I usually notice almost instantly. Although since he charges fast he still gets t 2, I just don't think this applies to any survivor paying attention. If it is true he is probably really far and charging slower.
Myers may not be the best killer, but he is hands down the most faithful to his source material. When you play as Myers you feel like you're in a horror movie.
@@bigdindonmanrs1128 the way you described this is exactly the way it happens in game. Myers games are true horror playthroughs. Like all is quiet and you’re already on edge. Then you just see him... standing there...
@@mckookie2967 And like Scott said in the video, it takes like 5 seconds to get out of tier 1, so most of the game is tier 2 Also your argument about legion being similar included M&A, so I used the same information to describe Myers. How is that “different”? I used the same parameters as you (dead rabbit just takes it from 8 to 6, so we could even ignore dead rabbit for the comparison). They are still nowhere near the same
I don’t agree, but they are referring how Legion keeps everyone injured with his ability and many play against him while injured and basically he can keep everyone “one shot”.
I mean, it still is the hardest. You need to actively find people, get as close as possible and the times where there are multiple people, only 1 of them will count. You could say Nurse and Blight require more skill, sure, but that doesn't make them hard to get their powers. Purely based on maps and powers, I think Myers is the weakest killer overall. Doesn't mean he is the worst killer tho, as he does play quite nice. This is, ofcourse, ignoring certain add-ons. I can't think of any other killer being weaker than Myers as all of them have ways to close a gap or be able to deal at least 1 health state of damage from distance.
Think it was the hardest insta down which I mean you have buba and hillybilly who get it off rip. Huntress has an attachment where u can insta. And oni you injure and collect blood which there’s nothing to stop from him getting it. Technically it’s not a wrong statement but people were being slow wit sum of the shit they were saying.
@@Predated2 what do you mean actively find people? Isn’t that the job of every killer in the game, to find and kill survivors? You’re making it sound like finding survivors is detrimental to you, when that’s just not the case. Every killers power (except traps) is useless unless you find a survivor, and like Scott said, it’s not hard to get close to one (unless you’re on one of the few very open maps) due to you have no terror radius/ a 8m terror radius
@@Predated2 with oni you actually need to hit them... which in my opinion is harder because you need to actually see them and get close with a 32m terror radius but nobody is saying oni is hard to get
@@TheNorthy lmao I no joke removed the u but I guess autocorrect got me. I'm not natively English so I use both, but I figured there's more Americans here. 😩
These people are severely underestimating Myers’ fun potential as well. You can do so many different approaches with Mikey, jump scare, afk, perma tier III. Each challenging in their own rights, each rewarding when they pay off
@@I_Use_Hacks But u did get the dlc. Maybe if u want one perk from the shrine and are willing to wait for it to come around but most people prob bought the dlc on sale cause there is 3 good perks in it.
@@I_Use_Hacks this is the weirdest conversation ive ever seen. Gaming How is saying that most people have the Halloween chapter because it has 2 super powerful perks in ds and stbfl, so its unlikely that 98% of players wouldnt own myers.
That’s literally true. I Mained Myers from the start (3+ years) and I haven’t played against very many experienced Myers and then when I play him I do perfectly fine. It’s honestly sad.
Myers is one of my favourite killers, and I'm pretty convinced: 1. People either don't know how to play him efficiently 2. People don't like the unique playstyle of Myers 3. People focus way too much on getting a first down In my opinion, with Myers at the beginning of the match, you should focus on getting as much stalk as possible while trying to simply injure survivors rather than down. Most survivors will focus on healing rather than doing gens, and you can capitalize off that big time. Not all survivors are gods, but people fail to realise that.
I agree that his small terror radius is underrated. He give you even less warning then Wraith in some scenarios. Wraith must slow down and reveal himself to get the first hit, while Myers can have tier 3 99% and sneak up on people with monitor and abuse and he doesn’t have to slow himself down to hit them. And then he has a down and at least 50 seconds of instadown that he can use on the other 3 survivors.
The people who are thinking the Tier ups take forever must be stalking at max range, where yeah... it’s takes a long ass time. Just get right up behind them and then stare intensely. Also people are either sleeping on his increased vault speeds and lunge distance and small terror radius, or they just don’t know about them, idk.
Definitely sleeping on increased vault speed. Even looking at the wiki as a new player I went, "Oh 1.48s/1.275s instead of 1.7s? Still slower than a survivors 0.9s medium vault let alone 0.5s fast fault." It takes a relatively deep understanding of the game, or specific examples, to recognize its value. Like that shack window fake tip in the video. I do that as killer all the time, but I never put 2 and 2 together to realize that Myers basically gets an auto-hit from that.
Fun fact, every killer excluding huntress/trapper/trickster/demogorgon use their M1 in some way shape or form in conjunction with their power, therefore making nearly every killer in the game an M1 killer
@@Forslimjims Yupp! But twins is kinda complicated. Since you M2 to send out victor and hold M1 as victor to ounce which is the ability. So twins is like both M1 and not m1
A bit late but I feel like a good buff for Myers would be give him the oni treatment whenever he picks up a survivor he's ability deactivates with a small charge penalty and maybe he is a little bit faster in tier 3 (maybe like 116% or 117% something small but he's power is a bit outdated mobility wise)
@@tacodude83 Yea I see what yoir saying but the way I see it is as more of onis ability. When you pick someone up you are basically saying ok I'm done slugging time to hook its convenient for oni because all you got to do is get more blood to get his power back. I think micky could benefit from that same thought process.
@@xhammerburstx9088 as a myers main I would hate that lol I still want my tier 3 when I hook someone because I ain’t loosing my snowball potential after loosing a gen or two to get tier 3. How I see myers is exactly how I see trapper, loose a couple gens at the start but win in the mid to end game. I mean against good survivor teams you become perk or add on dependent but I don’t think that’s a bad thing because most of the time you’re already running good perks and add ons. A buff for myers I would like would be to increase stalk meter faster the longer a survivor is in your line of sight. This would make his power more useful in the early game. Other than that I don’t really see any buffs personally I need. All looping does is give me stalk and waste pallets for the late game. I tend to get one tap away from tier 3 and when all the survivors are confident they can loop me and I’ve destroyed a good amount of pallets they are fucked lol
@@trevorv7868 Thanks for the input. I'm an oni main so my experience with myres isn't that good I just noticed the similarities of his and onis powers. Me personally I hate using add-ons on killers and I also hate bringing in items as survivor. That's just me but imo if a killer is adding dependent he is in dire need of some changes. Either way Mikey boy needs some love.
But you can say that about a lot of killers. I'd argue that if you look at brown-green add-ons(you know, the ones you can use every single match and never run out) and then their base power, Myers is pretty much the weakest out there in general. Doesn't mean he is unfun, or the worst killer to play, just that he is the weakest of all of them. Is that a bad thing? Well, in his current state, yes, but not because he is the weakest. His fun add-ons can be extremely easy to counter due to him being slower. His perma T2 add-on is practically useless due to OoO. His add-ons are almost necessary to keep pressure in the game(I've mained him for weeks, I never could use the grey add-ons against a full red rank team without losing kills, I can use the grey add-ons on every other killer and perform decently). By those factors alone, having an entire set of add-ons being completely useless and addonless being near impossible unless you face potatoes, just makes it really hard to say Myers is not the weakest killer. Powerful purple and pinks, but that's about it.
Just because Myers was in bottom of otz tier list doesn't mean he's bad it like u forgot trapper and pig who's power are completely rng which u might not get value out of traps and then u have trickster who can do everything huntress and deathslinger can do but way slower
@@shujinko2944 have you seen hag played at high levels? Otz got a 4k against agony, one of the best survivor teams by playing as hag. In that tournament no other killer 4k'd agony.
19 out of 20 times you get out of Tier 1 so fast, like Scott said it takes like 5 sec of stalking. Edit: just watched more of the vid its 6 sec confirmed so i guess my inner clock from playing Myers 1 year ago is 1 sec off. People sure want to make it seem like it takes 15 seconds
I’ve never played as Myers but playing AGAINST him is the most fun I ever have in the game. He legitimately terrifies me and it’s just a great time whether I win or lose
I think that simple buff to make him able to stalk multiple people like in the old days or make his max distance stalk rate something more like 40% or 50% (not the current 10%) would make him a lot better. Or making stalking distance not linear so at 50% range, he would still have dunno maybe 70% stalk rate (not 50%) or something.
For such a big change they didn't mention it in the News tab when I loaded up so I was so surprised when I played a game. It was so new to me and I was on the Game so I didn't even try getting kills.
@@Dro1o1 The sensitivity for controller has been basically doubled, so you pretty much turn at a right angle before the analog stick touches the plastic side
@@Dro1o1 Pre-update, you just couldn't. Post-update, just look far to the side and hold the direction as you swing. Not even sure it counts as a flick but that's how you do it now.
really? you don't know what triangulation is? Im at spot A. Killer is at spot B. Terror radius gets louder, so I move in a direction. If the music quickly gets louder I am running into him, if the music stays the same, I am running away from him. Sure its not a direct 100% line but its not hard to figure it out
Ah, I assumed the survivor was standing still which wouldn't give them enough info to tell direction. Triangulation needs more than two points which is why I was confused
When i first got Dead by Daylight, the first killer i ever played was Daddy Myers. I never really understood the game mechanics yet, only that one of my friends said he was a stealth killer and was very scary to play against and that really appealed to me. I didn't even know who Michael Myers was either and hadn't watched any of the halloween movies, but over time i really loved playing him and started learning more about his character. Eventually i watched Halloween 1978 and it is hands down one of my favourite slasher horror movies out there. And for the longest time, the only killer i played since day one was Myers, i would play some other killers for daily rituals but Myers was the only main killer i would play, with almost 1000 hours game time on him. I can understand why there would be some criticism about him from other players, yeah he can be slow in tier 1, but it's completely true about what you said, the survivors aren't going to know it's you at the start of the game and you'll get half or even all your stalk in just one staring contest. Sometimes you might not always get it straight away and it may take a little longer, but it should never take you more than a minute, otherwise you might be doing something wrong. And with all my experience playing Myers i can say with complete certainty (And this is after playing other killers other than Myers now) that he is one of the most balanced and adaptable killers in the game. Ever since his release the only change that was made to him was removing bloodlust gain in tier 1, so you can't tier 1 bloodlust survivors and they removed an audio cue to let survivors know when they are being stalked. As well as the undetectable status effect change, other than that it has been 5 years that he has been in the game, and has only received TWO Changes to his mechanics. If that doesn't spell balanced in bold i don't know what will. And when i said he was adaptable, i mean that he is very versatile when it comes to builds and loadouts. There are so many perk and add-on combinations for him i consider him to be a great all rounder. Spooky Myers, Stalk Myers, Fast Vault and pallet break Myers, Terror Myers, Fat Myers, Burgerking Myers this list goes on. I might be biased when typing out this whole comment, but i'm sure that when other people read this you can agree with me that these statements are true. Myers is never going to be one of the worst killers in the game. Yes the game is always changing around him with each chapter release but it just gives him more potential with each perk added to the roster. This is why Michael will never be at the bottom or be in the top 5 of killers at the bottom of the list. He's too versatile, too spooky and too sexy to be ever considered at the bottom. He's Daddy Myers, and we all love him to pieces.
@@mckookie2967 u really cant depending on the map and if he approaches out of LOS, i usually use buildings very well, trees, adn everything, not approach in straight line like dumbo KEKW, but i dont play him almost never anyway.
I dont think hes bad, hes just outdated. You keep saying his power is having no TR, but so is like 5 other killers who do it BETTER then myers can do. What does he do no other killer does?
Which would make him the worst Stealth Killer? But not the Worst in the Entire Game. He feels old and clunky to play. But Myers used to dominate for a reason. His snowball potential, and Stat increases are a scary threat (Undetectable Status Effect in Tier 1 [which is usually a detriment tbh...] Smaller than average Terror Radius, Fast Vault Speed, Considerably Increased Lunge in Tier 3, even his Tier 2 Lunge is Slightly Increased). Especially when paired with stat increase perks such as Brutal Strength, Enduring, Save the Best For Last, Coup De Grace, ect, ect. He is outclassed in a lot of ways. But he was decent to begin with. And he can still be decent if not good.
I think the way he was saying that was in tier 1 in particular, that's his power, which leads up to his true power of downing someone with one hit. Which having no terror radius makes reaching said point easier, on top of only taking 6 seconds to get out of this mode of having a "no terror radius" power. You are still right though.
Thats the problem with Myers. His tier 1 is like a weaker version of Pig, Wraith and Ghostfaces no TR powers since he has a slower movement speed and can't turn it on and off at will. His tier 3 is also probably the weakest of the insta down powers.
@@erg1947 Especially with Wraith's recent buff. Maybe Myers should get some of that treatment they both were pretty much left to rot since their release.
Myers was the 1st killer I got and I still don't regret purchasing him. The fact that I can jump scare people in my games is one of many reasons why I love Myers.
Tier 1 Evil Within buff idea: Myers Tier 1 begins every match with a very powerful aura reading ability that lasts 1 whole minute, similar to tier 3. When stalking, Myers can see the auras of survivors up to 64 meters. This will help give Myers an advantage at the start of the match which is when he is at his weakest and will help him get out of tier 1 quicker. Some people may think this sounds overpowered, but this aura reading ability will only last 1 minute and can only be used once since he can’t regress back to tier 1. Myers in Tier 1 now has a slightly increased attacking lunge. Myers in Tier 1 now moves at 110% movement speed instead of 105%.
Reasons why ghostface, even though the code is based on the same thing, is actually different: 1. He can get holes that Myers can't because of his size, there are no holes Myers can use that Ghostface can't. 2. His stalkrate is the same regardless of distance. 3. Infinite stalking potential, killing 1 survivor will not affect his power at all. There are plenty of games where Myers can no longer gain his T3. There is not a single killer in the game whose power gets unusable for killing survivors.
I love playing Myers. However, Myers weakness is overall time to down. At base stalking speed, it would in a lot of cases be more effective to get 2 hits chasing normally than stalking and then getting the down as you lose distance. The only way to redeem this is 99ing your stalk and only popping it when you know you have a safe hit. But at that point you have fully stalked someone (time investment where you could have just gotten normal hits) and outpositioned someone else enough to pop and down them. Unless the survivors ALLOW you to snowball, tiering up and downing someone is likely slower than just chasing them without a power. (imo)
When people say “aware” survivors they are talking about survivors who have eyes and can see you coming from a mile away. It doesn’t really matter if you see each other they’re so far away that stalking doesn’t matter, and it’s also completely possible for them to see you without you seeing them since they’re in third person. You can sneak up on survivors sure, if there isn’t line of sight, but he’s also a basic 115 killer with no extra mobility so it still takes more time to get there in the first place.
Well if you walk into the middle of the map instead of playing to his strength then yea, you would be able to see him across the map but thats not really how you want to play
Make Myers tier 1 move at 110% speed or make it free to leave Tier 1 whenever. Otz's idea was great. Also, an add-on passthrough is needed, Myers is just very outdated. Also, making it so undetectable works against spine chill would be huge for any stealth killer in general.
I think they should make him 115% in tier I, but make it so he's unable to preform offensive actions and maybe lower the amount of time it takes him to get out of tier I. I think Myers can have a weakness, and I love how tier I is fitting for him, I just wish it wasn't an archaic mechanic that holds him back so much.
@@Upsetkiller456, no it would only deny him of very curtain grabs if survivors really don't pay attention. It would keep it as a weakness and keeping the thematic element of tier I. It would take away all the mobility issues and reduce the amount of time in tier I.
Thank you scott. For making me feel better again and cheering me up thank you for making videos man I rlly appreciate it every time u upload an I watch your videos It cheers me up litteraly no matter what u upload u make my day better thank u man
I never have problems getting out of tier 1, but after that I need to get better at balancing stalking and attacking. He's my favourite "slow setup" killer. Edit: as a legion main, seeing someone compare legion to Myers hurt me, but what hurt me more was seeing someone say how legion is fast in his frenzy.
Remind me, does Legion even move faster in Frenzy? There was so much confusing discussion around this, including McLean commenting on it, that I don't remember what is what. It seems like it should be 5.2, with a flat .6 move speed added during Frenzy, but I've no idea if it actually is or not now. :') Sure doesn't FEEL like it. (Also wasn't them supposedly being faster in Frenzy literally why they removed the increased speed in Frenzy add-ons, so like they BETTER be???)
@@makkie_3321 He does move SLIGHTLY faster. Not fast enough to catch up someone on the other side of the map tho and hit them with your frenzy. By than your power depletes and you are pretty muched fucked up.
Myers can instadown, which makes him instantly not the worst killer in the game. Ability to instadown can mean not having to go through 2-3 minute long chases.
I think what he means about ghost face stalking is that he can lean to make it faster, and ghost face stalks the same speed at all distances whereas myres get slower as they are further away
If we’re including all builds between perks and add ons, he can be an absolute monster. Tier 3 with Bamboozle ends a chase almost instantly and no loop is safe, not to mention his extended lunge which makes him way more than an above average M1 Killer
I'm so surprised barely anyone plays Myers with Infectious Fright. This perk is like godtier on him and many times allows you the snowball you need to win.
It was actually popular like a year after he came out and up until last year because people got bored of constantly running the same old scream for myers build. But i agree that it's definitely one of his top tier perks
Honestly I never viewed Myers as a killer that could be good with the hit and run kinda playstyle. Which is probably why I had a really hard in reds with him. This really was an insightful video, thanks
I mean Legion injuring the entire team early game can be RNG if survivors start together or not. And with Myers a good survivor that is aware can avoid his stalk and in loop he has nothing if the survivor avoids stalk.
Even if you don’t get out of tier 1, he is undetectable. He is immune to aura reading and get free hits because if you play that properly, you don’t have to loop. If you have problems getting out of tier 1, try playing with scratched mirror to train. When I first started playing Myers, I couldn’t do anything in tier 1 for 20-30 seconds(albeit I was also a new killer, so game sense was nonexistent). After more hours and a lot of fun games with scratched mirror, half the time I stay in tier 1 longer to get a gen grab, stalk the rescuer for tier 2 and that’s essentially the game. Even if you can’t get out of tier 1, if you know how to make the most use of the undetectable(since aura reading is blocked you can be the list of Myers, wraith, pig, ghostface, etc, so no they do not know that you’re definitely a Myers) they will not know you’re there and may let you get a gen grab even on bad maps(lerys, Hawkins). And of course, tier 3 with instadown and increased vault speed and I linger range allows for some really busted hits. He may not be the strongest(nurse exists), but if you know how to play him he is average, with add-ons he’s high tier(tombstone piece) and he’s damm fun to play.
it really feels like people try to play every killer the same and devalue the killers that play even the slightest bit differently, instead of playing to each killer's strengths and around their weaknesses.
Exactly ppl who say legion power is useless is not true it is useless but at least you can injure ppl fast and also it gives you information and you can get survivor off guard
I remember one match against a Myers on the Game, I started and it felt like within less than 5 minutes he was in tier 3 and had wiped all 4 out. By the time the death screen came up, I was still trying to wrap my head around what was happening because it was so quick
As someone who has mained Myers for years since hes my favorite slasher, glad to see you defending him. I always thought he was simple, fun and a pretty good killer. Usually do great with him in red ranks as well.
Myers certainly does have a weak early game, but so does the Trapper. For the Trapper's power to even have any effect on the game they have to spend the start of the match setting traps, which loses them a lot of pressure. On the other hand, while Myers has less speed and a decreased lunge, at least when he is 'preparing' his power, not only does it take anywhere near as long as setting up four or five traps, he can actively interrupt Survivors at the same time, not to mention he has the opportunity to grab a Survivor and instantly gain pressure. Edit: Also, I don't think anyone mentioned that fact that he has an insane lunge distance at Tier 3 (125%) which can allow him to get hits where most other killers can't. In combination with his increased vault speed (33% I think...?) at Tier 3 Myers can down Survivors even when he is being looped at strong tiles such as shack and cow tree without too much effort.
Definitely NOT the worst. He may be over hyped and not that great, but unlike legion he has massive lethality and can punish mistakes quite heavily, excluding any addons
@@spukman696 I base my tier list off of tournament level teams. Myers is only what ever tier you think if you base it in pubs. Myers against a tournament team is the worst killer in the game and god awful
@@spukman696 He's near the worst, because he's EXTREMELY map dependent. If the gens aren't at locations where you can get free sneaky hits, he's forced to get into a chase. Even with his power, he's an M1 killer in this situation (which is very common)
@@littlejoey9711 sadly, I stopped playing DBD right now but back then I like to play him around this perks such as infectious fright, pop goes the weasel, bamboozle, Monitor and Abuse, and corrupt intervention.
I've found as a killer main Myers is extremely strong at lower tiers, and struggles more at higher tiers. The thing is - he as stated is at worse basically just a standard killer with a lower terror radius. And if you've watched RU-vidrs who are killer mains with 1000s of hours - that's more than enough. They can win with just basic M1ing, powers be damned. Standard M1 Killer+ Is a big advantage! I think he's one of those characters that super benefits from being able to spectate between killers perspective and survivors to see his strengths. The lack of terror radius is a HUGE deal, even on maps where it's hard to hide/sneak up - it makes survivors a lot more twitchy, because they have to be! They're also going to struggle to know when Myers has abandoned the chase with them or if he's just moonwalk around a different corner. This makes even SWF comms not as powerful because they can't callout where he is with as much confidence.
You can say that splitting up against legion is effective against him. For every other killer, yes splitting up against them is effective because it denies them the ability to disrupt multiple survivors at once. But thing is the killer can still use their power in a chase to down a survivor quickly. This is different for legion because his power doesnt contribute towards his chasing potential. His power relies on survivors being close together to injure them all very quickly, which the survivors can deny by splitting up. So not only does the legion lose their map pressure, they also lose their power, therefore splitting up is particularly effective against legion; more so than any other killer in the game. Why did i write this no one asked for this aaaaaaaaa
@@netslamders6803 yea but even if you can down survivors quickly it really doesn’t matter if they split up and do gens essentially forcing you to play 12 hooks you can’t win this is especially present in tournaments where the most common result is 3-4 escapes because of how optimized they play. However 99.9% of the time you aren’t playing tournament squads but still 12 hooks against half decent split up survivors is really hard to get more than a 2k
Before I even watch this, gotta say as long as Tombstone exists he cannot be the worse killer in the game. And I refuse to judge them addon-less, because addons are a common thing every game
@@puppy-isa Damn near it, but I'd say no. Spirit with addons is better than anything Huntress has, and I'd argue that even base Nurse is better than both. I'd believe her being top 3 though
@@puppy-isa Even old iri head/infantry belt isn't better at getting 4ks than tombstone/perma tier 3. Hell, nurse probably doesn't even need addons to be more lethal than iri head huntress. Though, I am assuming like top 10% of nurses/myers/huntress versus top 10% of survivors. You realize tombstone instantly KILLS a survivor and not instantly downs them, right?
Even his stalking addons like J Myers Memorial and Memorial Flower make him significantly less painful to play in my experience. He's a solid mid tier when using those kind of addons, and they aren't difficult to stock up on either.
It's okay to disagree guys you just have to remember that Scott used to be a heavy survivor main so he is probably also thinking of how it is to play against the killers as well.
I understand that people can have opinions on whos the worst killer in the game, but if you are gonna argue with who is the worst killer, you need to have some good backup to that claim. Everyone in this video is saying that his stalk is so slow when its a few seconds. They’re either making claims up for attention or have no clue how to play myers in which case they shouldnt even play killer at all
@@snewp_e2139 everyone has different experiences with different killers, maybe everytime they play Meyers 4 gens finish before they can trigger tier 3 the first time? It can happen to any killer but sometimes you notice it more when you play slow killers that don't have much pressure with. I personally play the worst with legion and trickster so on my personal tier list I'd probably put them decently low.
As someone who mains stealth killers. Myers and Wraith. I don't get how people are like... 'he can't anti loop' He doesn't need anti loop if you sneak up on someone, pop t3 and down them before they can even think of running like, huh?!
