Garak and Bashir being an old married couple for 14 min "straight" 

I suppose it's because of the time it was produced, but still a pity

@@Krocxigor Even in Dax's case, there was outrage over that scene. Also, there's a general perception that gay women are more "acceptable" than gay men. Putting acceptable in air quotes because while they are affected by homophobia, lesbianism is usually fetishised so it's this weird thing where gayness in women isn't viewed as bad as in men. Even in some countries where homosexuality is criminalised, it's only between men where it's applied whereas women are considered more like antisocial behaviour

​@Krocxigor they weren't lecturing you? They were litterally just responding to your comment, you need to grow up

Why? Why does everything have to be gay? Do you modern “progressives” have such a complete lack of self-control, that you just can’t help yourselves?

​@kevinphoenix2007 It's one actor who chose to play one character as ambiguously gay on a show with only one other confirmed LGBT character. That's pretty far from making "everything" gay. Meanwhile, there are dozens of explicit straight romances on the show, but you don't find that to be inappropriate. Just say you're homophobic and move on.

Not arguing outright disdain is an act of flirting...

I thought that was a Tellarite thing

@@snatchadams69 but if outright distain is flirting, does that mean Garak and Gal’dikut are exes

@@kathrynblakeley9823 possibly or Garak "interrogated" Dukat's father to death...

@@snatchadams69 interesting (Cardassians continue to leave me baffled).

Yeah I mean straight men and women can be friends also not everything is about romance, but the chemistry between these two (especially from Garak's side) was palpable.

Not reoccurring characters anyway

Oh, thank you very much! It's mean a lot to me!

riiiiiiiiiight that's not subtext that's big neon headlights

to be fair it was "subtext" to the writers but andrew robinson was playing it as gay as he physically could get away with, hes been open about this lol

Really? It make my heart melt 😊❤️

@@mira_ashhh The kid's mom is Nana visitor, aka Kira. Her pregnancy in the show was legit.

@@noabsolutelynot3660 Yep, when Kira yelled at Bashir that her pregnancy was all his fault, she spoke the truth.

maybe one of the best comment I got

They were always supposed to be have been a couple, but the TV execs wouldn't allow it so the writers and the actors had to keep it as subtext only, although Andrew Robinson did play Garak as openly gay as was possible under the circumstances.

@@KelseyStanbrook Garak is gay Bashir is platonically interested in him. They become platonically in love.

They were lucky to get AK as well as all the other talent. He needed the money so he said yes to doing it. I bet he thinks of it as a career high, though.

Me too(

Blame Rick Berman for that, apparently because of Siddig and Robinson wanting to make them canon (and I guess you could say act gay on purpose), he gave them less scenes together (I MIGHT BE WRONG BTW)

@@Hells-Best-Demon I'm pretty sure 6oure right, honestly Rick Berman is to blame for a lot of things

Welcome to the club (I turn three-dozen-years in a week's time at the time of making this comment - that's 36 - and while I can feel the weight of getting older somewhat, I can see your point).

YEEEES

100% Garak would use Doctor as a pet name for Bashir

Aaagh, RIGHT, I forgot about this part 😫 it such a cute moment

OOOOHHHH-

@@wornouthoodie OOOOHHHHHHHHH! :○ XD

They are like me fr fr

@@SaffronicSaffronnot by arguing, but by trading tit for tat barbs with each other.

​@@jacobburt1523 It seems they do that dance really well too. 🎉

I mean, are any us of on this ship normal for them? I have found that when there are characters that could have been queer if not for our homophobia and/or someone on the team saying no especially when it involves a ship are never normal about this. We were robbed of the chance to see it happen. Why should we be normal?

And where, pray tell, will this magnum opus be published? I do so enjoy stories with such clever titles... 😂

It wasn't missed at all: That was AS CLOSE as the networks would ALLOW (and that's why that shit worked like clockwork!) When Garak was on The Shuttle Podcast earlier this (on YT) He explained his Ah-ha moment during the pre-production of DS9: "Oh I get it. Garak wants to &^%$ Bashir. Oh I can Do that angle...". That pairing, Bashir and Garak, that was most Almost-Out-of-Closet television to be had in the 90's. Done so well, that folks who knew, KNEW and folks who did not, did not b*tch about it...

@@tehpw7574 yes you are right

@@tehpw7574 Actually I agree with advanced. Babylon 5 which ran pretty much concurrently with DS9 and they had a portrayal of gay marriage between men in it. That to me was revolutionary when I first saw it in the late 90s

DS9 was already a massive risk for the studio, they didn't want to push it further the first to do something has to fight the hardest, at this time one of the first major openly gay married couples with men was being released as Gabryal mentioned they didn't have the luxury to take that risk with so much else on the line So they showed their relationship just enough in the closet to not upset the homophobes, and enough to depict the relationship they wanted to show.

@@crayzkato6607 oh I definitely agree with everything you said.

Totally agree. Thank goodness for AO3 😉❤️

​@@eloiseroberts9674 bless Ao3.

I know, right? 😆 God bless him, he's the best

They told Andrew Robinson (and the writers) to tone that side down, and so we have our favourite Garak right here.

The implied subtext makes the relationship more fun

They’ve read slash fiction as a couple…

Yeah, Andrew's point I think was that Garak didn't care who his lover was- gay, straight, bi, trans- as long as he/she was human and physically attractive.

Cause they have chemistry between them like Dupont)

@@maximprilipko990 Toxic and able to kill thousands ?

​@@bastobasto4866Exactly.

in all fairness it makes sense the semi retired wetworks operative would hang out with the augmented doctor i imagine the number of people intellectually on their level besides dax is very low.

Andrew Robinson did this deliberately, he said he played his first meeting with Bashir as "This is a man Garak is sexually interested in."

@@sirblockepicmcswaggins5248 LOL REALLY THAT'S SO FUNNY

Yesss Conservatives either complain that something feels forced and unnatural "to tick boxes", or that yes there's chemistry but it must be friendship (you can't win). Meanwhile the straight thing with Odo and Kira is this weird one-way crush for most of the series devoid of even much I'd call friendship (beyond the everyday military camaraderie) where the other side gets trapped in a bit of rock and relents and then feels one of the most unnatural and forced relationships I've seen on TV... If Kira were male it'd be all "this is so forced, just for the sake of lefty LGBT diversity"

Haha, thanks!!!

I think they still kept with the plan. Just didn't go explicit with it.

I bet he did

I would

Well, if we speak about FRIENDS it's probably Bashir and O'Brien. They had their ups and downs, but with time they work things out and become pretty good friends (and it's certainly interesting to look at them)

Technically, some parts of "The Wire" are in video, just not all

@@mira_ashhh oh I guess I meant the part where garak is falling and being miserable and Bashir is trying to help even though garak I'd refusing it

@@garakstailorshop oooh! This one! Yeah, this is such a good part

Siddig was born in 1965, _Distant Voices_ aired in 1995. So he turned 30 that same year.

I hope your father be okay soon

That genetic augmentation did some crazy things lol

Pretty sure they cover that in the series as he always excelled in school but held himself back just enough to not get caught. So like doogie howser he probably graduated at a very very young age.

it took me about 5 minutes to figure out what the reference was. Good job))

@@Brick-so1ig No, sorry( that's actually only DS9 video I have made

True, garak is the side girl.....poor miles!

Why not a happy moresome/thruple? 😁😜

Somehow this ends up fixing itself when I use bluetooth speakers lmao

May be, but it's still really funny❤

If think about their relationship from this side, I think they both were kind of obsessed with each other at the beginning, but it gone with time

It was 100% implied.The documentary on DS9, "What We Left Behind" confirms it 100% from both the actors and writer's perspective. The actors also did a reading of a fanfic where they were a married couple.

Plus Andrew Robinson flat out said his inspiration for Garak was because he wanted to sleep with Alexander Siddig

In the new game, a hologram of Bashir says that he knows what it's like to date a Cardassian. Not quite canon yet, but we hit the beta canon boys 💪💪

It’s okay, it’s just a joke really.

​@@BottomBunkArt Wait WHAAT?!

The actor for Garak has said multiple times in multiple interviews that he specifically played Garak as a queer man infatuated with Bashir. Both actors agree on the couple. They even voiceacted an 'episode' during the quarantine where the two reunited. Men can be best friends; these two men weren't played as such, though.

You're right and it's sad, but as @moldymulder said, Andrew Robinson did say that he played Garak as a queer man infatuated with Bashir (good taste, btw). So in a way, they WERE a couple. This video IS brilliant too.

@@SpookMrsSpooky Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have complained, because with DS9 in that era it wouldn't be the 'look how gay we are', unnatural in your face nonsense of this era. It would have been handled with decorum and good taste, like the rest of the romances in ST of the time. But the character was not written that way, and all I ever saw were two good friends from very different worlds. To me, it was more about how friendship can happen between people of radically different backgrounds and cultures.

@@Alamandorious Oh I agree totally, and that's how I saw it too - and actually still do. it was much later that I saw Robinson's comments, and thinking back, that does explain that undercurrent that I could sort of see but dismissed as just Garak's personality and mannerisms.

@@SpookMrsSpooky See, I don't see it. The only time there was any sort of indicator was in the Mirror Universe episode...but then again, everyone was a little more...well, more 'modern standards'.

The actors thought it was gonna be gay and them Rick Burman told them to straighten it up a little.

You still can, you know? Not watched this video? But I'm glad you did 😊❤️

@@mira_ashhh I did the worst thing for a youtube video, I watched 30 seconds of it and moved away after downvoting. It helps kill the video through the algorithm spread, it would register this as being dissatisfied and unwanted by the community. Which is slightly negated by the comment interaction but the double of not watching all the way through and then downvoting eliminates that. So you're welcome lol

@@UncensoredScion don't think it'll happen, but thanks for info :> ❤️

You haven't seen the actors acting out Little Achievements, then, in which they acknowledge the characters' husbandry? The actors are on board with the ship. Allow a little fun in your heart, it's not that serious friend

@@Shindai I would if freaks like yourself would be okay with it when the reverse is done. But it's never that, if I were to suggest a lesbian character likes big dicks you'd call me endless names or have a gay character want that pusspuss. Because it's never about "having fun" its about twisting something to your viewpoint. That's why its wrong and always is wrong.

Totally agree. This is funny.