For the G43, a Tulster IWB holster with a claw. Mag carrier is some random no-brand thing from Amazon. For the G19 a Mckinatec Talon with a replacement belt clip, and a G-Code kydex mag carrier.
@@tfbtv Excellent video sir. Another big argument is that you cannot defend your weapon when it’s behind you. Appendix carry makes the weapons very easy to defend
@BigRedRidingBear i always prefer Tier 1 Concealed's Axis slim. My main issue with the sidecar is that the middle between the firearm and the magazine carrier is too rigid and the Tier 1 has a flexible polymer between the carrier and the holster.
I'm Canadian, we carry our handguns in the trunk of our car in a box where you have to defeat 2 locks. So far never shot my pee pee or butt cheek. Criminals are nice here, so they give you a 30sec head start 9/10 times.
And don't forget about the separate ammo box. We'll need time to get to that too, because keeping your ammo and your gun together would be way too convenient.
I've always carried appendix, and that's over 40 years now. Never even came close to accidents, and I have competed for many years. I am still very conscious and careful when reholstering but I don't understand the emphasis on the danger when doing that. Drawing needs to be done quickly but what's the rush with reholstering? Do it like your balls or your femoral arteries depend on it. 'Cause they do.
@@AllAhabNoMoby my comment makes an inference about appendix carriers are like blackhawk serpa holster haters. Everyone says that they are both dangerous but that isn't the case. Have there been negligent discharges for appendix carriers? Sure but I'm pretty sure it's a minority. Have there been negligent discharges with Serpa holsters? Sure and see the previous response. I've carried and used a serpa level 3 holster for going on 7 years now... still haven't shot myself because i was trained in its proper usage. You don't push the button with the fingertip, you push the button with your finger extended along the frame of the holster. When done correctly, as I've done hundreds of times, the finger falls along the frame of the pistol, not in the trigger like some claim. The only problem with the serpa I'll agree with is if debris gets in the rentention mechanism, it will lock the pistol in the holster and prevent it from being drawn. I am in the process of switching to a t-series holster just for that reason alone.
@@purschannel1155 Eh, I also don’t like the Serpa holsters because the mechanism itself is pretty prone to messing up. I mean there is also the matter of the retention button being where it is, just saying, there’s a reason it’s banned as a holster in a lot of classes/ranges
Make fun of you young man, NOT! Never to old to learn from younger or older. Remember, the day you stop learning is the day you die. Nice video, and thanks God Bless
This is solid advice. I listen to everyone even if l think theyre stupid or somebody tells me not to. You never know whos going to give you a very useful bit of information.
I can't carry appendix. Its not because I believe any of these myths or think strong side is better. It's because I am fat as hell and my holster literally won't fit in that position
I'm with you dude. I can't as I've had several abdomen surgeries and appendix carry digs into my scar tissue. Tried several different holsters and had no luck
Same body type here BUT, there is a channel on You Tube that shows appendix carry for fat guys! Search and take a long look here or Black Diamond. Both are great channels. God Bless
Good video. I'm 61, been carrying virtually continually since age 18, and carried appendix for the vast majority of that time. I was seriously injured in 2012 with permanent damage to my spine resulting in a large weight gain. My large belly now makes appendix carry an uncomfortable proposition. During my early years of carry I admit that reholstering was a touchy proposition and for two reasons. First there was no Kydex or truly rigid holsters. One had to find the stiffest leather holster one could find and it would still collapse after the weapon was drawn. To reholster, great deliberation and two hands were required. Second, there were no appendix carry holsters on the market. One had to locate a custom leather worker (custom holster makers were practically non-existent) or half-ass modify a commercial holster designed for strong side carry. Either option addressed the shortage. Nowadays there are appendix holsters on the market and here are custom and semi-custom holster makers everywhere. As to all of the other "myths" against appendix carry, they are in fact just that, arguments put forth by those too unskilled to utilize appendix carry, and too lazy to acquire the needed skills. The host of the video did a workmanlike job addressing those myths. Enough said.
Honestly, I take a lot for granted, being able to buy online virtually anything I could possibly want or need and have it shipped to my house within a few days. We're so fortunate. It would be hard to even fathom our luxuries for most humans throughout history. We Americans all live in so much convenience and comfort, even the poor live better than kings and queens of old with our air conditioning, refrigerators, washing machines, phones, cars, TVs, etc. But try to tell that to the ungrateful delusional socialists.
@@solitudessilentgroove: You are so correct. I consider myself young by absolute standards and I grew up with no microwave oven, dishwasher, cell phone, air conditioner, etc. Only four semi-auto pistols were readily available and two of them were junk. I remember watching Super Bowl I with my alcoholic father on a little black and white TV with an outside antenna while drinking Falstaff beer out of quart bottles (where I’m from the thought of allowing youngsters to imbibe was normal). When you started a car you had to pull out the choke, then pump the accelerator while turning the ignition key, then let it warm up for 15 or so minutes before you could drive it. We’ve progressed a lot since then, and now a mob of entitlement minded half-wits are going to vote us back into the Stone Age.
@@solitudessilentgroove Don't know your beliefs but as for me, as soon as I wake up, I thank God for another morning...every day.They ain't promised, by Him or anyone else.
I hated appendix carry for a long time. Then I tried it for a week. 365 + great appendix holster = gun is forgotten about till I crawl in bed. I work construction too. My gun and I go in and out of attics/crawl spaces. Move and lift heavy shit. Hang ductwork and run gas line. All possible because of appendix carry and a 365
I wish I could do that in Ca. Many of us wish we could. We can do that at home, or live in the woods only and even then it’s hit or miss whether the officer is anti gun or pro gun. I envy you brother. Someday for us too hopefully.
Same boat here, I carry a 365 up and down ladders all day. Bending and carrying ductwork all the time too. It stays concealed and it's never gotten in my way.
Great low round count cold drill. I like to start solo cold drills with carry ammo...the ammo I was carrying for the first few rounds. Confidence booster and low risk bug check. Carried open and concealed professionally since the 80's and agree with you absolutely. Done the ankle thing, 3 and 4 o'clock...even a short-lived shoulder holster (hated)...appendix works. Perfect? No, better than the others...imho, yes. You made the case expertly.
I drove from Louisville, Ky to Atlanta during a road trip to visit family with a CZ P01 in an appendix holster. When people tell me you can't drive with appendix carry I just say, "Ok."
I just left kenosha Wisconsin to visit family in Charlotte carolina. That’s 14 hours of my G26 in my appendix in a Trex Arms Raptor and their gun belt. Just remember to lift your waist band up anytime you sit down for extra comport and support.
I never tried appendix carry until last week because I felt that I was to big around the mid section. I carried at 3:30/4 o’clockish and was driving with my wife in her vehicle and like you said if I had to draw down and with the seats hugging me tight I would probably never get to defend my wife and I in time. So I made an appendix leather holster and started carrying appendix and really like carrying appendix. I use the 1.75 Kore belt, which I highly recommend for a gun belt, and my mid section actually hides the weapon pretty good. With the Kore belt I can release tension when sitting or in a vehicle! I’ve since ordered a Kydex holster to try for better and safer re-holster. Awesome video! Thanks!
IMO/E, it's the cold drills that give the most accurate measure of what your "react to a threat, RIGHT NOW' speed is. It's a valid metric in knowing what needs work. Thanks, Hop.
I believe that the concealed draw is far easier to interpret as a handgun draw and not something else such as reaching for a wallet because we are programmed to believe this is what drawing a gun will look like. With an appendix draw, which we rarely see in movies or tv, it may not immediately look like a threat. It’s an odd movement pattern and will require longer to process.
I'm over 60, been EDC for many years. Tried all positions of carry except ankle. Appendix carry is really the only all around way to carry concealed. Oh and I still got all my junk. 😉
Thank you for this...I've been carrying appendix for decades. I've been ridden for it for decades. Carried this way on deployment overseas and needed to draw many times. Never a problem. Only thing that ever concerned me was perhaps more difficult to access my weapon if knocked down in a fight and someone managed to get me into a mount position for a ground and pound. I am highly aware of this and keep it in mind as a potential weakness. However, everything you said I agree with. I carry this way, train hard this way, remain aware of a few potential disadvantages and build that into my training. As my profile pick indicates, I also don't have a gut to deal with impeding my draw, carry, or comfort. Well done sir, and thanks.
Nice video, very well spoken. The only really valid reasons, it seems, for avoiding appendix carry are: 1. You have a large pistol and don't want to buy a micro; 2 your dress code will not allow untucked shirts. I have to tuck my shirt, so my cover garment has to be a suit coat. At that point, it is just easier to do strong side, as the coat will always cover the pistol. Or, just don't like it, which is also valid.
"1. You have a large pistol and don't want to buy a micro; " One of the most commonly stated advantages of appendix is that it conceals bigger guns better than any other position does.
@@KaBar41 unless you’re using a belly band, how do you sit? I tried appendix with a full size 1911 (cause that’s what I have) and just couldn’t make it work.
Whenever I carry anywhere other than appendix I can't shake the feeling that I'm printing because I can't see what is or isn't showing. I'm at about 2 o'clock. Yeah, I have a weird body....but it works for me.
I’m about 5’8” and 170 lbs. Because I’m a college student, my only pistol is an SD9VE, and I can say without a doubt, if I carry anywhere other than appendix, I might as well be telling everybody I walk up to that I have a gun on me, unless I wear like overly baggy clothes. But I prefer appendix carry anyway.
Man, what holster/setup are you using? Same exact situation. College student, 5’7” tall, 168lbs. Just got my carry license and weapon about 3 months ago, and I’m not sure if my build will work well with appendix or not. Like you said though, anywhere else will print pretty badly. Considering the belly band thing for school, but feel like appendix might be the better option.
You make a lot of really good points. I like the fact that you can look down and see the holster to make sure everything is correct before holstering. That's a big benefit.
I’m older and was brought up strong side carry. I do at times venture into the appendix world to try it out. I like it and find it great when I’m up walking. I’m still trying to get used to used to it sitting down and in the car. I’m a work in progress.
Great job Hop! I carry appendix in the spring, summer and most of fall. When winter hits, I carry cross draw in a belly band worn just a bit lower than a shoulder rig would. It's far easier to reach inside of a winter jacket than it is to try to pull it up the bulk of the jacket for appendix. But that's just me.
Interesting vid and I’m impressed with the physical coordination shown. It belies a fair amount of practice. I maintain the er rumour that a certain member of the tfbtv team has a unique way of carrying in the six O’clock position.
I find 6 o'clock to be the most comfortable. I can easily draw with my left or right hand better than any other position. I like that the muzzle never crosses my body on the draw. The only downside is printing while bending over, and a slower draw, especially if you're seated.
I see what you did there😂 I always use my safety though, finger off the trigger until I am ready to fire. Thankfully, my appendix carry firearm is the one gun (out of the 2 mentioned) that I have complete ‘trigger control’ with😉
Kydex holsters are removed and replaced so easily that I don't understand why you wouldn't just take the holster off, holster the gun in a safe Direction, and then replace the entire unit back onto your belt. This literally solves all safety concerns of appendix carry. While you may need to draw your firearm in a hurry, I can't imagine too many scenarios where you will need to re holster your firearm in such a hurry that you couldn't do it this way.
I agree with taking out the holster completely, and then putting it back in with the handgun already secured. Can't be too safe if you're reholstering your handgun.
Awesome video and a compliment. I have alot of favorite channels and subscribe to multiples. Hop's delivery is by far the best. To the point, no BS and his vocal delivery is top notch. Great job bud!
Great video Hop! I like that you added always look your weapon into the holster when carrying appendix. It goes against most law enforcement training in that you should never take your eyes off potential threats, but iwb carry is a different animal. I prefer hammer fired DA/SA pistols for appendix carry. CZ P07, but I do carry striker fired pistols appendix as well. When I carry my Hellcat I remove the holster from my belt (single clip design) reholster and then put it back in my waistband. Not efficient, but better than a 150 grain pill poking a hole in my famoral artery.
I’ve tried it all. I feel more confident with my appendix tear 1 rig and having my eyes on my pistol all day. I like to know if someone’s coming for me, my Pistol is already in the direction I’m looking, When my AR is Slung around me it is also on my chest. So yea appendix is my favorite.
I’ve even done a shoulder holster🤦🏻♂️lol no dice lol but I still use it for when I’m out and about in the woods or trail riding,but as for CC it’s appendix for me as well
@@rifles_up2263 was just going to say what Brandon said. Great for outdoors with a unbuttoned shirt to cover your pistol. Boating, camping, gathering wood, etc really helps.
Been appendix carrying for a long time, but I carry revolvers. I find the Crossbreed "Freedom Carry" holster works very well for me. It's not for everyone. If you are overweight or have a gut you'll probably not enjoy carrying in this position. But if you're in shape you'll find it feels pretty natural and gives you a lot of control in the standing position.
This is pretty great, appendix carry actually looks alot mor comfortable to me than strong side. Of course, nothing beats shoulder carry in terms of raw concealment.
The seat bolster depends on the car, obviously. All of my vehicles over the past 10 years have been comfortable with a pistol at 3 o'clock. That said I think you can certainly draw from appendix while seated, and in many cases if just in a chair it's easier and move convenient (especially if the chair doesn't have a solid back).
5:10 and 5:49 To me #3 and #2 are totally and 100% true. I started concealed carry some 20 years ago. After learning from other people and experimenting myself, I found AIWB the best IWB carry method for me. I like the total control of the weapon right under my eyes. It's comfortable until I tried to sit down. Since the belt goes over the gun, when you try to sit (bending your hit joint), the belly is like trying to bend the gun right around the point where the belt is. As the gun is made of steel, it doesn't bend of course, so it's your belly "meat" gets bent around the gun. The longer the barrel , and the lower you sit (such as in a car), the worse the torture :)
I liked this one better, much more than the Appendix carry masterbation session last video... This time you really laid out the cons as well as the pros which is great.
Good points. I am not a fan of appendix only because of my more round shape. Losing weight though! Sixteens pounds and going strong! Maybe eventually I can adopt appendix.
Nice video ! I like app carry also. Took a little time to carry hot there. Great points about seeing what you're doing reholstering and no need to hurry 👍🏻😁
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If you are new to carrying appendix or are new to carrying a pistol in general - you must be 100% when it comes to trigger discipline. There's no room for mistakes. Great video!
I had my 365 go off against my thigh in a soft holster while i was appendix carrying i was wearing a harness with brass grommets that shattered the hollow point and kept it from going through my thigh
First, I appreciate the nod to A Christmas Story with myth number one. Second, I always appreciate learning a new drill. Can't wait to try the decelerate drill next time I go to the range.
I carry IWB at about 4 because having the holstered pistol in that location is comfortable. I'm a bit chunky (250) and just don't find appendix carry to be comfortable. I wear my pants actually on my waist, not like the guys wear them low so the belly can hang over their belt. I've lost 37 pounds over the last two years, so I may give AIWB a try, again, in the next few months.
All joking aside just don’t try to undo your belt. The weight of the gun wants to pull your pants down either way. Just fish it out through the zipper and it’s all good.
@@pirththee either way if you have to sit down it shouldn’t make a difference. Even though I can stand up for most instances in the bathroom I will have to sit down from time to time. Just leave it attached to your belt and lay it into your pants as your pulling them down. Always leave your gun in the holster and on your person. Whatever you gotta do always do those 2 things unless you are using it in self defense obviously.
I have always carried appendix it’s just what feels natural to me the only time it becomes a little bit difficult for me is when I’m wearing my plate carrier it causes me to have to lean back a little to create a gap between my plate carrier and my gun to draw but it’s not a problem even really it’s something very easy to work around
Those seat bolsters you mention can also push a strong-side-carried sidearm OUT OF THE HOLSTER if you use something like a Crossbreed that leaves the front of the slide exposed.
Thanks for telling me that it’s a myth that I think carrying at 4-5 o’clock is VASTLY more comfortable both in a car and while bending over. Clearly, my brain is just messed up. Now that I know it’s a myth, I guess I will love appendix now. Seriously though, I carry both ways depending on the level of concealment I need. Appendix for ultimate concealment. Back for comfort. Everyone can tell me I’m wrong all they want. They can suck it.
That felt more like "top 5 reasons not to carry strong side." I am new to gun ownership and have noticed that people have some serious feelings about carry position. I rarely hear carry where it makes sense to you. I think the shooting yourself risk has to be considered. USCCA has a video that shows a guy holstering AIWB and then squatting down to pick something up with his Glock going off and shooting him. Strangely they don't give any specific explanation, just speculation as to why. But I do think that you gave an excellent tip to swipe your hand and check that nothing entered the trigger guard that probably would have prevented the incident I mentioned. Thanks for sharing!
Good drill to practice unloaded many, many times before risking the junk on a fumbled draw or re-holster. Unless, of course, the goal is to "transition" from M to F at the range.
Honestly, it really depends on the gun. For a full sized with a 1911 or my Berretta 92, appendix doesn't work. The officers ACP does, but really isn't that comfortable for me. Of course I did just pick up a Hellcat and am experimenting on where I want to have the thing since it is the first micro I own. And FWIW, on your point #1, if your worried about that you probably should not be carrying a gun.
I like your channel and I especially like when you get on. I think you have a good personality and a good presentation. I'm happy you did this video because I think about this often. I can see why someone would carry appendix, I actually would. However, what stops me is my background in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I've been into martial arts since I was 20 and now I'm 46. I wont carry appendix because when I fight empty hands (I am also a correction officer) I cant move around as good if I was trying to box an opponent. And if I was trying to take an opponent down to the ground carrying appendix gets in the way. Once i get ontop of someone who is on their back I'm still not comfortable preforming jiu-jitsu. Also being on the ground with someone carrying appendix makes my gun closer to the opponent. So for it comes down to comfort ability. I do need to say that I use a Safariland ALS Holster outside of the waistband in my private life. I've been a CCW permit owner for 15 years and inside the waistband has never felt good for me. I live in Ohio so for 9 months out of the year I can conceivably get away with wearing a sweatshirt or jacket. When doing so I carry a Glock 19. However during the months when it is too hot I carry OWB with a Glock 43. There obviously is printing issues but I put that aside for comfort and retention. Hope this made sense, thanks.
As a guy who wears a 30/30 pant and dose not want to look like some "special" designer T wearing snowflake, appendix is the best way for me to conceal and not have people tell me, "Your printing" or "Please leave the store, Sir." It has happened several times in the past. And I don't wear skin tight shirts. Unless I am wearing a jacket, which I do maybe two months out of the year, I simply cannot conceal at the 4 o'clock.
i like my shoulder holder and belly holsters, im a small framed guy but those both hide my gun and are comfortable to wear; as well as of course my gun is easy and can be discreetly drawn from my 2 o'clock and 3 o'clock at my upper hip or under arm at the lower ribs, plus it can easily look like im simply crossing my arms in either a relax position, or as gesture of annoyance, or just look like im casually reaching to scratch an itch etc. plus its pretty much out of the way when nature calls for those bathroom breaks.
My poly frame .45 has a manual safety, can be left on or off according to your appendix carry confidence. A good way to build confidence, too, initially. Kydex holster from On Your Six. Same holster brand for the Shield nine has a claw, even more concealable. Appendix carry for me.
The only time I ever noticed a guy printing was when he was carrying appendix. Printing is illegal in my state so I went up to him and was like "yo put a thicker shirt on" he understood and thanked me. I'm 90% sure he was a cop just from looking at him.
I use the enigma and can climb, bend over, do yoga, and whatever else in appendix. It’s way more accessible in a car than strong side too. I agree with your take!
I don’t dismiss anyone who appendix carries. I’ve tried it several times, with multiple rigs and multiple guns. Just not comfortable for me as much as I can see the added benefits. Got to carry how you’re comfortable. Great vid though! 😉👍
Hop, I appreciate you, dude. You're that bland-ass dude who is a hoot to shoot and drink with. Just so you know, I am a three beer Nancy. I suffer from hypervigilance (borderline anxiety). Lol. I come from the streets and don't wanna get my tail tagged by them streets. Nah, in all honesty, I appreciate your reviews and content. I've been a Soldier and a cop for a long time, and I always learn something new from a dude like you. Thanks.
I appendix carry but I'll never do it with a striker except for the Walther P99 which can be decocked. I like to place my thumb over the hammer for DA/SA or DAO style pistols when reholstering.
If you're left handed, strong side carry is no problem while driving. If you're right handed you can carry weak side and do a left hand draw or a cross draw, although transitioning when getting in and out of the car can be a problem sometimes.
I’ve been carrying at 3-3:30 for 30 plus years and have never had an issue drawing my gun when I needed it, no need to lean forward, no seat in the way, just never had the issues you brought up. The argument against appendix carry is that it violates the “don’t point a gun at anything you aren’t willing to destroy” rule of firearms safety. That’s the only argument against it I can see, and as you pointed out TRAINING is how you prevent blowing your nuts off. Personally I won’t carry appendix and not because I don’t trust myself, but because I don’t trust Mr. Murphy and his law “if it can go wrong it will, and at the worst possible moment”.
I can't appendix carry at this time do to medical issues, but I do carry at the 1 o'clock or 2o'clock position, also carry sob sometimes it just depends on how I'm dressed though I haven't found a convenient carry method for when wearing coveralls or overalls.
Thank you for another informative video, Hop. After watching I tried appendix carry, but I found it uncomfortable for riding a bicycle. Also, why do you call the other kind of carry "strong side"? does anyone carry "weak side"? Why not call it side carry?
Even though it's basically illegal to open-carry or CCW in my State, I've been thinking about "necessity carry" if things go sideways. Hopefully I won't need-to. -- Since I can't wear a traditional stiff gun-belt cinched tight-enough to support a gun, I'm thinking either 2-o'clock appendix-carry attached to my suspenders in-front, or a reversed-grip strong-side IWB at the 5-o'clock at the suspenders in-back. Either my Firestar-45 or maybe a lighter 2"-3" revolver IWB. I like pocket carry, but the weight's a problem and I'm running out of pockets for EDC. Otherwise it's the revolver in a pocket holster, but the weight's still a factor. -- I'm not concerned about being "mugged" by a crackhead. I do worry if things get "strange" about being trapped in traffic, ambushed in public or carjacked by the crazies during unrest.
I have tried appendix multiple times with multiple holsters and I just just can't seen to find one that works for me. I agree 100 percent with you and I wish I could but oh well strong side for me.
I come back to this topic very often. I want to carry appendix so bad for all the positive benefits, but I can’t get over the potential of shooting my peepee or femoral artery. No matter how small those chances are while practicing proper gun holstering/handling, I still can’t bring myself to carrying my gun everyday pointed in those areas. Guess I’ll be a strong side guy forever 😂
Having carried a Desert Eagle appendix for a few weeks while waiting for a custom shoulder rig, I can certainly say you can drive, draw while sitting, and draw one handed so long as you practice. Bending at the waist, a little less comfortable, but still possible. Better idea, don't bending over at the waist and instead bend your knees, your gut and back will thank you.
If you have a glock and appendix carry, you definitely should look into getting a striker control device. It is a replacement rear plate that hinges out when the striker moves , ie. Trigger is moved. This allows the shooter to hold his or her thumb over it while reholstering to prevent an ND.
@@tfbtv to each his own. The striker control device isn't really affecting the fire control group, though. I really don't see a down side to ensuring you know, by feel, if your trigger is obstructed.
How the heck did TFB TV get Bill Hader to do this video while also in character as Barry? Their production was already 2nd to none, but this really takes it to a new level....
The one thing I like about strong side is if you're in a situation where your life is on the line and someone is robbing you the motion for grabbing your gun can be disguised as grabbing your wallet. Even if it isn't a robbery situation you can still say "Here let me give you my wallet, take anything but just leave me alone" and then bang! But that is ofc you're not drawing on the drop unless you know you're about to die
