Defendant's WIFE testifies Against Him In Apple River Self-Defense Trial - Spousal Privilege? 

His wife was on her husband's side. She said nothing. Literally nothing. I think she is just as sick as he is. She looks absolutely miserable btw like she wanted to be anywhere but there.

It's destroyed their lives.

Its called shock

I was surprised they left, or did I misunderstand? Kids are stabbed, he is afraid, and they go tubbing down the river like nothing happened?

@@cjcap9918That’s what she said. I couldn’t believe what she was saying!

A pocket knife while snorkeling in a river?

That has nothing to do with the fact of why he "chose" to go back to the group - and yes that does make him the aggressor.

​@@honkytonk4465 how do you work with the twine holding the tubes together without one?

⁠@@honkytonk4465yes! My husband has one on him at all times. It’s easy to get tangled in floating twine and such in water. He has helped others before, too, and every time people say “I’ll bring one next time”.

I carry one too, outside on my farm and in my Jacket, to open things.

I kept thinking this.. alcohol and fragile egos can be lethal

So right… in a nice world. U shd watch Todd Grandes assessment. He does a psychological assessment on it and it was interesting. I’m obsessed with this case. If I were a juror it wd be NOT guilty across the board. Just r not the right charges given the shared blame

LOL right. Nic didn't say a damn word the whole time to explain that he was looking for a phone or to ask for help. Such a weird interaction that ended tragically for both parties.

Or...say "the fucking phone is lost, get in your tube and move on"!

@@tawkinright3961 LOL right? The fact all of this was over a lost phone floating down the river is insane.

I live in Wisc as well and like you, enjoy tubing at different rivers. Never had any issue with anyone-- people are happy, friendly, and usually interract with other tubers, like you said. But there is always lots and lots of drinking. So it wouldn't take much for things to escalate. The situation is sad all around.

@@littledeebee Yes! Tons of drinking going on!

Also Wisconsin resident and I'm shocked too. Usually everyone is in high spirits on a tubing day.

​@@littledeebee Google "wolf river shooting." Crazy.

I went to Iowa State University and groups of us would go up there and have a blast. Pretty well known in Iowa as well.

Groups of drunk teens....that's who you need to avoid.

You're right in this guy should really do his homework maybe

Smart move.

My thoughts exactly

If he's found guilty, can the stabbed victims go after monetary for being stabbed- pain/suffering/ PTSD,?

They didn't just get a divorce, they have been divorced but are still friends and socialize with each other

My dad and husband both always had a pocket knife. It was used for opening gifts as well. I still have my husband’s pocket knife and a small pearl handled knife he gave me to carry in my purse.

My dad too

Knives big enough to disembowel a man?

@@SC-ls3ivthe knife was not that big it was a pocket knife. Also its not that hard to slash someone's stomach when they are so skinny.

I carry a pocket knife.

Teenagers are not known for emotional intelligence particularly in a pack.

Alcohol. That one word is the root cause of this entire thing. I went to the same river 10+ times as a young adult. Everyone is lying about how much alcohol was consumed. The river is known as the place to go get wasted and party. Its not a family friendly place. Even the adults get outta hand. I've witnessed some horrendous beatings on the river or in the campgrounds. Never any stabbings but group attacks on multiple occasions. Men groping women or just being way to pushy toward them. I would never knowingly let my children go there.

@@mwww2589I agree, alcohol was definitely a part of it, I’d also like to point out the root cause being the gaslighting by the teens

Gaslighting and emotional intelligence in one comment thread. Allow me to add narcissism to complete the 2024 banger.

They told him to LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE over and over again. Why is that so difficult for anyone to hear and comprehend? I guess that is why he stayed there too, he just did not understand the word "LEAVE" or Get the fark out of here. Again, maybe he wanted to show these, what he considered "Punks" who the real man was because, I do believe he understood the AMERICAN version of the word, "LEAVE"!

Grimacing and waving is a sign for help in the water in many places including Australia.

True…. Gaslighting gone wrong

@@dixiewade8373The young men (and young women) definitely sounded (in video) like they were verbally harassing Nickolai, laughing at him and physically shoving him into the water, and FALSELY ACCUSING him of being a child m*lestr! Their jeers did NOT sound like they were in distress, the older man was!! He was defending himself from 10 + people surrounding him!

@@culturalobserver8721 horseshit. They were verbally harrassing him because he was harassing them. And verbal harassment does not justify punching someone which is was the guy did, and then that resulted in the kids pushing him. Then he took that pushing to justify him murdering one kid and stabbing and seriously injuring two other people, that's murder and assault and that's why he's headed to a cell.

@@kennyjames4679You are completely wrong!! Several drunk young men surrounded him, then more young adults came to join in on the bullying of this middle age man! Eventually he had to defend himself!! The young adults are at fault in harassing him and shoving him in the water, and I believe the middle age guy is NOT guilty without a reasonable doubt! I believe he is innocent based on all that video footage.

Stood on his business not guilty is my judgement

@@pavevbogovev4045 WOW!!! Special kind of

Manslaughter is not an option for the jury

100……

@@rubypriceallen9584 The drunk teen wouldn't be dead and his friends wouldn't have been stabbed had they not called the guy a pedo and ramped up escalation. I doubt none of this would have happened if they hadn't been drunk and smoking weed. There are MANY parts of the US where if you call a man a pedo you'll end up dead let alone put hands on him IN A DRUNKEN MOB. Like I said. F around and FIND OUT. With that being said I bet he's found guilty because of the emotional factor of a dead teen.

@@rubypriceallen9584 He was being threatened by a group and was legally WELL within his rights to defend himself after being attacked. You can be emotional but the question in this trial is if his response was appropriate given the situation. Bottom line is this: The kid would still be alive today and no one would have been stabbed had these drunken idiots not harassed and attacked this guy.

wouldn't ? drunken teen vs. drunken older man with a weapon? almost all were drunk. NM looked beyond " Happy Buzzed" drunk he appeared surly and confrontational angry drunk. And I'm curious...and history of DV between NM and wife? Divorcing to protect assets not due to problems in marriage? Alot of questions not answered. Possibly NM group knew he was drunk and aggressive and did not want to find them selves involved in his drama.

Guess he learnt a lesson too. Of course he will spend the rest of his life questioning his decisions.

Why would ppl need a warning, imo it’s good for ppl to see what can happen

I 'think' he's call for help is referring to physically waving at his group for help on video, not verbally . Lost in translation coming from different country/ language

​@@marcie3032waving palm towards a group and smiling is NOT a call for help. 😂

@@marcie3032😂

He was afraid and 2 x he waved to the boat where his ppl were and they cdnt see or didn’t see until it was too late

Taunted but U don’t murder because of that- going back to young ones means he was ready to continue commotion between them

Because she is lying

@@yukkei2530 Of course she is...this is why spousal privilege exists. She's gonna lie. They got divorced to protect any assets from the wrongful death civil cases that I'm sure are gonna be swinging their way too.

@@yukkei2530 Yes, she was lying down on the tube and couldn't get up. She said that numerous times.

@@neroliW Yet she managed to get out of her raft for her "spousal" chat, read confession, from Nick on the sand dune. He's a liar and so is she.

I just don’t think she sees any benefit to trying to add to what’s already on the video since she was a couple hundred feet away and maybe she didn’t see him get it but we all saw him get hit on the video and at that point if everything just started there he’s totally justified it’s just when you factor in what happened before it gets murky. He may very well have drowned if he didn’t have the pocket knife

Yes, but where is their crime?

well then why did he walk over to them and fuck with their tubes and stand in the middle of the tubes? is that what you would do being terrified?

People who are afraid don't walk into a group of people who are verbally harassing them and physically instigate a fight. This dude did it because he knew he had a weapon. He walked over to them, the the first punch, and got jumped for it. The kids were being jerks, we don't stab folks for that.

Then you have blinders on.

Yeah, that was what I have been saying as well. I felt threatened just watching

That’s a terrible excuse- it’s “their” fault we can’t enjoy ourselves. You teach others how you want to be treated. If you skulk around or act like you’re in fear or irritated in your environment, people sense that. Walk around with confidence, positive attitude and calm demeanor is what should be done. Take some self defense classes too, it can help.

@@courtneyderouenyea ok you can come down to the Appomattox see how that works out for you.

But… you don’t stab 4-5 people! That’s the difference.

Annoyance doesn’t give you the right to murder someone

@@dd4850it escalated quickly from mere annoyance…as soon as he was pushed, that’s where the questions start…was he actually in fear for his life? I’d say being pushed and slapped doesn’t warrant that kind of action. I’ve been pushed, and slapped, and I’ve never stabbed anyone. You’re looking at a grown man child here, I believe his ego was the reason for the stabbing…he had the chance to walk away a few different times.

found out

Was coming here to the same​@@mrwilliamwonder

At 17 years old, you sre still considered a CHILD/kid under the law.

@@laurasmith14 At 17 years old, you are pretty much charged as an adult for serious crimes in any state. It’s also funny that you refer to them as kids but aren’t they doing adult activities, when is a kid allowed to drink alcohol, did they buy those beers as kids? You refer to them as kids when it benefits your narrative. You lack critical thinking.

@@atang810 uhhh, legally they are considered kids. No critical thinking necessary.

@@maryleachmanbeautyconsultantAnd Miu was obviously raised to be a murderous psychopath.

@@laurasmith14 but he was drunk...

It isn’t just Wisconsin. Usually when someone is pulled over for DUI, they have had “2 drinks”.

Go to Wisconsin, it’s the drunkest state in the union. The drinking culture and power of the Tavern League is dumbfounding

@@GovernorBanes touché. ☺️ It is cold. People need to stay warm. Meanwhile I am in Florida. Folks are hot, on meth and get nekked. 🤣

Right? My very first thought was "okay well thats what every DUI person says ever. Jury knows she is lying" the *balls* lol

“Two drinks” is just a common mispronunciation of “shitfaced”

NM also lied when he told police that the young guys had knives and he took one away from one of them and used it in the stabbing.

Right, he should have stayed called police himself. He didn't intend to kill anyone that day. But he felt he needed to be the big adult and set these kids straight. He was to arrogant to just walk away.

What someone does after the fact has zero effect on whether it was self defense or not.

@@jonnysalami692not true… literally your opinion is not fact

If you hurt someone in self-defense, in your own interest you should immediately contact LE. If I was assaulted and felt so threatened that I needed to stab not one, but 5? people, I would also want to press charges. If a driver hits someone with their car, and it was an accident, they can’t just leave the scene. It makes no sense. I also think he could have threatened and brandished the knife without actually stabbing anyone. He was with a big group. He would have stayed with his group when he went back the first time, or brought some of his friends with him when he went back if he was worried about being threatened.

Yep and wen the state is doin the job they are helps the defense.

It's clear you've never been in a trial because along with a great defense attorney duo, the prosecution is doing an excellent job. The judge, too, runs a tight and professional ship. I've been a court reporter for 45 years and have been in hundreds of trials. I know what I'm talking about.

Well I think I can have an opinion on how good the defense attorneys are Ms. @Denised.9500

I thought this felt similar to the Kyle Rittenhouse trial and I just found out this attorney was Kyles attorney when he was acquitted.

@@denised.9500 "I'm a physician"

There are numerous RU-vid channels covering the trial one is a MN News Station

I only started watching the trial days ago because of the crazy number of channels covering it. Sooooooooo many channels have been covering this.

Useless? They ganged up on this man. Bullies are useless in society.

​@@SayHelloToOblivion I'm semi new to this case but didnt he punch a female before the males got physical? If not can you direct me to where I'll find what happened before he punched the female in the black swimsuit?

If useless you mean self defense because the younger people had no business attacking an old man

Thankfully you're not. Definitely wouldn't hire you as a lawyer. Lmao

Have you watched the video self defence is a huge stretch and he lied a 100 times

And why weren't these others charged? And who supplied the booze

​@@thekid3999they all lied! Everyone !

He doesn’t speak English at least not well enough to know what to say in this situation

Basically, being non-verbal gives those with the "gift-of-gab;" powers to torment, vilify, obstuct, harass, incite a mob.>> A bird's eye view, of what young children go through in school.

He was in the stabby mood only.

​​@@GreenLightMeHe's been living in the USA since he was 15 and Romanian is not a popular language. I'm sure he knows english better than he lets on

Yellow shorts hands weren’t on his neck or around it. Left hand on right of chest near shoulder and his right hand was lower, then he pushed him back.

Gee that’s what I just posted

are you talking about this court case or a future one? because he's on trial for 1st degree murder - which was a really bad choice.... as 1st degree is premeditated.

Very smart move

@@GorgieClarissahe’s on trial for 1st degree homicide, which does not have to be premeditated.

Well then man put asunder. That means he is a Demon

exactly. This mullet wearing lawyer is biased af

Yes he should have been locked up for the rest of his sorry life. outrageous outcome

What’s your point?

Disagree.

Did you watch the trial? The dude threw a punch at the old man's face.

Being an asshole doesn’t mean you can stab them! Walk away!

he didnt have a chance, they would never have heard him ,they were screaming obscenities at him..

He tried. He said I’m looking for a girls phone. They switched it to say, he is looking for little girls. He started out looking for a phone but the teens appear to knock the snorkel off n then you see him looking for it. Moving the tubes n looking down for it. They are all yelling at him then women screaming n cursing at him, in his face, hands on him. I think he raised his hand to remove the woman’s hands from him n she thought it was a hit. She was drunk n most were doing drugs too. Anyway she walks away to say she was hit. A woman has no right to get in a strangers, yelling n cursing at him n expect nothing to happen. If he was moving his hand up n hit her I don’t think he intended to hit her. You can see his face in slow motion. He doesn’t seem to be a bad man. Helping a friend look for a phone, handy man, helping others. Compare to a bunch of drunk 17-24 yr olds. Hmmm

@@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654exactly. They just heard the girls part and got all hyped up. Two of the “kids” were football players. Those other girls that came up and got in his face didn’t help matters. Mob mentality.

These kids know he said girls phone... the kids are very obviously trashed and antagonist. Not a crime... but the man was on his knees, thrn hands around his neck? 1 pocket knife vs how many football players? 220 lbs? drunk or on drugs aggressive kids. 1990, Hollywood FL a group of teens beat a man, who had a bat, to death right in front of a Burger King in their prom clothes. (They got off, save 1 that turned state witness, 1 kid's Dad got him a tag for his car that said "above the law") horrifying. 😳 I think he left because he didn't realize how badly the kid was hurt.

@@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654 how did they knock it off when he put it in his mouth to lunge at their tubes?

I'm pretty sure Cour tv is streaming the trial.

You are evil.

good thing you're not a juror then

The kids that were laying in their tube's the entire time until he leaves, comes back, another group comes to help, and then they get up. At any point in time Nik could have just walked away. He was not chased or followed the first time he walked back to his group. I've watched every video and testimony. This guy made some absolutely terrible decisions and should be locked up forever.

Fairly certain he's on house arrest with an ankle monitor and random alcohol breath tests.

@@jennyk5362nope in jail with 1 MILLION dollar bail 😳😳😳

​@@AngieLynn-en5jz Wow! That is a high bond. Thanks for the info.

Guess he’s getting that back.

Cash bail is wild like someone could stab a bunch of people and be walking around in public while awaiting trial if they have a million dollars. IMO you should be held without bail for violent crime,sex crimes and crimes against children. I'm not saying he's guilty just that cash bail seems reckless when the charges are so serious.

You clearly didnt watch ANY of the video evidence

So did you ingest crack rock today before or after not watching the video?

⁠@@joeselsbury543…isn’t that the truth!! Some people make me sick when they don’t know what they are talking about and 29 likes who think like him!

​@@dianehansma1725I'm convinced trolls have a club and get each other to like their ridiculous comments... But then I ponder, thinking they have friends is crazy. It makes more sense they just create dozens of profiles.

It's not!!!

Most of the 'men' who served in WWII were 16 years old. No birth certificate because they were born at home. No one cared, they joined. These young men had no reason to verbally assult the man. 17 year olds are men, not boys. R***r and pedo*****!!! They have half the blame here.

@@jimbobbyrnes they are not kids! WWII soldiers in combat were younger than that. My father was 16 as was my best friends father. Those men should have been raised better. They started the entire thing. If the man had no knife he would have been the dead body possibly.

@@jimbobbyrnes The defence proposed is self defence. The “victims” will be scrutinized…and they should be. If they stand up under scrutiny then he’ll be convicted. If they don’t then he’ll be acquitted. But if the jury thinks they instigated this fight and he just happened to defend himself with a weapon he had on him…he’s absolutely not guilty. The fact that he won the fight doesn’t mean he gets punished. And the fact that they lost doesn’t make them any less guilty of assault. But the prosecutor presenting the presence of a knife as evidence of guilt is not persuasive to me. And when people try to present a nothing like a smoking gun or make a mountain out of a molehill it makes me doubt their judgement and leaves me with the impression they are trying to railroad someone. I don’t believe that he went back to get a knife then reapproached with the intention of stabbing anyone…which seem to be what they are trying to imply. At the very least there is a legitimate argument that a single man surrounded by drunk and high young adults that are physically and verbally threatening him and then assaulting him could be fear of his life. These kids were undeniably acting stupid and overly aggressive.

@@jimbobbyrnes LOL. Not how it works. From what I understand there the defendant was definitely being physically assaulted prior to the stabbing. And getting away from a group drug fuelled young men isn’t actually as easy as you seem to like to think. Had they backed off from the fight once the knife was out then not more than one of them likely would have been injured if that. Just because he had a knife doesn’t make him automatically the one that started the fight. If they started the fight then it’s their own fault that he defended himself. With that many assailants, death was an undeniable possibility. You seem to be under the impression that because he had a knife he had to allow himself to be beat up or potentially killed. That makes 0 sense. Assault with hand and feet can absolutely kill someone…especially in water. Also seems like in that state he didn’t have a duty to retreat. If they started the fight and he finished it. Then they were stupid to start a fight and they lost their lives for it. Parents should have raised them better.

@@jimbobbyrnes stop being a momma.

Mr. Mia was snorkeling and someone asked him what he was looking for and he said little girls. There was a couple of girls from the group close by.

IMO- they had been drinking and thought it would be funny to taunt the man as for walking away I think he was caught between fight or flight he charged towards them (fight) he moved away and the followed him (flight) they taunted him more he froze IF he hit the girl which I’m still not sure he did (fight) he stabbed after being hit (fight) I personally thing he was overwhelmed and didn’t know what to do and eventually lashed out (I am in no way condoning what he did)

I really think he said I am looking for my googles and they thought he said I am looking for little girls. Then one kid heard that and hollered out predator then another said pedophile. Then the drunk kids were laughing. He walked ver to them really creepy like and never said a word. At that point he should have left. Instead he hit a girl and all hell broke loose. It was creepy how he had his knife out hiding it under his belly. He is guilty of manslaughter at the very least.

No. Evidence said there were no little girls anywhere. He said he was looking for a girl's phone imho. She dropped her phone and he went to look for it in the river with his snorkel. @@carolc4272

They thought he was being creepy. He lunged at the boys legs and wouldn’t leave. So, nobody knows why NM didn’t walk away. That’s the whole reaches on trial for murder imo

Sad? It was sad to see the old guy's scar from a QUADRUPLE BYPASS THE YEAR BEFORE!!

So true the DA is wack

I agree the prosecution is kinda lame.

No way he's found guilty of 1st degree

Agree, this prosecution is awful. They seem unprepared. The time lapse in between questions is crazy long. I get bored and lose interest because of it.

@@BeebesFave 100% agree! He takes forever to ask a question - and then he puts the answer in the question so they only have to answer "yes" or "no"

agreed, I think the guy should do jailtime but they bit off more than they could chew with the charges

Wow I had no idea, I haven’t seen much on this but I will now. Thanks for the post.

People pro murderer keep acting like they don't see the reactions of everyone when he slaps her. They act like the previously nonviolent group just decided they had enough people and attacked him. 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

I read that state has no stand your ground law.

@taramcgavan7654 No he didn't. He was there snorkeling and never left. What are you talking about?

not to mention his heart condition, and past surgery.

It was about 12 inches of water

They were pleading with him, ordering him to go away. Why didn't he?

​@@denised.9500from what I saw in the video it's because the only area that they left open for him to leave the area was into deeper water in the middle of the river. Would you go deeper into water when you're surrounded by a dozen angry people accusing you of horrible crimes and screaming at you? Maybe he could have walked further downstream but that would mean he's further away from his friend group and walking directly in the path that this gang of drunken hooligans was headed. So he was bound to meet up with them again if he went in that direction. Sure, it's easy for us to extrapolate what he should or shouldn't have done, but in the moment it seems they left him little choice but to stand there and take their abusive shouts in his face. And there's no proof that he.punched the woman. Did he push her away? Did his hand hit her in the face accidentally? Maybe. I originally thought this guy was guilty and the younger people were innocent victims. Having seen the video, it's a totally different scenario. He should have been charged with a crime (leaving scene of crime?, destroying evidence?, unintentional manslaughter/ accidental death?) but definitely not 1st degree murder.

Go run in 12 inchs of watter with a current you goober.​@@CarrieV9

My husband has carried one every day since I've met him. Uses it for everything...a lot of people carry one ..they just don't advertise it until it's useful to something then they take it out

I have carried a pocket knife for over 50 years.

This looked more than a pocket knife. I carry a pocket knife and I am a female janitor but my knife dies not look like that! I would need to unfold it and that blade looks pretty long to do that much damage. Wow! So he hid that blade and stabbed all those kids. Girls and boys. Of course people tried to stop him. One he started attacking them they were defending themselves. Youths and teens can get mouthy...true and though that is not right if you have ever been a parent or a teacher or a worked with teens at all...they do that. As an adult walk away. Call the police on them if you want to report underage intoxicated youths on the river if you want to. But I don't think he wanted o call the police because I don't know about WI but in MN it is now illegal to be intoxicated on the water...even tubing so if the 50 something group was over the limit the would get tested too and get charged too. He should have walked away and none of this would have happened. The water looked so shallow and clear why was he snorkeling by them? You side with the killer don't you. He is not old! 54 at time of trial? 52 then he did this! He is not 80! They were kids! Girls and teens. A couple of 20 year olds😢

@@loriolson3191 you don’t even know why he was “snorkeling by them”. Enough said.

He was carrying a utility knife, not a pocket knife. Very, very different.

And why couldn't he walk away? Why did he approach in the first place? Why did he throw the first punch at a woman if he was so scared. I still call bs. He should have walked away.

Evil animal

Two years is actually pretty good, especially with so many witness statements to go through.

The human memory is terrible. These things take time for a reason but our memories are never accurate and only grow more faulty with time and retelling.

They have told their stories over and over to police, detectives, lawyers, depositions, etc. from day one. This isn't the first time they're being asked to tell what they saw.

Same. I live in Sparta and never heard of this before this week.

Especially tubing

Hahah especially looking at his face when he went up to them. He is def buzzed.

@@bubbagasm1 LE testified he was not. The Sheriff himself and a deputy. The kids all were 0.27 BAC (totally wasted). Facts matter.

LOL I thought the same thing. Nobody has just 2 beers tubing.

On youtube they are sloppy drunk ---it's always 2 beers.

My ex was not smart enough to walk away. At 65 yesrs old, he would take on a fight because he was a bully as a young man. They don't change. At 65, he would have gotten his butt handed to him, but he thought he could still do what he did at 18.

Walk away when surrounded by 20 people? In a river? Have you walked in a river?

He’d already walked away once and came back so clearly walking away wasn’t an issue

@@SP_A_C_E_D 6:40 he had no problem walking towards them, nobody forced him to stay or come back and keep being a nuisance

Really? Now the lackeey prosecutor makes sense.😂

But I noticed she was monitoring his beers.😂😂😂

@@marythomas1198 no there wasn't. Nobody in his group heard him calling for help. His wife said she sent people over after she saw him fall into the water. Also on the video you can clearly see he never says a word.

@@marythomas1198 he also said the knife was the kid's, not his, tried to hide it, and tried to leave the scene, lied to the cops. I saw him smiling right before he stabbed those people but I never saw him screaming for help or telling anyone to stop. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I wouldn't be surprised at all that he lied to his group saying he was asking them for help when he absolutely was not.

@@marythomas1198 I also wouldn't be surprised at all that his wife would lie for him on the stand.

@@ashesr7he doesn’t have to say a word(which he did by the way, you can hear the females yelling “it doesn’t matter to him”) and he doesn’t have to leave(which he did by the way and the group kept moving in between him and his group which he was trying to walk to). These punk violent kids we deliberately inciting a mod to attack him and then began assaulting him and the kid who was killed put his hands around his throat. It was 13 v 1 and he had every reason to believe he might be killed purposefully or inadvertently and so had every right to use leather force. Also the kid who was disemboweled was lunging at him at the time. This was self defense all day.

@@jonnysalami692 if it was self defense why is he sitting in the squad car saying "what happened I hear someone got stabbed and I match the description" lol he's a liar and he was angry not fearful

The one curls like the man was trying to guy him

Why would it not be? The victim was there to testify against his attacker.

@@fatee5069 Because the jury had already seen a picture and therefore the only reason to see it in person is to cause an emotional reaction. It does not add any new information, its sole purpose is to cause an emotional reaction which isn't appropriate in a trial. Moreover, the severity of the injury is not relevant in a self-defence case. The question is whether the defendant acted reasonably in the circumstances. If he is found guilty then it is for sure relevant at the sentencing stage but at the trial, it is very inappropriate in my opinion.

Mike you are not helping the lawyer stereotype by being such an evil Cu nt. You should also know that there is nothing illegal about showing the injuries inflicted and your delicate, evil feelings don't factor in here. Life hack: dont disembowel people and big mean prosecutors won't show the scars at your trial. Tu rd

it is on video case closed. Murder and 2 counts of attempted murder. leaving the scene of a crime then hiding the weapon.

I agree with your post.

Good thing you're not a juror.

They are making some hay with the kids on the stand, leading them along and trying to capitalize on every inconsistency (that exists in every case like this). But the shoe will be on the other foot when the body cam and interrogation video comes in with the defendant telling massive lies. Prosecutors typically save the best for last.

@@darwinawardcommittee I agree bit the prosecution is supposed to try and fix it on redirect - and he doesn't! Very frustrating!

@@mangos2888 What makes this trial interesting is it could go either way. Few people at the incident covered themselves in glory that day. There seems to be very little flow or momentum to the prosecution's case.

Thanks for your very informed opinion. What other events transpired that could have resulted in him not leaving the immediate area? I know me and my boys would have helped a 50 something man find his phone, we certainly wouldn't have started bullying him "for the culture" LMAO

Maybe the "2 beers" they all had affected their memory...

It was so fast. They didn’t even realised they were stabbed straight away. I don’t understand all the victim blaming here. They were trying to get rid of the guy - and he wouldn’t leave, then he started swinging. He starts by punching a girl in the face… that’s crazy for a start… why didn’t he just walk away? He smiled when he got the knife out - you caught that right?

It’s normal not to remember. If someone has no doubts that’s when I know they aren’t being accurate or are lying

@@DavidDel88 They were bullying him from the start. Go watch all the video how they ganged up on him when he first came out of the water. I am not saying they deserved to be stabbed, but they definitely were not innocent in all this and had plenty of opportunity, as he did, to walk away before it escalated. They chose not to.

@@loriminnesotaMy understanding is that he was blocking the kids way and he’d also come back to antagonise these kids after initially walking away. You can see on a video that this guy is tugging on their legs in the tubes as they ask him to leave them alone. The kids screamed for help at this point, so much so that another group who didn’t know them ran in to help them. After the kids taunt him trying to get this guy to just leave, this guy starts everything off by hitting a woman in the face. After a retaliatory punch and scuffle, he then pulled a knife out and started stabbing everyone in reach. This could have easily have killed all 5 of these kids. He got lucky that they didn’t all die. I don’t care how obnoxious these kids were. I don’t care if there’s a scuffle. It’s No excuse to stab them all, smile before you do it and then pretend like it wasn’t you when caught. I appreciate not every one will agree with me.

Adults can be idiots.

@@SC-ls3ivbut we consider adults to be more culpable for their idiocy.

I find this argument problematic and a part of the problem of a rise in youth mob violence. Are the 25 year olds kids too? All members of the mob may have limited his ability to leave. They are a mob of adults and adult sized people, not a bunch of naughty children. Stop letting them off the hook, there are no innocent parties here.

So can adults & adults should be taking the higher ground.

Yeah, I don't get it, why engage & get triggered by an intoxicated group of teens, I learnt that ISH by secondary school. Walking away really isn't that complicated.

100% agree

I agree. I've seen that smile also. The eyes darkening and the smile. He made a decision when he punched the girl. (probably a decision that he has made before) My heart hurts for all the people that got stabbed by this guy.

There are a million reasons why he was doing that (smile) he could have been so nervous and scares. Think about it. Think about if your father or husband one day were in that situation. How you will analyze the whole scene, of course you will defend your family.

Amen

The defense loves saying how the kids never yelled for help, but then all of a sudden old man waved and yelled for help, but the phone recording him right in his face couldn't pick up the yell for help, rather a smile and wave as if everything is fine. 🤦🏻‍♂️

The defendent did not walk back to them. The yound adults ran up on him

@@fatee5069 They literally surrounded him. He waved to his group. Smiling and laughing while stressed is common. What expression would you have liked to see? What gesture?

He didn’t walk toward anyone he was walking away from scene and 2nd wave of kids surrounded him

@@fatee5069 Clearly not the case as two people from his party on the other side of the river immediately came over to help him.

So everyone is lying and multiple people on video at the time were making it up?

So he never said he was looking for a phone in the video either, but y'all are preaching that as fact. You know what IS on video? An old man lunging at a black minor and makes physical contact. That alone is enough to raise alarm about the man.

Thank you! I was wondering how long the trial planned to be.

Without the video or baseball bat guy pointing him out to the cops, would he have just fled? Even in the cop car he’s verbally running from what he now claims is legitimate self defense so I kind of doubt he would have EVER told anyone anything if he didn’t even tell his group something in the moment

I thought the same thing! Usually see those wounds with crime of passion or serial killer crime scenes.. I’m so used to seeing the quick straight in and out not inward and upward/downward or left/right that it shocked me.

Let’s stick to the facts about the knife. ​​⁠ 3” blade pocket knife for cutting the ropes tying the tubes it was said. Almost everyone used to carry pocket knives. I still have my Girl Scout pocket knife & those of my late relatives. My mom had an entirely different knife in a sheath for cleaning deer. (Our food.)

The defendant looks terrified to me. Deer in the headlights - pardon the pun. He grew up in Romania in the 70s. Nicolae Ceausescu was a monster.

I've used my EDC ​pocket folder to clean deer, although it's not my first choice. Usually either a fixed blade over 4" or the disposable razor ones (which are awesome, and much better than needing to stop to resharpen every 10min trying to cape an Elk at last light 😉) I think my EDC folder is actually a bit over 3", and I'm sure there's plenty of snowflakes out there that would flip a lid to find a 'regular citizen' carrying such a 'dangerous weapon' around... 😂 The most dangerous aspect here is the behavior of the kids who decided to enact mob justice on someone based solely on their appearance. The whole thing plain sucks and never should have happened! Need to seriously check this latest generation...

@@Grammichalmy dad used his for everything and anything. Imagine that, a simple tool that is NOT an app on a phone.

It's not. He struck the lady first. You can't fake the reactions of multiple people in less than a second.

You would think if one was attacking him he would stab the one who was causing him to fear for his life. But he stabbed multiple people. He had to move around stabbing them. You don’t get to stab someone for yelling at you or slapping you.

You also can't claim self defense if you're the initial physical aggressor in the situation. It's ridiculous. Also the fact none of those stabbed had any signs of defensive cuts... Telling me that they were shocked that he did what he did. Then how he just walks off calmly after stabbing 5...killing 1....floats down to exit... Puts on shirt.. Hat.. Sunglasses.. Trying to leave.. But cops approached him, and he says I have no idea what you're talking about..you have the wrong guy... I wasn't involved in anything. An odd thing to say for someone claiming they were just in fear of life... And had to use lethal force to defend themselves.... Shows me he knew what he did... He knew he fkd up... He knew he was gonna be on trouble.. And wanted to flea the entire river area... and would have if a cop hadn't already been given a photo of the man from one of the teens video... And if that hadn't happened who knows if this man would have ever been caught. I'd expect if he actually was in such fear he would have just ran away immediately.... And floated down river... But even if that didn't happen I'd def expect him to run to the cops immediately after floating down river while screaming and waving for help. But again that didn't happen. He did the opposite. And I'm not saying the teens acted mature. They were being dumb. They were drunk yes. But words do not give you the green light to punch anyone. Let alone a female... And especially don't the give you the right to use lethal force with a knife, just because others hit you and pushed you back off the girl you made first contact with. This jury won't take long imo. Too many witnesses. Even if some of them saw the man use his right arm...or another saw the left arm.. To me it's the fact that they all saw him make first contact. Period

@@ajwysopal really dumb for him to lie to the police. Even if he didn't know there was a video, there were dozens of witnesses, so there was almost no chance he wasn't going to be identified.

​@@randizzle6yes you can stab someone who is even jist TRYING to hit you. It's called self defense. The only people who don't think you should be able to defend yourself from people ASUALTING you are fascists.

@@ajwysopal exactly 100% agree!

You’re all over the place here. Not good reasoning.

Being a group a d bags harassing and bullying ppl js a crime fyi

⁠@@stephaniec5215 because RU-vid comments are known for their academic writing 🙄 He and the teens/young adults had a verbal altercation. He retaliated with violence. It’s not 1st degree because he most likely didn’t leave his group with the intention of getting in a psychical altercation. He lashed out inappropriately and then ran without offering aid. That’s manslaughter at a minimum. If it appears that I’m all over place, no shit? We haven’t even heard the defense’s argument. There’s still lots to take in with this case.

@@stephaniec5215No I am not. So far there’s no convincing evidence for first degree, but that doesn’t mean that the state couldn’t have proved a lesser charge. Also this trial isn’t even done, a RU-vid comment is a reflection of my thoughts with the available information. They don’t have to be well a thought out articulate argument (unless you’re grading me professor) when we don’t even have all the facts. Ugh you annoy me

Just because he fled and got rid of the knife doesn't negate the self defense claim. There are seperate charges for those actions. I agree that it apears neither party acted right, but if the guy was surrounded by a group of young adults assaulting him in water, a reasonable person could fear for their life in that situation which would warrant self defense....