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Derrick! The Volkswagen T25/T3 self built camper - Vanagon 

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Introducing another project, the T25, or T3 VW camper, with self built interior

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@captaincormac
@captaincormac 4 года назад
You don't happen to have plans drawn up for your cabinets and sink area, I just got my T25 and that's all I need to replace on it. And yours are amazing
@katlinjarv6075
@katlinjarv6075 4 года назад
Very beautyful t25 but can the old vw's drive a long trip, i mean the t1,t2,t25,t3. I heard somewhere that the old cars can't drive a long trip like 400km. Is that why some old vw's are abandoned or i just wanna know can they drive long distance and why people abanon things
@katlinjarv6075
@katlinjarv6075 4 года назад
Pls answer
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Thank you, yes they can do long trips provided they are well maintained, the problem is that some owners treat them like modern vehicles and expect them to just keep working without regular maintenance, you simply have to remember they are old vehicles now and need things checking from time to time
@JackAcid
@JackAcid 4 года назад
Lovely work. Great example of how to make one of these modern and fully functional, without going overboard! I'm going to insulate mine next year... Gulp!
@nickwf70
@nickwf70 4 года назад
That boxy bumper was crash protection for your feet! Beautiful van..
@danandrs
@danandrs 3 года назад
Can I ask what locks the roof down when shut? mine just has the mechanism to pop it up,
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 3 года назад
Nothing, it just holds itself down because its rather heavy
@brad9205
@brad9205 2 года назад
Really nice job. I have to leave mine with the original interior :-( I am very DIY willing but have zero experience of woodwork/cabinet making. Then when you said it a long time...
@janon2402
@janon2402 Год назад
Hi, I love the interior on this van. Do you remember where you bought that laminated ply from? I'd like something just like that!
@7thwilliams
@7thwilliams 3 года назад
I like this van , please let's know if you ever wish to sell it.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 3 года назад
Thanks, but I have no plans to sell it yet
@Knolraab
@Knolraab 5 лет назад
I really liked this build, except I liked the round lights better. I guess its a matter of personal preference. I would really like to see more videos on this one :)
@freewheelinfranklyn
@freewheelinfranklyn 2 года назад
beautiful job, probably looks better than it did new.... i just bought 1, should be delivered tomorrow. it needs some welding here and there but ill try to keep a picture of your finished van in my head. if it turns out half as good ill be well pleased....... mine has a full width bed so does that mean i can fit seat belts like your 1 on both sides and will that need an engineers report? ill sacrifice some cabinets to for the bigger bed
4 года назад
Love the colour of your van. Is that Tornado red? Also love the upholstery, It looks real quality. And the cabinet work and matching colour scheme is top notch. I wish my van looked half as good. My van is gray (Ugh!).
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Thanks David, I am not sure what the name of the colour is, but I do know its a standard VW colour
@willyd-adv
@willyd-adv 3 года назад
Is that a ltd-g mx5 in the background by the buildings door? Oh and great T25
@stephenrogers9664
@stephenrogers9664 5 лет назад
Loved the showing of the VW. I’m rebuilding my Syncro, & just loved the quality of what you done. Well done btw I’m in Australia
@robbygreene2
@robbygreene2 5 лет назад
Would love to see your build!
@katlinjarv6075
@katlinjarv6075 4 года назад
Stephen Rogers. Are you making a video about your project??
@simaremus448
@simaremus448 3 года назад
Great job,can you tell me what tire size did you use.Tanks
@lisapowell616
@lisapowell616 5 лет назад
Great campervan would like to see more.... 👍😃🚐👀
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
There is more coming, I hope to record a video this weekend with Derrick and his companion, "Dorris"
@stuarthogg9830
@stuarthogg9830 5 лет назад
If you ever fancy selling it. Give me a DM. Would love one of these
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Thanks Stuart, but I dont plan on selling it any time soon
@garyp.7501
@garyp.7501 3 года назад
Really beautify rebuild job!
@80iesDude45
@80iesDude45 4 года назад
Why people from Britain call a T3 a «T25»? Nice Volkswagen anyway ;-)
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Hi Cris, I don't know, it's a constant argument here in the UK
@graemepiper7425
@graemepiper7425 4 года назад
Put a remote powered valve on gas bottle that turns gas on and off. Way easier than cutting a hole in cabinet.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
I had tried to look for one but haven't had much luck, do you know where I can order one?
@renatedansen7666
@renatedansen7666 5 лет назад
Nice van, Sir. About that fridge i had the same problem with the power, now I got a compressor one. Not cheap but its working like the ona at home ;-) It's a Dometic mdc065 that will fit in your van to. Greetz Renate.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Thanks, I'll look into that fridge
@tomworley8523
@tomworley8523 5 лет назад
Stunning van, really great to see quality workmanship and attention to detail without hype and showing off. Love the MX5 stuff, but really good to see what else you guys are tackling. Thanks for taking the time to are the film and post.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi Tom, Thank you, I'm glad you liked seeing the T25. We are hoping to have more VW stuff coming up soon
@hommerj8791
@hommerj8791 5 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SBccEa3nw28.html
@r.a.mancillas812
@r.a.mancillas812 Год назад
More VW buses
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 Год назад
We will try to get more of this content for you.
@granty245
@granty245 4 года назад
Nice job. What did you do on the step of the sliding door? It looks really neat
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Thanks Grant, There was someone selling those stainless steel steps a few years ago, he gave all his profit to charity to, which was really nice
@randalexander
@randalexander 3 года назад
Man-- I'd love to know where you got those "fog" lights or as you say-- daylight lights in the front bottom. I've not been able to find those anywhere. I'm over in America. Have a '91 Westy weekender w/ Subie Kennedy engine conversion. Thing rips at @ 185 HP. Anyway, if you can help w/ where to score those lower lights, that'd be rad. Thanks! Great job!
@nitanice
@nitanice Год назад
great job!
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 Год назад
Thanks!
@moretttti
@moretttti 3 года назад
kastenwagen refurbed to bus... what?
@SomeplaceOrAnother
@SomeplaceOrAnother 4 года назад
Well done. The quality looks exceptional. :)
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Thank you!
@SG-xp2zr
@SG-xp2zr 5 лет назад
Really love your van and I'm definitely going to use the same colours. I've just bought a t25 which I've completely gutted out. It's ready for a conversion like yours. Just trying to find someone to do it for me.
@hommerj8791
@hommerj8791 5 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SBccEa3nw28.html
@glasbroeslerberlin5849
@glasbroeslerberlin5849 4 года назад
i tink its too fooamy and white and red and pops up quirky. But i think its good made, i`m from germany - and love to see how the british save our vans from the ofen. Keep up, have fun, show us, and follow your instincts when rescuing and converting!!! In Germany we have the TÜV. TÜV prevents any aspects of creativ acts of saving old vehicles!!! Love the color, the front and fridge- keep it (dump it!)
@SheriffofYouTube
@SheriffofYouTube 3 года назад
real beautiful buddy... fyi bumpers stick out so they can save the front end in an accident... you seem a courteous person not tailgating
@shirleymanuel6926
@shirleymanuel6926 4 года назад
What a job. Absolutely Fabulous Well done mate.xxxx S & R
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Thank you :)
@Devin.McGrath.
@Devin.McGrath. 5 лет назад
Great work, would love to see more from the Vanagon project
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi Devin, Thank you, I have more content planned, so there will be more coming up on it.
@iansouch
@iansouch 2 года назад
I’ve fitted Propex sound absorbing ducting on the intake & output. The longer the better, makes it nice & quite.
@VincentDagenais
@VincentDagenais 4 года назад
Could you list all the parts with the links where to biy them. You mods is realmy beautiful. Love the top. Love the details to the boy and your storage! Great projet. Look foward! In 2020 theres a Vanagon on my bucketlist! Hahaha From Montreal Qc
@CliveWebbAustralia
@CliveWebbAustralia 4 года назад
Firstly, hello from the Hunter Valley in Australia. Secondly, I came here because I’m interested in camper vans and then incredibly I find out you have MX5‘s. I say incredibly because not only do I own 4 campers, 4x4 Mitsubishi L300s which are approximately the same size as your VW, but I also own 4 MX5‘s. I used to think that camper vans and small sports cars were an odd combination to own/collect, but apparently not, lol. I love your VW van. You have done a great job with the work that you’ve done it. I really enjoyed the video. I have now subscribed. Thank you.
@yassinebenmarzouk1615
@yassinebenmarzouk1615 4 года назад
Great work, it's a lovely van to live in! but I have a question, so how do u manage to access the engine with the two drawers? ^^
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
they lift out by removing 2 screws, so not that difficult.
@pmeyer37
@pmeyer37 2 года назад
Apologies for being so late to the party, recently bought a Syncro and am converting it. What seats are those?
@pmeyer37
@pmeyer37 2 года назад
The front seats I mean...
@leilal8053
@leilal8053 4 года назад
2me a Westfalia/Vanagon HAS 2B RED with the white pop-top. That is my favorite shade of RED 4 cars. ☺👌👍
@Erniebus
@Erniebus 5 лет назад
Great job on that conversion!
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
thank you
@ericschmitt7369
@ericschmitt7369 4 года назад
Beautiful build sir! have you lowered the van?
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Thank you, yes it has been lowered by 70mm
@nickwhy9233
@nickwhy9233 5 лет назад
Nice clean van.
@coltschad8988
@coltschad8988 3 года назад
Nice camper! Just bought my van and going to start my conversation. Where did you buy the pop up from?
@gozharry7404
@gozharry7404 5 лет назад
Great handiwork & pro presentation! Keep up the good work.....
@najeebkhan1265
@najeebkhan1265 2 года назад
brilliant job.stunning van.very nice work on cabinets and upholstery
@martineorito8210
@martineorito8210 3 года назад
where can iget thiz at how much
@alexleon619
@alexleon619 4 года назад
Прекрасная ,профессиональная работа. Отличная презентация! Спасибо! Beautiful, professional work. Great presentation! Thanks!
@Vollzer
@Vollzer 3 года назад
all the miatas at the back
@dillonwild7016
@dillonwild7016 2 года назад
Love the van , got one myself that I'm doing. Would be interested to see another video on seatbelt install. Thanks
@Liamautomechanic
@Liamautomechanic 5 лет назад
A Tidy Van well done.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
thank you
@pepesimelanethisissowonder8601
@pepesimelanethisissowonder8601 5 месяцев назад
How much it cost
@damianbiaobrzeg2789
@damianbiaobrzeg2789 4 года назад
Having t3 multivan in UK is more like having convertible on southpole
@fema1340
@fema1340 2 года назад
Bellissimo.
@ruby055
@ruby055 4 года назад
Awesome job..well thought out design.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Thank you!
@retroandy7166
@retroandy7166 9 месяцев назад
Great great van! Lovely colour and paint work!
@akshayraveendrank9054
@akshayraveendrank9054 4 года назад
Hi bro am from Kerala .ur work is great its my dream to make a camper van .westfalia is available in India?
@currierplastering
@currierplastering 5 лет назад
Where did you get the new poptop canvas made?
@danandrs
@danandrs 3 года назад
What make/manufacturer is this type of roof? We’ve just bought one with the same one and trying to get info on it
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 3 года назад
Hi, the van was originally made converted by Danbury and the pop top was fitted by them, they are rare pop tops, I've only ever seen one other T25 for sale with the same top, and I've never seen one when out and about.
@danandrs
@danandrs 3 года назад
@@lightsuplightsdown3018 no wonder I’m struggling to find out any info
@gabrieltapia1606
@gabrieltapia1606 5 лет назад
Great job! i am trying to do the same with mine! working on the floor now, do you know where can i get some good interior plans with measures? thanks a lot for sharing your video!
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi Gabriel, I don't know of any plans, I just measured mine in situ as I was making the units, I started with the fridge unit and worked my way back
@BohemiVan
@BohemiVan 5 лет назад
The BohemiVan van is a VW T25. What was the name of the heater? Nice van by the way. Very different to mine but very impressive.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi, The heater is a propex and runs off gas
@Mr031068
@Mr031068 Год назад
Superb craftsmanship 👏
@youshouldseethis.6678
@youshouldseethis.6678 4 года назад
I want more videos on this
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
There are more coming, actually there is one going out at 6:00pm today :)
@naneek800
@naneek800 4 года назад
Not t25 only in the uk is it called such it’s a type 2 T3
@samwilson7677
@samwilson7677 5 лет назад
Top video and great looking van. I'm looking at T25's now and have zero experience with any of this kind of work, where are you guys based? Do you do renovation/conversion stuff generally or was this a personal project? cheers
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi Sam, We don't currently do that sort of work as part of the business, I did this one for my own personal use, but if there is interest I might consider starting to do this sort of work
@norn83
@norn83 3 года назад
this is amazing sir, what an inspiration for me to make my own
@liambyrne591
@liambyrne591 4 года назад
Any opinions on the rusty lee bed ,seat belts etc
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 4 года назад
Hi Liam, the rusty lee bed is great, easy to use and fit, that version doesn't come with seatbelts though
@DaZeDJareD
@DaZeDJareD 4 года назад
That looks wicked nice work
@davidfirth6535
@davidfirth6535 5 лет назад
Fantastic job, well done.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Thanks David, I have more planned so I'll make sure I create videos as I go along
@СергейКласс-п4у
@СергейКласс-п4у 5 месяцев назад
Класс.удачи
@stevenmilanovic7398
@stevenmilanovic7398 3 года назад
Very beautiful van nice one.
@beccabligh1358
@beccabligh1358 5 лет назад
Great vid thanks for sharing! I just got a vw t25 and am definitely going to get those mirrors after seeing this!
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Those mirrors are well worth getting, they make such a difference
@stakesadiku8175
@stakesadiku8175 2 года назад
Dove si trova il indirizzo che sono interessato a comprare grazie
@patrickevans8940
@patrickevans8940 3 года назад
Cracking job there looks great 👍
@aavalos163
@aavalos163 4 года назад
I love your camper van design.
@JG-mp5nb
@JG-mp5nb 3 года назад
Very nice upgrades!
@tj-kv6vr
@tj-kv6vr 4 года назад
out bumper, shock bumper
@Qwerty_rides
@Qwerty_rides Год назад
What rims are those?
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 Год назад
Borbet A
@юрийю-о7ш
@юрийю-о7ш 5 лет назад
packing paint used for car
@lukeforsyth7806
@lukeforsyth7806 4 года назад
Nicely done!! looking at putting some Daytime running Lights on my T25, which ones did you use as i cant find any in a nice shape? cheers
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 3 года назад
Hi Luke, those were called Terrapods I think, but to be honest they are crap, some of the LED's have already failed and one of the lenses has become UV damaged, I'm looking to change them
@iantrott9152
@iantrott9152 4 года назад
Love your work on the T25 :) I’ve got an early Autohomes T25 that is in need of some TLC, one day I’ll be able to get it done :)
@damioncox8584
@damioncox8584 4 года назад
are you taking the piss? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lP5u8b1L9LA.html
@paulcurry1608
@paulcurry1608 3 года назад
Great job 👍🏻
@beduiini
@beduiini 5 лет назад
Hi! Yes yes! More Volkswagen stuff! :) How does the enginebay cover come off? Does it fit without taking anything out?
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi, I'll have to do a video showing how the engine cover comes off
@alienufo6284
@alienufo6284 4 года назад
2:44 amazingggg 😳🤦‍♂️😵
@teamnsr5821
@teamnsr5821 5 лет назад
Nobady says nothing about gray supra? 😨
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Its in some videos, check through the videos on the channel, there is also one coming up with it
@Lakbay-Camper
@Lakbay-Camper 4 года назад
Best arrangement I've ever seen..Great
@tj-kv6vr
@tj-kv6vr 4 года назад
Gorgeous
@philjones5728
@philjones5728 5 лет назад
Good video but more MX5 related ones PLEASE!! Really interested in your mk1 turbo and what you did as the modifications that supported the turbo conversion. Also any issues you had and what to watch out for. 8¬D
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi Phil, more MX5 videos are planned, so don't worry, along with some about our recently finished 330bhp MX5 Turbo, so keep an eye out for that!
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Oh and the next MX5 Related video comes out on Friday morning :-)
@robinforrest7680
@robinforrest7680 5 лет назад
Yep. Nice video. I know at least 4 people (including myself! - though mine's a T4 Calfornia) who are into MX5s and VW campers. So you are not alone ! I wish I could find a way to tow Mia the NA behind TiFourTwo but unfortunately towing dollies are illegal in France. So Mia has to stay at home when we go on holiday 🙁. Any ideas ?
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
could you put it on a small car trailer?
@robinforrest7680
@robinforrest7680 5 лет назад
@@lightsuplightsdown3018 Yeah that's what I wanted to do but French législation is really complex and after investigation it looks like I need to pass a special category on my driving licence. There's also a complex calculation to be done of tow vehicle and trailer loaded and unloaded weights. The towing vehicle must be heavier I think than the total of the trailer and car.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
@@robinforrest7680 I would have thought the tow vehicle would be heavier than the car and trailer though
@hughelvin5509
@hughelvin5509 5 лет назад
very nicely done, looks really good excellent colour scheme.
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Thanks Hugh, I can't take all the credit for the colour scheme, my wife had most of the input about that
@francisdsouza9499
@francisdsouza9499 5 лет назад
Are VW golf RABBIT buses gonna launched in India are this van are supposed to come .
@Tubeglow_one
@Tubeglow_one 5 лет назад
Hey! Awesome van! How much is it lowered? What Springs and shocks and wheel size is on here? Looks perfect!🙌
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi Mack, Thanks for the comments, it was lowered on something like 70mm lowered springs, but the ride was terrible, then i found out that the front was sitting on the bump stops, so I cut them down which improved the ride, but I noticed that it started to get even lower on the front over the next few months, until eventually it was back on the bump stops again. So basically the springs were knackered and sagged, so I've now fitted 50mm drop AVO springs, its higher than when this video was made, but man the ride is sooooo much better!!!
@Tubeglow_one
@Tubeglow_one 5 лет назад
@@lightsuplightsdown3018 Thanks man! Its actually the 50mm AVO springs with shocks im considering on my high top westy. Its heavier so should sit lower then yours. Im hearing lots of shit about AVO not even making the car lower etc. But you seem happy so thats good. You dont have tire size and rim size for me also? :) Love they way this is sitting. I know mine will be taller, but hey. Its gonna be close.
@alainhenry1729
@alainhenry1729 4 года назад
So no off-road for this beauty,white upholstery low suspension and front spoiler will not match with country trail . A bit of à pity for a VW camper but nice work anyway
@alainhenry1729
@alainhenry1729 4 года назад
So no off-road for this beauty,white upholstery low suspension and front spoiler will not match with country trail . A bit of à pity for a VW camper but nice work anyway
@helenspicer4246
@helenspicer4246 5 лет назад
More pls...really interesting
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Helen Spicer we have another video planned with this, so keep an eye out for it 👍🏻😀
@robbygreene2
@robbygreene2 5 лет назад
Mate, you did a great job on the details! Your back cabinet is well thought out! I would love to see more of the cabinets and how they were joined/finished. Great video!
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Thanks, this video is so popular that I think I might do a more detailed follow up on it
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi, thanks, I'll probably do a more detailed video on the interior at some point, along with some upgrades i have planned
@kevinwells5802
@kevinwells5802 5 лет назад
Great Job :) looks great! I'm just about to start my T25 interior replacement, do you mind if i ask how many sheets of laminated ply you used for the interior? still trying to work out all measurements etc.. so i can price it up :)
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
Hi Kevin, I used 3 sheets of the cream and 1 sheet of the red, I do have some left over that I will be using for some modifications
@kevinwells5802
@kevinwells5802 5 лет назад
@@lightsuplightsdown3018great :) thanks for that, did you work off of a ready made plan? Or did you use templates etc...
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
@@kevinwells5802 No I just made it to what I wanted, so no templates or plans
@johnhoughton9013
@johnhoughton9013 5 лет назад
is this a 4x4???
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
No, its a 2wd with the 1.9 petrol water boxer engine
@sangesemekazi9786
@sangesemekazi9786 4 года назад
Great van
@sangesemekazi9786
@sangesemekazi9786 4 года назад
And great work
@susansharkey2372
@susansharkey2372 5 лет назад
What sort of money does a pop top cost?
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
It really depends, there are a lot of used items out there, but new I think its something like £3000 for a westfalia style one, all I did here was change the canvas part, which cost me about £400 if I remember correctly
@susansharkey2372
@susansharkey2372 5 лет назад
Thanks for that!
@currierplastering
@currierplastering 5 лет назад
@@lightsuplightsdown3018 where did you get it from please
@lightsuplightsdown3018
@lightsuplightsdown3018 5 лет назад
@@currierplastering the company that did it doesn't do that sort of work anymore
@currierplastering
@currierplastering 5 лет назад
@@lightsuplightsdown3018 thanks for replying
@johneastman1905
@johneastman1905 4 года назад
Sorry, but for 70 mm of vanity, you cut back the factory designed front impact bumper. I would try spending a long week in a wheel chair before doing that, these things are Remarkable stout and tough by careful design, see the documentary videos on T3s
@65undies
@65undies Год назад
Good job mate, I was very interested to hear how you went about it as I need to start planning mine, thanks.
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