No visible burn in on my aw3423dw after over 2y of regular use. Even using it sometimes for long visual studio coding sessions over the years no problems despite the high contrast UI
I have my monitor on all day, every day with static content, as even if I'm gaming or watching a movie on my TV, I like to glance at my monitor to check on things. I absolutely cannot stand constant notifications on my phone disrupting what I'm doing so I leave it silenced, as most of the time they're not things I want to respond to and the alternative would be constantly unlocking my phone to check things, which is hugely disruptive too. Plus I have a disability in my hands making typing on a phone a chore.
@@cosmic_gate476 same, I game on it (some very OLED-unfriendly like RTS games with static UI), browse on it, youtube and media on it, usually about 16 hours a day (unemployed last 2 years), still no sign of burn-in. I did take some anti-burn in measures though such as a moving desktop wallpaper, dark mode wherever possible, letting the screen go to sleep after 2 minutes of inactivity (which usually starts the pixel refresh) and let pixel refresh finish, a good excuse to make a cup of tea and take short breaks. Very happy with the monitor still.
I moved the RU-vid video to my 4k 10bit panel as I couldn't tell on my second monitor but it didn't help. RU-vid compression makes it hard to see some of the details it's a shame.
Uncompressed vide for RU-vid membership for this channel could be a good idea for fans of this channel, if the creator and community both would like better video quality
@@bobby2643 Be careful with the term "uncompressed" -- truly uncompressed video is basically impossible, it's just a matter of *how* compressed it is. This video is 3840x2160, 24 bits/pixel (3 bytes per pixel) and 60 fps. That's a total of 3840*2160*3*60 = 1423 MiB per second of video. So this video is just over 1 TiB in size (1035 GiB) uncompressed. Tim could take photos and add links to them in the description though -- that would be highly appreciated!
Rtings has sacrificed hundreds of monitors and TVs to do burn-in tests for years. Go check them out if you want actually robust and longer period (and more severely abusing) test results.
No choice in the matter, it's not like he's doing anything to "sacrifice" it, like he said it's a real life usage test. So anyone with the same monitor and same usage is going to have a similarly problematic display in the end
@@pinktuna3693 hmmm...even as someone who works from home, i take an hour for lunch. during that time, I could run a burn-in prevention cycle. realistically this could double or even triple the lifespan of the monitor. after all, the cycle only takes 7 minutes.
I just want to post that apparently if you mention another certain website that conducts extremely large scale OLED burn-in test you get your comment auto deleted. The name starts with "r" and ends with "tings". I'm not sure if it's some sinister plot to suppress competitor or something bad with youtube, but it's very disheartening. I get that HU wants to prevent advertising, but if you can't even mention the name and tell people to check out their massively useful data from years of testing, it's kind of bad.
I cannot thank you enough for this. Reviewers who are constantly being sent the latest model of OLED haven't stopped gushing about how wonderful they are, but they're still expensive enough that most people will be wanting to get several years of return on their investment. If your 6 month burn-in is representative of a typical 2 years of gaming/casual use - it's not just a degraded experience for the original buyer after 2 years, it also seriously harms the resale value of that OLED which is a hidden cost on top of the already very high price of OLED gaming monitors.
monitors in general have very terrible resell value due to the shipping nature of sending a monitor out if you do not have the OEM box it came with. An anecodatal example i can point out that litterally happened last week for my step brother is that he bought a Redmagic GM001S on facebook marketplace for 230$. The monitor is a FALD mini led monitor with 5088 backlight zones thats less than a year old. the listing was on the marketplace for 5 weeks. It shows how little 1. people look at the used monitor market place and 2. even if a monitor was brand new and basically specced far above things you can physically buy at amazon right now (no other monitor in the market has that zone count yet), that the resell value is remotely high.
aye, I know the comparison is far from perfect as this is a completely different use-case, but the overpriced Apple Studio Display will sell for at least 70% of it's original price. These OLED monitors? You're lucky to get 30%, if anything.
You should NEVER count on resale value when you make a purchase. If it isn't worth to you as a completely sunk cost then DON'T buy whatever it is. This will save you a lot of financial headaches in your life, and any time you DO get a resale return it's a nice bonus you can be happy about, not a disappointment because it was less than you hoped for, another mental health benefit. Anyway I'm waiting for gen3 OLED panels because affordable MicroLED is a decade away
Your monitor is actually faring better than I thought it would under those conditions. That is encouraging. I'm going on a little more than a year using my LG 42" C2 for all modes - static work, gaming, video consumption, and I don't see any signs of visible burn in yet, but I do take OLED precautions - black wallpaper, hidden taskbar, desktop icons hidden after 20 seconds, etc, so I expect my LG will last several more years before becoming an issue.
@@kinggaming8372 the oled hype likely played a part in it, but I suspect it's more due to manufacturers salivating at the thought of selling an 800-1000 euro display they know will have to be replaced in 4 years, as opposed to a 300-600 euro one that will last for 10 years lol
Interesting update. Been using my LG C2 42" for 1.5 years and zero burn in. Daily use is web consumption from emails, web browsing, and full screen RU-vid videos. Weekends is gaming. Add in MS Office apps for work and school. I do split screen 1/2 or 2/3. Sometimes 1/3. I do use dark mode and hide my taskbar, plus screen saver set to 5 minutes. Still holding out on getting a 32" 240hz oled monitor for now.
Fixed reticle was replaced with expanding one in all FPS games decades ago. Maybe, if you are playing some game from early 2000s you will get permanent reticle in the center.
Not sure if youtube compression, but the 3 month samples looked by far the worst to me. 6 month sample actually looked somewhat improved and almost no burn in.
Dark taskbar is actually less burned in than the right side where you've had bright background. If "burn in" looks brighter than the rest of the screen that means that the rest is more burned than this part as it was showing brighter image for longer period of time
Yes, a technically more appropriate term would be burn out, brightness degradation or similar. But it is a term that comes from crt monitors, on which, the phosphor literally got burnt in by the electron beam.
@@kosiranzeyou should not expect technical information from average RU-vidr who show you mild “image retention” (the term exists already no reason to invent a new one) without realizing that RU-vid will cancel such defect. That said it should be tested also a recovery not only the damage. LCD can suffer of image retention too, even way worse than OLED, try to display for 1h a fixed image on an LCD and the switch to full gray. In some case you can still read the previous content very well. It is just a “mind” issue. As I said in another comment, if you use the display as he is using you will NEVER notice the issue since you will just use always the same images. If you use it more mixed the problem will just no appears, so still not an issue. I am using an LG C2 both for working, video and games, the only things I am doing is not use full bright (I never had used it, neither in LED display, If I want to see something bright I look at my lamps and I do not find it comfortable) and just change time to time the windows theme with different colors. After two years I have no issue at all, and with 50 euro I had add an insurance for 5y for any kind of defects so again even if after other two years I will start to see something I can change it. Then, as last point, in 99% of case if you can afford 1k+ monitor this means that you are unlikely the person who keep the monitor for more than 3/5 years in any case…
@@IcaniCorrono This is not mild "image retention", this is straight out burn out of the emissive elements. This does not go away. Daily compensation cycles only deal with TFT voltage drift and those are wholly optional, 1500 hour mark wear leveling cycles overdrive parts of the panel heuristically to try and maintain uniformity in parts that have burned out. Every second of every day that you use an OLED, it is decaying. C2 is a common anecdotal evidence star among loudmouths like you, but [RTINGS2023] and [RTINGS2024] has shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that OLED is OLED and OLED burns in, including the C2 which had burn in on 50% greys within 6 months and has a permanent CNN logo now after 18 months. Everyone who claims otherwise is a clown who brings anecdotal evidence to a statistics fight. You can call it the death of the monitor gremlins, "image retention", burn in, burn out. It's permanent damage to the panel. Like SSDs, it has a limited lifespan. And once more, ON AVERAGE (learn what this means), LCDs outlast OLEDs by a big, fat margin. I know your friend Steve's LCD died in 3 months and your dogshit WOLED is still going after years, that's called anecdotal evidence and is worth approximately jack shit.
@@IcaniCorrono though, it is RU-vidrs like these that have a lot of push in how things are called. I agree with your statement, but calling this image retention is also not really explaining what is going on. Image retention usually refers to LCD not being able to completely change the state of the LC after it was in a certain position for a while, and unless it is clarified to be permanent, is assumed to be a temporary effect, though possibly lasting for hours if not days.
@@kosiranze I get what you mean but honestly I prefer to keep the scientific references instead of RU-vidr definitions. And in the case of OLED It is possible to have a recovery, it is not fast but definitely possible in contrast of CRT where you literally burn the phosphorus. Still the results is an image retention, you still right about the time: in one case is permanent in the other temporary. However, in the LCD when you got image retention is because of a defective panel or an aged one. This means that you got visible retention each time you use a display for more than 30/60 min. To me this is more annoying than an issue you have to search for in particular condition after left an image stays for months. For instance I got a severe problem with first iteration of MacBook retina and an IPad, after just one year they become unusable and the replacement become unusable too after the same time. Yeah likely worst case scenario but no one have ever create such a fear as in the case of OLED. In my option this exploded because of the issue on the OLED used for lightning where you literally have a burn in with black spot, but the production process is completely different from the OLEDs in the monitor. In this case you have an image retention due to a different degree of degradation/hysteresis of the single OLEDs and TFT/driver. Which is, I repeat it, possible to recover in such mild case. In the balance the pro are way more than the cons in OLED and there are literally no better technology available rather than micro led which still not accessible and also not available in such size/resolution. Sorry for the wall of text 😅
I have been using the Samsung 49" Odyssey OLED for about 11 months now and i can confirm zero burn in. I am using the automatic hide task bar. and i move my windows around every so often.
LG CX user here. Been using my OLED for over 4 years and loving it. Used it for pc, xbox, playstation gaming, excel workspaces, word documents and RU-vid as well as looking for jobs. Haven't noticed much burn in if at all. That's after 8000 to 10000 hours. Been planning on buying a new monitor for a replacement but this tv served me really well.
yeahhhhh this has put me off buying one frankly, 6 months and 1000hrs really isn't that much, even for light use you'll be hitting that in 1-2 years easily
Only use my qd-oled a few hours a night and I baby it Those results are great for the lack of babying it. Not hard to have power off screen after 10 mins inactive etc.
I'm not babying anything dude... payed 1600$ for the PG32UCDM and as god is my witness that mf is gonna bring me all the joy and work its ass off for that amount of money spent on it. I have all the possible pixel protections activated and pixel cleaning every 4 hours, but as I said I ain't babying a god damned thing. It's a piece of tech made to be used, and if it lasts 4 years without much burn in then ill throw it out and buy a new one and enjoy another 4 years. Not going to be a slave to tech and guard it with my life especially nowdays whene all tech is designed to be obsolete within a couple of years and die on you anyways.
@@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457 weird flex I guess? by babying I mean I have it turn off after 10 minute inactivity and I have wallpapers changing every 5 mins. If you want to have the thing sitting on a static image for 2 hours while you off doing other things, power to you, but I'd rather it remain 100% for the next buyer or friend/family I pass it down to.
To be honest, this isn't as much of a problem as you make it out to be. Just use a wallpaper engine for an animated background, only show the taskbar on hover, sleep after 5 minutes of inactivity, etc. Also, most companies in the tech field give you a company laptop to use for work stuff.
Thank you for doing these, honestly burn in the only thing preventing me from getting an OLED and I think I'll wait for at least 2 years until we get more data
Jesus christ if you have the money just get it and enjoy it man... It's not the damned end of the world even if you do get a tiny bit of burn in in like 3 or 4 years of usage. Enjoy life and relax a bit, slaving away to babying tech you own is just not worth it in the long run.
Thanks for the update. I've always been moving the window separation on mine, just slightly to not burn same area. Hiding taskbar is a given. Put to sleep after 3-5 minutes as opposed to never. I think your results are actually encouraging, and we don't forget about the burn in warranty.
OLED is just another anti-repair and planned obsolescence propaganda. These companies are pushing OLED so people will surely buy new monitors every 3 years.
Not my experience whatsoever. Used Dell machines are ALWAYS on the used market in huge quantities. That’s what happens with equipment that has been used by businesses. A very tiny fraction of the stuff for sale is actually “broken”.
Don't worry too much about burn-in. I got my LG 27GR95QE-B since release and it has over 6000+ hrs of use time. 80% of the time for productivity and 20% for gaming. Zero burn-in.
Yeah, plus expecting it to last for ~10 years, like the LCDs... I wonder what the burn-in would look like after that. And whether it might still be usable, when using the appropriate precautions (dark-mode, changing window-arrangements, etc...)
My 3423DW from December 2022 has slight burn in. Mixed use : youtube, gaming, browsing, etc.. Around 5000-6000 hours. Contacted Dell today. hope a get a new one
Appreciate the update, I've been waiting to get an OLED and I'll continue waiting a few more years until there is some good hardware improvement for the technology.
This was interesting to see and would like to see future results too. I've been curious how these monitors fare these days. Very informative stuff. Thank you.
I have this monitor and I absolutely love it. I’ve had it as long as you have had it and I don’t really see much burn in myself. Then again I use a black wallpaper with no icons, and hide my task bar which helps.
I use a a LG's 27" WOLED since the beginning of last year and it tells me I have 2812 hours on it with a mix of maybe 75% work 25% gaming. It never had perfect gray but it also barely changed. I have the macOS status bar visible all the time and even that is barely visible at night with 1% gray. Even with the test pattern I'm not totally sure I'm not imagining it. You can see some unevenness when dragging a dark window like Discord around but even new WOLED panels have that unevenness so that hasn't changed noticeably. If I leave a white window open for a long time, it starts to shift to blue. It seems to be the TFT though, as it immediately disappears when I move something else over it for a second. I completely lost my fear of burn in. Maybe I'm naive but enjoy it every day.
Yeah if you don't treat it completely badly and don't expect it to last 10 years than it's fine. But understandably people are still skeptical so I hope it keeps improving and that burn in warranties get even better
That's my daily driver, I work on a different PC but outside of that I use it for 5-12 hours a day, both gaming and browsing. 100% brightness with HDR on. 0 issues
WOLED is less susceptible than QD-OLED, that's why LG OLEDs tend to do better against burn-in in various tests. I would suggest anyone who is worried about burn-in to buy WOLED. You're not going to notice big difference in color volume, especially if you calibrate your monitor correctly. I have an LG C2, been using it for 2 years in heavy productivity (10-12hr a day on time with about 40-50% spent on text editors with static UI elements) and some light gaming and there's no noticeable uniformity change at all. You will never use close to max LED brightness because it will literally burn your eyes out before it burns pixels in, so the whole thing with how the monitor degrades under max brightness is nothing but a technical curiosity and will not reflect any real world usage.
@@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu TFT = Thin Film Transistors. Those transistors control the voltage to each OLED pixel and can get statically charged. The short refresh cycle (that runs every 4 hours) is designed to remove that static charge. But you are right, TFT sounds like an old LCD, those used TFTs as well. ;) I could have just said transistors. I wanted to make clear that it is no damage to the actual organic material in the screen, just some static charges.
Usually i don't write comments or leave like but this type of video is just must. For me it's important because i want to upgrade my monitor in next 6-12 months, still these videos is very important for everyone (because other reviewers only show how good their OLEDs are) so thank you very much
As of right now, OLEDs should only be used for content consumption. It is insane to me that it has become okay to sell monitors that degrade within 3 or 6 months. I love the technology, but even after more than a decade, it still feels more like a proof of concept rather than a finalized technology. I would be ok if degradation started to happen within 4-5 years, but 3 months is completely insane. A product should work for you, not the other way around.
Sure they degrade, but if it still looks better than the issues LCDs have with uniformity right out of the box, is it really that big an issue after all?
@@alexatkin Of course, not an issue if you're a millionaire, celebrity or something and you don't give a crap about the environment. Just let the world burn and drown in e-waste...
Yeah, I noticed my burn-in at about 10months. I probably won't bother with OLED as a monitor again. Maybe for a TV if they offer better, and more affordable, large size OLEDs down the road.
This experiment is amazing, thank you for doing it. I'd highly suggest posting some high quality still shots somewhere, since youtube compression is going haywire in the comparison footage.
I've been using an LG Oled TV since 2022 as a content creation monitor and I don't have any burn in. But I take steps to mitigate. I have a screen saver, autohide task bar. use windows dark mode and I run pixel cleaning at least 3 times a month. if I am stuck on the same app for many hours I will minimize and do something else for a little bit or place that app in a quadrant and add some other apps in other quadrants just to mix things up a bit. No issues so far.
same here, LG OLED C1, no burn in. as of right now I have 6285 hours and no burn in. taskbar in autohide too, dark mode always and sometimes I use this monitor for more than 10 hours a day.
I have LG C2 42 for almost 2 years (bought late in 2022). It has almost 4100 UTT (Usage Total Time) checked in the service menu. To date, no burn ins, no dead pixels, no afterimages, just perfect. I bought it for gaming - it is my PC screen, but turned out that I am working on it 3x week while being on home office and most of the time it displays just the web browser and not games. I just left all of the OLED care options default as it was. It seems that LG stuff is really working.
The burn-in curve might not be linear in relation to the brightness (and the heat that is generated because of it). 200nit is close to the panel limit of 250nit. So, lowering brightness to 100nit may not just double the lifespan, but maybe even triple.
I have monitors that are 10 years old and work perfectly fine. Given these are showing signs of degradation after just three months, even tripling the longevity still doesn't bode well.
100 nits would require you to close the curtains on an overcast day. On a sunny day, would be unusable. Expecting people to run a monitor that you can barely see just so you can slow down the damage is patently nonsense.
I got the Alienware AW3423dwf for $699 last week, and purchased an extended warranty for 5 years from Dell's website and they said it covers burn-in so I'm gonna use this monitor the way I want to for that period of time.
4yrs for a product is unacceptable IMO, my 2nd monitor next to me is the very first G-Sync monitor released back in 2014 (ROG Swift) and is still going strong. it sometimes has strobing problems if my primary monitor has a refresh rate mismatch but other than that it functions exactly as intended. Versus my CX died after less than 3k hours use...
Nice to see a test based on real world use. I'd love to get an OLED, but as someone who uses my monitor for office work 20 hours a week and spends another 10-15 hours of web browsing, its time to look at another LED for my move to 4k or ultra wide.
Maybe someday Microsoft will give us a proper OLED mode for the UI where it automatically detects and dims (dynamically changes the opacity/etc.) the static elements so the refresh frequency doesn't need to as be as high.
@@MrDutch1e Would have to see the screens in real life, but it at least seems WOLED doesn't have that much burn in problems. I have an LG TV, we don't use it enough and no static content to expect any burn in, but I do love the image quality. You're saying the monitors have a different finish?
@@skoltr yes they do but I believe these newer panels aren't so bad. On my 27gs95qe the coating was so grainy it made small detail actually look like a lower resolution.
Tim "TORTURES" monitor and "DESTROYS" it with "EXTREME" settings. What does that mean? He just used the screen like he would any other random display and didn't modify his usage to fit the monitors ideal settings. It's the main reason why I hate OLED for monitors and really love this test. Not having to change how you use a screen to keep it from looking bad in a couple years really should be the baseline. I understand why he stresses this isn't the recommended usage pattern but I really don't want to change how I use my computer so the screen I buy for better picture quality doesn't have a worse picture. I also find the idea that people are okay with the screen looking bad in a few years a little absurd. I don't want to change my habits for a piece of tech and I use monitors for more than 3 years.
> I also find the idea that people are okay with the screen looking bad in a few years a little absurd. To each their own. Id rather get 3-4 years of gaming and media out of an OLED display that looks absolutely fantastic, than be using a dislpay that looks bad from day one and can only get worse from there.
What's with all the people in the comments claiming burn-in isn't an issue? It's like people can't except the fact that OLED isn't perfect (no technology is).
Nobody said it's perfect but the fact that all these people claiming burn-in isn't an issue, they have applied some common sense to prolong the lifespan of their panel....it's all about cost vs life expectancy, nobody wants to spend a $1000 plus on a display that's only going to last for a year or two....but you're missing the point, Tim just wants to make it clear that buying an OLED panel for production work is a risky undertaking and that you will start seeing visual burn-in at some point if you take zero care and simply punish it day in and day out...
@@AcesHigh19840417 I can use the monitor for 10 years. Why do I need your OLED? OLED has one advantage over fast IPS - a black background, that's all. About colors lie, IPS is used for working with color and in printing
@@giglioflex I’ve been using an OLED for gaming and watching films for six years and haven’t experienced any screen retention at all. If that’s how you plan to use it, you should be perfectly fine. However, this test highlights that OLED technology might not be ideal for those who spend all day looking at static elements. Frankly, if that’s your main use, it’s hard to see why you would choose this type of monitor, given that its strengths lie elsewhere.
And when the time comes for visible image retention, I’m okay with it. Just as I’ve come to terms with the fact that my car isn’t as good as it was when it was brand new.
2:49 Tim has run 141 comp cycles in 6 months.. while my MSI 321UPX has run 87 comp cycles in 2.3 months, nearly half of what Tim has done. I turn off the monitor whenever I walk away from the computer, and I do have all the monitor burn in prevention features enabled too, so I'm happy to report there is 0 OLED burn in with 9-12 hours of usage per day. Tim has said that he is intentionally burning in the display, as some people are overreacting.
yeah the fact that so many people are saying they dont want these even though they play games and not static webpages is crazy. if you actually have the burn in prevention features on and turn it off when you're going away for a few minutes you'll probably be completely fine for at least a couple of years. not to mention that even at this extreme usage most people can barely even see the burn in still. and thats worse case scenario
bro you do NOT lol need to turn off your monitor when you walk away. I have the original LG 27 inch OLED with over 3500+ hours on it and no burn in. I hide my taskbar, and it goes on standby after so long if no pixel change and I have pixel shift on. It looks just as good as when I first bought it. I do literally everything I did with my LCD monitor. I dont baby it anymore either. I will easily keep whatever on the screen. Even been thinking about just saying fuck it and put my task bar on my screen. I use my desktop a lot but I also game a lot too..
@@progz5232 WOLED is a little more (likely a lot more) resillient to burn in. It's had more time to mature, develop protections, etc. The 27" specifically as well is dimmer than the QD-OLED panels. (I have WOLED 65", the 1st gen 27" LG WOLED, and the Alienware 34" and 32" QD-OLED displays.) The LG is a champion display, the only reason I dont use it is because of WOLEDs issue with near black gamma shift. So its literally just sitting on my floor not being used. I should sell it come to think of it.
@@Lylcaruis Gaming still stresses the panels. Maybe not as much in SDR but lots of HDR content and static HUDS do their own damage too. Just about every game there is have static UI elements that are always on the screen.
@@theripper121 I play like 4 different games on the daily so I mean you're right any static content can do that but as long as you aren't having the same content on your screen for 80%+ of the day you'll be fine for years probably
@kurgo_ it's basically how much time your screen is on, My previous phone was a S8 that I used for about 4 years, I had burn in. The current one is an A52, burn in at the notification bar now
@@kurgo_every iphone I've used since they've gone oled has had the notification area burnt in. Really depends on how much you use it and how bright you keep it. Also it's not really noticeable unless you're in landscape Fullscreen mode.
@kurgo_ my s7 that I used till last year also never had any burn in, i loves that phone and the screen but I left it on for a whole night and a static image and it immediately burned in lol, but at that point I wasn't using it anymore
@@kurgo_ i work from home so i use my phone a lot i average 10 hours everyday i also watch youtube in portrait mode, if i watch in landscape it will definitely lessen the burn in since theres no icons when in landscape
Weird to think that the much hated LCD technology is the only one that doesn't suffer from a burn in. We got spoiled by the LCD, and for that fact alone I praise it.
@@Baron-fo5rc RTINGS has proved with their extensive 100 monitor test that LCDs suffer from issues too. Myself I don't hate LCD, but view it as an inferior technology to show top-quality picture. There are plenty of use cases for LCD.
I'd love to see one of these third party taskbar softwares (classical shell, start all back etc) to have an oled mode. Black back taskbar and maybe a taskbar dimmer that fades if your mouse hovers over the taskbar. Maybe even an element shifter etc.
I use an OLED and I only hide my taskbar when I don't need it. Unfortunately, I don't know much about programs like this. So are there more ways to prevent burn-in?
@@bassyey You can treat it as temporary tool then. I've changed all my monitors long before they were malfunctioning in any way. Bigger resolutions, better matrices, higher refresh rate, adaptive sync, hdr support... There is always something better in new monitors, that motivates to buy them. Ofcourse, they should last at least 5 years, but anything after that is a bonus, when I could have bought a better one.
@@bassyey I shouldn't have to treat my car like a sensitive baby. It should handle dumping the clutch on every intersection, going full throttle over speedbumps and reving it up to the max after a cold start in winter.
Thank you for the this. I was searching a monitor upgrade, and OLED was in top of the list. But as a IT worker, more of the time i was on home officing and using the monitor for daily office work, this definitivaly put end to this search . I think for gaming only its better buy a oled tv .
After watching your reviews last year, I got the OLED G8 last year on at a really good sale price in June 2023. I love the monitor and wanted to thank you for suggesting it if I got it at a good price!
@@evalangley3985Even if the Price is not a problem... Micro Led needs powerful Cooling solution that means a lot of Heat a lot of Noise and a lot of Power. And also they Have 2 Major problems Motion Smoothness and Very powerful Chipset to manage the zones .
If you run it at max brightness yes, but max brightness is eye searing, don't do it, you will get YEARS >5 out of a modern oled monitor easily if you're not a complete fiend.
ASUS ROG Swift 32” 4K Mini LED Gaming Monitor (PG32UQXR) -UHD (3840 x 2160), 160Hz, 1ms, Fast IPS, Local dimming, FreeSync Premium Pro, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 2.1 with DSC, Quantum Dot, DisplayHDR1000 this is better for productivity.
This is honestly reassuring. I no longer work from home every day, so my monitor wont get the kind of use it would have 6 months ago (12+ hours a day). Knowing I'd take care of my monitor and not give it the extremes even if that were still the case, I'm definitely feeling confident in my eventual purchase. Especially because there'll likely be another gen or two of panel tech before im able to buy one. Should only get better by the time I make the purchase.
Just imagine if this was at 300 nits instead of 200... Really hoping QNED (not LG's trademark, but actual QNED) comes out soon from Samsung Display, only reason I have not jumped on an OLED display.
Bought 2 AOC 32“ 4k@120hz after the 3 Month update. Given both are cheaper than one OLED and have zero burn-in issues, feels like it was the correct decision.
You keep mentioning gaming. Most games have static UI elements, which will just as easily cause burn-in. Just like watching TV where you will see the channel icon eventually. Its the old "plasma screen" story all over again. Even watching dvds or streaming with no icon, if you are running subtitles with the ghosted bar, it will also eventually burn-in. Buying OLED "now" is accepting that some burn-in will happen regardless of usage, some faster and more obvious that others.
@@michalko93 Don't need to be 10 hours a day buddy. He is running the screen at only 200 nits full brightness. Imagine if he was gaming with HDR on and the HUD elements were hitting well above 200 nits. I have 2 oled monitors but I haven't convinced myself like so many have here that Oled burn in isn't something people should take into consideration. It absolutely is. Pretending it is not a problem doesn't make said problem simply go away. Oleds are still prone to burn in. And they simply will not and don't last longer than a similar or much much cheaper LED based lcd panel. Some are willing to pay the premium for the better image quality, which is fine, but to ignore the longevity issue of oled is ignorant at best.
This is galaxies worse than plasma in that regard, and why he mentioned mixing up the work won't help at all on OLED. Mixing up the work load like that on plasma will 'clean' the screen as he put it and could easily get rid of anything visible unless you somehow managed to get real burn-in. On the later plasmas gens that would require being on in an airport with a static logo displayed at max brightness for a year straight.
I bought a Asus PG27AQDN (WOLED) after launch in 2024 and apart from the fact that it took Asus over a year to make this thing somewhat HDR viable with firmware updates and the fact that it's not going to get official G-Sync certification (despite that it says so on the box), I don't really have burn in problems. I'm using it about 12-16 hrs a day 50% for work and 50% for contetn consumption. That said my sleep time is set to 10 mins and the screen automatically does fast refreshes automically if its turned off for longer that a couple minutes and I'm using dark mode because it's simply easier on the eyes, I would not recommend OLED for productivity for another reason: Windows still can't handle the sub pixel layout of OLEDs. I don't mind but some people might.
The problem we are having now is that some laptop manufacturers are putting only OLED screens in their quality devices, and these are small 14" laptops that you would never use for gaming. This means that the whole device will be effectively trash by 2 year mark. OLED accelerates obsolescence and should never be a default choice in any laptop.
OLED was their plan for planned obsolescence and anti-repair. Companies just one upped us. They probably don't see people buying monitors that much. With OLED people will buy every 3 years.
Since when is "continuing to do the same thing" considered deliberate? If a new tech wants to be adopted, then it needs to make life easier and better. Not worse. This is not "deliberate", this is intended use of a monitor, instead of baby cares.
It is deliberate because no sane person is going to do the same thing in the exact same way. For example why are motorcycle riders more cautious when riding than car riders? Because there's different advantages and disadvantages that need to be taken into account. This is an absurd example to make you understand the point easier. Not everything can be perfect. If everything were perfect we wouldn't have videos about OLEDs and LCDs. Everything has a compromise/opportunity cost. This video is there to show you what you can expect if you push the limits of the monitor super hard. Think a little bit harder about things man. Idk what you want. I think more choice is always better and videos like this allow people to rest easy knowing what's the worst that can happen when pushing the limits.
@@kaiserfakinaway5909its a screen. Putting all these annoyances to keep the value and performance up takes away enjoyment. Sorry bud but for most peoplethey dont want to encumber themselves trying to protect something that is that expensive
Great update. Despite the dangers you’re also enjoying that contrast and response rate … it’s tempting even knowing the monitor will be mostly junk in 5 years.
He's purposely forcing the worst case scenario. Dark theme and auto hide task bar would completely eliminate the task bar burn in and no constantly having 2 separate programs side by side would eliminate the line on the screen. Your comment means you're missing the entire point of this series.
@@syndan9245 no person with a brain used an OLED for office use tho. He says it over and over again in these videos. These are gaming monitors. Even if they do, 3 year warranty.
He’s not missing the point. It’s still bad. The point is to test for burn-in doing tasks as he normally does them. Separated windows and static task bars are pretty par for the course. It’s his ordinary behavior with an IPS display. That it can’t handle this without degradation is still bad anyway you slice it. Especially at that price.
For anyone wondering. I have the 1440p 240hz OLED asus ADQM model. had it over a year. i'd say i average 4-10 hours of usage every day. overwatch.league.val.tarkov a lot of games really. + work from home for 4 months. no noticable burn in at all. Kept at 70% brightness 6 months and 100% for another 6 month.
It's incredible how much of a difference the brightness settings make. My OLED monitor is at over 3000 hours now and still no visible signs of burn in. Granted I don't do scientific tests like you do, I just occasionally look at color patterns, but still. My OLED runs at ~60% brightness and does go into screen saver after 10 minutes. I mostly do software development on it in vscode, or watch yt videos. Very occasionally some gaming.
my MSI 360hz OLED is now about 3 months old, I use all OLED care functions and hide my taskbar when I don't need it. I also use a black background image to prevent burn-in. So far I haven't noticed any burn-in, I hope it stays that way for a few more years
Its great to see how much further along oled screen technology has progressed when compared to plasma panels. As long as you are kind to your oled panel, then it should last a nice long time with no issues you can notice (even when using it for productivity!).
Been using an LG 48inch OLED as a monitor since 2020 essentially daily and have zero burn in. Couldn't imagine being one of these comments still afraid of using the best on the market and saying they'd never buy one. Best 1100 I ever spent.
You should get in touch with the OEM and hand them their unit, as yours beats the laws of physics and chemistry. All OLEDS suffer degradation due to the way they are created. So get in touch, today, let them know yours is somehow immune. Let them know, and you've solved a very real problem with OLEDS. We will all thank you.
@@williamtopping sorry that I seemed to upset you because I take great care of my unit. It has no burn in whatsoever. Happy to share proof of purchase and photos and video with you :). I turn it off literally every time I leave my room. I have a second monitor for strictly static items. Dunno what to say. I've defied nothing other than your expectations of someone taking care of things they spend money on.
Could you do a „Best monitor for mixed use“ video? I do mostly programming (so no OLED), but I still want good contrast for movies and response time for games. I’m sure this is the majority of your viewers.
От лиц всех геймеров я говорю: Спасибо за твою работу, спасибо, огромное человеческое !!! Теперь мы знаем, что и как будет с ОЛЕД монитором спустя 6 месяц и какие в целом выводы и умозаключения. Очень годный контент, продолжай в том же духе, каждый ролик даёт невероятное количество информации, которая подаётся с отличным монтажом, информативностью, без лишней суеты и воды, как многие это делают, у тебя ролики реально топ !!! очень годно, приятно слушать и смотреть, всё в меру, не слишком затянуто и сбалансированно, реально ты мужик очень хорош в этом деле, продолжай так же стараться !!!
On behalf of all gamers I say: Thank you for your work, thank you so much!!! Now we know what and how will happen with the OLED monitor after 6 months and what are the overall conclusions and inferences. Very good content, keep up the good work, each video provides an incredible amount of information, which is presented with excellent editing, informativeness, without unnecessary fuss and fluff, as many do, your videos are really top!!! very good, pleasant to listen to and watch, everything in moderation, not too drawn out and balanced, you are really a very good man in this business, keep trying!!!
I use mine for 80% gameing / full-screen video, prefer dark mode, with a black background, and didn't have a problem hiding the start menu... also, I have an LCD on the same machine that covers much of the more static workload I DO have.
So, You are using Your OLED like I would use my LCD, but I would use with more work hours, so...OLED needs more like 4-5 years to be useful as daily monitor. Thx for Your work, awesome as always!
Steve's use at 50 hrs+ per week is above average and as he said many times he is doing things one shouldn't do that is putting extra strain on the monitor.
if you do take some precautions (dark mode and the like) you definitely daily drive it. I've been using the Alienware UW dwf for a little under a year as a wfh software engineer using dark mode and I have no visible burn in. Personally I'm fine with getting it RMAd for burn in with the 3 year warranty if it comes to it as long as I can enjoy 3 years with perfect black levels.
@@zorbakaput8537 you might want to redo your math...... he literally says that 6 month burn is equivelant to 8hrs a day for 5 days a week over 38-40 week period..... for his 1200-1500hr period. Ironic because if we devided that over an entire year thats roughly 4hrs per day....... which to be frank is sh*t, most ppl who this monitor is aimed at will be doing more than 4hrs per day for either gaming, consumption or work related stuff.
@@zorbakaput8537 Its not above average for office/productivity, its only above average if you primarily game on a monitor which lets be real here - that's a minority of people using monitors. PCs are still primarily work machines, its just the majority of people watching channels like this will be that small subset of users who are primarily gamers. If you are using monitors for productivity work then "taking precautions" is just not practical as it can impact your productivity. You also have to consider that he is deliberately looking for these problems, is it even noticeable in normal use? In comparison, LCDs have backlight issues in dark scenes right out of the box.
@@alexatkin Even then, I suspect that a pretty high percentage of gamers compared to the wider population are in roles like software engineering and stuff, who might work from home and be looking for a gaming and productivity monitor.
6 months to see the fist signs is kinda shocking, considering all the prevention technologies that are implemented nowadays. One would hope you'd get at least 5 years
He said he didn't enable screen saving measures for this test, personally I'd like to add that higher brightness degrades monitors faster too, not only oleds.
Remember kids, if you want to enjoy your OLED for more than a year, all you have to do is hide your taskbar, avoid all web pages with white background, lower your screen brightness, never do any productivity work without giving your monitor a break every hour, and avoid games with static UI elements which is most of them. You'll love your OLED!
I have an LG CX 65inch OLED used as a Win11 PC gaming/streaming media setup since 2020 July and used every day, it's definitely got burn-in but still very usable
there is one more important problem with burn in - it can't be reasonably fixed and no one's going to buy a burned in monitor. So in 3-4 years OLED turns into e-waste. It literaly expires
And LCD material can get completely fixed: its backlight if some LED fails, the TFT, if some transistors stop; the liquid crystals themselves (these are the harder to get broken, only if they suffer a significant violently punch) and the others layers (polarizers, color filter, etc) can easily be changed.
@@TheNiteNinja19 What? I was using a high end CRT for about 10 years and it was still close to perfect. I ended selling it for 50 bucks. If I had kept it for another 10 years. assuming it still worked, I could have sold it for over 500. It was a large Trinitron that could do high resolutions and high refresh rates which are gold dust on the used market now. I still have a 50 inch plasma that's over 10 years old and still works perfectly as well. Maybe the colors have degraded a bit but it's still fine.
I have a Dell aw3225qf for almost 6 months mainly using for productivity work, using 8-10h a day at least (mostly in work days, but sometimes in weekend as well). Using dark mode in Linux and no taskbar, no burn in so far 🙏. My only issue that I have so far that was my mistake is that I did a very small dent on it that's visible when the screen is white in that area, not big deal though.
I'm not sold on OLEDs as a primary monitor display. You either get burn-in, or you have to constantly think about what you have to do to avoid burn-in. The anxiety just isn't worth it.
Yep. I want my living room tv working without thinking about it. Especially the pc monitor. OLED is sick but only for those who can afford not to care about it. I cant stand people who use oleds then they constantly worry about switching it off
I have and OLED and I have made it a habit of running its maintenance every time I leave my desk, when it gives me the prompt for it. I also always switch the screen off whenever I am not using it. I want to get a family member one but I am not sure if they are willing to remember things like this and not just leave it on 24/7.
@@viking9442To much of a hassle if you ask me. Oled tech still needs to mature/get cheap in order for most people not to be bothered with burn in issue
