@@twntwrs Yes, because Trump is untouchable. Anytime someone criticizes the sacred figure that made up syndrome is tossed out so as not deal with the actual criticism. Even if TDS is true, one still needs to deal with the actual arguments, that is, if one is rational.
@@russellhammond371 It is supposed to be funny Russell is a Trumpian Trumpist Another brain dead so called ‘Republican’ He thinks trump is a good world leader 👨💻
Watch any Finkelstein debate and you will see how wrong you are. Harris is basically an auctioneer about to sell something expensive compared to Finkelstein
@@ethanstapley7018 destiny was also under the impression that this would be uploaded several weeks after it was recorded, mainly because every big name destiny chats with goes through several weeks of editing... like jp talk... or the lex debates... or cant think of any others but those big name debates took too long to be published imo
@@ethanstapley7018 jordan peterson delayed uploaded his debate with destiny for weeks, he later said it was because he regretted the conversation and contemplated putting it up.
Jordan Peterson does genuinely care considerably even if he is likely audience captured. Edit: really I should say of course audience captured, and badly…
I don't know who Destiny is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask. I played a lot of Destiny back in 2014, and I'm a long time Harris fan. Ouch my back!
@@davidaltamirano6828 Destiny is pretty much a real life Big Brother character. He's been streaming pretty much his whole life every day for the last 11 years. So all the good and all the bad that he's done and that's happened to him was pretty much on tape. So if you ever overhear anything about him or his life, take this into account: all of his skeletons are laying in the open, as opposed to most people in his sphere who have well maintained skeleton closets.
@bennymountain1 I think he said once something like he might actually be the person who has the most time of his life recorded and available online. I was sceptic at that at first, surely that person must be some celebrity or politician or a news anchor or something like that. But after thinking for a moment, it probably is him. Day in and day out multiple hours on stream, and he started quite early before streaming was big.
Not only did Trump dispute the election results but he was the first President to not welcome the incumbent President Elect and their family into the White House. Every President, since the history of the White House, has welcomed the incumbent into the White House and peacefully assisted the transfer of power, even the beautiful letters written between Bush to Obama is a perfect example of the professionalism and decency of welcoming in the new First Family. Obama welcomed Trump. trump did not return the favour. Speaks volumes on his character.
No, speaks volumes of how rigged and disgusting the 2020 election was. You care more about formalities than the fact that a president was almost assassinated and the Democratic Party coordinated with the deep state to allow it to happen. Mark Zuckerberg came out with a letter just 2 days ago admitting that Biden/Harris pressured Facebook to censor Trump and conservative political actors.
@@krisjones4051notice how you cannot engage on the merits of trumps behavior and his breeches of essential American political tradition, so you have to pivot to the FBI and the media. Do you have proof trump won?
@@Dan.p. I think his statement was along the lines that he would prefer Joe Biden over Trump even if it were shown that Hunter Biden had dead children in his basement, or something like that. His point being that he’s not going to judge Joe Biden for something terrible that Hunter Biden has done.
@@Dan.p.trolly problem. Who Trump is surrounded by would cause more harm to the entire country and possibly reaching out to the world. If you’re paying attention to what’s going on, you would NEVER vote for trump.
Say what you want about Destiny, but he's made it to the big leagues. Not that Sam Harris is the biggest platform, but because I feel it's a level of intellectualism I didn't expect him to be acknowledged to. Props to Destiny: Keep up the great work. 👍
@@julius43461 with all due respect I don’t think many people have the same personality traits, resilience, and work ethic as destiny. He’s kinda unique in that he’s been on the internet for 15 years debating people and can wade thru controversy after controversy unscathed and even coming out on top at times. Not sure this applies to most people lol
@@ItsameAlex Don't know who Tracey is. But I know I can ignore any comment from a ..."special" person such as you for uttering this travesty of a thought.
Destiny - This was really helpful. I have been doing a bit of what you are doing now on RU-vid comment sections. One thing I have been trying is to focus on Trump’s actions during the mob violence. He did not go to the Situation Room, or call anyone to get reinforcements to the Capitol Police. For me, that kinda proves definitively that when he said “peacefully protest” once in his speech - versus “fight” 19 times, he meant for them to be violent (otherwise he would have called to fix the problem). And I agree with you that it is really hard to teach enough about reality and norms and fallacies to get folks to a point where they cannot quite get there. Keep up the good work.
@@NightmareJessie This is exactly what I'd expect from a Destiny supporter. This is what his audience consists of, and why his brand of 'intellectualism' gets 'views'.
@@KenAttenborough-d6y Destiny is the king of snarky midwits. He’ll show up, mispronounce a few middle school vocab words, tell people he slept with their moms, and his fanbase will consider it a dub. It’s remarkable.
@@KenAttenborough-d6y you've so far added nothing. What you expect from destiny viewers is to ask questions? At least articulate what exactly you found that was problematic in this conversation
@@Draigon18 What are your thoughts on what Destiny said about the unaliving of Corey Comperatore? Do you think it was a productive thing to say? Was it a good step to ensure that we can close this horrific political divide once Trump is gone? What do you think moderate liberals who have moved toward Trump in response to the irrational and discriminatory ideas of Critical theory, would think of his comments? Do you think they even they are going to feel as though there is some hope for mending bridges in the future?
@@KenAttenborough-d6y Unfortunately conservative humour tends to be to find someone who is losing at life and shit on them. This will always create a horrific divide with people that think they can help people that are losing at life. Go watch some stephen crowder humour and its all just making fun of people that are not doing well.
@@stevegaspar I can see you don’t like Sam/Destiny/both, but I purchase books of authors I disagree with in order to understand their thought process better, this is simply an extension of that in audio format. You would know all about listening to those who you disagree with otherwise why are you here, right? It wouldn’t be for childish reasons I am sure of that.
@@tannerhagen774 I think they were possibly meaning that they paywalled a discussion/debate you can see anywhere for free on this topic. Plus the people who would complain about this is poor people and people stingy about their money. Also Destiny has debated that topic and most likely anything Sam Harris will ask destiny or rebuttal to what he say's hardcore fans most likely have heard it. I personally am going to find the full discussion for free somewhere because I'm in the poor class. If I had the money I would pay to hear it(poor person mindset).
True, very true. I would say the exact same thing about Harris and Destiny, their insults to your intelligence are harder to read but no less real. And, just exactly like Trump, oh how they'll flatter you, and call you a genius, if you'll just agree out-loud with their vicious nonsense.
@@27Pyth Except that neither Harris nor Destiny are pretending they are qualified to occupy the most important job in the world. And neither Harris nor Destiny have been described as utterly incompetant and unfit by dozens of the top people who worked directly for them. Including...but not limited to...Trump's secretaries of defence (plural), his chiefs of staff (plural), his secretaries of state (plural), his homeland security secretary, his transportation secretary, his agriculture secretary. Not to mention his own vice president...and hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands....of (former) members of the very party he claims to represent!
@@27Pyth I don't watch Harris much so I can't say but Destiny isn't one to flatter people much and I certainly can't recall Destiny using the term "genius" to describe anyone. Trump usually doesn't flatter people, but he certainly likes people who flatter him. Trump is known for doing the opposite of flattering people which is that he loves insulting people.
@@27Pyth Ah, a contrarian troll, how common and lazy. Try a new tact, that one lost its effectiveness at least five years ago, you are behind the curve.
@@KenAttenborough-d6y I don't really like Destiny's edgy or unhinged side. I don't think it does much good at all so I'm not too big a fan whenever he goes crazy. But I majorly agree with both Sam and Destiny that there is a big double standard when it comes to condemning violence. Conservatives should not be pearl clutching when they're responsible for the vast majority of the violent rhetoric in the country.
@@DannyIMCFtotally agree. I wouldn't joke about it full stop, but I agree with his sentiment that conservatives don't play by the same rules (Paul Pelosi attack, and although not a political figure many people joked about George Floyd).
The people in the comments complaining about how Destiny is intellectually beneath them are just arrogant and missing the point. The majority are just not as smart as these arrogant people think themselves to be so we need people at all levels to help stop people from falling into the wrong online echo chambers. Destiny isn’t dumb he just offers something different than Sam which makes him able to reach and get involved with a different group of people than Sam can which can only be a good thing.
Been a huge fan of Sam for 15 years, Been a fan of Destiny for several years. Wanted this for a long time, listened to the whole thing on the premium Spotify sub and it did not disappoint and my humble prediction that these two would round each other out quite well seemed to be a no brainer and it did come to pass. I hope Sam comes on Destiny stream and/or "Anything Else".
Wow... As a paid subscriber to 'The Making Sense' podcast, I would never have predicted this interview, but I got the feeling that Sam truly enjoyed tossing ideas back and forth with a (mostly) like-minded debater.
Oh no, we need to platform him and have him monologue on "Making Sense". Its just what a well educated man has to do to educate the common folk on issues they can not wrap their tiny little heads around.
If you can define "wokeism," then I may agree with Sam Harris. Black folks have been saying "woke" for years and not a soul batted an eye...now all of a sudden it's a problem. Other than that, great conversation! This and Destiny's convo with Marc Lamont Hill have both been some of his best content.
Just goes to show how we have failed morally. Destiny should never have been platformed by someone like Harris after his Comperatore comments. There are vastly better people out there.
@@Carvaka This is exactly what I'd expect from a Destiny supporter. This is what his audience consists of, and why his brand of 'intellectualism' appeals.
Two of the very few honest and deliberate people that I'm aware of finally meeting, a "Being There" reference, and something to look forward to. This was a zen garden in the memetic dystopia that has engulfed so much.
One thing to take issue with Sam Harris when he states that "Kamala Harris' unworkable idea of a wealth tax". First, this is not Kamala Harris' idea - this is an idea that came from respected economists and is in practice in some countries, as stated in Wikipedia: As of 2017, five of the 36 OECD countries had a personal wealth tax (down from 12 in 1990). But, just as an example, the real estate tax is a wealth tax. There is a major crack up in global civilization that will occur if there is not some kind of leveling wealth tax.
@@whatsthatnoise5955 I don't know if Sam Harris is really wealthy enough that he would fall into a wealth tax, but if he is, too bad, tough toenails for him, he could pay it without any pain if he was a billionaire or multi-millionaire. That's the point.
Thank you! I had the same reaction. What is he even talking about? Massachusetts has implemented it. And Sam argued for a one time wealth tax back in 2011. What gives?
@@thatbetterworld I'm kind of guessing that Sam seems to have rejected ( rightly and courageously ) a lot of his far-right extremist peers, and slips in attempts to try to compromise with the right by accepting some of their tenets, but honestly, I don't know. Saying a wealth tax is unworkable is curious. Does he mean the tax itself would not work, or trying to get one passed in the US is politically unworkable - unless one wants to get totally destroyed or even assassinated?
Honestly more like 8 years ago. I remember telling Destiny this and him calling Sam a R word because he used to dislike Sam without critically engaging with this views until now. Destiny is the slow one to come around to this by taking more time to think about another position instead of being immensely judgemental without context.
I dismissed you years ago because I was in more lefty circles, and you were kind of grouped in with the IDW. You slipped through the cracks while I've gotten out of the lefty brain rot. This talk with Destiny (who I watch and pulled me back towards the center) put you back on my radar.
@@NPC-fl3gq The very far left (socialist and communist types) constantly attack him and paint him as a centrist or right leaning grifter due to his takes on capitalism, gun rights, BLM rioters, trans athletes, you name it. I'd say he's far left socially but only moderately left leaning economically.
@@broobit7540 When you say that you were a lefty and that destiny pulled you back towards the centre you are, 1) saying that destiny isn't a lefty, and 2) that he's to the right of the left, which makes him more of a centrist or, failing that, on the right... and given that you're unlikely to believe he's on the right you must mean he's towards the centre. Simple deduction.
Great point. This is the thing that distresses me most of all about Trump - that some of the smartest people I know seem committed to making sure that one lunatic gets everything he wants. The other amazing thing is that everybody Trump touches is destroyed yet they keep lining up for destruction.
@@meyercutty202People in Trump’s orbit are put through the paper shredder because the administrative state absolutely hates him and they are easy targets.
Sam Harris is a smart guy. But yet he is so infected with bias regarding his own political views that he makes a statement like this: “ I noticed and appreciated that Kamala Harris pivoted to the center. I hope she is able to stay there.” He says this as if there is something genuine about her doing that, rather than the blatantly manipulative maneuver that it is. Really Sam? We’re supposed to take you serious?
100%. Why would she have supported all of Biden's policies for the last ~ four years? Does Harris forget Harris's support for Biden's policy on the border? Or even her renegade "defund the police" Does Sam forget his own, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IgL1bnAvo4Q.htmlsi=7Q_abVuGnt5uEKpY&t=780 ?
Isn't that what you want from a politician? Shift their positions so they better represent what people want? Are you really going to hold it against Kamala that she represents her voter's interests over what she may privately believe?
@@faketheo3432 "Isn't that what you want from a politician? Shift their positions so they better represent what people want? Are you really going to hold it against Kamala that she represents her voter's interests over what she may privately believe?" Seriously? "Are you really going to hold it against Kamala that she represents her voter's interests over what she may privately believe?" You've got to be kidding me. What kind of bulwark against tyranny is that? How would it not be far preferable to have a candidate who could conceive of wise policy and advocate for it in the face of mindless clapping seals who demand moronic policy? It might benefit you to listen to Sam in his episode titled, "What I Really Think About Trump and Media Bias (Episode #293)" beginning at about the 13-minute mark. Sam does have a way with words (despite his tendency towards sophism concerning Trump). In the clip referenced, he says, "Do I think the phrase defund the police is one of the stupidest ever uttered? Of course." And yet, who was on board with the "defund the police move?" You guessed it. Kamala herself. Either because she was too dumb to see how stupid it was or because she was acting per your representation of "her voter's interests over what she may privately believe?" Either way, it is disastrous.
These 2 think they’re so smart, and such geniuses, on top of both of their individual claims of having a greater purpose and greater intellect than the common, yet somehow don’t have the most basic form of empathy to understanding half of the entire US population.
@@delcan007 No need. It will never happen. Even this was a waste of Sam's time. Destiny is a performance artist who's figured out how to make money pandering to the lowest common denominator.
To answer your question Sam about how someone who is in the middle can decide to support Trump after having the knowledge that he didn't allow for a peaceful transfer of power: 1. Kamala Harris reminds me of a CEO who's on live television while their companys stock is plummeting telling the news that their workers "don't need severance packages if we go bankrupt because we've never been stronger as a company" - *and this company proceeds to file bankruptcy the next morning.* In other words she reeks of the same lack of honesty as Hilary Clinton did. Biden didn't have this problem. 2. Trump was president before. And things didn't go to shit. *At least they didn't for me.* If when Trump was president my job was suffering and interest rates were through the roof and food was 50% more expensive I'd be that much less inclined to vote for him. That wasn't the case during his presidency, it was and is during Bidens. Trust me I'm well aware that is looking at it through a very surface level lens - but that level of depth is all I have time for as a american with family, a relationship, a job, rent, and plenty of other responsibilites. Especially when the location of accurate information regarding the effectiveness of a president is hardly evident anywhere. I don't know where to look for accurate information on how well a president has performed... Wikipedia? I look at what is going on in my life cause I don't want to waste my time on bias people talk. YOUR'E one person who I follow who I feel tries their hardest to not be bias, which is a huge reason why I listen to you. Destiny? Bias as hell, controversial cause it makes him money and gets clicks. That's how he's sounded to me 99% of the time that I've heard him talk. That's how most people in the middle feel about 99% of people talking politics. 3. The last thing is - Trump at least shows some charisma and confidence, Kamala retreating from any debate or a discussion does not help me have confidence that she is the person to run the country. If she doesn't have the confidence to have a serious discussion under pressure then how does that make our country look to the rest of the world if she is our leader?While Trump is an ego maniac, full of himself, and narcissistic he at least does not seem to lack the confidence to LEAD. Even delusional self confidence beats no confidence. I want to feel confident in my country, like my country wants what is best for me and every citizen, I don't want to feel like my country is playing me for a fool or that my country is outsmarting me, I don't want to feel like my country is virtue signalling and pandering to me, those these get under my skin so much.
Your last paragraph should be the reason you vote for Kamala. Trump is nothing but empty populist pandering. Is hugging the flag and holding a Bible upside down not the textbook definition of virtue signaling? Also just as a statement about reason 2, the president has very little to do with the economy and c0v1d caused global inflation, of which the US was on the better end compared to other nations.
Having listened to the full conversation, I knew the Israel-Palestine disagreement was exactly where this preview was going to cut off lol. The full thing is worth listening to!
Its incredibly frustrating to watch spinsters who have no idea about the inner workings of the military have personal conviction in Walz not deploying. -He submitted his request for retirement prior to the unit being activated for deployment and it was approved... -He was an E9... he likely only ever interacted with "frontline troops" (MN NG unit, not the 82nd) during recognition ceremonies and unit administrative events and would have been the same overseas... -Above all, he was a senior enlisted member of a STATE NATIONAL GUARD UNIT. They all swore an oath to the Governor of Minnesota not the office of the POTUS. Is there George W had no business making an executive order to send NG units to a foreign country to begin with
I've been trying to figure out what to make of this “Destiny” (Steven Bonnell) guy when the only real thing to recommend him is that he is a Liberal Left of Center guy who I often agree with and who sticks it to some of the folks he is debating with. The flip side of that is that, no matter how much he knows and facts he can quote, as Sam pointed out that he is totally off-base when it comes to the Middle East and Iran. It makes me feel like he is being manipulative towards his audience in terms of not letting go of some kind of attachment to the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims. Sam is so obviously clued in to the reality of what Israel faces while "Destiny" ( yuck ) plays the Ben Shapiro game of talking super-fast and quoting HIS facts so he can flip around or overwhelm his debate opponent. I was unimpressed and even at times repulsed by his argumentatative-debate-macho, and interpersonal political skills - like where he sounded like he was manipulating Candace Owens, who is a complete loon. Tell me where is sanity? The best I can see is Sam Harris. I find it hard to find something to disagree with him on. I did agree with Destiny about his perception of the scale of threat of the Right-wing versus Wokeness, or what Elon Musk calls the Woke-Mind-Virus, which I find disgusting and only a way to attack the Left. Stop attacking these people or groups or imagined groups and start focusing on facts, history, perceptions, debate, which we do not get enough of. When people delve into Middle Eastern history it is often at first interest in finding out more, but then it becomes like a super-power of being to throw up an argument to support their opinion or defend their predjudice. I don't think Destiny has any conception of the MIddle East outside of the arguments he's had with people on Social Media. I could of course be wrong, but that is my gut feeling. What do you think?
@@jmc5335 I think that comment is more about you than anything else. Attack the person because you hate Jews or some such. If you had something to say why not deal with facts instead of highlighting your own prejudices, that you don't even have guts enough to express?
