone away now, and I am no longer diabetic (and yes I ate cake on my birthday and no high sugar so I am not a diabetic) I have had 5-6 strokes in the last year of so. The last one was in my cerebellum, that one was a bear to recover from, but I am back to normal and back to work, but keto/carnivore really helps with the recovery from a stroke. I have high BP still. It has been high since I was a teenager, and I am 50 now. Without any medication it will get to over 300 systolic. On 9 medications they get it down to 160 or so, but my body always feels like it is fighting it to try to stay alive. I have no energy on the meds and my muscles feel like jell-o, like I have been lifting weights and they are saying NO MORE. I have had a CTA scan (showed no blockages) and a CAC score of 0. I have had stress tests, nuclear scans, etc. No problems. I finally got in to see a great cardiologist who specializes in Resistant Hypertension in another city. He takes his time and listens to me. We have been working on it. He says your EKG looks good so I don't think you have PH (Pulmonary Hypertension). I stopped him and said, Yeah that one was fine, but when my BP hits 190 or so my T-Wave inverts and my S-Wave does something weird and my P wave peaks or something, and my heat is slightly enlarged on the right side instead of the left side. I have over 20 EKG's that show it, but my vegan cardiologist in Springfield said not to worry about it. I got copies of the EKG's and sent them over to him, and come to find out those are the primary indicators for pulmonary hypertension, it is rare, but it is treatable with medication. I have another $1100 test and see him again in 2 weeks.
@nevillegoddard4966
@nevillegoddard4966 2 месяца назад
@@frugalprepper So what the heck do you think is going on that makes your BP want to be so sky high then? You seem to be doing all the right things! You've cured youself of T2D for goodness sake yet you still have these problems? 5 strokes? Geez, that's terrible! I guess all the strokes you've had are mainly caused by your high BP huh? I've been mostly carnivore/keto for 6 months now. I never had diabetes but my BP went down 10 or 15 points systolic, & my weight dropped 10kg & has stayed there. Your poor thing all this doesn't make sense! Fatigue & aches etc? Could it be something with your endocrine system maybe? How's your thyroid stats? I dunno I'm no expert at all, but there could be an underlying issue common to all your problems, which are not likely to be connected with your diet. Maybe present your case to one of these carnivore doctors like Chaffee, Berry, or even Prof. Bart Kay? I wish I knew what else to suggest for, but I wish you well, & wellness!
@fthh46
@fthh46 2 месяца назад
Try Revero, and also try strict Chaffee diet of water and ruminant meat.
@carrikartes1403
@carrikartes1403 2 месяца назад
I deduced that my husband's uncontrollable blood pressure is most likely due to cadmium toxicity. He had industrial exposure and 30 years of smoking. Cadmium is a heavy metal that competes in the body with zinc. When you are deficient in zinc your body can use cadmium instead but this makes tissues rigid. The doctors I have talked to do not want to test him. Instead I supplement zinc and trace minerals and very slowly over time his blood pressure is improving. He does not take their blood pressure meds because they are only slightly helpful and have so many side effects. We tried the medical intervention route and it just made him sicker and almost killed him. He won't give up carbs but he got off all seed oils and most of the time grains. Just lately he has started to eat a lot of red meat. I hope he will join me on carnivore someday. Keep researching yourself the answers are out there. God bless
@DangerZone-w6y
@DangerZone-w6y 2 месяца назад
Cate Shanahan seriously excellent guest Dr. B!
@Harry_At_NewMexico
@Harry_At_NewMexico 2 месяца назад
WOW ... she was exceedingly informative 👍👍👍
@perrysebastian6928
@perrysebastian6928 2 месяца назад
Thank you, Cate, for being a strong advocate for getting these nasty oils out of our diets.
@slayerment
@slayerment 2 месяца назад
Cate Shanahan is a hero!!
@heyjace7213
@heyjace7213 2 месяца назад
So cool to see you together! I just finished Dr. Baker’s book and I’m now reading Dr. Cate’s! 😂
@Mahalalel3
@Mahalalel3 Месяц назад
Super fantastic guest. Thank You Shawn.
@annyceday
@annyceday 2 месяца назад
Have her back as a guest again. Love her demeanor, knowledge and expert explanations.
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 2 месяца назад
I just ordered her book. She goes right into many questions i hve had in my carnivore journey.
@meaghankelly3887
@meaghankelly3887 2 месяца назад
...we no longer test on healthy people....last 50 yrs -/+... Yikes! Ive been avoiding as best as can, eating out, even local diner, (makes me feel bad my neighbors, but...🙁) to have better idea WHY.... 💖 thank you. 🙏🏼
@blackhillsed4936
@blackhillsed4936 2 месяца назад
We are the experiment. No seed oils for 4 months and I feel great now.
@VIsionsOfJenna
@VIsionsOfJenna 2 месяца назад
I need to listen to Dr. Shanahan more regularly, so I can be reminded how terrible seed oils are. I eat carnivore most of the time, but still occasionally drift into keto junk, which is almost pure garbage. I love what she said about Chipotle.
@ianstuart5660
@ianstuart5660 2 месяца назад
You don't like it?
@KenJackson_US
@KenJackson_US 2 месяца назад
_"Keto junk"?_ You must mean highly processed factory junk that's wrongfully labeled "keto", right? It has nothing to do with keto.
@aquavitae3824
@aquavitae3824 2 месяца назад
Such a critical factor.
@HaroldCrews
@HaroldCrews 2 месяца назад
Restaurants should switch over to commercial air fryers instead of deep frying with seed oils.
@set3777
@set3777 20 дней назад
McDonalds used to fry with Tallow until AHA became corrupt.
@Rageinred
@Rageinred 2 месяца назад
Best never to go out to restaurants or fast food. Not missing it at all.
@KenJackson_US
@KenJackson_US 2 месяца назад
I agree, though it's distressing since friends to out to eat. It's a shame no restaurants serve safe food.
@estherruth4692
@estherruth4692 2 месяца назад
Since I’ve gone carnivore, I don’t even enjoy going out to eat. Food just doesn’t taste as good as I can cook it at home.
@KenJackson_US
@KenJackson_US 2 месяца назад
@Kwildcat13 Burger on a bun (carbohydrates, seed oils)? With sauce/ketchup/mustard (carbohydrates, seed oils, emulsifiers)? With cheese or processed "cheese food" (horrible)? With french fries (cooked in toxic oxidized oil)? I doubt most restaurants have even an ounce of real butter in the fridge.
@2old4allthis
@2old4allthis 2 месяца назад
Smoked brisket is still relatively safe. On the road, we eat almost exclusively at BBQ joints.
@drjerry22
@drjerry22 Месяц назад
@Kwildcat13 make sure to ask if the butter is cut with margarine because the majority of restaurants do not have pure butter.
@andredaedone7732
@andredaedone7732 2 месяца назад
Pretty amazing explanations.
@nataliegist2014
@nataliegist2014 2 месяца назад
Wow what a interview.,lesson learned.
@andrewpizzino2514
@andrewpizzino2514 2 месяца назад
Deep Nutrition great book
@SteveMark-v9w
@SteveMark-v9w Месяц назад
This is fantastic! Dr. Cate's explanation of how/why someone becomes a "sugar addict" also explains why the "energy model" people have managed to conclude that adding in healthy carbs back to your diet will reduce insulin resistance. They just aren't seeing the big picture. (I only own 3 of this type of book, and Dr. Cate's new one is the 3rd one (and in case you're wondering, the other two are from Paul Saladino and Rob Wolf). To me, her theory seems to be able to explain everything (why the "Mastering Diabetes" people can get good results at the same time as carnivores like Dr. Baker also do).
@sbbakelar3335
@sbbakelar3335 2 месяца назад
Incredible interview!
@judyking4597
@judyking4597 2 месяца назад
Amazing interview. Thanks!
@danielcohen24
@danielcohen24 2 месяца назад
Just another thing with seed oils, their deuterium levels are insanely high...
@KenJackson_US
@KenJackson_US 2 месяца назад
How do you know? Why would that be? Is it on purpose?
@2old4allthis
@2old4allthis 2 месяца назад
Correct. Partially a result of the manufacturing process.
@briantwardy2809
@briantwardy2809 2 месяца назад
Wow! I love Dr Cate. We all do. Cheers from Baltimore
@Rageinred
@Rageinred 2 месяца назад
Just read Dark Calories. Great info.
@JennifertxCarnivore
@JennifertxCarnivore 2 месяца назад
Great video Dr. Baker! ☺️ Seed oils need to have huge warning labels on them!
@llong0267
@llong0267 2 месяца назад
Thank you for this. Very informative interview. I need to get her book. 🙌♥️👍
@Edge1588
@Edge1588 9 дней назад
If every cell has cholesterol. Our nervous system is built from cholesterol. Our reproductive ability stems from cholesterol, then cholesterol raising foods seems pretty damn important for our health. Cholesterol lowering foods seem like a way to neuter the human animal. Quite literally turning them into bed bound vegetables (all puns intended)
@Wildtr0ut
@Wildtr0ut 2 месяца назад
This is practical information.
@KellyNora-p8q
@KellyNora-p8q 2 месяца назад
Mikayla Peterson's mom said her cellulite went away after she went on the lion diet.
@kinggrimm4338
@kinggrimm4338 2 месяца назад
Several thousand have said the same thing, so do i.
@fender1000100
@fender1000100 2 месяца назад
Yeah and next you will be able to time travel and have the powerball numbers a day early. Everyone wants to believe their diet is the best. I havent eaten meat for 30 years. And im thriving. More muscular and a killer in the bedroom at 61. We all have our stories..
@kellibodony1077
@kellibodony1077 2 месяца назад
​@@fender1000100Testosterone pellets and supplements, huh? Don't protest too much. Fat is the fuel for hormones.
@meaghankelly3887
@meaghankelly3887 2 месяца назад
Excellent excellent excellent 💖🙏🏼💖💃🏼💖
@dawnelder9046
@dawnelder9046 2 месяца назад
I get pork from a local farmer. Free range. Smoke the bacon ourselves. It is like the bacon of my youth. Non slimy.
@rawmilkmike
@rawmilkmike 2 месяца назад
Hey, doc. One of your best guests. 51:41
@ketoman4057
@ketoman4057 8 дней назад
What I do not undersand is why Dr Cate recommends endogenous carbs when the T2D blood is full of glucose?? How does eating some carbs allow the cells to open up for glucose when the blood is already full of it? If I can get the answer to this question I may start eating some above ground vegies. If anyone can explain please answer here...
@Damcarnivore
@Damcarnivore 2 месяца назад
I’m guessing those babies are drinking formula and eating “baby food”
@EarmuffHugger
@EarmuffHugger 2 месяца назад
No wonder I've been ill all my life.
@m.Process
@m.Process 2 месяца назад
Word
@Rageinred
@Rageinred 2 месяца назад
Exactly. And the most appalling is that our govt that is supposed to be representing ‘we the people’ are actively working with industry to DESTROY us. They exploit us. You’d think a healthier slave would be a better deal for them. Not so. Turns out healthier slaves are more apt to object to being slaves.
@Rageinred
@Rageinred 2 месяца назад
Ha. Of course my comment would be banned.
@EarmuffHugger
@EarmuffHugger 2 месяца назад
Seed oils are likely the reason there has been an exponential increase in androgyny within the last century. There are fats in ovaries & sperm. Just sayin.
@EarmuffHugger
@EarmuffHugger 2 месяца назад
Seed oils are probably the reason there has been an exponential increase in androgyny in the last century. Ovaries, sperm & fetuses require fat. Just sayin.
@Jay-h9d9h
@Jay-h9d9h 2 месяца назад
Humans don't burn calories
@JasonActualization
@JasonActualization 2 месяца назад
Food quality first, and food quantity will fall into place. That said, they both matter.
@kinggrimm4338
@kinggrimm4338 2 месяца назад
​@JasonActualization calories don't matter because you don't know what a calorie is. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the CICO model were true, you wouldn't be able to disprove it. So I'll state one example: anyone at any time can disprove it, all you need to do is eat a surplus of around 6k or more calories of only meat (carnivor) and try to gain weight (fat). If CICO were indeed true then you should notice some fat gain after 2 weeks or so. In reality, you won't be gaining any fat, but losing it, because CICO is false after doing this simple experiment. The end.
@JasonActualization
@JasonActualization 2 месяца назад
@kinggrimm4338 Would you be willing to make a video documenting this process, will daily morning weigh-ins? What you aren't accounting for is the fact that calories from protein are nearly nullified after accounting for their digestive thermic effect, use to replenish hair/skin/nails, enzymes in the body, and the fact that few amino acids are even able to undergo gluconeogenesis. So your experiment must use a fatty cut of meat, and your calculation of caloric intake must assign 9 kcal per gram of fat, 4 kcal per gram of carbohydrate, and not assign any net calories per gram of protein. Go about your daily routine, being no more or less active than you usually are, and eat an additional 1000 calories per day (~111 grams of additional fat) while documenting your daily weight for 2 weeks, and then kindly report back with your results.
@kinggrimm4338
@kinggrimm4338 2 месяца назад
@@JasonActualization no need, you don't know what a calorie is. Please get educated. Take your argument to Edward Goeke or Bart Kay.
@JasonActualization
@JasonActualization 2 месяца назад
@@kinggrimm4338 Thank you for epitomizing irrationality and failing to offer anything substantive to support your assertion.
@lynnwilliams5432
@lynnwilliams5432 2 месяца назад
This was great! 82 years past my expiration date wonder how much of my body is made up of them. Wonder if it added to my cheddar cheese? My kidneys are great nurse bring me the test results which I don’t have a clue of understanding. I wonder what is causing the high rate of osteoporosis in persons my age? Carnivore 7 years.
@lynnwilliams5432
@lynnwilliams5432 2 месяца назад
Is this Ryan Williams competition?
@Debbie-rp1pi
@Debbie-rp1pi 2 месяца назад
Osteoporosis is caused by a lack of animal meat protein. Dr Baker interviewed a lady with spinal osteoporosis which reversed on a carnivore diet. Protein is needed to build bones not calcium as we've been told. A lot of older people are not eating much meat.
@interestedpart2650
@interestedpart2650 2 месяца назад
Excellent
@beginner1991
@beginner1991 2 месяца назад
I agree with the core message but she is all over the place (=wrong) in the details, eg. biochemistry. Soybean oils is almost entirely Linoleic acid so by her reasoning, if it is not linoleic acid, then soybean oil would be fine. It's not. Linoleic acid (LA) is indeed bad and it's not only due to oxidation. LA gets converted to arachidonic acid (ARA) which is a precursor to many bad inflammatory chemicals. In fact what NSAIDs (aspirin, ibuprofen,...) do is block the conversion of ARA to pro inflammatory substances by blocking COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes. However omega-3 from plants, alpha linolenic acid (ALA) which "replaces" to an extent LA in canola oil activates said above metabolic pass. so yeah canola oil is probably worse than soybean oil at least in terms of fatty acids. And that is just one thing that makes LA bad, on top comes how it affects your mitochondria and leads to insulin resistance. EDIT: and about reheating food. the most common bacterial cause is from S.Aureus which happens to release a very potent toxin that leads to the known effects of food poisoning. the bacteria grows during the cool down period of the food and if not properly cooled the entire time and also during the heating period especially if slow. The toxin is heat stable so high heat doesn't help. Given most peoples "kitchen hygiene" or better said lack thereof I bet it indeed is food poisoning. And yeah leaving it out of the fridge to cool down for 2h is totally enough time for this to happen.
@shogunofharlem8240
@shogunofharlem8240 2 месяца назад
No offense, but that sounds like a lot of gobbledigook. The problem with soybean oil is that it is soybean oil, not that it is linoleic acid. Omega-6 is an essential molecule, as is arachadonic acid, which, btw, you get plenty of every time you eat a steak..
@beginner1991
@beginner1991 2 месяца назад
@@shogunofharlem8240 that makes no sense as soybean oil is about to 90% linoleic acid. The "essential fats" is also one of many bullshit things we just take for granted even though the research it is based on is wonky. omega-3 is for sure more important and the essential part is very likley only relevant for kids. adults tend to have enough stored, especially of omega-6.
@rashoff
@rashoff 2 месяца назад
What about reheating beef tallow or pork fat/lard? I often do that when making burger patties and bacon. I assume longer resistance, but wondering how many times I could reheat them 47:45 never mind, got part of the answer, although I don't deep fry
@MyDogSteppedOnaBeee
@MyDogSteppedOnaBeee 2 месяца назад
What about grape seed oil and Coconut oil? Are those one's to avoid?
@set3777
@set3777 20 дней назад
Coconut oil is OK. Grape seed oil is bad. Go to Dr Cate's website and download the chart.
@Found-it-there
@Found-it-there 2 месяца назад
At 45:38 you talked about the toxicity of reheating fried foods. So any precooked breaded fried foods is a big red flag.
@poppy3026
@poppy3026 28 дней назад
ALL I KNOW IS WHAT HELL I FEEL AFTER I EAT ANYTHING THAT IS PREPARED WITH OR HAS SEED OILS IN IT. NO ONE CAN TELL ME THE NERVE PAIN AND GUT ISSUES I HAVE PHYSICALLY IS NOT FROM THE SEED OILS. THE WORST THING IS TO BE CLEAN FROM THEM FOR YEARS NOW AND BE LIED TO AT A RESTAURANT .... I KNOW HOW ILL AND PAINFUL IT IS.... SO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT THINK THIS IS BUNK - TOO FREAKIN BAD.
@stayfree6115
@stayfree6115 2 месяца назад
I wish there was a restaurant that used no seed oils, additives, msg, or highly processed foods. I wonder if it could be a viable business. I think it would especially in more metropolitan areas because of customer density. Maybe Rivero would make it happen. And profit too.
@2old4allthis
@2old4allthis 2 месяца назад
Smokehouses and BBQ restaurants
@lynnwilliams5432
@lynnwilliams5432 2 месяца назад
MCT oil is that one? I got the book .
@little8940
@little8940 2 месяца назад
That’s why I used to eat my leftover pizza cold.
@KenJackson_US
@KenJackson_US 2 месяца назад
I missed something. We shouldn't worry about linoleic acid, OK, so what about *Omega 3* fish oil supplement? Is it unhelpful? Should I stop taking it?
@JasonActualization
@JasonActualization 2 месяца назад
I would, yes. All fish oil supplements have alarming levels of oxidation. The best thing to do, which costs about $1 per day, is to eat 200 grams of wild caught salmon per week, consumed for example in two 100 gram portions throughout the week. DHA is the true essential Omega-3 fat, not linoleic acid.
@TidyWhitey
@TidyWhitey 2 месяца назад
Would canned wild caught salmon have same omegas. Or does the canning destroy the goodness?
@KenJackson_US
@KenJackson_US 2 месяца назад
@@TidyWhitey I assume all fish have them. But I don't eat fish every week. Much has been made about the need for Omega 3s, so I'm just wondering if supplementing is beneficial or not.
@lauramartin2313
@lauramartin2313 2 месяца назад
What about nuts and seeds? Are they in the same camp?
@dawnelder9046
@dawnelder9046 2 месяца назад
In nature nuts and seeds were seasonal. When I was a child in Newfoundland we only had nuts at Christmas. In the shell and imported. Took a while to eat. Pumpkin seeds in the fall from the jack-o-lantern.
@lauramartin2313
@lauramartin2313 2 месяца назад
Yes, I also remember nuts only at holidays as a snack before our meals, growing up in Alaska. Now people are eating them all the time.
@Roberto-cg2gr
@Roberto-cg2gr 2 месяца назад
Carvallo is saying there is no research on seed oils
@JasonActualization
@JasonActualization 2 месяца назад
He is incredibly nice and well-intended, but severely mislead by the academic echo chamber he resides in.
@jennyclivegibbes4608
@jennyclivegibbes4608 2 месяца назад
Where does palm oil stand in all this... good or bad?
@shogunofharlem8240
@shogunofharlem8240 2 месяца назад
Red palm oil is fine.
@GM4ThePeople
@GM4ThePeople 2 месяца назад
"Cate Shanahan" is an anagram for "Ha, Canasta Hen". o/
@oscaroscar6197
@oscaroscar6197 20 дней назад
scaremongering, all oils for cooking are good so long you have enough Vitamin D. This lady just wants to sell her book !
@nancygorham5908
@nancygorham5908 2 месяца назад
Listening 25 June 2024
@kingneptune8120
@kingneptune8120 2 месяца назад
To much editing.. started to fell like i was listening to a female version of christopher Walken
@ianstuart5660
@ianstuart5660 2 месяца назад
You don't like it?
@kingneptune8120
@kingneptune8120 2 месяца назад
@@ianstuart5660 I liked it for sure just to choppy
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 2 месяца назад
Less editing, more cowbell! 😂
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