Dementus Is a Superior Villain Compared to Immortan Joe 

Absolutely! I would never argue how terrible he is at managing and leading his people. He sucks.

Dementus is a raid captain, brilliant at tracking, attacking, and pillaging, but not an organizational mastermind.

“I’m like a dog chasing cars, I wouldn’t know what to do with one if I caught it”.

Most "Conquerer's" make terrible politicians.

Pretty sure he was in control a lot of the time. The Octoboss going rogue was probably his idea, the riots at Gastown were probably faked, his plan to get all three was only foiled because Furiosa got back to the citadel otherwise he would be ruler of the wastelands

Very well said. You really don't need any more context than.

​@@ajzmaI agree with this. With him being such an omnipotent leader, his entire fortress is a reflection of him. We aren't spoonfed info on him but we don't need to be

Dementus is my favorite character now. Only behind the kid with the metal boomerang.

That's one way to take it, but that's a reach. Joe did create the world around him, but that just begs the question as to how, and I don't mean that the answer needs to be explicitly given. You can pepper info about a character organically through the story. If we had been given an imposing and intelligent man who you could buy into having made the world you say describes him, that would be one thing. Take into account, however, what we're given the first time we meet Joe in Fury Road: an ailing, crippled, polyp-covered man. And then the audience is expected to just take it on faith that this guy could achieve this vast empire? That's just bad writing.

@@greatwhiteapereviews It's not bad writing. You think power only comes from physical force? By the events in Fury Road, Immortan is an aging king, but the point is that he has curated such a devout following and such an omnipotent rule that it doesn't matter. The story starts where it starts. It's not wrong to start the story in a place that leaves YOU wanting backstory. That lack of backstory really doesn't leave us lacking for information on Immortan unless you pay like ZERO attention to the whole film.

Well, actually......this makes a ton of sense. Well said.

Immortal Joe’s use of water regulation and distribution is severely lacking … 😦

Which is funny, because Joe was a military man and Toecutter was a former academic. Makes me wonder what Dementus did before the apocalypse.

​@@kikrinman1450What's ironic about that is that the actor who played toecutter returned to play Joe. It's the same guy

​@@kikrinman1450 isn't it obvious? He was a doctor XD

While I won’t argue the inherent evil of roping a child into a breeding harem, I don’t recall much else. Again, the evil and godlike persona were already there at the beginning of the movie.

I havent seen the movie, did the guy they got for the role or Immortan Joe do a good job? I know the previous actor unfortunately died and he was incredible in Fury Road

@@armintor2826 he was an epic version of Joe in his prime: clever, charismatic and menacing at the same time

@@fel_zharostI’ve seen people compare him to Darth Vader and that’s kinda the vibe I get

@@ItsButterBean1020 except I believe he was a much more pleasant guy to his subordinates, from the movie you get the idea of why everyone was so loyal to him and why his partnership with People Eater and Bullet Farmer was fruitful and mutually beneficial

I think we see more brutality from Dementus. Torturing Furiosa’s mom, the killing of other gang leaders via bike quartering, how he killed Praetorian Jack.

Dementus is forgettable even as a one-,off .⁷

claun, nothing else

@@MaximusR93 Good point.

@@MaximusR93 Nothing takes the cherry on top like the rape and torture of Miss Giddy ... They even cut it out because they thought it was too heavy.

I agree with this.

Like how the villain in How To Train Your Dragon 3 was what Hiccup would have become, had he killed the Night Fury.

Good point, and I think this happens thanks to Chris hemworth, he did pretty well

Except Genghis Khan was a capable ruler though.

I said the same thing!

I can kinda see that. Robert could've been a Good king if Lyanna had been forced to marry him. But maybe he was destined to drink and whore his life away. We know he was a great warrior and a decent general even. Have you read the books? Before taking the throne, before Lyanna's death, he WAS a good leader. Not great. But good enough so that Jon Aryn could rule well in his name and avoided war of five kings. Robert gets a bad rap IMO. The man that was to be king died with Lyanna but there's a good chance he would've turned into that person no matter what. He seems the type that would've taken her for granted and would've skull-humped service wenches three at a time even if his queen were a 'hauntingly beautiful' but slightly aged 40/yr old mother of four Lyanna. (There'd been a fifth; Rickon. He died as an infant and she - Lyanna - was never the same again). So despite having a gorgeous graceful, witty, enchanting, outspoken, northern wolf queen, he fucked painted whores. Bc she kisses his kids goodnight with that mouth. You don't do such things to a queen nor a lady. Like many of us, Robert sees what has passed, what's gone forever, through rose colored glasses. Everyday the past looks a little brighter and the future and little dimmer. And then someone would kill him. Maybe magically thru skin changing into a boar and mauling his fart ass fat ass

Kind of reminds me of my dad

Nah, other way around. Dementus is Robert Baratheon, an alpha male who is good at killing but bad at ruling and is in a steady decline. Immortal Joe is Tywin, a gifted strategist who is able to create order out of chaos through means of focused cruelty.

​@@Redfield982 100%

I’ve heard.

I’m not sure I follow. It seems like you’re using EU content along with the pre-established world to explain why Joe is a good villain. The point of the video was to show that these things are insufficient and create a poorly fleshed-out character when you take Fury Road on its own merits.

"I am your redeemer" "It is by my hand that you arise"

@@greatwhiteapereviews The reason why I say this. Joe is old and sick and he is considered a divine figure. That is still tactics in a different way, he did what he did to hold on to control. Joe is also much more calm and relaxed vs Dementus who is loud and reckless. Joe knows how to run things as well vs Dementus who ran Gastown and the Bullet Farm into the ground in Furiosa. You might say his goal was to take the Citadel, that shows how reckless he is and does not care about anything he achieved thus far. You also mentioned Dementus is tactical. Joe took the citadel away from the one who held it and he led the attack. Dementus could not do that.

Yeah and Dementus lost control of his people too

Agreed on all accounts but personally I think Dementus was completely overplayed and overhyped. Yes I support the fact that was a main selling point of was part of the movie's marketing drive. Hemsworth gave a descent performance from his end but there was only so much he could it with. For me it was a post apocalyptic female centric Conan with little pay off can't help but think it would've benefitted more from being a mini-series via Stars Network. Given it's episodic format and would've been less of a slog for audiences if broken down. I think the future for the franchise for cost, production and reception's and even survival's sake is best adopted in this format. In fact, I think a Mad Max OG mini-series called Mad Max - Maintain Right would be good with a young Aussie/Kiwi Mel look alike in the role. With a younger Max and Goose a pair of young tear aways being drafted Foreign Legion/ National Service style to serve in the MFP 10 years earlier. A kind of police procedural action drama with Max meeting his wife and it wrapping up with his kid being born and full of hope with the audience already knowing what's to come. It makes it all the more heartbreaking.

I wouldn’t call religion per se a spell, but I see your point.

That dick measuring contest between the two extremely charismatic warlords was also my favorite scene.

Dementus: Hope, Trash. There is no HOPE!!!

Better villain in Furiosa..in fact yes he is, he’s the main antagonist

Ils sont tout les deux hyper fun regarder comment immortan Joe va assimiler les meilleurs lieutenant de dementus

​@@la213blancook? And?

@@papabird4425 ok and what? I don’t wasn’t talking to you

@la213blanco I don't not even kmow what u is be sayin so whateva cuhhhhhh

More psycho Hemsworth please

Furiosa, as her movie shows us, single-handedly defeated Dementus like a boss. Little over the top in my opinion granted she had extreme motives. Immortan Joes demise in the other hand in Fury Road, was a result of Max Rockatansky joining forces with Furiosa. It seems she has good instincts in which men she trusts despite the entire world of men that constantly destroy her life. I’m honestly surprised that Furiosa doesn’t hate all men on sight and find them undesirable sexually given her unfortunate experiences since a young child. But that’s probably thinking about it too deeply🤷🏻‍♂️I’m rambling 😂

@@la213blancoyoure weird for making it sexual

George Miller recently said in an interview that he doesn’t have any stories where Mad Max is old, so no Mel Gibson. That freaking sucks.

@@greatwhiteapereviews yeah, that’s supremely disappointing.

Would love that tbh. Mad Max - Exodus. You could explain that Hardy's Max was one of many pretenders who actually believed themselves to be him absorbing the legend into thier minds. Max comes out of Ths Wasteland thought to be lost to time and tales. He wears a crude homemade the badge of Maintan Right again of the MFP deputising those who would follow him to finally tame and settle The Wastelands so that some new form of civilisation can begin.

That's why this movie sucked ass Lol

@@greatwhiteapereviews because that sounds boring as shit, the real mad max is whoever George decides it is

So why do the war boys follow him?

@@greatwhiteapereviews because he's running a death cult of personality. They view him as their God-king. he provides them with food, water ( and despite its rudimentary nature) medical treatment, as well as a sense of "immortally" as long as they appease his will. He offers a them a better life by living in the citadel, and something to die for. Why wouldn't they follow him?

@@greatwhiteapereviews he was running a cult of personality.

@@greatwhiteapereviews because he's running a cult in addition to having all the water/food

@@axt2 those are concepts the film gives you. The point is how does he maintain it considering his state. He wasn’t doing that much better in Furiosa. You basically have to ignore the character himself and instead look at everything else.

Just real quick, yes she’s written to be the ultimate baddass woman in the world of mad max (which is over the top at times in this movie but not completely unrealistic), however we do see her trusting two men and two men alone in the wastelands:Praetorian Jack and Max Rockatansky aka Mad Max aka Road Warrior. Only God knows why, because given Furiosa’s hailing from an all female society (they can’t breed with each other so there has to be some men there) and her unfortunate experiences with men who constantly destroy her life for their selfish gains really begs the question…why isn’t Furiosa a misandrist? It would actually make sense seeing how she is only uses men for survival purposes further her agenda. Jack likely had a romance with her and she even wanted to bring him back to paradise. She tolerated Max and trusted him and in the end Max saved her life and gave her a better future by letting her rule the citadels after Immortan Joe’s slaying. Conclusion: she’s clearly…she not a feminist. Not even written by feminist writers. She just has plot armor, and leading female blockbusters (especially sequels) have a history of bombing in the box office despite the feminine idealism in Hollywood thinking diversity in film is necessary 👍🏻

Furiosa, and fury road, are absolutely feminie power movies. And they are some of the best ive ever seen. Theyre in a tier with aliens and terminator. Miller has always, throughout the series, looked objectively at both masculine and feminine natures, without attacking either. There is some archetypal mythology going on in these films. Furiosa was absolutely not a mary she. She got a full on heroes journey. I found that her character arc was remarkably similar to conans. Ive grown up with the max films. They were my favorite film franchise before fury road came out, and neither that movie nor furiosa changed my opinion. I am definitely against modern wokage nonsense. Road Warrior is still my favorite. This is the first film series i have ever seen succesfully pass the torch, not only to a new generation, but to the other gender. You want mad max still? "Imperator" is the highest rank you can have in joes civilization, it is the "max"imum status you can achieve. Fury=angry=mad. So imperator furiosa is a just a version of mad max. The series aint called "Mr Rockatansky."

1. Matriachy is ironically seen in pacific islands thriving. 2. This is the whole skinny MMA fighter vs big body builder debate. Muscles need lots of energy+oxygen. Being big is not always a plus a in combat. 3. Jack taught her.

No, it’s very much her movie

But hes a likeable villainous clown 😂

​@@NeroSparda99She planted her flag in that one

Nah he was badass and charismatic but flawed. The flaws added to his charisma and gave him charm and personality. Joe on the other hand…

Ha!

While I would agree with you, I’m not sure the bar is very high.

Dementus was also chaotic

He literally enslaved women and had young boys offing themselves in his name. He was a villain, ur just a dimwit

Villain and dictator often coincide. In this specific film however Dementus is the main antagonist, Immortan Joe is a key figure for the plot and connection to Fury Road. It’s just too bad we don’t get to see Immortan Joe’s rise to power and whatever glory days he must have had and the climb to power he must have had prior to being a Warlord ruling with absolute control amongst his people

Bird.

he behaves like a thor, but it's only a human. they would silence him easily in real life

Dementus is the portrait of actual leaders. They manipulate and are just marauders.

100% agree. I was a lot more annoyed than charmed by his character and he feels very out of place in the Mad Max universe to me

Thank you. Thank you, very much.

Anime pfp detected, opinion rejected. Cry some more about the man’s opinion.

⁠@@ultsus_pectIronic since you’re crying about a man sharing his opinion about a man sharing his opinion.

@@MC-nt7jz Ironic since you’re crying about a man sharing his opinion about a man sharing his opinion.

@@PeachesandCream225 Ironic since you’re crying about a man sharing his opinion about a man sharing his opinion about a man sharing his opinion about a man sharing his opinion.

I can get behind that.

Yea ive grown up with the max films, its my favorite film series. Furiosa was a rock solid entry, i liked it a lot

That’s part of the problem, though, isn’t it? I’m not sold that most people read those comics. So, we’re left with the outcome of greatness rather than seeing greatness.

@@greatwhiteapereviewsTHIS!! Like my daughters and wife arent going to read into the lore much like most of the audience. They only know what is shown to them…

Yo momma.

I sure did and loved it.

You can’t think of anything he did that was wrong?

@@greatwhiteapereviews at least he was a competent organizer

Strange comparison considering Bane was also a physical threat. Joe pretty much drove around and yelled a lot.

@greatwhiteapereviews the joe we see in Fury Road is an old man long past his prime who is still able to drive and shoot and command his men. Joe in his prime as shown in the comics was a master strategist and a melee fighter to be reckoned with. Dementus is just a boilerplate schizo nutjob who can't see further than two steps in front of his face, which is why his plans all fail and he gets his ass handed to him

Dementus works better as a villain because the story he is in is furiosas story, and dementus actively causes furiosa to suffer, while joe is her enemy by default of her own decisions in fury road.

Lacks discipline? His chiseled physique says otherwise. Joe on the other hand who’s clearly out of shape shows who lacks discipline. 😅

How so?

Yep. And furiosa showed me why i should hate dementus. I never hated joe. He was an antagonist by default, an obstacle by virtue of furiosas actions.

Good name, by the way.

@@greatwhiteapereviews Why thank you sir!! Great name yourself!! Subbed!!

I don’t necessarily need a backstory, per se. What I want is a reason to believe that these men would follow Joe in the way that they do. I often liken this to Vader. There is mystique and gravitas to the character, but he’s able to back up the respect and fear he commands through action. I’m not saying Joe needs to lift someone up by the throat. That would be ridiculous. But something should be done. Otherwise, on its face, Joe just seems like a guy who yells, drives cars, and has breathing problems.

Intense. I like it.

Not sure I agree. He lost his wives and there were people clearly prepared to fight this apparent God. I feel as though you’ve put this character on a pedestal that doesn’t exist, much like the movie conveyed.

How so?

Joe was an obstacle, by default of furiosas own decisiona. Dementus actively caused furiosa to suffer.

Agreed. I genuinely thought this was an overall better film than Fury Road.

@@greatwhiteapereviews Not sure I'd go that far. On par, certainly.

@@MedievalFolkDance I'm aware I'm in the minority on this.

@@greatwhiteapereviews It's give & take on the two. I can see your reasons. There was a bit more action to Fury Road I felt. This was more story driven. Not that thats a bad thing either. Just a touch more adrenalin & it would've gotten there for me.

​@@MedievalFolkDancemad respect to furiosa for being emotionally dark and brutal and hard to stomach at times. Havent seen that in theae films since road warrior.

You definitely should, its great

Excellently put.

I mean yea thats kinda one reason i like him more. He was unaware that he was just small fry compared to a guy like joe. Made his journey more compelling.

I really need to get on that. It looks awesome.

Paint My name in blood, that part is epic like a fever dream by a Open rotten wound, i loved it.

How so?

If you know from the beginning this was meant to be a prequel about another character, of course you gotta know Max is not in there yet: the important thing is the environment and the atmosphere. By the way, they put in a character that recalls quite much Max, at a certain point...

My favorite misread of his name was a commentor i saw on some other video called him "Important Joe" and i really loved that