Designing a PCB patch antenna for WiFi and Bluetooth | KiCad | Philip Salmony

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Calculating and designing a simple PCB antenna. Can you guess how big is it? Thank you Philip Salmony
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- Phil's RU-vid Channel: / phils94
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Chapters:
00:00 What this video is about
00:09 What microstrip pcb patch antenna is
04:38 Er and calculating Eeff (effective permittivity)
07:24 Calculating length of pcb patch antenna
10:04 Online Calculator to get size of patch antenna
11:20 Calculating width
16:37 The feed of a PCB antenna
19:31 Calculating quarter-wave transformer
25:18 Ground plane under pcb antenna
27:39 Finished PCB antenna
30:06 PCB antenna used on a board
37:17 Schematic
43:06 PCB Antenna Footprint
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30 июл 2024

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@ShopperPlug 2 года назад

29:48 - Wow LMFAO... "Patches O'Houlihan"... nobody never gunna know that "inside" joke until googling it. This is by far the most astounding tutorial on the PCB patch antenna with great details of explanation and math formulas, it can be understood by hobbyists. Thanks Mr. Feranec for making these videos.

@simonbaxter8001 2 года назад

You should always provide 0603 or 0402 pads for an LC matching network between the antenna and output of the ESP. Through calculation and layout, you will never get the optimal configuration until you test it with a VNA from the pin of the ESP looking outward towards the antenna. Plus there are much smaller PCB antenna footprints and designs than this! Cypress have a great application note on PCB antenna design ... "Cypress AN91445 - Antenna Design and RF Layout Guidelines".

@shahzaibshamim6524 2 года назад

Great video as always. Waiting for this for a very long time.

@nikolayfedurin6025 2 года назад

Thank you Robert for the great content you are creating!

@heliumlabs 2 года назад

Hi Robert, I really enjoy your videos. I'd really wish to get more schematic reviews. They're a great way to learn

@JLCPCB 2 года назад

Interesting and very informative video! 🙂

@samihawasli7408 2 года назад

When calculating wavelength, you can literally type in "speed of light / (2.4 GHz * sqrt(3.1))" Google will keep track of the units very well. Who ever at google worked on their unit analysis is quite good, I have yet to run into conversion that won't work.

@FailCommando 2 года назад

Exactly what I was waiting for thank you

@phamtranhoang251 2 года назад

Loving your videos, I learnt too much experience from your video, your sharing, your partner sharing. They are very useful for me and everyone. Wising you are always healthy.

@lukaswalczak93 2 года назад

Great video! Be careful with some ESPs, because not all of them feature a 50Ohm impedance on their RF pin! For example the esp8366 has a complex impedance like 30+20j Ohms, so it would need further matching circuitry. Always take care of the reference designs!

@PhilsLab 2 года назад

Good catch! I (naively) assumed a 50R impedance at the LNA_IN pin without double-checking. Added in an impedance matching circuit to the design :)

@adamrak7560 Год назад

@@PhilsLab In my (limited) experience, you should always assume complex impedance at the pin for every IC. It is a nice surprise when it is 50R without imaginary parts, but usually you need to do some complex impedance matching.

@mostafakh5075 2 года назад

Phil and Robert 👍a great team

@DLSDKING 2 года назад

Thank you Robert and Phil for the video. TBH i thought you are gonna implement the filters on the patch itself but i learnt something new. Although an optional provision for impednace tuner with passives could potentially save respins of PCB. Also @ 35:50 you were unsure about the Tx power setting. I advise you to check esp-idf documentation for the function " esp_err_t esp_wifi_set_max_tx_power(int8_t power);" there is a similar function prototype define for arduino(if you use arduino) called "WiFi.setOutputPower(float x);".

@pnjunction5689 2 года назад

Very interesting video! I would like to see how the actual antenna performs. I've only recently started working with the ESP32 and I'm quite impressed by it's capabilities. There's a bit of a learning curve associated with the IDF framework, but the documentation and examples are very good. I found it much easier to start with compared to the STM32. Big bonus: you can actually buy the parts ;-) For debugging, the serial monitor is quite useful. The cheapest hardware solution for JTAG debugging seems to be a FTDI2232 board...which, of course, you can't buy at the moment.

@damny0utoobe Год назад

Robert and Phil combine forces for antennas

@maximus6884 2 года назад

Absolutely quality content

@programmingtech2550 2 года назад

You are doing a great job.

@guillep2k 2 года назад

Great video!!!

@cesar_otoniel 2 года назад

This information is more practical than anything on my ee curriculum

@666aron 2 года назад

Yet another amazing and invaluable video. This gave me insight and hope that maybe I too can learn the black magics of RF. My antenna knowledge goes as far as: this is recommended by the manufacturer, so I use this. Hopefully I will have time to learn more about it, so that I could design a custom embedded computer with integrated GSM on board. Edit: I don't know about the Arduino side, because I avoid it like the plague, but in the esp-idf, one can use any FT2232 as JTAG programmer/debugger in combination with OpenOCD.

@ajays886 4 месяца назад

He is one of the greatest ❤, Thanks to phils lab exploring

2 года назад

40:30 You can also use RTS CTS pins to enter boot mode automacially. You don't need to use EN button.

@NE-Explorer 2 года назад

Consider the details when you make your own antenna. Sometimes you may need to tune it with a matching network for any number of reasons, especially if there us something in your enclosure that interacts with the antenna. Sometimes you need to provide easy access for regulatory testing. So consider adding a UFL connector on the feed line for a spectrum analyzer or network analyzer that can be DNP for production.

@myetis1990 2 года назад

OMG, Robert reads my mind :)) Previous video Zach Peterson, Now Philip Salmony, what is next? Daniel Beeker from NXP ? (SI/PI would be great!) Thanks for the great content

@Gengh13 2 года назад

If you made the thin line longer so it crosses the center of the other "1" pads you don't need to connect them with a track, they already appear connected. Source: I do a lot of custom multi-package footprints.

@user-hc8lg7fs7m 11 месяцев назад

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@MatthiasWelwarsky 2 года назад

You can draw copper in footprints. You just need to make them part of the pad. In fact you can make pads any shape you want. You also missed an opportunity to demonstrate openEMS with KiCad to simulate the antenna.

@antoinebrunel8892 2 года назад

Thanks for the video! I was asking Why you let the ground plane on the bottom size ?

@bennymegidish 2 года назад

Does the Raspberry Pi Zero antenna qualifies as a 2.4Ghz patch antenna? it is much smaller than the limitations you explained for design you are testing.

@ggarza78 2 года назад

Can I use these designs on a MEMBRANE?? I would like to add the design of the antenna on the membrane, so it is hidden and in the exterior of my instrument.

@nidhinbenny7975 2 года назад

Alt. Title: Lewandowski discusses his electronics hobby with Phil Salmony

@doktortronikelektronikaszk4070 2 года назад

There are better antenna type for BT/WIFI. At 2.4GHz inverted F antennas, meander antennas or ceramic chip antennas may be a better solution. Especially when your product will have an enclosure walls close to antenna. Patch will detune a lot within close proximity of any plastics.

@PhilsLab 2 года назад

Completely agree. Performance of this antenna vs others isn’t great, also in terms of size. This video is simply to demonstrate one of the easiest antennae to design, without much/any prior knowledge.

@doktortronikelektronikaszk4070 2 года назад

@@PhilsLab yes, it is a good introduction to antenna topics and how to match them using lambda/4 transformer. Good job!

@jyreprejoles7604 10 месяцев назад

Hi sir. Do you have a 2.4 ghz (wifi/Bluetooth )flexible antenna using Polyimide substrate? I think its more nice if we use flexible antenna for that project. Thank you.

@sulaimansani3459 2 года назад

YOU ARE SO GREAT SIR, PLEASE DESIGN MIMO ANTENNA USING 5G APPLICATION.

@mibrahim4245 Год назад

Hi, Do you have a comprehensive course about antennas ? beginner-friendly ... thanks

@vinaygh90 Год назад

One correction to make note of - around 21:20 and 23:45, when you calculate the width of the feed line, you are using 1GHz as the frequency. This should be 2.4GHz, isn't it ?

@mohammadshebli162 2 года назад

Nice topics as usual I would like to ask about 7:11, what does impedance here mean? and for what can we use it?

2 года назад

He is calculating effective permittivity and impedance here is just the impedance of the track if you draw a copper line.

@mohammadshebli162 2 года назад

@ I mentioned this because he used two websites, and each one gives different value for impedance Thanks for your response

@EfraAv 2 года назад

Awesome. Is it possible to use this type of antennas in the Sub-GHz too?

@doktortronikelektronikaszk4070 2 года назад

Due to antenna size rather no. Try inverted f antenna - IFA.

@EfraAv 2 года назад

@@doktortronikelektronikaszk4070 I'm looking for a ceramic antenna too but can't find a guide on how to connect the balun to the antenna. Any guidance you could give? Thanks!

@doktortronikelektronikaszk4070 2 года назад

@@EfraAv Wurth Electronics has good selection of Antennas, also Abracon or other manufacturers (i design a lot of LoRa devices on Abracon and Rainsun antennas). Key success here is to have some space on the PCB to keep the clearance for ceramic antenna. When you select the antenna - measure its impedance with VNA in the enclosure with target PCB of your device and then design matching network. Try to keep in mind that something like ETSI standard exists so attenuation of harmonics may have an impact on the matching network type.

@AlbertRei3424 Год назад

Did the antenna work ?

@enginstud8852 2 года назад

I want to learn all of this from scratch, any recommendation?

@plinsburg 2 года назад

You mean the RF world and antennas design or the electronics in general? The traditional way in the latter case would be to start from these two books: www.csit-sun.pub.ro/courses/cn2/Digital_design_book/Digital%20Design%20and%20Computer%20Architecture.pdf artofelectronics.net/

@enginstud8852 2 года назад

@@plinsburg I meant rf world and anthenna,thanks, I'll check that