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"Deconstruction" isn't a bad thing! 

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In our last OPEN MAT Q&A a viewer asked JM about deconstructing one's faith...
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@spacemanspiff9773
@spacemanspiff9773 3 месяца назад
I began to deconstructed from fundamentalist doctrines I was taught over 20 years ago. I learned to read the Bible for myself. It was hard and slow initially stripping away the paradigm. But then when I came across Michael Heiser’s podcast and books, my reconstruction accelerated. I now have a biblical framework to properly interpret the scriptures. And I learned that it’s okay to have ambiguity in the text.
@commonweakness9060
@commonweakness9060 3 месяца назад
AMEN! We have to be ok with the mystery of God. The wonderful thing is, God is ok with us not knowing everything.
@Bob20011492
@Bob20011492 3 месяца назад
I've seen people having serious debates about the trap of certainty. Thanks for your emphasis on being OK with ambiguity.
@robwagnon6578
@robwagnon6578 3 месяца назад
I will check out "The counterpoint series" it looks like right up my alley. I have watched a lot of Evangelical vs Orthodox debates, and they were civil and informative!
@thedrumssayyes
@thedrumssayyes 3 месяца назад
Phenomenal approach! I have a mentor who has always challenged me to interpret scripture for myself and not always trust tradition. It has helped me grow tremendously in my walk.
@ArleneAdkinsZell
@ArleneAdkinsZell 3 месяца назад
Excellent explanation and suggestions.
@skinnybodwilliams9342
@skinnybodwilliams9342 3 месяца назад
I appreciate your answer here JM and purchased Across the Spectrum. Thank you
@JohnnyDont
@JohnnyDont 3 месяца назад
This is how I view it, I hold no allegiance to any man. Where Christ crucified is preached so there I may too be. If the central message is about me (or others) and not that of Christ's work then it is waste water, not living water.
@robwagnon6578
@robwagnon6578 3 месяца назад
Ever since I started believing I saw huge flaws with popular theologies. I see salvation like an Orthodox, I see the power of the Holy Spirit like the Azuza Street revivalists. I see Gehenna like an SDA. So, it is hard to find a church that just doesn't feel wrong! So, I am alone and feeling weak before my enemies (Satan and his group). I was raised evangelical, now it seems crazy but so does the Catholic faith. Salvation as OSAS is a church I could never go to. Plus, it seems most modern Church goers believe that 'gate is narrow but the road is wide' or God is like superman and the blood of Christ is like lead that God cannot see through~crazy right? I tend to agree with the late Mike Desiro and his Utube ministry "holding firmly"...who said all the former 'greats' like Tozer, Luther, Augustine, Calvin and Wesley were lost as they admitted they were not saved or believing in the end....Remember when the disciples came to Jesus to correct him? It was obviously early in his ministry. they 'informed' him that the 'important leaders' also were offended at his sayings. it's like they did not yet know that just because a preacher is highly esteemed by many men, that Christ called them 'blind guides'! I said all this because I need prayer and I know I need other Christians, but my honest beliefs are so unpopular I feel many would break fellowship with me once they found out! I know ambiguity is common, but I don't accept it is something we have to accept as God is a God of peace not confusion. I aways see the whole bible like a giant jigsaw puzzle. We all once in a while will try to force a piece that clearly does not belong there:) I see the trinity a little like water, water is steam, liquid and ice but they are all H2O:)
@edblough4134
@edblough4134 3 месяца назад
I tend to disagree with you on this, there is an estimated 30,000 denominations in America most if not all are divided from the others by doctrinal differences. This division is exactly what the adversary wants it is part of his divide and conquer philosophy. Even Luther was concerned by this as he saw every man deciding for himself what was true theology. There is an answer to all theological differences but we have allowed everyone an opinion most based on nothing more than opinion. Church fathers had differences but most were kept in intellectual check and out of the lay persons theology. It remained that way until the Reformation when all check and balances were removed and Everyman decided for himself what he would or would not believe in. We are seeing the results as many in society today decide they do not believe in church, scripture or the concept of a Holy God. Meanwhile the path to hell gets wider and society gets more unloving and distant.
@DiscipleDojo
@DiscipleDojo 3 месяца назад
@@edblough4134 if your answer to that is to have someone in a clergy position just decide what everyone must believe...I'd say that's WAYYYYY more of a danger to the Kingdom than different denominations.
@edblough4134
@edblough4134 3 месяца назад
@@DiscipleDojo Does not the leadership of every denomination decide what everyone in that denomination will believe? Oh sure you can disagree but that will make you a pariah. Again the answer is not what anyone that read thinks it might be it should be established by dedicated, studied and righteous men much they did in Acts 15:22-29.
@Jeowyn
@Jeowyn 3 месяца назад
Theology being gatekept by a few bishops is how we ended up with unBiblical nonsense like "Unbaptised infants go to Children's Limbo", with not enough people literate to be able to say, "Really? Because I checked, and that's not even remotely in the Bible." The problem with "All Christians should be one denomination" is that it almost always means. "One denomination which happens to agree with me at all points".
@Jeowyn
@Jeowyn 3 месяца назад
​@edblough4134 plenty of churches out there don't have fixed positions on a lot of points of doctrine and won't make a pariah out of people who want to discuss.
@Jeowyn
@Jeowyn 3 месяца назад
​@@edblough4134And on the last day, I'm not accountable to God for what Luther or Calvin or DA Carson believe, but what *I* believe. Our intelligence and discernment, in whatever measure we have it, is a gift of God and he wants us to use it, not outsource our beliefs to fellow sinful humans. Take for example Martin Luther, who said a lot of wise and godly things - and also said Jews who refuse to convert should be put in work camps, and bragged that he hit his wife to correct her. He was Luther, a guy, not Jesus Christ.
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 3 месяца назад
Uh, yeah. JM you are looking at this wrong. Faith is belief without evidence, that is referenced in Hebrews. You are talking about examining your faith. The opposite of faith is not another kind of faith, it is not believing. You know about this JM, you have spent time in the dark night of your soul. Even though you are affirming faith now, you have considered that you are wrong about everything. This is a valid position. Think about many of the psalms. They begin by saying things like, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?" and then, without having any confirmation, the psalmist will praise this god who has done nothing. This is what the Bible teaches. believe, and that is enough evidence. If you can live with that, good. I am not able to. If you are happy in your belief and your church and do not want to impose that on others, do not examine your faith. If you look too closely for too long you may find you can not believe.
@Dizerner
@Dizerner 3 месяца назад
Just for the record, that's a wrong interpretation of Hebrews 11:1. A better translation is "Now faith is the substantiating of things hoped for, the matter of things not seen." The point being made here, is that faith itself is an evidence of unseen things, however currently unseen things do not mean "without evidence," as there is evidence for unseen things, either by past experience or present deduction. All Paul is saying here, is that an experience of supernatural things leads one to believe an in invisible realm.
@joestfrancois
@joestfrancois 3 месяца назад
@@Dizerner wrote "The point being made here, is that faith itself is an evidence of unseen things, however currently unseen things do not mean "without evidence," Uh, no. That is an interesting argument, but no. Read it again, there is no talk of physical evidence. The lack of seeing is repeated. I used to say "Paul said to just believe harder." Now I hear not everyone thinks Paul wrote that stuff. No matter. Hebrews says faith IS evidence. You can't spin that. You can believe it or not believe it, but that is what it says.
@DiscipleDojo
@DiscipleDojo 3 месяца назад
@@joestfrancois unseen =/= no evidence This is a popular fallacy among skeptics regarding faith.
@Dizerner
@Dizerner 3 месяца назад
@@joestfrancois You will not find one person in the Bible who believes in God without in some way experiencing him first, it's not there.
@Hello.Bethany
@Hello.Bethany 3 месяца назад
I agree with Dizerner, that is not the most accurate interpretation of Hebrews 11:1 when considered in its linguistic and cultural context and understood in light of the rest of the book of Hebrews. Another RU-vid channel, Exploring Reality, did a great explanation of the biblical concept of faith a while back. Unfortunately, I can’t distill it all down in a YT comment that I’m typing out in my phone, but essentially, this misunderstanding of the concept of faith is what happens when a verse written in another language thousands of years ago is ripped out of its literary context and interpreted in a vacuum. Even just reading all of Hebrews in English rather than that one verse in isolation should make it clear that blind belief was not what the author was advocating as they reference seeking evidence and testing truth claims in other parts of that letter. Going a step further and understanding the original meanings of the Greek words used for “faith” “assurance” and “substance” etc as well as reading it as part of the larger body of scripture. I don’t mean all this as an attack on you, joestfrancois. It sounds from what you said that you are not a believer and you do not have the same responsibility to engage with these texts and do the digging and cross referencing and such to get past the surface-level “clear” meaning of individual verses. My critique is directed more towards other Christians who use a shallow understanding of this verse to guilt or manipulate others against open and honest exploration of scripture and Christianity’s truth claims.
@Dizerner
@Dizerner 3 месяца назад
"Desconstruction" is not some intellectual crises, it's just forsaking Christ. Find out where your commitment level and depth is now, so you don't have to find out later.
@Dizerner
@Dizerner 3 месяца назад
@@mdp_lady No, it's not an opinion. It's how the Word of God describes apostasy. You have forsaken revelation from the Holy Spirit for your own intellectual prowess.
@Jeowyn
@Jeowyn 3 месяца назад
We're called to love God with all our hearts and minds, not frantically stick our heads in the sand and never test or question what we believe. If your faith will completely collapse because you shift away from e.g. believing the world is only 6000 years old, what good was such a flimsy faith framework doing you in the first place?
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