Debunking the Pink Sauce Controversy | How To Cook That Ann Reardon 

excellent, balanced video from a proper food scientist. Seems the internet is full of smart-mouthed entertainers with strong (and uneducated) views isn't it. 🧐

maybe take a look at some other products labels and how the allowed leeway in the grams of things can lead to calories not adding up especially in per serving size if the serving is just few grams (the calories themselves have a bunch of leeway too). like how you can use sugar as a packing agent for a sweetener and be '0' carbs.

Ann, this was some of the best food and health journalism I've ever seen as a health researcher.

@@lasskinn474 TicTac is 0 sugar, but it's also 90-ish٪ sugar, I think. The trick is, that they are under 2gr or something, and that allows them to claim they are sugar free.

I LOVE YOU WOMAN! I love how you always have very well detailed and valid explanations and you try your human best to throw your bias aside I think this video is amazing keep it up Ann and I hope you and your family have a wonderful day ❤✨

Well, she didn't actually "Replicate" the flavor as we don't know what "Spices" were used and she doesn't have the actual sauce to compare it to, but she debunked the claims against the ingredient list since dragon fruit tourns out to be an emulsifier. Great Job Ann!!! ;)

@@micro2743 I know, but i'm sure she came pretty close. If you know your flavours like Ann does then i think most sauce recipes are gonna be pretty standard, especially when most of the customers described it as ranch-like. That should have been more than enough for her to work with

I get your point, but what she did is not proof of being a food scientist. I'm not a food scientist and even I know how to make an emulsion. She just did some basic experiments that anybody claiming to test the ingredient list should have been able to do. Anne's awesome because she took the time to dispassionately examine all of the claims, and she's even more awesome because she's cultivated a reputation so stalwart that we expect nothing less from her.

Making an emulsion isn't even that hard. It just shows how little research creators like MatPat do before making videos. MatPat probably has the worst track record of talking confidently about things without any expertise or evidence.

Love the fact she proved those other videos wrong lol. Just go to show that jumping on a bandwagon doesn't mean much if you don't know what you are doing

We all know it's made of fish

I would love to see her expose KFC secret recipe

I'm pretty sure it's plankton.

@@Ryanrulesok isn’t it krab

@@Ryanrulesok the creators of SpongeBob has said that the patty is vegan so it can't be any type of seafood

I suspect I am at least as qualified as a chef that she is, as I have cooked (on occasion) a three course festive meal for between 8 and 20 people. Being a good chef, i delegated most of the work (once the planning was done). btw: This was private parties in a student dorm, not a paid position.

Sauces like this DO NOT fall under cottage food license protection. She most likely didn't have one, as you have to pay to apply, you need to provide official documentation about your kitchen, the foods you'll be making, and they have to send an inspector out before approval. Only (and I quote) "baked goods, candies, jams, jellies, preserves, fruit butters, dry spice blends, or dry tea blends" fall under a food cottage permit. Her sauce wouldn't fall under any of those classifications.

A food handler's card isn't that hard to get, so I wouldn't even trust that. The test I took for mine asked me like 7 questions and they were mostly just common sense questions, I didn't have to learn anything substantial for the test.

​@@scrdart She said in one of her videos that she went through all the legal routes, with help... To make sure it's better and safe.

Kinda reminds me of Sorted Food. Even though the 'normals' have been cooking for several years, they still say they are normals because they aren't classically trained chefs.

The fading colour is what actually hurt Chef Pii, sauce that's labeled Pink looking greyish will not sell well, most people wouldn’t even check expiration date when they see that the name doesn’t match the products appearance, especially in this case.

​@@horchata0 nope. natural colors have a harder time retaining vibrancy in foods so they end up getting dull over time.

Yeah basically chef Pii has bad business and logistical acumen. Her product itself was always legit.

Well she confirmed the truths and denied the lies, its up to the customer to decide what's true or not

@@theinvisiblewoman5709 To the extent that needlessly expensive mayonaise can be legit, anyway.

@@harringt100 lol true $20 is ridiculous

@@harringt100 it’s vegan and uses olive oil, which could make it cost ten or fifteen dollars on the normal market easily, and it’s pink, which I think actually may reduce its value normally when targeted directly to consumers? It feels like something that an ultra-trendy rests might use, vegan and instagrammable?

Probably the only thing he was thinking about was the views and attention it would bring him. That it could possibly impact somebody else probably didn’t cross his mind.

Let just say, Some people don't think far ahead, and don't understand concepts of consequences. Even when they're old enough to understand that, especially the self centered type personality (aka karen)

I suspect that he saw the accusation that it was dangerous and pulled the faking his own death stunt thinking there would be real verifiable cases and he could just come back and claiming he was only trying to draw attention to a real dangerous product when there wasn't he found himself between a rock and a hard place so tried the apology to get out of it hole he dug.

Honestly I hate "prank" videos like that & I hope she checks with a lawyer if she has cause to sue.

I'm not a supporter of Chef Pi, but she has every right to sue that man if the law allows. What that guy did was all sorts of messed up.

Especially on the scale she was on. The old lady who sells plates out her old dusty house ain't got no sanitation certificates 😅 and she got the best food, cars be lined up every Sunday😂

I’m a food safety inspector with a county health department here. Our food safety program permits food service, processing, and storage facilities and follow requirements that are state-wide and are consistent with the 2023 FDA Model Food Code. Private chefs do not require permitting where I am. They are using the kitchen, and sometimes food, provided by the client. They aren’t operating in the scale of a caterer and do not have do any preparation at a separate location. Everything is prepared on-site in a home for a client and sometimes their guests. It’s very small scale. This sort of thing doesn’t require a permit or any sort of certification (again, where I am located) but the client could certainly ask that they have some sort of food safety training certification. She mentions that she is RAMP certified but didn’t mention any food safety certification, so I would assume she doesn’t have one. The production and bottling of the pink sauce would require some sort of permit, probably from the state out local health department. But honestly this sort of operation has very little risk of food borne illness, as the final product will be acidified to the point of being shelf stable. Speaking for my department, we would require that the bottles either say they require refrigeration or that she submit the product for testing at a lab to verify the acidity.

Oh boy. I hope you've never eaten fast food or at a restaurant of any kind before!

@@HolyKhaaaaan fast food workers need sanitary certification lol

@@AlienZizi never heard of a 'sanitary certification' mostly because it doesn't exist- you must be thinking of the food handling & hygiene course you take as part of your day 1 training when you start any job in the food industry, which you have to retake anytime you start a new job. they arent giving mcdonalds workers certificates to hold on to because in all honesty, its not a hard thing to learn because everything you learn all falls on the same idea to not cross contaminate food. next thing you know, you're gonna tell me its better to wear gloves when food prepping

Did they sue her?

oh dear

wowww

literally what rappers do. Never read the contract, be greedy for upfront money, think they own that money, blow it in clubs.

I really hope they sue her, she asked for so much extra money, spent it all on useless stuff then she had to audacity to say her kids have nothing to eat cause the company refused to give her more money

Sameeee!! I smiled so hard

Honey slime!!!

@Punkrock Noir cringe reply

She's so methodical, I love it. Very inspiring too, I hope her methods teach people the value of critical thinking.

@Punkrock Noir cringe reply

What Ann didn't mention is that Alley (the girl who went on the talkshow) actually found glitter in the pink sauce. The talkshow then later was totally set up to make Chef Pee look like a victim of internet trolls and haters, who didn't want a single, black mother to succeed with her business. That clip that Ann showed wasn't even the worst part of the talkshow, the host totally going at Alley was something else. Said host later deleted the show from his channel, but there are enough clips around. It was also quite clear that Chef Pee simply couldn't handle the business part, hadn't really looked into food safety standards and seemingly considered her first group of paying customers her test subjects. Since then she partnered with a condiment distribution company that now produces and ships her sauce (which probably is a good thing).

We have to start somewhere. You get an idea from God in your heart and you try it. Then it explodes when all you were trying to do is make enough to make ends meet. Never expecting it to explode like it did. No one knows how to handle the success of you never had it before. Plus glitter is the devil. If it’s in your house you will find it even after a professional cleaning. My friend has band it from her house 😂😂😂 you want a quick funny video about it...look up “second hand glitter” by It’s A Southern thing! So accurate and hilarious at the same time!

Well clickbait is what gives the most views unfortunately...

Real content by a real person... not a content creator

She really is a class act.

what happened?

@@angelabby2379 I’ve stopped watching, I don’t know what she’s doing now.

@@deboracopeland4795 in short she signed with Dave Gourmet. They gave her $120k in advanced royalty sales in hopes they will recoup that money. She blew all the money. Claims that DG has not paid her and forced her to sign a contract that was unfair. She also demanded that DG pay something like 80k for a Barbie themed birthday party for her. She went to IG and GoFundMe pleading for people to send her money.

@@angelabby2379 She ended up lying about Dave's Gormet paying her and ruining her deal because she was spending their advertizing money on a birthday party for herself and other sketch stuff.

Yeah she blew through like $160k in 10 months and then tried getting the Internet to attack the company. The company provided all proof showing how much of scam she was and then ended everything with "she so broke it's not enough worth suing her"

Even after DG helping pink sauce get properly on store shelves it didn't sell well because it wasn't any better than regular ranch sauce and more expensive, despite that they gave her 120K royalty which she wasted on nonsensical spending, now she's living on 20$ per day from her disabled mother and begging for money on the internet.

Yep she ruined herself. The scriptures tells us that "PRIDE COMES BEFORE THE FALL." She has no one to blame but herself.

​@@al-imranadore1182yep she to proud to go get a job and work. Foolish woman 🤦🏾.

I don't blame her after all the hate she received

@afraaomar4682 she was mailing out bottles of botulism and then giving major attitude to anyone who fairly called that out. She came off terrible in that ridiculous talk show appearance. She also had zero understanding of FDA guidelines, either. Like i said, all by her own doing.

I know right?

Agreed, it's great - but not at all surprising - to see her treat the subject completely fairly and objectively. Again, not surprised at all and really glad to see her go this deep and call out other channels like Food Theorists and the others who really sensationalized this.

​@Punkrock Noir what

Yes, while there was some initial problems, what some users claimed was unfair and damaging to her product. I personally wouldn’t buy anything like that, because I just can’t imagine using such a pink sauce on my food, lol. But that’s just personal preference. Ann ferreted out the possible truth, while some of the other “reviewers” could actually be sued for what they said and did. Bravo Ann!

@@ross-carlson and he call himself The Food Theorists when he can't even make a proper emulsion lmao

I'm just wondering why she didn't just tell people that it was a natural change from when it was fresh to when it finished settling? People got rightfully worried when she kept pretending that it wasn't changing color at first. You'd think she'd just explain things from the start.

@@FullMoonOctober yeah the internet known for being understanding.

@@jonathanbarnett7897 And paranoid. You don't give them a mystery and then reluctantly give a half explanation only after repeated questioning and expect people to let it go. They'll think you're covering something up.

The information that dragonfruit acts as a stable emulsifier along with the information that its colour fades in a few days really does seem to fit well with the ingredients list - assuming Chef Pii provided an accurate ingredients list, it sounds like these findings are consistent with that, and if that were all there were to it, I think it would mostly end there. HOWEVER.... We do know the label has some accuracy problems with the number of servings vs. the serving size, the nutritional information, spelling, and so on - Chef Pii (or someone in her employ) seems to have been LARPing as a nutritionist, and if these results are anything to go on, one can be forgiven for looking at the ingredients list with suspicion! And, given everything else we know about the Pink Sauce fiasco - the initial packaging/shipping disaster and professional concerns, for examples - I think we have a pretty good idea of why Chef Pii never seemed to take the time to explain that the colour shift was normal for dragonfruit: I'm going to assume that the product research and development, testing, QA, etc. was probably going to be as shoddy as the labeling, packaging, shipping, and so on, and Chef Pii was probably as surprised as anyone when the sauce didn't maintain its natural colouring. Handwaving that sort of thing as an "I'm not perfect" learning curve seems to be part of her SOP, and there seem to have bigger fish to fry in doing damage control and so on, so I could easily imagine that figuring out why the colour was inconsistent and explaining to her customers that it's normal was probably not high on her list of priorities. Those criticisms aside, along with the fact that there's no way I'm going to trust my life to a queasy pink mail-ordered food from a TikTokker, I am impressed that Chef Pii did at least seem to be responsive to complaints about the leaky and damaged packaging, seemed to deliver every order as faithfully as she could under the circumstances of her limited experience and expertise in this sort of thing, and provided refunds or replacements to customers when prompted - that's not the worst customer service I've ever heard of, and would probably put her ahead of the curve for Kickstarter reward fulfillment (for example, where Kickstarter reward fulfillment is notoriously spotty, especially toward the seedier side of the amateur contingent of that platform....)

@@FullMoonOctober I think it has something to do with her not doing her research and even knowing about this at all HAHA

Pink sauce becomes grey within it's expiry date.

I dont think the Chef Pii is smart enough to figure the emulsifying thing out herself. She didn't know what the FDA was.

@@XxRavenwishxX Lol, maybe not. But I still appreciate Ann's scientific approach, instead of just reacting for the sake of reacting or refusing to try anything new. Of course, we still do not know what is Chef Pii's actual recipe, but I did learn something new about emulsifier from this video.

@@petiteange08 she really is great!

​@@XxRavenwishxXyou don't really need to be smart can just be an accident

And I would suggest not buying from small businesses and their products as many cannot afford the exact measurements

@@114bleachfan if they can't afford exact precise measurements they should find a different small business idea that doesn't risk people's health Coming from someone who knows other small businesses owners including those working with foods. Its been fixed now since she's working with a company that can handle it, but she should've been responsible about it from the start. I am glad that she now is partnered and can conduct her business with correct labeling.

@@114bleachfan So diabetics should avoid small businesses instead of holding them accountable for putting dangerous misinformation on their products. That's what your comment is saying.

@@lunabelletheinsane I don't think that's what they're saying, I think they're just trying to give advice Yes businesses, big and small, should be held accountable for dangerous products, absolutely But sadly small businesses, especially really small 1 person ones, aren't as regulated and mistakes are more easily made, so the advice if you have health concerns is to avoid small businesses unless you're absolutely sure they're okay or at the very least consume at your own risk Yes, it sucks, no, it shouldn't be this way, but that's the reality and we all have to navigate it Doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable, just means you have to be careful

Diabetics are artifically kept alive by modern medicine- natural selection will come for them

Also Garlic works as an emulsifier. If you look at traditional Aioli, it doesn't contain egg or mustard.

That poor, brave man

I'm pretty sure it's "palate", unless Dan is sacrificing warehouse storage units No need to edit anything, just an FYI

his name is Dave

I think that was to be expected when he married a food scientist.

@@crazycrafts3414LOL i was thinking who the hell is dan?

Same, and for some reason I saw bits on the raw honey causing problems.

Yeah, I kinda wish she also touched on this issue - her video was otherwise stellar and very informative!

This needs to be higher up. I wish she had gone over these points

This. While her video was very informative I was waiting for her to address these points and its a bit disappointing she never did and I would’ve loved to see her talk about that in her video.

@@sasori2425 Well, the sauce bottles breaking were a poor packaging issue which was changed later. Even actual mayo is shipped in dry storage...

Yep thats the word. Internet MOM 👏

@@abigailyalew1304 totally agree

I honestly think we all hv messed up with the whole "pink sauce can cause botulism" claim, thought it was true but it may be a false claim. idk whether it is false, but this will be a lesson to not be a sheep and follow any news since in this age we can just spread false information very easily.

Only she could figure this mess out 😂

she is a MOTHER.

Pls go check out what Chef Pi has done. She created sooo much drama and even lied about Dave’s Gourmet not paying her and tricking ppl into giving her money. The only person creating drama is the pink sauce lady herself! Also the unsafe practices I don’t understand how anyone could act the way she did. If I was doing something wrong and my thousands of customers told me I would say sorry not whatever she did.

Yeah that guy was a class act. It's embarrassing when people try to use "I didn't intend to hurt you" as some kind of get-out-jail-free card!

@@celisewillis"I'm sorry if pretending your product killed me affected you in any way." Bruh, who _wouldn't_ be affected by thinking they killed someone?? Tf you on about? 🙄

even worse, the person wasn't from the FDA, it was like the florida agricultural department, the patch on their shirt looks just like it. My issue with her, is the blatent lying, and then her attacking that girl for just wanting it tested. The problem is Ann here is making a lot of guesses, educated guesses, but just guesses, but is passing them off as fact and using those guesses to absolve Chef Pii of guilt.

@@ExarchGaming I knew that there is something off about ann in this video

@@ExarchGaming Ann's guesses beat "i bet it has botulism in it because" or "clearly she used bottles of mayonnaise she found" which are laughable

@@Saurawr i mean that's fair, but it doesn't address the exploded and spoiled bottles that many many people reported, it also relies on her anecdotes. "I wasn't able to find x about y" Okay, that's not emperical at all though. Pii's lying, along with the spoiled bottles, and attacking that girl just for politely asking for answers and wanting to seek out her own. Ann is giving chef pii a pass on all of that.....because why now? She hasn't appropiately apologized to anyone.

@@Saurawr I'm pretty sure most of the botulism claims were due to the damaged shipments Pii was sending out. Even food that should be safe from Botulism can still be contaminated if the packaging gets damaged. You can tell if the packaging is swollen or bloated looking. The mayo bottle thing was dumb, but Botulism is a valid concern to have.

But the FDA doesn't approve food products, it approves food ingredients and additives. Heinz Ketchup isn't "FDA approved", nor does it need to be. High fructose corn syrup, red dye #5 (or whatever) are on a list of ingredients that may be used in foods.

@@MichaelOnines I know, I just thought it was funny the way she made it sound like the FDA only handles medical products. Like you'd hope someone claiming to be a chef and selling food products would know that!

@@MichaelOnines The history of Ketchup is also covered in controversy. Just history repeating itself. I, for one, will never eat the sauce bc of how the creator handled the drama. Safe or Toxic, I don't like the behavior of the person behind it.

@@lilpsyche6971 stay away from those deadly nightshades and I'm sure your humours will continue to be balanced. Maybe you should head over to Tasting History or Townsend's channel and make their authentic mushroom ketchup.

@@lilpsyche6971 It's funny because the pink sauce might be one of the very few kinds of ranch that WOULDN'T kill me. No egg :D

Chef Pii, aka Veronica Shaw, defamed Dave's Gourmet after they so kindly picked up her sauce, blew through ALL of her money, asked Dave's Gourmet for more, was told no, and then she claimed she "signed a terrible contract" , Dave's scammed her, and apparently didn't take that money and refund her unhappy customers. On top of that, Veronica is disliked due to her lack of ability to accept criticism. She's disliked for lying, deflecting, and not taking responsibility for selling a product that was improperly packaged and was molded and exploding, shipped in a plastic zipper bag with no refrigeration. Veronica also attacked Ellie because Veronica couldn't handle being called out for her bullshit.

@@thegayestgoth …ok

MatPat did a good job of showing why I unsubscribed to all his clickbat

Always remember, on the internet everyone is a doctor and a scientist.

@@facenameple4604 MatPat tends to have a real bad habit of going off onto some really wild and out there theories a lot of the time, while speaking with a level of absolute authority that he clearly doesn't have. Shame too because I did enjoy his videos at some point.

@@zombiTrout ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HdvpRQF0vw8.html Everyone's an expert! Must be nice. The first time this running joke was shown :) Whole clip is just top class.

@@facenameple4604 to be fair, he's trying to follow the 'recipe' based on the nutrition fact on the label, which like what Ann said are incorrect.

she cant recreate something she has no recipe for and is guessing as to the taste

@@Not_Always she did prove it theoretically works though, even if it isnt likely 1 to 1 recreated

Eh, I give props to MatPat for at least trying, but he isn't a cook so wouldn't know the special thing that would work..... (And the Tic Toc shows her just dumping stuff in without a care so...)

@@Not_Always the taste doesn't matter, what she was testing was will dragonflies stabilise an emulsion. Which it did, showing that pink sauce, regardless of taste, is possible with the listed ingredients.

@@asianboywonder2312 She proved that she can make pink ranch dressing?

But she has a horrible attitude and she hasn't gone far

I agree so hard I actually went to the Food Theorists video and gave "How to Cook That" a plug in the comments - along with a statement that their video had been pretty thoroughly debunked. I didn't go all out, though I think it's pretty trash they made a sweeping, fully alarmist claim akin to "Shit will straight kill you." Great stuff from a real trustworthy source.

True, he should be pushed to put more careful research in, though you have to remember his channel is ‘food THEORY’, it’s not meant to be seen as fact necessarily, cuz it’s you know, a theory.

I like his videos but he needs stick to fictional stuff.

@@thetiredworm2100 More like "Food *Conspiracy* Theory", amiright? Lawl. But yeah, I see where you're coming from - you're absolutely right, the base conceit is "it's just a theory". I just don't think it's always clear enough when he's theorizing rather than asserting sometimes and that can make it seem like he's stating a fact without reiterating "Hey, this isn't exactly the scientific method here". Maybe he shouldn't *have* to do that, but given the rise and spread of misinformation (and the possible real-world consequences associated with some topics - as in this case, there's an actual person attached to the product), it's just best practices to be very clear about the nature of the video's contents and the conclusions made therein.

@@gabby3036 Also true, I think people forget at times that the ‘theory’ part isn’t just a slogan 😅 if you don’t constantly repeat important info, it has a tendency to pass over peoples heads.

People have payed more for less. For example, my local pizza place charges $50 for pineapple pizza.

I agree but then again she isn’t a company which can buy product in bulk and at manufacturing prices. She’s just a tiktoker who made people sauces out of her own ingredients cause people were curious what it tasted like

​@@ariciaajames6501 she could buy in bulk at any point

@@HOTD108_ where do you get your pizzas?! 😂 Or just make it yourself, I make it once a month (cos pizza is a treat, not good for you rlly…) 😅

People will pay big money for novelty. Would I spend $20 for a BBQ sauce? Usually not, but if it had a food safe glow in the dark effect? Well I just might if I could plan it around Halloween, forth of July, or whatever else.

I was wondering is there any nutritional value in the dragon fruit powder or is it simply a coloring that works as an emollient. Would you happen to know by any chance? I'm thinking if it were more than just a coloring it would be very high in sugar. As whenever fruit is dehydrated you're left with a really high sugar content.

@@dixierae3442 A quick google shows it provides decent Vitamin C, Potassium and Magnesium, and a lot of fiber for 45 cal per tablespoon. You could do much worse.

@@CStarFlare OMG you bet I could do a whole lot worse. I'm not much of a eater so my nutrition really isn't what it should be. So anything that can go into a drink or a shake is good news to me. I can't believe I slipped up I consider myself the Google Queen I missed on that one. Haha I think I'm going to investigate some other f o r m s of nutrition coming in powder form. I never really got much into the Smoothie thing. But with that little bit of information it all of a sudden seems quite interesting. I'm a vegetarian so I have tried protein powders but they really wreak havoc on the belly. So I sort of put that type of shake thing on the back burner. Anyway thanks for the Christmas gift. Have a very happy one.

@@dixierae3442 Try beet powder. If you like wild cherry, you'll like the powder.

@@anakelly76512 honey I'm not a fan of wild cherry but I do like beets. I would be super into any type of vegetable powders. Can I get things like that. I eat these chips that are supposed to be healthy and it says they have vegetable powders on them and I'm wondering if that means because it's a powder rather than assault that I'm getting some nutrition. If I'm sounding a bit odd about eating it's because I have a condition that causes my jaw to lock so some chewing can be a problem.

That plus she's actually trained and credentialed to do her own research. 99% of the people who say, "Do your own research" are not.

she lays out all the facts and lets you make your own conclusions.

she's theorizing, she doesn't have the sauce, so she's guessing, without having the product in hand, ESPECIALLY those early orders when this all went down. Anne is lovely, but this isn't some objective test, she's coming up with plausibilities not confirmations.

Exactly, This is just my thoughts but, all Ann did was show that you can make a sauce with the ingredients on the bottle. She never tasted the og pink sauce like a lot of ppl. Now all Ann has to do is taste the og sauce and compare it to hers. If it tastes similar then we'll know for sure that the pink sauce is used only with the ingredients on the bottle. Or if someone else would like to make Ann version and compare to teh og sauce then that will be perfect. So basically Ann could have created a whole new recipe and Pii can easily take it and pretend she was making that all b4 since Ann's vid I'd out. So until someone makes a taste comparison with Ann's sauce and the og pink sauce, I'm still gonna think that something is still wrong with teh sauce. And considering Pii didn't know what FDA was, would she really know that dragon fruit Could be and emulsifier?

This channel is my comfort food for times when I realize the dimensions of the monster I unleashed by angrily dismissing people by telling them to do their own research. I have the statistics, analysis, research design, methodology and research-informed strategy implementation classes under my belt to know how ridiculous and insulting that was to say, but I said it anyway. See what I made? Yeah... I hate that about me too.😖

Added bonus! Everything will be pink now

@@CeeGeeFursuits a lot of other fruits are high in pectin!

If it's something sweet, a lot of vegan receipes use bananas. You can also try soy lecitin, which was also mentioned in the video and it maybe be better (tasteless probably, colorless, powdered so you can store it for longer).

It was also super interesting because I am allergic to Soya and avoid is as an emulsifier now im thinking about what I can do that was previously only available via eggs.

@@CeeGeeFursuits isn't dragon fruit flesh white tho

You don’t care about it, but you took time out of your day to comment about it. Hmmm, make it make sense

Sad part is her mistakes were all from a lack of business knowledge. The lies were all based on her product. Though chef Pii didn’t handle her rude and deceitful customer but it was well deserved regardless (and in my opinion) after that woman slandered her and I am surprised Ann didn’t acknowledge that after explaining how this woman slandered Piis product. The expectation for everyone on social media to be business savvy or mildly educated is a bit presumptuous. Like Ann said once the internet makes it mind up there is no truth to unbind the mess.

Indeed, and this is why random youtubers are great for entertainment but not for trustworthy information gathering in general. (Exceptions naturally apply, there are some who have actual professional knowledge or experience like Ann, but most youtubers aren't really qualified.)

@@kumaahito3927 It does depend on the field. For example history, especially armoured warfare, you've got great youtube channels like The Tank Museum and The chieftain, for Naval warfare you have Drachinfels, Medieval arms and armor you have Todd's Workshop (which I HIGHLY recommend watching his Arrows vs Armor 1 and 2 videos). I find it's usually history channels who have a *very* specific niche that they cover are worth watching. By contrast you had Mattpat do a 'Viking vs Samurai vs Knight' history video which got torn to shreds by basically anyone with any sort of historical knowledge by the sheer amount of faults it had in it. At first he just thought it was people being butthurt over the Knight losing but when more and more false claims got shown he then switched to "oh it had to be rushed because we were at a deadline...we didn't have time to do proper research". Here's the thing, with Game Theories, nobody can really 'fact check' you because they're gut feelings but when it comes to 'Historical theories' he can actively get checked because there is a wealth of knowledge out there and there ARE people who make a particular era of history their specialty. Since that point Mattpat has never done any video based on actual history again because he couldn't just bullshit his way out of it with the "It's just a Theory!" catchphrase.

I love watching 74 gear just for this reason. Lots of influencers spit out false information on airplanes just to get views. 74 gear is an actual pilot who debunks these with a neutral stance, similar to Ann but with air planes not food.

😅☠️

Exactly! How is that guy not being sued for harming her business with lies?

When Ann said a guy fabricated his death I thought it was a teenager, and then the video cuts to a grown ass man...

My best guess is that it was meant to be a joke video (how would he post the video to his TikTok if he was dead?), but ppl took it seriously & it went off the rails.

That's the expected behavior when people act like a social media platform exists just in a bubble.

😂😂😂😂

Gold

“Having a social media platform doesn’t give anyone the right to spread misinformation and lies.” I agree that *should* be true but Elon Musk has shown that it isn’t. He has officially opened Twitter to misinformation and lies.

I really can't believe how they don't even look sorry for spreading lies about the product. The nerve they have for saying "don't intend to harm your business" when the lies obviously did it

I doubt she's too cracked up about it. All the free publicity got her a deal with someone who will do all that math and safety stuff for her. Personally peeved? Sure, but wasting time and money on lawsuits against people who probably don't have assets enough to make it worth it? Nah.

@@apriliahussna4561 , I think the weird thing is they probably didn't, they just wanted the views on TikTok and thought it was funny; they just have no understanding of defamation law. I would have been sorely tempted to bring him to court, if I were her, even with the public apology, similar to how Taylor Swift sued her old manager for $1 and legal fees. It seems like an open and shut defamation case--the guy faked his death to draw controversy to a product--and it would be a clear opportunity to rescue the perception of safety of her product in view of the press.

@@apriliahussna4561 RIGHT? Omg I couldn't keep my sh*t together when the guy who faked his own death said: "I'm sorry if it hurt your business, that was totally not my intention" R U FOR REAL???????

Yes; and a pink lid would have to be carefully matched to the product, which takes money, time, and effort, not to mention a consistent product.

Yeah seems like she could sue that guy for libel or something. Completely ridiculous

@@ericp7522 if you're putting anything on social media or tik tok crazy things like this tends to happen. But either way, I don't think she should be selling foodstuff if she doesn't understand food saftey

I really hope things go well for her too!!! She is human.

I originally felt bad for the pink sauce lady, that is until she went on a talk show and proceeded to attack some girl who did an honest (not hateful) review of the sauce. It was the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen.

Really did her research for this one

Right, Anne did a great job as always. She was fair and objective and gave us the truth. As to the pink sauce lady, She doesn’t know basic food safety or what the FDA is, I’m not granting her the title of chef imo. She handle everything abysmally and I think that is what made this whole situation so much worse for her. She ruined her image by responding to the valid claims in a rude condescending manner. But that doesn’t mean she deserves all the hate and death threats, so while I don’t like her or support her brand based on her poor skills and bad attitude I appreciate Anne setting the record straight in a professional and fair manner. Hopefully Pii will learn and grow from all this.

She deserves no respect

@@KayKay-sz6yz there was a lawyer who did a video about the legal side of this as well, equally informative

@@aff77141 legal eagle?

Yeah, the recipe also uses garlic, which is emulsifier. I sometimes achieved emulsion with oil, garlic, honey and lemon juice.

But the sauces had different consistency and color. Therefore they likely had different ingredients. At the very least different ratios, so the label is pointless

@@rebel4466 exactly

I'd still never trust to purchase or consume this, after the blundered labels, shipping and lack of FDA certification, but at least Anne exposed that it was plausible to make with the ingredients listed and explained why it didn't kill people, but it still seems like just luck in Chef Ps behalf. But I don't think she had malace in mind

@@rebel4466 Anne posted in the video, the sauce started pink and then got lighter in color over a few days. It ended up more of an apricot color like we saw in the resulting bottles.

At 13:45 there is a pop-up that mentions the color change over time

Kinda like how apple cider vinegar changes color sitting on store shelves over time.

It's in the video Anzaia....

@@milkyoni not everyone watches the screen, people do other stuff while videos play. I didn't see it, was probably making a coffee. Someone timestamped where it was, that's enough.

what, funny enough, probably means that the new factory made product will be full of stabilizers and conservants to reduce oxidation and degradation of the chemicals that give it its color, so no more "all natural organic sauce".

As long as it’s clear he didn’t actually die it’s obviously a joke. Personally, I am not touching some internet lady’s homemade sauce shipped through the mail with a ten foot pole, and I don’t think anybody else should either.

@@derekeastman7771 sure do whatever but you can't say "I died from your product, didn't mean to affect your business tho" lmao that just doesn't make sense

@@derekeastman7771 Whether something was "obviously a joke" or not doesn't matter. The fact is, making such an outrageous false claim is malicious and illegal for a reason.

@@derekeastman7771 It's not a joke. He fabricated his death. And it was not obvious that he was a liar until he came forth with the truth about having lied. In the meantime, one imagines that he caused a great deal of distress for some. This woman got off to a bad start, and perhaps she did not conduct herself professionally, but if she gets the bugs ironed out and is connected with a reputable company, there is no health-related reason for anyone not to try her sauce. I don't like ranch, generally speaking, for example. That's the only reason I probably won't buy it. I'm not going to hold this shaky start against her forever, though. I'm hoping she gets her bearings and makes a success of it.

@derekeastman7771 I'm buying home made cheese from old ladies on the village streets. Haven't died yet, 10/10 would eat again

Is dragon fruit a high pectin fruit? I know fruits like raspberries are which is why you often only need the fruit + iirc near its weight in sugar to make a stable jam? Would be interesting to see if you can do similar with dragon fruit. Edit: just watched someone do exactly that. Though they added a squeeze of lemon to help the process and the taste too.

Pectins don't have any highly lipophilic parts as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). So it'd be more accurate to say they're stabilisers rather than emulsifiers.

@@felixmoore6781 Ah thank you! I think I meant stabilizer :)

wait how did u wrote this comment 16h ago? the video was posted only minutes ago

@@kaixart2222 patrons

@@potARTo I was thinking time travel, thanks for bursting that bubble hahaha

@@kaixart2222 Well, I do drive a T.A.R.D.I.S. so time travel is possible. But, I am a Patreon supporter. So I get early access

Was gonna type the same! Your videos are great!

IKR like I get everyone saying Ann is being nice and unbiased (that’s true but she did forget to include the unsafe packaging conditions which is very import) are going to be in for a big surprise when they see the interview of Pii just attacking someone who was being just as nice as Ann! She doesn’t deserve this nice review tbh

Yeah that was so stupid. Probably just cause she's black too. Customer is always right. You don't go complaining to your customers telling them that they're a load of bs and telling them they're wrong. She's unprofessional and her "business" deserves to sink to the bottom of the ocean

That talk show is shittier than an exploded bottle of pink sauce

@@MayorMcheese12 Well I agree she is not great person or at least how she handled it was not great but I don’t see how her being black has to do with anything? Idk I swear ppl make everything about race even when it isn’t mentioned at all.

@@RaspBerryPies that's just how things are nowadays

Because the girl is white and white racism is encouraged now a days.

The first 2 issues you named are subjected! She handled herself with Grace and the food industry SUCKS! The pink sauce is safer than most CRAP on the market.

@@socalbarbie1040 How is knowledge about food safety in any way subjective? There are regulations and laws. You have to have the knowledge to follow them. They are there for consumer safety.

@@socalbarbie1040 if you think that real criticism she received was handled gracefully and that food safety regulations based on actual science is subjective, that's a you problem. If she had just accepted that she made mistakes and said she would correct them the backlash would not have been that massive. But she literally refused to admit that she had done something wrong or harmful at first.

Yup, I'll NEVER BUY THIS SHIT! SHES AN IMMATURE POS

Truer than true, sadly

Her biggest mistake was not creating and developing a branding and business plan before putting out a product. Anything can be rushed if you have a solid plan but it is apparent she didn’t have that. You would think the first thing thoroughly detailed would be the nutrition label after creating a product. That alone wasn’t an issue with rushing but rather organization and documentation.

I actually see this all the time, but not in foodーit's extremely prevalent in the art & writing communities, especially webcomics I find. I've even done it. People make something, mention it once kind of offhand, & then get overwhelmed by the feeling of "MUST POST! NEED VALIDATION!" when someone shows interest & end up crashing & burning when they dive in head first. I've seen it so many times, I actually have a script as to how to apologize for doing this as someone with ADHD xD that was Chef Pi's mistake. She just kept doubling down instead of taking a step back, looking at the situation, & saying "sorry guys, this is going on hiatus until I have things sorted! everyone who's order was messed up, email me & you'll get a refund" before settling down to make an actual plan like a mature adult. Her Pink Sauce would've actually gone places if she hadn't've been such a huge bitch to her customers. She didn't dig her own grave by label fuck upsーthat was done when she doubled down on her dishonesty & started attacking people for reasonable concerns.

@@theinvisiblewoman5709 and then her her attacking people who had genuine concerns over the safety of the product, or anyone who didn't like it🤦‍♂️🤮

@@patheticmortal373 yeah like I said she handled the business part the professionalism poorly. She also fixed her mistakes and Ann Reardon just confirmed nearly any of the safety concerns were valid.

@@theinvisiblewoman5709 "fixed her mistakes". She released an untested perishable product to market. Even with appropriate packaging that wasn't acceptable. You don't see a big wig at Heinz mixing up a batch of sauce in their kitchen, packaging it in a bottle without full analysis and sampling, to then send it off to market. Their sauces are analysed, sampled, batch tested, tested for degradation. "Chef" Pii did non of that. That's not "handled poorly", that's illegal.

I think everything is gonna sound dramatic if you have to summarize it in 1 min or less, I think that’s one of the main issues here. The creators also have to beat the algorithm so it also has to be very attention-grabbing so drama is also necessary to remain relevant. Basically, you’re correct in saying that Tik Tok is a very bad source of information unless the person making the video is a professional and even that’s not a guarantee the info is good since, again, any video can be only a min tops and has to be attention-grabbing enough to pop up on enough people’s For You page.

Sounds like she compromised to make a product that doesn't deteriorate. Probably a good idea, hope she doesn't get blasted for it.

I was just reading through the recipe on Ann's website and she said that it fades over the course of a few days into more of an apricot color, which looks like it might be closer to what Dave's is selling. (On my phone, it looks like it's a slightly pinker version of thousand island dressing, so close to an apricot color.) Maybe that's the issue? It seems to me if you want the hot pink ranch you'd be better off just using Ann's recipe and making it fresh in small batches to use up before the color starts to fade, rather than purchasing the already-faded store version that defeats the purpose.

Ann notes in the video that over time, the dragon fruit becomes more orange coloured instead of pink

@@SailorDonut I feel like the color fade was also probably the reason for the different colored sauces in the two videos!

Had to look it up and they're currently out of stock. After all that's happened its amazing that she was able to bounce back.

I wouldn't. She WAS shilling for Kamikoto knives recently...an obvious and clear scam.

@@morkusmorkus6040 Do you know where this happened? As in which video?

love the Moriah Elizabeth pfp. But yes, thats true. Especially in "Food hacks"

@@infiniteoaths look at the videos that are around 4th of November. I commented about the knifes. They are indeed a scam and hide it with vague language

@@morkusmorkus6040 6 months ago, people were taking them as sponsors. They didn’t know it was a scam because it wasn’t revealed yet. Also Ann could’ve not come across the news.

It really made me think why MattPatt is making "Food Theorist" channel where he had no culinary expertise at all.

I completely agree with this

@@BiBiren because of Money. Video Game related content has Generally a Bad CPM compared to food or crafts Videos.

@@BiBiren I actually think his lack of expertise helps generate content on that front. Him being someone with an "average" level of culinary knowledge means the kinds of questions he'd have about food are more likely to be along the lines of the ones his viewers would have. Those kinds of questions may not even occur to a professional in the culinary field, because there'd be that disconnect between what the average person knows and what they _think_ the average person knows. Anyways, at the end of the day, Food Theory is not a food channel, it's an entertainment channel, and should be treated as such.

I'd seen things for it for a while. I admit that i'd hopped on the bandwagon of being against her since i started by seeing the news from the time of her reacting poorly. For instance, i saw her label that was wrong, heard that she'd both said the color hadn't changed and that she'd changed the color, heard her say "what do you mean fda approved, it's not a medical product", and some other iffy things on her part. And because i'd seen multiple lies or negligence on her part, it was easy to think that she had done other lies or negligence. I still don't trust her, even more so following the video she filmed of herself having a supposed fda officer show up at her home (which sounds unlike anything i know the fda to do), and the questions felt off and she was allowed to film it (i don't know the privacy laws of her state and whether you need 2 party consent or just 1), and she even had a sparkle filter on her (tbf, i don't know if it was a video she'd already started and was interrupted by the doorbell). BUT! Having someone like ann who has more knowledge on the food portion of the topic and level headedness actually go through explaining her thought process on the statements going around is a much better starting point.

@@catelynh1020 I think "being against her" is perfectly fine! I think her sketchy moves are perfectly worth deeming too much for people specially considering she's selling a product made to be consumed where your implicit trust towards the manufacturer is important. The important part is that yeah, the structures of social media don't insentivize people to make a video saying "She lied about this but this other thing is a really big assumption we don't have solid evidence for". That's incredibly boring and not share-worthy. On the other hand people who jump to conclusions get more clickable videos out quicker and those get transmitted further out until noone knows what the source is but the information has been repeated so many times you have to just assume it's true because why would people be faking their death over it if they stand to gain nothing from it?

@@juannot1353 Well, it's more that my distrust and distaste resulting from the early news i saw about it made me less likely to find favorable things about her. I'd made my mind up that she was bad, so her product must also be bad, full stop. If that makes sense. Like, if i'd seen this video first, i would have been more amicable to the product while still not wanting to touch it with a 10ft pole and still think maybe she wasn't a very good businesswoman but wasn't *that* bad. And after i saw the other ones i'd think she was bad, but i would have had a better starting point. Although you're totally correct in that social media twists the story from boring truth to exciting lies with the internet wide game of telephone for clicks.

Since she has been signed with a large food company, all tests will have to be done for safety of consumers.

I also have never heard of Pink Sauce or this controversy until Ann went over it. Thankfully, I also have no intentions to eat this, both because garlic makes me ill and it brings back too many memories of the colored ketchup (that was so, so nasty). LOL

Same

Yeahhh. I worked for a lady who sold cookies out of her home... it was a converted garage into a super professional kitchen. Nobody should be selling food out of their kitchen except tamales lady.

@@kartos. very true

Yes precisely, I don't get how you can't be like "I'm gonna release a food product without a single approval from food safety" the fact she's not an official chef either gives me the impression she doesn't even have a food handlers permit on her, I'd still not eat the pink sauce unless I made it myself

That and she calls herself a chef with no actual culinary schooling to back it up.

Well OK but it's still unfair to claim she's lying about the ingredients or saying the sauce is dangerous.

I agree 100%

@@Qrtuop Ann just proved that the nutritional information is *completely* inaccurate. How can you trust the ingredients if the nutritional label is wrong?

@@Qrtuopone thing Ann did not talk about is the concerns of the initial pink sauce showing up to people’s homes swollen in the bottle and displaying signs of being rotten. Just because no one came out saying they were sick after eating the sauce does not mean it did not have the capability of causing illness. We all have an innate response to rotten foods, deterring us from consuming foods that smells off. So just because everyone was smart enough to not force themselves to eat sauce that has gone off, doesn’t mean it is safe. Even the consistency of the sauce done by Ann is not the same as the initial sauce Pii was sending off.

People commenting “She didn’t know what the FDA stood for” just broadcast their own ignorance. The FDA does not and ever has approved any kind of food product for market.

She impacted her own business. She endangered customers and then attacked people who raised valid concerns.

Well glitter in sauce bottle was a valid complaint.

This comment didn’t age well.

Same!!! I was flabbergasted!!

*pitahaya Pitayas are round and spiky with green skin rather than scaley, egg shaped with bright pink skin

@@eddie-roo it's spelled "pitaya" on the ingredient list so that's why I spelled it that way. I didn't know there was a difference between pitaya and pitahaya! I thought they were just different words for the same thing.

Yes! And we have white pitaya, só no need for the pink color

@@eddie-roo in Brazil they are ALL called pitaya. Maybe is a diferent language kind of thing

same here, i genuinely thought that was true before i saw this video

I mean people did get sick from eating Pii's sauce.

Yes, I only heard about it because of the weird original label with made-up numbers.

@@WhereAllYourDeletedCommentsGo They didn't happen to come down with a case of ligma, did they?

@@15oClock wtf?

If pink sauce looses it's pink colour her label becomes inevitably incorrect.

I’d support that law!

You have my vote 🙃

A HUGE AGREE

YES!

I agree 😜

That’s exactly my point of view just from an outsider viewing the entire thing.. if her attitude was better, I think it would’ve gone over alot better. But seeing how she so badly mistreated the girl she was on a talk show with, I’m like nope.

And I think her reaction to customerz have a lot to do with people Pilling on her, it's hard to have thousands of people sending you hate, she could have dealt with it better but also a lot worse.

@@bluester7177 Except she and everyone on that talk show ended up gaslighting that customer. Two wrongs don't really make a right.

@@julieb3907 definitely! After I saw the interview I was in awe of how gracefully the customer handled the situation. It all could’ve been avoided but what’s done is done and now she’s getting what she wanted anyways. Whether that’s a good or bad thing... only time will tell.

agreed. from Pii's perspective Allie was one more person making unfounded claims but was getting a ton of attention for it and willing to accept a TV appearance. If I were in Pii's position it would feel like this person was building rep based on attacking my character, I don't blame her for shutting Allie down right out of the gate

Same! My husband makes "herring under a fur coat" and the top portion always comes out that color due to the beets and mayo. ❤️

Was gonna say: beet juice is practically fluorescent it's so pink. It's a really easy natural food colouring.

The use of beetroot was my first assumption.

@@TribulationsSolomine too. I thought she had just added beetroot to bought ranch dressing to be honest.

That and natural coloring will be different. Tired of "I want all natural!/EWWW ITS NOT UNIFORM!"

Honestly her ignorance is what scares me the most particularly in regards to her not knowing what the FDA is. If her product didn’t blow up on social media I probably wouldn’t bat an eye towards her sauce since people sell food online all the time without FDA involvement (not saying that’s a good thing but it’s common). However, in this case, the product has garnered popularity to the extent that the FDA SHOULD be involved. Hopefully she fixes the nutrition labeling and gets her product FDA approved if she hasn’t already.

@@hhasnohope8488 yep her scam got called out so she had to deliver a real product.

I hope that she will work on herself a little more, get educated and come back with an improved product and professional approach

When she went on that talk show and yelled at & blamed an innocent unhappy customer the entire time, I knew she was an awful person 😂

Exactly, It’s the way she handled it that made everyone freak out. Advertisement and reputation are so important for a business, and if you’re not careful you can easily scare your customers away. I think she learned that the hard way.

Yeah, for me it looked like polish chłodnik.

@@veridarkpotat5310 In Switzerland, the biggest grocery chains sell a raspberry drink that is very pink. It's died with beetroot juice concentrate. You can mix something up that has a similar taste using just raspberry syrup and milk, but it looks really gray.

@@camelopardalis84 yes, powdered beets are used in food coloring (my favorite is strawberry yoghurt) and they can be purchased in spice shops

@@zljmbo Interesting. Would never really have considered the possibility of something being purchasable by the public, but why shouldn't it be?

@@zljmbo I meant "something like that". :)