Depression did not kill these people on this flight. A mass murderer did. Depression however, may lead to suicide. Suicide is killing one's self, not one's self and 30 others.
The first thought of mine was, that it's similar to the Germanwings case, but this one is different. While the consequences of his actions are the same, the reason is different. He bought an insurance so in case he would die during a plane crash, his wife would get the money. Big fireball, everyone dies, noone will figure out. That was his badly flawed logic, which caused 45 people to suffer a death similar to the plane of Germanwings. The FO in the Germanwings case wanted to prove, that he was worth and wanted to die in a crash, putting a huge show around it while this guy was also selfish but wanted to give to his wife what he could get, at least that was his intentions. Both are equally selfish and to be condemned.
I remember when Julie Clark was on the CV-580. Sometimes she'd open the cockpit window and throw cookies down to us (ramp workers) on the tarmac. She retired as a Capt on the A320.
As someone who's struggled with depression before, I don't hold anything against those who attempt suicide... but you're a special kind of evil if you'd take other people down with you like this individual. Nice video as always Allec!
Same here. I have no problem with people choosing to take their own life if they must, but taking someone else's life with you just makes you a murderer.
I know I’m a year late, but I love and support both of you. This life can suck and make you wonder why the hell we are even here. But believe me, everyday brings something new worth getting up out of bed and experiencing, whether it’s good or bad. Depression is no joke and I have sympathy to you. You got this, keep fighting and keep aiming to make it past all life has to throw at you and thrive. Things get better I promise :)
@@GMarieBehindTheMask Yes, but that's beside the point. I'll never criticize someone who chooses to take their own life without harming others, but I'll never understand those who are so selfish they take others with them.
@@AmyAnnLand Remember he subscribed to an assurance policy in the hope his widow-to-be could get 105 000 $ out of his death. Of course, it couldn't happen since it was a crime, obviously this criminal was dumb enough to think the investigators couldn't be able to find out.
Back then, mental illness was not socially acceptable, so telling someone would garantee institutionalization, antipsychotic drugs, and possibly an ice pick in your brain that would take away your ability to think and speak for yourself.
This was a time when if you were driving drunk and killed someone you were kinda considered innocent of the crime. So it basically was a totally different time..
@@silverhorder1969 Indeed, a time when you could carry absolutely ANYTHING in a plane, even a bazooka or an explosive belt, noone would care. That also explain the attacks from Palestinians back then and this scene in the movie "Airplane !" where one of the characters could find bombs on sale at the p-ex !
I remember when I was a kid around ‘76-77. My parents and I took a small plane from Ontario to LAX before catching a flight Boston. I thought it was so cool how the cockpit door was open and I could see the pilots during the flight.
Big 155 Same thing when I was a kid in the 70’s . Detroit to Tampa flights and the stewardesses would bring me up to meet the pilots in flight .... so much visual stimuli and awe.
When I worked in Spain in the early 90’s I flew on the now defunct Aviaco between the Balearic Islands and they always had the cockpit door open the whole flight ✈️
In the 1960s I flew from Boston to Kentucky on a prop plane. I wasn't a terrible kid while aboard but I did go bonkers with laughter while watching the wings bend in flight. It should had been frightening for a kid but for me it was excitement. I was a trauma victim at the time and was dissociating during the episode and my behavior caught everybody's attention. Later after I calmed down the pilots invited me into the cockpit.
Thank you for a well-done, if sad, vid, Allec. We can't forget these lessons. I have depression (it's well under control). So, while I know what the depths of its pain can be, I would never harm another. This guy? God have mercy on his lousy soul. He could've done himself at home. People! If you feel sad all the time, can't get out of it no matter what you do- you're depressed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The condition 100% defines itself. Getting help is strong. Doing nothing is weak; it can damage your thinking to the point you're not sharp at times when you need to be. And saying it's all ok is lying to yourself. I putzed around with it until I was 24- until one day in 1997 I couldn't stand up because I was too sad to do so. Took that for me to get help. Please don't let it get that far. These times can be sad, too, what with the Wuhan virus in our midst. If you feel bad, I understand. Bless you all. Thx again, Allec- :)
You’re a success story. Be proud of yourself for recognizing and taking hold of this dark inner monster that can affect anyone at any time (I know, it came to reside with me, too.) Blessings to you and may God bless us all
Are you a psychiatrist? I have been a psych RN for 16 years. There can be multiple factors and if you had any medical training you would not speak in absolutes about causation.
@@drn13355 actually, I am a psychiatrist of 20 years and a pilot. I have studied suicide in aviation and more recently murder-suicide as part of being a fact witness in a capital murder case. I have concluded that murder-suicide is a result of narcissism. I am not talking about suicide which an entirely different phenomenon. That is my version of reality. However, you are welcome to whatever version of reality you choose. And if one chooses to take another person's innocent life, then that is their fault, not the fault of their family, ex girlfriend, third grade bully, or even Trump. It is their selfish narcissistic decision and they will live with the consequences in this life or the next. Imho
@@brianmerrill4291 You should have your psychiatry license pulled. I don't believe you're a psychiatrist though. If you are, I feel sorry for your patients. Can you please refer me to your state licensing board?
What a selfish POS that man was taking so many innocent lives with him. I can't even begin to imagine how terrifying it must have been for those passengers :-(
And imagine how deservedly bad everybody he told - practically daring somebody to stop him - felt. If somebody tells you they are going to rob a bank and you do nothing, you are an accessory to a crime.
@@Dance_of_a_tree_called_life Agreed. Those people should have been charged with accessory to a crime or something. If I ever hear/see anyone making threats like I call 911 right away. I'd rather do that and risk someone being mad with me over thinking "Oh they are just morbidly joking they wouldnt really do that" and not do anything and have all those deaths on my conscience.
@matacentro - not really. They didn't specify rob them of what, didn't specify when (what if I am 80 years old and they meant they will rob a bank sometime in their lifetime so likely after I die). Rob can also mean overcharge someone for something so maybe he was a 3rd party vendor that would "rob" them by perhaps overcharging them for office supplies. Also you state if I do nothing I am an accessory to a crime. What if I assist in robbing the bank, does that "do nothing" penalty then get lifted?
@@Shayne42069 That just sounds like a stupid blame game, even if they probably didnt take him seriously because they knew he was a POS, I dont see hoe anyone else is still at fault for this idiot's actions, think about it, and besides even if they tried to help the nonce would've probably done the same shit anyway
Earnest Clark your Daughter is continuing your LEGACY. My Father worked for the Frontier Airlines in the 60 - 70s, with the BOW & ARROW. I remember being a KID, and we always had flights between Denver, CO and Omaha, NE. The C-47 (Military DC-3) had CURTAINS no door to the flight deck. Once we reached ALTITUDE, EVERY KID was invited ONE AT A TIME to the flight deck to watch the Pilot's flying, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN THE COCKPIT. LOVED IT, I use to be in there all the time and that is why I always wanted to be a PILOT. ASK ME WHY I AM NOT TODAY? Let me ask, how much that Insurance Company paid, let me save you all the time. ZERO. So don't try and do something stupid like this.
I drive through Danville every day heading to work and back home on highway 680...my commute will never be the same anymore knowing these innocent folk died this way. Mount Diablo is nearby. I will always remember Mount Diablo due to my friend who passed away a few years ago who let me fly his Cessna around Mount Diablo ... May these folks be remembered. I know i will.😔
This also highlights the necessity for mental health care and how basically non-existent it's been throughout history (and in many ways still is since it isn't accessible for most people). There were huge warning signs prior to his selfish act, yet no one tried to do anything.
Hard to determine who, when, what, or how until after a fact usually. I'm pretty sure all of us would qualify for "mental health issues" at some point in our lives. The bulk of people work through it. "Professional" help doesn't really work most times, except for the people pulling big paychecks employed in "mental health care". Plus, talking wildly isn't a crime, talk to or listen to homeless people and "developmentally different" people for a example. Modern American's think that throwing more money at a problem will fix it. It won't.
This was murder. I am glad that Julie Clark was able to overcome her father's murder and pursue a career in aviation in his memory. I saw her do her last Oshkosh performance in 2019, great as usual.
Nobody raised alarm in the days prior? I mean, it's the 60's so things were a lot less tense than they are now, but damn, doesn't take a detective to figure out this guy's up to no good.
@@GaryNumeroUno As former Fokker flier, we used to have a joke : We paid a visit to the Fokker HQ in the Netherlands, where the chief of engineering took us on a guided tour of the premises. There were loads of vintage aircrafts in their hangar. The engineer pointed to the oldest of them, and said "This is ze very first Fokker, we call it ze mother-fokker !!"
They're a bunch of evil, selfish sons of bitches, Bless. That's about it. And they're cowards. They can't go out alone, so they recruit a bunch of unwilling people to make the journey with them. God save all of the dead there. May He be merciful on the killer's soul-
Because they are evil. And also psychopaths. Most people deny evil and deny labels such as psychopath. "They just need some hugs and a few sessions with a minister or counselor of some sort or other. That's all."
Ray Andress’s son and one of his daughters went on to fly. Son as a pilot, daughter as a flight attendant. She and Julie Clark flew together as well. His widow is still alive having never remarried. I so often forget that Ray was so young. He’s “my parents’ age”. My mom died last year but her “sister”, who is Ray’s actual sister is still alive as well. His parents died at late 80s? Early 90s? I’d have to look it up. He would have had a long life. I am sure he is proud of his children and grandchildren… and great grandchildren, wherever he is. Yes. He was able to get the transmission off that they had been shot. Thus, they knew to search for a gun. It made a world of difference in the investigation. IIRC he was identified by his watch. Yes. The PSA flight in the 80s was similar. The LA area news ran footage form Ray Elvin’s crash to compare the two when the second happened. Caught my mother completely off guard. Yes. Ray Elvin. A lot of my cousins went by first and middle. (He was my first cousin once removed) His formal AF portrait hung prominently in every home his parents lived in. It is now in his sister’s home. Family memories always included him as if he was sitting in the same room and they were razzing him about something or another. In 2000 a flight went into the ocean off of the Southern California coast. We waited a long time to hear if it was his son’s plane. It was his route. His flight was just a bit earlier. Oh. And Ray wasn’t originally assigned that flight. He had switched so the original assignee could do something on that day. Oh the winds of fate.
I didn’t realize there had been an earlier one of these other than the one on PSA Flight 1771 in December 1987...What a tragedy! What a selfish stupid tragedy!
Glad you put in the fact about Julie Clark. It's sad, these crashes, but at least there is a silver lining: it inspires people to improve the industry of aviation whether in the form of safety, innovation or flying. Fly high, Clarks!
The awesome thing is the First Officer who attempted to regain control of the plane after being shot. Both pilots should have been awarded a medal. There's not much you can do with a person holding a gun and shooting it.
Really well done Allec. I was totally unfamiliar with this tragedy. The afternote, stating that the Captain’s daughter went on to become a pilot, spoke of a wonderful tribute to the man.
Please, don't call this the result of depression. Lots of people suffer from depression, but, they don't hate others enough to murder them, especially those who have done them no wrong.
Holy sh**! I saw a Julie Clark airshow performance last summer and was amazed at her skill for her age. Did not see that coming! This guy had warning signs all over him. Hell we know it is a warning sign because of people like him. Unbelievable
Yeah, wtf kind of "friends" just ignore all that AND let him board a plane with a friggin gun??? The guy was telling every1, he could find, for days or weeks, and not a single damn person listened. I bet, they all were like "oh, how tragic, never saw it coming" afterwards. Those ppl, whether it was fear of getting involved or pure selfish indifference, are all partially responsible, coz they were given so many chances to prevent it, and they did nothing.
This is the saddest and most tragic story in your videos for me, so far. The La Mia football team crash was just as tragic. Love your videos. Your graphics are amazing. Still hope you will do Air Canada 621 crash July 5th 1970. It was so tragic...one silly mistake in the cockpit of a brand new DC 8-63. Due to lack of following airline procedure and mis communication between the Captain and his First Officer, the first officer inadvertently deployed the ground spoilers just as the aircraft was about to touch down at Toronto Intl Airport. Deployed at 60' slamming the aircraft so hard down on to the runway that it bounced and tore off the # 4 engine and a section of wing. They tried a go around not knowing the severity of the damage. They flew about four miles north and crashed in a dive into a rural field. 109 dead. So tragic. I would love you to make a video of it.
That man was a MONSTER. To kill innocent people just because, was an act of pure EVIL. Depression is not responsible for what that demon did to all those innocent people on the plane. His selfishness, his evil soul were responsible for his mass murder. MAY the SOULS of the PILOTS and INNOCENT PASSENGERS REST IN PEACE
When he told someone he planned to shoot himself and displayed a .357, they should have taken the guy seriously. A call to the cops would have been beneficial.
Hey Allec, the only air crashes you uploaded that I can remember are: Southwest Airlines Flight 345, Asiana Airlines Flight 214, and TransAsia Flight 235. Keep up the great work! 👍
The man could have filed bankruptcy and freed himself of most of his debt. What a tragic waste for him but mostly for the others on board who died. Our family was entertained by Julie Clark several times at the Salinas Air Show and we had no idea her dad's life was taken so tragically.
I’ve been watching your videos for a while now I just wanted to leave a comment and say how well done and very informative your videos are! Keep up the great work!
Well that was a stark surprise...I would hope if someone today had shown that many signs that someone would stop and do something about it. Sometimes all one needs is someone to listen to them and talk them out of those thoughts. To help them figure things out. I'm sorry that Mr. Gonzales felt so overwhelmed for his predicament, but it shows the utmost disregard for other peoples lives when they do something like this, and it's the worst kind of selfish act to take other innocent people with them in their time of depression. If you feel like this kind of thing would solve all your problems think again. There is help out there, people who care and who will help you get thru this rough time in your life. I know because I've been there. Seek out a local mental health facility or a church near you. They will help you deal with whatever it is that brings you to think this way. You will be glad that you got the courage to ask for help. It worked for me, and I can guarantee it will work for you. Find them now... wait until you talk to someone. Be brave, be calm, and be smart. You have people who will help you waiting to hear from you... It is the most courageous thing you can do for yourself, and you'll be thankful you did. The first step is the hardest, but after that you'll feel a lot better and be on the right path to feel good again. It's worth it, you're worth it. Call someone now and just talk... 🥵 Best of luck... I mean that👍🏼👍🏼😏🥰👏🖖💪🤘👍🏼
Seeing this really saddened me. But I'm glad that people get to see how important it is to respond by getting help for people who give hints about harming themselves. Such a tragic waste.
As others have said, depression alone isn't associated with violence. Murder-suicides come about by people with one or more comordities in addition to depression, particularly untreated substance use or psychosis.
I discovered this channel while viewing one of my other favorite airliner channels. I'm very impressed! It's great learning about non-famous incidents; the older the better! I hope I can find the crash of Patsy Cline and Constance Bennett at some point, with the wonderful talent of Allec Joshua Ibay covering!
He wasn't depressed, he was psychotic--there is a difference. And it goes to show that if evil wants to wreak havoc, nothing on earth will stop them. I looked it up, it doesn't say anything about the friends who purchased the gun being legally liable (but laws were different then). I also hope the wife didn't receive one single dime.
Great video, and this reminds me of a similar accident from 1987 dec 7. There was a man named David Burke, who -like this disaster- shot the crew, a passanger, and then himself with a smith&wesson magnum. The reason was he was convicted for stealing 68$ worth of money and later he was found guilty (but he tried to ask for leniency, because he was the only working one in the family- but this attempt failed). Then he was fired, and he purchased a gun, and a ticket for Pacific Southwest flight 1771. He boarded as a passanger and he succesfully brought the gun with him. Then he shot his formal boss, the pilots, and then himself. The plane (BAe-146-200A if im right) went into a nosedive and reached 1,2 Mach before starting to break apart and crashed into a farm. Everyone onboard died, the plane completely destroyed. I just wanted to tell this, IDK why
@kovacsabelkristof3566 Burke didn't commit suicide by gunshot, the last victim was the chief pilot Douglas Arthur who tried to get into the cockpit but was shot by Burke’s final bullet. If Burke shot himself then the gun would drop from his hand. When investigators found a piece of a fingertip on the trigger, they discovered the killer was holding on to the gun until the very moment of impact.
Another good job, but I would suggest you listen to any recording (sound or video) of what an F-27 sounded like. The sound you have is like an RC airplane.
So sad two great pilots had to die this way. And, all the passengers who were hopelessly doomed. Thankfully the shooter died and didn't collect any thing. His cries for help went unheard. Listen up people this could be you & your loved ones. 🐞🎧💐🏴☠️😪. Thanks for the post
Flew in 1966 on a Pacific Convair from San Francisco to Las Vegas with stops in San Jose and Fresno. Sad. Awful. His daughter retired at the right time.
I saw Julie Clark once at an airshow. I think it was at the Reno Air races held every year in September there. She performed an aerobatic routine, but never would've guessed her dad was killed during a commercial flight as a pilot. This crash reminds me of another murder suicide that happened on a PSA flight 1771 in 1987. A man by the name of David Burke deliberately killed his former boss, killed both pilots, and a stewardess with a .44 magnum.Then crashed the plane by putting it in a nosedive, killing a everyone on board.
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Just having a locked cockpit door wouldn't necessarily prevent something like this. The gunman could pull his gun out while in the passenger cabin and start threatening to shoot passengers unless he was allowed into the cockpit. The flight crew would most likely comply thinking that its just a high-jacking. This incident happened back in 1964 before there was any real airport security. Today he would have had a difficult time getting the gun through a metal detector.
Of all the people that Gonzales spoke to about his death, NOT one of them did anything. He showed people the gun, and they still didn’t think what he was planning!
Speaking as someone being treated for severe depression...It is not merely sadness. It can be a force that crushes the soul, stifles joy, and sits like a knot of cold despair in the body. That last is not a metaphor; it is literally what I felt. The murderer on Flight 773 was, I believe, not depressed but angry at the world for his own failure, lashing out at the innocent in rage at his lack of achievement. As noted by Brian Merrill below, the murderer's motivation was narcissism.
Well mate, to be honest, I'm glad that you're able to get out from that feeling. I thought that depression is just about someone being damn sad about any thing that he/she can't accomplish in life. Thanks for sharing your experience, man. Oh, and btw, nice profile picture. Though that I would rather pick Twilight Princess Link or (to a lesser degree) Ocarina of Time Link If I were you.
Excellent job Allec.. keepin it gangsta as always... Amazing to learn that this is the reason cabins are locked today... rules are often written from tragedy as you know... anyway keep up the good work big-pimpin'
With plane crashes, I always think of how long people had to know they were going to crash, or at least that there was something terribly wrong. The horror these passengers would've gone through with the gunshots and the plane diving down suddenly. A family of four was killed - husband, wife and their one- and three-year old kids.
This is so incredibly tragic and avoidable but the triumph that comes out of this is his wonderful daughter. I saw her interviewed by Flight Chops and if she is, in real life, anything like the person I saw there, then she is a blessing to all
Mark Jasper or prohibiting guns from being on board, and or upgrade the security a bit to prevent them from coming on regardless. It was a whole different time, though. Extremely relaxed. But then again, we learn and adapt with change based off history. Even in 1995, the system was extremely safe, when compared to the 1960s. And that system didn’t prevent 9/11. Even in 2001, we were still learning how to make the cockpit door more secure, learned to establish actual protocol.
@Allec Joshua Ibay Thank you so much for these videos, they have consumed many many hours of my time! I was just wondering if you planned to "remaster" any of your videos when the new Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 is released =)
