I don't think he was tuff enough. The dude was stuttering when naming predators and never mentioned cougars ! Mature cats main diet is deer ! We had both at our home in Wyoming ! When a deer we'd been watching every morning turned up missing. I could usually go find the carcass, set a tail cam and watch them come everyday and eat
@matthewb3640 biologists like lot of phd people think there smarter than everyone. Even though they spend 90% of their time in a office in Lansing. John ozoga probably last good biologists Michigan had.
Thanks for the real questions. You exposed how clueless the DNR is operating. It's sad to see the lack of logic to back up these regulations. The wrong people are in control of the DNR. Wolves in the U.P. need to be managed ASAP. Thanks for the interview
Way too go jimmy! The people controlling our deer heard are clueless. Guys falling on his face and contradicted himself with every question. I’m watching on pbs right now just wanted my voice heard.
Also making it very clear that the hunters are not the priority. We are the ones doing all the funding. Not the people in Lansing releasing wolves. City people do not care about deer what so ever
Pretty clear that back in the 90's the DNR implemented a long term initiative to transition the UP into more of an Ontario boreal forest bush country experience, and make it more of a destination for the Subaru crowd then the GMC crowd...moose, wolves, cougars, and fewer whitetails are the result.
That's the work of the NRC and animal rights that have taken over upper management. Make our hunting dollars available for all other users ! Sell off land to "Conseratory groups". All bad news😢
Love the interrogation attitude jimmy had to Chad and actually sounding angry about the baiting and other very angering questions we the hunters know alot about more than the DNR do. Thank you guys! Can't wait to see next week's questions.
The DNR have no clue. CWD will spread whether you bait or not. Theres licking branch's scrapes exc. Baiting doesnt make it any worse. We have baiting here in arkansas and we also have CWD and baiting hasnt made it any worse. They just want to fill there pockets with federal money for the research.
I agree, here in sw mi just like any where else deer prefer certain feeding areas. Like a big white oak, Or a single apple tree. Deer numbers are not as high as they say. Not even here in sw mi.
It increases deer congregation more than Not baiting. As hunters know. Doe have concentrated family groups and smaller home ranges. Research shows Bucks in states with CWD are statistically greater carriers than doe due to Bucks greater ranges and travel i.e RUT. If you cut down on bait piles for passing deer to hit it will lessen exposure. I agree it will spread regardless but the key is to outpace that spread. CWD areas should be open all year.
@kylen1922 last fall you go by the bean field next to timber ridge ski area. The hill side was ravaged by deer and over 12 deer a night feeding there ! Down the road farther west same thing. But smaller herds. There are leeward quantities of deer in sw mi but they are scattered. Yet no cwd found. Less than 10 years ago we had the bug go thru and wipe out I'd say 90%of the mature bucks.
As a 60 year hunter I have seen our deer herd fluctuate dramatically in both the lower and upper lower peninsula. I have no experience with the UP and expect they have unique problems. It is a given that there is fewer hunters every year. Listening to Jimmy's interview of Chad who is with the DNR I could hardly contain my anger when Chad indicated that non-hunters and anti-hunters are part of our (their) hunter advisory board. Hunters pay the bills, generate the income, for the DNR so they should have the most input into our regs. TO HELL WITH THE NON-HUNTERS AND ANTI-HUNTERS. They should have no input into our state hunting regulations. Would Democrats serve on the Republican Committee? Hell NO!
With the Communist Governor we have trying to Out do Greasy Gavin from Cali won’t be long before they are Confiscating Guns! The DNR don’t care about the Deer Hunters in UP of Michigan they reintroduced Wolves to kill deer! No baiting it’s all a Fkn joke!
Exactly, and it was all shut down by a judge in .. where else but... California ! That's why, a specialist friend of mine was called into Cali to figure out what was killing mountain lions. No season there. Over population, competition, older killing younger !🤔
Thank You Jimmy! Moving to Washington State before fall this year. To be with my son and granddaughter. Michigan is the only state I've hunted, I truly will miss this great state. From Roger City ❤
Make the doe tags less $ . They use to give them away. You want more does taken make them more available to people ! Managing people is less of a problem than you think. The auto industry does it. The food industry does it. Retail does it. They make available what they want to sell. Pretty easy
Thank you Jimmy! I recommend to follow ohio. 6 deer per hunter with ONE buck. doe are managed by county or dmu. Giving away doe permits won't work, if 2 buck tags are still available.
3 points on a side. The 1 buck rule not as big of deal if antler point restrictions are implemented. Youth and early doe should be 2 weeks and doe only. Rifle 1 month after Thanksgiving
People in Michigan don't understand. People flock to Ohio from all over the country to hunt BIG bucks. Indiana recently switched to a one buck limit and within 2 years surpassed Ohio! It's really pretty simple. 👍
@@travissmith-wz5ncpeople flock to Ohio from all over the country to hunt. The definition of a legal buck in Ohio is " 1 antler 3" or longer"! Sound familiar? That's what it use to be in Michigan! Ohio is and has been for years in the top 5 states for big bucks. It was recently surpassed by Indiana after they went to a 1 buck limit. It's not about restricting peoples rights to kill the buck they're happy with.
Chad sure skirted the wolf issue in the U.P, perhaps next week they go into more detail, my neighbor hunted a whole week at their normal hunting camp and never saw a deer.
Thanks for airing this. I've been a hunter in the Upper Peninsula for 43 years and it's over for me. Especially so in the last ten years there has been a steady decline in the U.P.'s Whitetail population. I've seen bad winters with high mortality rates before but the deer recovered. The deer don't have a chance in recovering anymore. Let me mention a few things here, maybe at random; the 2023 rifle season for me in a nutshell, I saw a spike horn and a fork horn. I still hunt, it's what I like to do. I didn't see a doe, a fawn or a fleeting tail in six, dawn until dark, days afield. A good friend of mine has a father who spent 11 full days afield with a crossbow, over bait and he did not see a single deer in those 11 days. Nothing. I could go on and on about how poorly hunters are doing. Seven years ago, my sons first year of deer hunting, I set him up in a blind in a carefully selected spot where deer historically traveled. Days into season of us sitting there he posed the question, "Dad, if I see a deer should I even shoot it?" A kid asking an ethical question of further damaging what appeared to him as to why he should kill anything that appears to be endangered. My son does not deer hunt anymore even tho he's and avid small game and predator hunter along with a serious fisherman. When I am told that we have a Whitetail population of 136,000 to 100,000 and a wolf population of 600 I have to seriously question that. Why is it that I see more signs of wolves than I do deer? That really seems like the consensus among people that actually spend time in the woods. I would venture it's more of a safe bet that there are 600 wolves in Houghton, Baraga and Ontonagon County. Add Gogebic in and you can almost double that number again. Throw in a few more predators, like coyotes and cougars and we have ourselves a huge mess. The DNR.... I just don't even know what to say? I'm not talking about C.O.'s and park people, I'm talking about the bureaucrats mucking this whole thing up. The DNR cares about one thing- your dollar. If people stop hunting they will just raise the price of something else(they just raised Park Passes...or whatever they call them now) or create some new special Labor Day Park Pass Holders Patriots Hunt. The DNR just wants money and could give one rip about wildlife management or hunters. However, what comes around goes around, and I hope I am still here to see it. Sooner or later the problems we have up here will leak downstate 😊. When your precious little Elk heard starts getting killed off, you little hobby farm animals start disappearing and your pets get torn apart out on a leash in your yard then maybe these DNR bureaucrats will get a little taste of their woke tree hugging ways. Have a nice day! 🙂
How do the reported deer kill numbers of the last two years compare to the calculated numbers of previous years? Chad did not want to answer questions about the numbers. As for U.P. winters and the deer herd, I remember the DNR use to report the winter severity index (or, some such term). Do they still have such a number? How does it compare over, say, the last 20 years? I sat in on a DNR advisory committee once. After months of work, the DNR ignored the committee recommendations, said it didn't matter, they already had their own plan. All in all, we are either being gas lighted or obfuscated. I'm not impressed. We'll see what next week brings.
Do u think southern mi is overpopulated ? Or Deer are seen more because of the loss of woods habitat. Where I hunt mature buck numbers are down in my opinion. Wish the dnr would go to a one buck Tag here for a couple years. Or earn a buck state for a second tag to encourage doe harvest.
I appreciate the conversation, and my focus this year was on older antlerless deer over what I normally see in my area which is what I would call a basket racked buck. Heard management with the habitat issue is a tough one because so much of their habitat is being lost to building businesses like the giant litium battery plant by GM and all the land being taken back for new home building, and then wanting the deer gone because they eat the flowers in the areas that used to be their habit, so that is an area that is of concern don't continue taking it away from them. Been hunting my entire life and being responsible for the resource has always been paramount to me.
Love this channel, I been a subscriber for about 2years now. I live in Wisconsin & hunt in northern Wisconsin about 1 hour for the U.P. The one thing the DNR didn't say any thing about was the Cougar problem in the U.P.!!! 24 sighting in 2023 & 108th. since 2008??? 4 years ago on the Friday after Thanksgiving I went out hunting, on my way to my stand I ran into Cougar track. My size 13 hunting boots next to the tracks & the tracks were 3/4 to the size of the boots' Big cat!!! The DNR in Wisconsin give out free doe tags for certain counties. In the one we hunt in doesn't, tags are $12 each I filled one & my brother got one. Some thing for Michigan DNR to think about???
Thanks for subscribing and watching! It certainly does seem like there’s more cats showing up every year. Sounds like some decreased antlerless licenses on the horizon, long overdue.
Jimmy, please, next week. ask Chad about the questions being asked when reporting a deer harvested. For instance how is "What device was used" important to deer management???
@@matthewb3640 Some how I doubt it. Archery season hunters use bows, rifle season most hunters use a rifle or shotgun , muzzle loader season the same. How is knowing the "Device used" valuable data when researching deer?
My two cents: many hunters relied on baiting, it's what they know, so they're much less successful now. Also, people who hunt small properties cannot "go where the deer go" so baiting helps. Find a way to make baiting legal. Next, if you want to encourage more antlerless deer taken, lower the price. It worked well when it was $5. But even $10 is better than the current $20. Finally, the DNR should be looking at the number of deer sighted as well as the number killed. I saw only 3 deer despite hunting more days than ever: one was a doe too far for a bow shot, another was a spike that I first thought was a doe and the third was a legal 6 pt that never offered a humane shot. But no one collects data on that because they weren't killed.
Thanks Jimmy and Chad for putting this out. Its tough to manage when no one agrees on anything, but alot of the changes in the past few years have been good. Keep up the good work.
In crawford county I saw no deer in 2022 and three in 2023. In Monroe county saw no deer. In the hillsdale county area saw very few deer compared to past seasons. All counties no deer taken this past year. Hunted only public land during archery season.
Another thing TB didn’t show up in our deer herd till the state of Michigan stopped making farmers get there cattle checked for the disease. It’s not called deer tuberculosis it’s called bovine tuberculosis for a reason. It is transmittable to deer because they are in the servant family.
Need to look at price of out of state license prices . Doesn’t affect me but I think you would attract more hunters and fisherman if prices weren’t so high for family’s that want to hunt and fish in Michigain.
The timeline of problems in Michigan's deer hunting matches the tenure of Chad Stewart!!! Restore baiting with 3 gallon limit!! Get rid of Chad Stewart, he seems to be owned by special interest antler fanatics!!!
i don't understand how Chad doesn't know the Up Wolves numbers knows there is a problem but the man who should have the numbers doesn't hmmm why interview him
Not sure why our deer, elk, and mouse specialist should be our wolf specialists. When wolves get delisted by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT our MDNR stands ready to manage the resource.
Deer numbers in the UP are on a major decline yet the crop damage permits are handed out like candy in the southern UP. 65 of 65 tags filled for land north of where I hunt, and its not that big of a farm. Understand that deer can do some damage but that seems a bit of an excessive amount to be able to kill.
In some areas where the density is thick, like really thick, the doe harvest is wayyyy overdue. In order to get them back to a manageable level there needs to be a big harvest locally. 65 seems like a lot but not when there can be over 100/sq mile and their crops are getting destroyed. Farming is not a charitable venture...
The look on your face throughout this interview. It was reflected my feelings about the answers given. Especially everyone gets a say because it's fair and inclusive. The bait thing...... "You lazy hunters got to go where the deer are".... great answer Chad 😒
Thanks Jimmy for your ?? To Chad . Sorry he couldn’t give the Michigan Deer hunting a good answer on baiting for everyone, just walked around the question. Typically a politician answers. The DNR really don’t care . It’s just a money game period!!!
For some time now we've been told they were selling less deer tags and have fewer hunters so they started having special hunts. Youth hunt to start em early(sell more tags) and handicap hunts and extra doe tags and early doe season and late doe season trying to figure out why peoplle weren't hunting. At the same time stopped the baiting. Lots of people have small properties , especially in populated areas near farm land and they got that property to hunt but can't compete with farm crops without baiting so they gave up hunting (stopped buying tags) and the DNR is still trying to make up for that by offering more chances, more doe hunts ,use your buck tag on a doe. We hunters who buy tags are the ones supporting the DNR and the wildlife but give some say to non hunters which gives less say too hunters (tag buyers), but they don't seem to hear us. My family has two forty acre properties about 3 miles apart in northern Montmorency county where I have hunted every fall for near 60 years and have never seen deer numbers so bad. The 23 season I hunted one forty every day for a week and had a guy on the other forty for that week. More acorns than ever and Bob seen zero deer and I seen zero on the forty I hunted. Had a couple deer moving thru at night. They started the season nocturnal and far fewer deer as well. I believe they were pressured and slaughtered in the EARLY doe season as well as harvested by the preditor population. Coyotes. bob cats, wolves and couger. Yes all of these species live there, no matter what they want us to believe. Seeing is believing. I also have 22 acres where I live and it is forest proerty with food plots and oak trees and apple trees and a quarter to half mile from the farm crops and deer numbers were down here as well. Everyone I talked to had the same story, herd is way down from normal.When the DNR allowed 2 gallons of bait spred over a 10x10 area, that promoted parasites and desease. Bait hunters usually hunt the same set up most of the season. Ground blind or tree stand, they dump 2 gallons of shelled corn over the same 10x10 area every day. Where the deer eat they also shit. Deer are eating each others crap there by spreading the desease and parasites. I also noticed when the TB thing started in the in the 3 or 4 county area and the DNR stopped the baiting there and slaughtered the deer heard in the name of tb, if you took the original TB map and super imposed it over the MI elk hunting map it was the same. I don't and never did believe it was about tb. Brain worm is spread by the droppinngs, only 2 animals can survive brain worm. Whitetail deer and pigs. It was killing the elk and I will go to my grave believing it was about saving the elk from brainworm. Most hunters know they have almost zero chance of ever being drawn for an elk tag but they hunt deer anually and probably would not have helped slaughter the deer herd if they were told it was a brain worm thing.
I really like the questions tht where ask and I think the DNR officer answered very well I totally agree in the no baiting to keep a healthy heard think Abt it 2 bags a week times 300,000 people turns into millions of pounds of unnatural food on the land and I also like the idea of lowering the doe tag price if they where 5 bucks a piece I just buy all ten up front but if they do tht i think it would help our herd to go to one buck tag for a few years or earn ur sec buck tag either way good episode
Your the problem , shooting 10 antherless deer , your called a game hog and your the kind of person we need to get out of hunting , it's always about you and what you can do for me , a real hunter cares about the health of the deer herd you just want to kill more anx theres no reason to shot 10 anter less deer , do us all a favor as and take up another hobby.......
I hunted a private lease in Menominee County from 1980 to 2000. Very very high deer numbers over that time period. The only major change since then seems to be the resurgence of Timber Wolves, combined with a huge decline in the deer population.
When is this state going to focus the management on small game like they do the deer? That's where we can pick up more youth hunters in our small game does need to help
At my camp in the UP it’s been a decline in deer for probably the last 7-10 years. I leave cameras out year round to monitor animals and snow depths. Most of the time the bears out numbered the deer population by a large percentage. The wolf and large predators are close to 1-1. Those aren’t good odds for deer. As for the snow it seems to be the same from winter to winter. Except for possibly this year.
PLEASE...Make the damn straight wall cartridge length restriction null and void..... The "person's" in charge of this, needs to be educated on what's currently allowed and what's currently restricted, based on a cartridge ballistics scale alone. Currently YOU are allowing cartridges that out perform the restricted cartridges... Where's the "common" sense i hear about all the time.... We have a really really good track record for safety here in Michigan, so please give us the ability and freedom to choose a 350 legend or a 45-70 gov..... Rules like these are a huge huge reason i don't trust the NRC/ DNR/ State of Michigan to manage the deer population, make the sound correction.... Factual data is available... If your limited on you man power, to do the said research, please let me know i will give you any and all the info you would need and i will do it all for FREE....If you want more hunters, we need less restrictions at the end of the day.
Lol Deer harvest is down. Gosh it wouldn't be because that man and other DNR officials raise the hunting licenses to a point where no one can afford one. Then if you do go deer hunting with the price of licenses and if you have your deer processed it's not worth it. Then you also have the DNR wanting to know your life history if you do get one. Screw that, there's to much government in the state now.
Good show tonight, the DNR‘s got it wrong. Baiting should be legal. I have a spinal cord injury and can’t maneuver in the woods no longer. Baiting. should be allowed for all of deer hunting season. Not just the liberty hunt and the independence hunt. That guy on TV tonight from the DNR has it wrong! The baiting law in Michigan should be legal.
Huh?!?! The last guy had the last name Rudolph. You may be thinking of Al Stewart retire upland game specialist, who btw, was a staunch defender of 1 turkey/year (spring hunt) to maintain Michigan’s trophy Turkey reputation.
Look at the state of our state forests. Thousands of acres wiped barren every year. Harvesting much faster than it can grow back. My gut tells me where forests once were windmills will be soon.
Dove hunting? Why are we not? Sand hills are getting like geese! FACT, town folk seem to be running the show, just like wolf season….joke when hunters pay the coin for Management
Classic stubbornness from Chad and the DNR. They want to create this initiative group but don't want to listen and aren't open, just like the bait topic. I could care less and haven't baited since 06, but he instantly shut it down. Also yeah they don't enforce it anyways so why create laws for me to follow and others not to when they can't enforce it. People report issues and DNR do nothing if you can even get a response from them. Cheaper doe tags, once again didn't want to listen and knows it all. Response was they do that in 487 and didn't see increase in tags. Well that's because the TB zone has been slaughtered for deer for decades. Keep in mind our crappy economy and high costs for everything. Processing is no joke. It's doubled in the last several years and your lucky to process under $120. Why should people shoot 10 doe? They can shoot 2 bucks for the same price and be happy with that. At least with a $5 doe tag it would be an incentive to shoot doe rather than have more bucks than doe taken every year., but once again they don't want to listen to anything we have to say. UP numbers down and blames habitat but he couldn't answer they question what changed over the last 10 years. They know it all and see declines and concerns but their not open to anything already in place. Wolves introduced and we can't manage them! Just like deer or any other animal without hunting theres no way to contol population and numbers will continue to incease and deer will suffer to the Alpha predator. No changes coming!! Brother reported state land being marked private property / no trespassing and harrased. Farmer has his field going well into state land now. Why isn't it being addressed? I guess we can just go mark state land to call our own too . Lay in the grave you created MiDNR.
OH, COME ON JIMMY ! You didn't nail him on COUGARS ! He skirted that while stuttering ... um .... bobcats ! Just about 3 years ago wolves killed 90 elk in 30 days in Teton County, Wyoming. Not to eat, just to teach the young how to kill ! We let a judge in California regulate (stop) our wolf hunt ! What about insurance law suits ? So who really controls our deer hunting ? ! And then they make muzzleloader season open to all legal guns ?wth ? I'm a flintlock hunter and we would like to see a weekend flint only or traditional flint/ cap only season. What we wanted originally.
It astounds me that the DNR can`t seem to connect the elimination of baiting wand the hike in license fees to the reduction in hunter numbers. There are a lot of casual hunters who are not willing to drop fifty bucks to go sit in the woods for a day or two, especially since they (without baiting) have such a slim chance of scoring a deer.
Good question on baiting! Don’t forgetTribal hunters not restricted on baiting! They say deer bait transfers by saliva deer to deer? The UP has No CWD an they eat in deer yards nose to nose an don’t have it so it’s all BS. The CWD found in UP probably came from Wisconsin! Just like the Bear 1st season just a cash cow money maker. 10-12 yrs an points at 5.00 app a yr!
I believe Michigan needs to enforce the earn a buck law meaning you have to first shoot a doe in order to shot a buck also I think Michigan needs to look into getting a life time hunting tag or permit or something saying you payed one time for your license for the rest of your life I do have to say I enjoy using the app to report deer harvest
I hate to point out that out west with the Grizzly a very big anti hunter applied and got one of the few tags. Purposely not to fill it. This guy had been very vocal about the grizzly’s and how horrible he felt it was to have a controlled hunt Even though ranchers and farmers were have proven grizzly kills on livestock. I just wonder what a anti hunters input would be any benefit to the conversation about harvesting deer. Once you open the door to that mindset they never leave. Deer heard have gone down to scary levels in my area (lower northern) Doe tags are insanely high And with the early doe season last year starting in June when they are dropping their fawns. Seems to me that’s not a eradication not management. I’ve been hunting since the early 80’s and seen the heard flux but nothing like it is now. It’s not just the diseases, heard winters, or even the predators that are hitting It the roads/highways the car deer accidents I live on a main truck route every year with in a mile we have 6+ deer killed. It’s alarming and I’d like to hear if that number is taken into account at all by the DNR Thank you Jimmy. I’ve been a fan of Michigan out of doors my whole life.
Yeah and nothing has changed in 30 years. I'm on both sides as a hunter and my dad is a farmer. The regulations my dad has had to go through because of it is absolutely ridiculous, just so he can sell his cattle. As a hunter we have no changes in 30+ years.
Of course we are not provided the exact numbers of infected dear with either one of these diseases. I hunt Oh,IN,and IL anymore. This state is hostile to deer hunters. The pleasure police are at their best in this state.
Michigan makes it hard to donate deer to the needy. Other states make it so easy that people give away the deer they like/need to shoot but don't need in there freezer. Being able to donate the deer would help the hunters harvest more deer than there family's need.
20:11 Um wrong. The nrc classifies deer as a game animal and to be managed as such. The nrc has been directed by the people of the state of Michigan to follow "principals of sound scientific management" as directed by the people's 1996 proposal G. It most certainly does not allow people on a "committee" any powers in managing game animals in our state. Somehow the nrc and the DNR have slid way off base not following proposal G and decided take input from sources that don't always have the deer herds best interest at stake but rather their own. The DNR has no power in making rules, that is the nrc. The nrc members are appointed by the governor. If you want real change and to follow "principals of sound scientific management", you first must change the nrc members that aren't swayed by special interest "stake holders".
@caseywabeke5394 I have killed deer on other lands. We stopped the baiting they went other places. I am in that t.b. zone the original one. Did the d.n.r. kill them off. I have been getting coyote on my trail cam .
Im fine with not hunting over bait in Michigan but sure would like to keep minerals out yr round. Also what about every deer in the herd hitting the same scrape branch? When are we gonna ban the deer from using scrapes to avoid spreading disease?? Or just get them too wear masks.....
During this video there is a video of deer getting nose-to-nose in a Green FOOD PLOT.....so this throws out the notion NO BAITING ALLOWED to a hunter baiting to keep deer APART to prevent CWD? So Chad is wrong on this respect to keep a baiting ban to keep deer apart.
I have hunted in Menominee county for 30 years an never seen the Deer numbers so low? Deer are being hunted by Predators year round! Wolf surveys are a joke! Heavy snow hasn’t happened in the last 4 yrs
I am amazed at some of the questions and answers. For instance "when will see the baiting ban get lifted" HFD is that? Chads answer should have included pointing out that hunters should learn to hunt as well as get educated on how baiting affects whitetail deer movement. I would like to see the penalty for baiting be the same as if the "hunter" violating the law to be the same as if they were caught poaching. I would also like to see hunters embrace the harvest of doe and more importantly "not saving the doe for the rut" . Obviously the population dictates doe harvest. The decision is easily made, if you see a spike in the southern lower peninsula shot a doe at the 1st opportunity, do not wait. I am hoping for real changes but the NRC disappoints every single year, not holding my breath. Bottom line, enjoy your time in the woods. Ed always said, "keep the fun in hunting"
Tough crowd. I actually think Chad was pretty well rounded. Jimmy came out swinging really, and most of you on here are pretty dang biased. It's complex. The dnr can't solve all the problems no more than you as an individual can outside of your back yard.
Chad Stewart needs to step down, Our Michigan DNR is a D- at best and every Michigan outdoorsman know it. They have been a joke for decades, they constantly change the rules/seasons every few years because none of them have a clue what is right or wrong. Ive been hunting Michigan for over 35 years, owned 4 different prime properties in Southern Michigan were we live, its terrible hunting,.ok at best. I have since sold and bought out of state in Missouri, 10 x the experience Michigan has ever offered. They are so full of pride and choose to not to listen to its residents or even try to model our connecting states regulations. My advice, go hunt ohio and Indiana, go see the difference for yourselves.
