Depths of DS9 S5 Ep. 13 - FOR THE UNIFORM 

Darn Spoonies deserve no quarter and no mercy.

[Miles O'Brien liked that]

"What's it like to end another sentient being's life?" "I wouldn't know. I've only killed Cardassians."

Very considerant towards any Orion Girl that might be on that planet😂

"O'Brien why won't you stand up? " "No Reason."

WORF

​@@bertbargo7162kaaaaaaan

​@@bertbargo7162 Mr Woof

Worf: this is the best day ever!!! suck it Captain Picard day!

The pier has been confused.

Sisko stacked war crimes like Oreos.

"The Uniform betrayed me _first!"_

Yes i did What of it?

Your tailor will be most displeased...

@@DocFlamingo Ahh, poor simple Garak. 😞

So did you Sisko.

Everything was done better in DS9 than in VOY.

This would be something worth talking about..... if VOY did anything good.

"Commander" Chipotle was boring as hell. way underwritten.

@@gregajohnson1985You remember all those stand out ensign Kim episodes? Me either

​@@ArchedgarIt's stuff from like the first few episodes of Voyager and then is mentioned maybe once or twice. It's really not an important plot point after season 1.

nah that one made sense and probably killed less people

Handsdown the greatest Trek episode ever made.

I THINK...I CAN LIVE WITH IT. I CAN live with IT...Computer, delete that entire personal log.

And I call that a bargain

"Tell me why it is more noble to kill a thousand in battle than four in a shuttlecraft." - Tywin Lannister, probably

Well I would say he understood there had to be a balance between results, ideals and Morals. There are times you have to stand on ideals and not care about what can be lost. Other times results matter and you have to bend, which this episode alone showed both very clearly and also showed how furious Sisko can get too :)

Picard and Sisko are cut from different cloths. Sisko is more engineer and NASA astronaut. Picard is more a scientist and classic explorer. Both are strong military. But Sisko is stronger.

A couple of episodes meant to moralize ruined Picard for me. First, he had a chance to eliminate the Borg, but chose not to because he didn't want to sacrifice a single individual of the collective. That could have literally cost billions of lives. Second, he was a traitor and revealed the Federation's cloaking device to the Romulans. I understand they had a treaty, but the Romulans broke it so many times that I can't justify undermining the Federation. In the very least, it would have been more interesting if those two choices backfired on him and they made him deal with severe consequences. Taking the high ground isn't that meaningful if everything always works out in the end.

They are the product of very different Starfleet eras (both in universe and in the writing room). Remember Picard had been a captain for many years in an era with Starfleet as top dog (they had children on active starships for crying out loud) when Wolf 359 happened. Sisko got to experience what a major defeat looked like first hand. Even if they had started the same Sisko would adopt a "harder line" and understandably so. The Dominion War would have only reinforced that trend.

@@gusty9053 in other words - “In hard times, hard men are forged or broken.”

You dont talk your enemies into da feet. They cant rebel if they cant breath.

The old addage, "Demons run when a good man goes to war" Humanity are peaceful by choice but FAR from pacificsts, i mean hell we CRAVE carnage, look at all of our media, both fictional and non-fictional

I do think it's a small, but regrettable omission, to not give Garek a chance to be taken aback by the heel-face-turn of Sisko. "I thought humans of... /your/ type of character didn't do this sort of thing?" Something to that effect. Drawing an even finer point on the 'Eddington is forcing Starfleet to behave Cardassian in his quest to destroy Cardassians' commentary. The "poisons Cardi's only" thing really was a minor bit of lazy writing, trying to make Eddington seem rational...but they apparently forgot that terrorists are inherently hypocritical and lacking in introspection --there was no need to polish his morality for Sisko's arc to work.

The Siege of AR-558 Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

@@tombarnett937 It is a plot contrivance to have these weird things that only hurt cardis or humans, but Eddington is a great example of the Federation's "everyone wins because I'm so smart" attitude. He thinks that not only are his attacks completely justified, but also that they have created a landscape where (once completed) no-one can ever challenge the status quo again. It's like he thought so long and so hard to come up with his perfect solution and no-one would do anything he didn't expect. And that's the hubris of the Federation right there. Using amazing science to solve problems and then being shocked that someone comes along and smacks them right in the mouth.

Also, the ROOT BEER speech about human insidiousness.

When I had to put down my 13yr old cat, in my depression I binged 90s SciFi. Hercules, Power Rangers, Star Gate, Star Trek, Lex, Dr. Who. Even the "bad" stuff is better than Today's hits.

Same here. I loved it as a kid when it was on the air, but now it is just so much better. Babylon 5 may not have aged as well, but it is still in the same league. We were spoiled in the '90s.

@@almostontimehero5415 sorry to hear that ...don't forget Highlander to your list ....agreed so horrible today I'd rather watch Renegade

@@Archedgar Because he can rock a blue beard.

Only because of one thing: time. Today, he's as woke as they come, and he'd be right there cranking out STD episodes if his career was still going. He did this in the 90's, when the liberals were the more "middle ground" side.

@@logicplague Unfortunately, this is 100% correct. His lamentations regarding social issues he couldn't address in the What We Leave Behind doc was 2nd most cringe-worthy moment, behind the Kira Nerys "Bitch" montage.

Holy crap, really?! I knew Liam Neeson was in it, and the Animorph was the sarcastic teacher from the original Willie Wonka movie.

I only discovered that recently. Saw Krull on tv and he looked familiar. I was like "who iz diz mannnnn?" Then shook me up when I realized it was him.

He also voiced Arsen Lupin in the animated series back in the 90s or 00s. Can’t recall which decade specifically. He was awesome.

@@barryelverson9486 I don't know what that is. But, his IMDb page doesn't mention it.

Dukat did nothing wrong.

@@ekscalybur He did so much for Bajor but where are the monuments, the statues? If it were anyone else running things, there would be no Bajor.

Sisko did nothing wrong

Sisko: "To me, it was Tuesday." Dukat: "I was just warming up for a proper genocide."

@@TheSolidSnakeOil not even a thank you card

It was indeed. Too bad so many think that's just rose colored glasses.

Well yeah. We had a society back then.

It's absolutely wild that DS9 is almost as far removed from today as TOS was from DS9.

​@@omni-hexagon3514how do you rate the first 5 series (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, & ENT) best to worst?

@@omni-hexagon3514 😢 that's messed up, man..

Well, since Edington and his fellow Maquis started the whole gasing planets thing, Siskos actions could be justified as retaliatory strikes (just like with current day nukes).

Isn't that Cardasian space though, and by extension, Cardasian authority? Then he's in clear, unless they complain. And I don't think, after what Maqis did to them, Cardasian government would send an official complaint to Starfleet.

​@kireta21 that sounds exactly like what the cardassians would do. Without the maquis being a problem anymore, now they can get back to screwing with the federation

@@kireta21 good point, however Sisko is comanding a Starfleet ship (so it would fall under Federation jurisdiction)

"Far Beyond the Stars", his refusal to go to Vic's for a time because of how "his people" were treated back then(which all felt SOOO out of place in a 24th century setting where 'his people' were HUMANS.) They certainly tried a couple of times.

He always does. And that one usually gets shut down too.

Dude, Starfleet Command series was rad, at least 1 & 2. 3 had to move the timeline to TNG cause everyone jizzes themselves over the Soveriegn class, but SFC 1 & 2 in TMP timeline were classic!

@@grifnizzle7197 If you want more like it, it turns out that series was based on an actual tabletop game called "Star Fleet Battles." In fact, its tutorial module was included on "Starfleet Command's" CD as 3 PDF files. If you have it (or even the GOG or Steam versions) you should try it out.

I remember what Ezri said.

I broke my clicky finger :(

I clicked like before the video loaded.

War crimes everyware they are like Pocemon u have take them all

Same here. Shame they still struggle with the copyright claims.

I did a yuppie that clicked on it

that seems to be a very very loose interpretation of Starfleet General Order 34. General Order 34 All Starfleet personnel and/or Federation civilian contractors shall follow a superior's order to the best of their ability, unless said orders should conflict with the regulation laid out in these orders. I think you may have meant General Order 24. Even then, this is pretty loose as the Maqui were humans. General Order 24 If a commanding officer deems that a planet has been culturally contaminated to a point where correction is no longer viable and said culture now poses a direct threat to Starfleet personnel or Federation civilians, he may order the destruction of a planet’s surface to occur within a time limit set upon invocation. A morally bankrupt federation defense attorney could argue the planet itself was contaminated by maqui "culture" and said culture is a direct threat to the federation in creed. But it clearly violates the spirit of the order.

@@Reiman33 I stand corrected -- typo/keyslip. Fixed.

But only because Eddington made him into one...that's kinda the point. Sisko turns the tables by willfully playing the part, and ends a genocidal spree that would have claimed countless more lives and likely conflagrated into a regional conflict. It proves that Sisko /wasn't/ a villain, and Eddington only got as far as he did because his fellow duelist was being merciful in the hopes Eddington would relent, believing him to not be a true villain. Sisko got serious the instant Eddington showed himself to be implacably ruthless, and ended the fight.

Actually: It only a war crime if everyone notices it.

$15!

Kirk would highly approve of Sisko's methods over Picards.

Hmm, looking back at TOS (which i saw after DS9) i have to say it could easily be a toss up between the two. Overall DS9 wins because they had more great characters than the TOS's excellent main three.

@@gusty9053 TOS definitely has a special place in my heart for sure, but TOS was never given it's full chance and cancelled after 3 seasons. Plus the 3rd season was uneven writing at best. DS9 started out a bit clunky while everyone got used to their characters (except Miles, he was already Miles 😄). It just kept building with solid writing and acting though. The continuing through line plot of the Dominion war added strength too, where the other series were more episodic.

Where are they normally?

@@Joely7-vr7oh unauthorized TV

"Sorry sir, I'm just a waterfront area meant to dock ships. You ought to speak to my friend Commander Worf. Also...who are you and where is Captain Sisko?"

@@chaosgyro Not to be confused with Captain Sysco, who ran Jerec's pimphand.

They would have had to pay royalties to the author of the Wesley academy episode for every episode a character he created appeared in.

Paramount's official cope is that Locarno was still "a boy" when VOY began, and they wanted an older character for the Paris lore.

The Batarians are still mad about that.

Sisko is so renegade for life he pressed that reneged screen prompt so fast when he punched Q

The thoughts of sub-sapient species don't matter.​@@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it

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Picard annoyed Worf , Sisko put the fear of god into Worf especially when he heard that Sisko punched Q

Kirk even says it’s a combined branch when asked if its army, navy, or air force

No wonder Gul Dukat is jealous.

No lie detected

What took you so long, and why?

@@Grobut81 I was getting a neural implant from helping a tech company remove a virus, it didn't go EXACTLY as planned.

@@nobodycares9579 Hmm... well alright, we'll let it slide, for now.

@@Grobut81 And don't worry I won't work together with a super computer either to rule the galaxy if they ask me to after taking care of the many.

The only difference is that all of SF Command approved of it, willing to look the other way. They all betrayed their oath.. and damn was it the right call. It's scary to imagine what would happen if they didn't.

@@nihilisticpoet Like he said in that Episode "In order to save SF we may have to go to war, cause we are losing the peace!"

@@nihilisticpoet It’s been a while, but I can’t remember Starfleet Command being aware of it. I thought Sisko erased his log and kept a lid on it.

Worf just followed orders