Idea for next video for new Linux users: In Windows, maintenance can be daily/weekly reboots, clearing profile and system Temp folders, optimize drives, registry cleaner, etc. List out any maintenance tasks needed or recommended for a Linux OS. If none, good time to provide high level overview why it is not needed to show differences between a Windows and Linux OS.
Yeah good idea. Just a quick answer before the full video comes out: You don't really need to do much or any maintenance in Linux. It kinda depends on the distro and mostly on the package manager but from time to time you can clean the cache of the package manager if it eats a lot of space on your system drive. Maybe manually delete config folders, in your home dir, after you uninstall program, if of course you don't plan to reinstall the program in the future and you like keep it's config. And if you have ssd enable TRIM (DO NOT USE 'discard' OPTION!!! run 'fstrim' periodically instead, like once a week (most distros have systemd timer which you just need to enable or is enabled by default)). If you change DEs it's good to remove their config/cache files. I'm on Arch which needs probably the most maintenance and that's most of the things I do (1 more thing is when program updates and I've changed it's config before if it has new default config it will install it as separate file which I have to merge with my config myself).
Would appreciate some maintenance guidance here. Currently using bleachbit, and removing yay's cache. Also an occasional fstrim. I have plenty of free space, but don't like 'mess'. I still kinda have the windows filesystem mentality (NTFS being the main reason I moved away!)
Hi Chris. You could start this series with a video with a "why go to Linux?" What are the pros and cons? Will all the software be there? Can I sync my contacts to my phone? Is it convenient? Can I work from at home if my office uses windows? Can I run windows on Linux if I have to? How do I deal with professional software like Autocad or Filemaker if I have a Linux system? Some history (short) could be good.
Maybe you will mention this in a future video, but each desktop environment can also be customized further with widgets or add-ons. This way if a user maybe just doesn't like the default application menu, they can find an alternative. Users are not stuck with the default layout. This is the great thing with the linux desktop environments, you can adjust them to work the way you want to. You aren't stuck with that being dictated by the owner of the operating system.
Longtime Linux user here since 2005. I've tinkered with quite a few of them, and that's one of many reasons I love Linux. To me, less is more (GNOME makes my head hurt and I find KDE too overwhelming), and I prefer Xfce, or LXDE if I'm using something underpowered.
Excellent video. Choosing a desktop environment can be a daunting choice for a new Linux user, but this video clarifies much of the initial confusion. Fantastic content, as always, Chris. 👍 👍
Man! I love your videos so much. Finally I was able to switch to Linux (Manjaro 18, KDE) I only use windows for 1 program! I even gave up premiere pro and after effects, now I can live on Linux completely! Thank you!
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I really like KDE, it's very comfortable to use and KDEConnect is fantastic. And I love the KDE software, like Dolphin, Kate, Kile, and Konsole.
you got that to work? I am still confused on how. ps I am using fedora 32 and KDE so that may be the issue. if you know how to make that work I would like to know how and possibly get documentation on that as well.
Your incendiary love of KDE makes me want to try it again. The last time I used it, I broke it. I definitely would say it's not the best DE for new Linux users to try. It's better to get familiar with Linux first, maybe distro hop to see if you can find a distro that works best for you, and just work with that for a while. I'd say Cinnamon if you're trying to stay close to what Windows was like, or Gnome if you're trying to explore a little bit and try something that's totally different from Windows. Then start experimenting with different DEs. KDE is by far the most customizable DE, and it's easy to break something if you don't know what you're doing.
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw If you agree that it's easy to break it, then you know why I say it's not the best DE for new Linux users. New Linux users are coming from Windows or MacOS, which both have very limited customizability. You CAN customize Windows (idk about MacOS, I don't use it), but it's a pretty involved process and involves aesthetic things more than practical things. It's also impossible to do things like accidentally remove the task bar entirely, which was one of the mistakes that I made when I was giving Manjaro a try. I know how to fix that mistake now, but at the time I was still brand new to Linux and was curious and learning a lot of new things. Losing the ability to control my computer via the task bar and not knowing how to fix it was kinda scary. I realized I had fucked up and didn't know what to do about it other than to reinstall the operating system. But since my bad experience was with Manjaro, I decided not to reinstall Manjaro and went with Linux Mint instead. It was more comfortable and didn't give me as many things for my curious mind to tinker with and end up accidentally breaking something because I was getting ahead of myself. This happend to me about a year and a half, maybe two years ago. I now pretty much exclusively use KDE and run more complicated and customized installations of Linux, but that's only because Linux is something that I'm heavily interested in and is one of my favorite hobbies. So I was determined to continue using Linux and learn how to correct my mistakes and make Linux better for myself. Other new users, however, may not be as determined. If they have an uncomfortable experience with Linux early on, they may just go back to Windows or Mac and never look back. Which is fine. It's their right to do what they want with their computers. But it's bad for Linux and the GNU philosophy of freeing end users from their corporate shackles. Users shouldn't have to be forced to make silly commitments and agree to invasive privacy policies just to use software that, in mose cases, isn't even theirs once they purchase or subscribe. They're simply purchasing a lease that allows them to use someone else's software, forcefully subjugating them to whatever policies and standards the developers decide. There should be a better option available to users who want it, and Linux is that option. Yes, the freedom that Linux provides does come at a cost, but that can be mitigated. However, if Linux scares people away because the very interface that users use to interact with their computers fails or breaks and they don't know how to fix it easily, then Linux immediately loses is status as a better option. Better to have a system that spies on them but they can still use it, than to have a system that they can't use at all because they accidentally broke their KDE desktop.
I've been using KDE however with the Latte Dock, it's pretty much MacOS. Love how customizable Linux is. Thank you algorithm for letting stumble across this amazing channel and operating system!!
Kind comment Chris: need more graphics or video about the 5 main distros at the same time that you are explaining. Is difficult to the new user figured out what you are talking about. Desktop are visual 100%, so you need show the desktop. (A quick demo of each distro) "Here is the start buttom", "here are the settings" "like windows in this desktop you can change your backgronud" ... things like that. Just a kind suggestion. In my case i pass for the 0 start and i can understand, but the root of that "virgin user" that want to switch to Linux, neds be more simple.
Awesome video Chris very well explained, I started with mate about nine months ago and have enjoyed it very much. But recently I've swapped over to xfce 14.4 it is gorgeous.
As a recent convert from Windows to Linux, I found Cinnamon desktop the easiest to relate to, and Budgie was also pretty good. Once I gained some experience and knowledge, I started to prefer KDE for its flexibility, and Xfce is also good in that regard, especially if you have a lower powered machine. If you're a convert from Mac, I would probably look at Deepin or Elementary (Pantheon) options first. I find Gnome to be more difficult because I've always been brought up with point and click rather than using keyboard shortcuts... but that's just my use case scenario :) Nice work, Chris... as always :)
I love the perspective you presented on letting the desktop environment that YOU like, go with you as you try different distributions... so that you know where everything is. Taking your “familiarity” with you. I think that is the most valuable perspective for new users to understand. It gives a different thought as to what is really most important to users too.
One thing that's realy cool on KDE/Plasma Desktop is you can replace the standard panel with the Latte Dock Panel and you can even make windows go underneath it when maximized
OMG Chris....... I honestly just wrote a long post about this on your subreddit... Guess I will just watch this instead. I searched your entire channel last night and now this - SCARY
Hope you see this comment, but be nice if you could go through each Desktop Environment / DE and make a video to explain them. You might have that by now. But, be nice to see all of the options of each DE in a separate video. But, again, thanks. You are so encouraging me to move from my life-time skillset and career option. Because I see benefits of Linux now, after 2 of my wife's computers are hosed after Windows updates. 1) 120gb SSD is too small for update so windows updated itself, but paused / stopped, and now system is locked itself up -- doesn't have any more space on drive ... so, I bought a 480gb to now have TO MOVE THE WINDOW FAILING INSTALL to a BIGGER DRIVE where it can continue installing. 2) other one did the last windows update -- because it was on a much older Win10 version update (few updates back, whatever don't remember which version of Win10) and now, many files are corrupted or messed up. It will boot into safe enviornment but WIndows won't run. So, I've got 2 down machines in my house, and I've got to take care of that over Pandemic period. But, I can see how Linux would never have that damned problem occur. So, I get the benefits, Titus, you are breaking through to me now.
Great overview Chris, I wish this video was around when I first started looking into Linux and making sense of it. I think you should of mentioned the Budgie desktop. New users from Windows would find it really familiar and its a great desktop environment.
Over the years I've always gravitated over to XFCE no matter which distro I'm playing with at the time. It just seems to be the perfect mix of features vs. hardware efficiency for my usage. It just seems like it can be as simple or as complex as the user wants it to be. KDE is probably my second favorite because of the options, but it's just too much for me after a while. I don't think I've ever really cared for Gnome. I don't hate it (except for maybe Gnome 3, I really don't like it at all lol) but I just never cared for it and usually switched to something else pretty quickly after trying to use it.
Due to my distro-hopping experience I can honestly say that if you search for something light and good-looking MATE is the way to go. I am using it on my old netbook. I wanted cinnamon but it was too sluggish, Xfce was sluggish a bit, and MATE runs buttery smooth, and it looks bit better than LXDE, especially with installed compiz, emerald, and conky. for this machine I do not consider gnome or kde. Also: I noticed that Debian MATE works faster than Ubuntu MATE on this netbook. (lenovo s10)
There is another related set of properties for desktops. The more complex functions a desktop provides, the less reliable it will be in practice. There is a reason why XFCE is always rock solid and KDE is always somewhat more buggy. The price for more functionality (complexity) is less reliability.
True. I think MATE has found the perfect balance there. You can do a crap ton of things with it using Compiz, and it's not gonna crash on you no matter what you do.
you confuse "in practice" for "in theory" And you're only *kind of* correct. More complexity increases the *possibility* of instability not necessarily *actual* instability in the system. Also xfce's relative simplicity does not guarantee it's superior stability. There's too many other factor involved from basic dev-ops to review and code quality, the experience, size and expertise of the development team, how active that team is, how responsive they are to bugs and much more.
@@clausmartini1074 I second your opinion, MATE has found the perfect balance. Though they should work a little on their aesthetics. It would make it seem much better for majority, in my opinion.
Linux Mint's pretty good, reminiscent of Peppermint OS, but I'd hardly recommend if you're running with a large hard drive size and anything over 4gb RAM. In those 2 instances it just becomes kind of a dry, non-hardware-pushing experience unfortunately.
how about Windows managers ??? I3 / bspwm or awesome ? i think you need to talk about them so newbie do not install I3 and then Linux is ***** and never see the light
Agreed, and he also forgot Budgie DE, as it's become my favorite to use with Manjaro, as it's new user friendly, basic looking, but still looks good, is a good balance of features, while still being lightweight, and stable.
@@CommodoreFan64 You can't say he forgot anything. The choices are way too vast. Chris included what he wanted to cover. You think something is missing? What's stopping you from making your own video?
@@Dude_Slick Well excuse me for adding constructive criticism to a video, which is the original function of the RU-vid comments, so creators of RU-vid videos get feedback on their videos of what their viewers like, and don't like. So if you can't handle that, then maybe you should not be on RU-vid.
LXDE is is evolving into LXQT, .LXDE used a mix if GTK and QT elements. Some of these element are no longer developed or supported. LXQT uses QT for common, current and well supported components. It also makes things more consistent over all the desktop applications QT is a set of components called "tool Kit" or "tool set" They are pre-made building blocks for programmers to handle common functions, like file selection and program configuration. . One problem with installing multiple desktops is the possible mix of tool kits they require. Setting arrangements may vary between desktops and related tool kits.
In older terms, the desktop environment is the GUI (graphical user interface) - Windows 3.1 was a desktop environment/gui (it was the graphical user interface to the backbone DOS)
You did a great job covering the most common Desktop Environments. You should cover some window managers (like OpenBox or i3) and how to build your own Desktop Environment if someone wishes to go that route, I know that is for more advanced users but some people wanting to branch out to Arch or Gentoo may want to go that route..
Chris, you are my go to guy for Linux. I will be switching to Linux when I get my new laptop around the first of the year. I'm not going to play around using external hard drives. I'm going to make the switch and commit to learning Linux. I've toyed with the idea for 10 years now but couldn't overcome the fear of losing the familiarity factor. I hate MS and Windows and want to get as far away from them as I can and since I'm running Windows 7 now is the perfect time to switch. I subscribed to your channel about a month ago and I really appreciate everything you have taught me. Thanks
Just as a little abriged history on Linux DEs, KDE was the first big one, followed by gnome. They were the first "suites" of full desktop environments with all the creature comforts modern users expect from their desktop experience. Both Cinnamon and Mate were created after the gnome team launched "gnome 3" (gnome-shell nowadays). Mate is basically a re-creation of old gnome, while Cinnamon caters more to the UX that windows users are accustomed to. XFCE and LXDE were "addons" to a base X session (the latter now being deprecated and replaced with LXQt) and Enlightment was a really cool idea in the early 2000s since it was super flexible. Chris, you should probably check out Budgie, it's not really big right now but it's a great DE if you're into the windows kind of layout. It's based on gnome's stack but instead of the heavy gnome-shell on top, it has a really streamlined and snappy DE. PS: almost if not all of the DEs mentioned can be customized. You can have a KDE based desktop that looks and feels like OSX with a top bar and a bottom panel, or a gnome shell with a start menu and a bottom panel just like windows. Welcome to linux, you can have it _your_ way!
You forgot Budgie, as it's my favorite so far despite some of its flaws, because it's a good balance of looking good, and being lightweight, it's also a good fit with Manjaro.
Thanks Chris if i hadn't come across your Chanel i would still be on win 10,now have pop os on my main machine and linux mint on my laptop, have even converted my friend from win10 to linux mint. Always informative learnt a great deal from you. thank you.
As a die-hard Gnome fan/user ... KDE is lightweight and runs great on lower hardware. Better than XFCE now. You should avoid Enlightenment if you are new, it's very "tweaky" and WILL require some fiddling. KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE and MATE can be configured via point-and-click (no terminal commands) to look and behave however you want and completely unrecognizable from their respective default installs.
It's *so*weird that Plasma is so lightweight given the level of eye-candy, but it's true. It puts Gnome to shame. (I think this is a HUGE endorsement of Qt, really)
It was, I believe the first DE I ever used/saw - my Maths teacher had it on Gentoo and it came with Ubuntu of course and I fell in love with it and chose distros that came with it (I wasn't too clued up on installing/changing DEs at this time). I did use KDE on OpenSuse and PCLinuxOS for a bit, but then I found OpenSolaris and focused on that rather than Linux for a bit, till I just ended up using mostly macOS and Windows. Currently still with those two on my gaming PC (macOS via Hackintosh methods), and Trinity DE version of Q4OS on this old MSI Wind U100 netbook I acquired with the hope of installing Mac OS X Leopard or Snow Leopard which I eventually gave up banging my head on the wall with and settled for Q4OS after a brief period of Chromium (CloudReady).
I kinda have a bit of Nostalgia with MATE, since it's based on Gnome 2.x and pretty much continued the look and feel, after Gnome 3 came around. The first time I used Linux, it was Ubuntu 8.10 if I remember correctly - or something like that in that time period. Later I became that absolute KDE lover, which propably will be my favorite forever. But I don't know, sometimes I just like using MATE, propaly because of that Nostalgia factor; because other then that KDE gives me anything I could ask for.
really great video, and literally exactly what I've looked for but wasn't about, so spent months trialling ALL the desktop environments! Settled on XFCE, and agree with your use case of minimalism for remote administration, (which is exactly going to be my use case (both locally (headless) and remotely)) ("I use arch BTW")
KDE is the best, you are a man of taste. Although I add the Latte Dock to it and make it somewhat Mac-like with the start menu on the top and tons of extensions in the now-empty sidebar. KDE can be made in to anything it is the most customizable.
*** ON MULTI-DE systems *** it's ez enough. I *highly* recommend sddm display manager. When you install additional DE's they'll appear in the log-in screen as a pull-down or other menu (depending on the theme) automatically, there's really nothing else to do. When you log in, you select the DE , enter your password, and off you go. You can switch between them by logging out of one session and lgging in to a different one in a different DE. EZPZ. Plasma > Gnome (IMO) Gnome is a beast with resource use, the devs have a giant bug up their butt about custom theming and the Gnome extension system is as silly and broken as it was when Apple did it pre-OSX. (remember the puzzle pieces?) Plasma is highly customize-able. So you can go Mac-like or Windows-like or even Gnome-like or even Hanna Montana-like (google it) and they designed it that way. The KDE suite of software is AMAZING. Kden Live among them. Plasma is less resource hungry than Gnome by far. Deepin is from China - meaning it complies with Party requirements. You may or may not find that trustworthy. LXDE is so good for what it is, rescuing and extending the life of old hardware. It's a good thing. There is also LXQt.. because Qt. " ElementaryOS's Pantheon is *gorgeous* and will appeal to new Linux users coming from the Apple ecosystem Cinnamon/Mint are kinda falling out of relevance. New users should consider Elementary instead. I have no experience with xfce, unfortunately.
The interesting thing is also how dynamic Linux can get. If you don't like it - Fork it! MATE and Cinnamon are two pretty popular enviroments and they only happened because of Gnome 3. Many people weren't very happy with that change. So the Folks over at Linux Mint forked Gnome 3 to make it a bit more traditional - cinnamon. And some other Folks just continued with the Gnome 2.x base and worked from there to pretty much maintain it, keep it up to date and pack some feautres in, without really changing the look and feel.
LOL, the Desktop Environment. The one thing that probably separates Linux users more than package managers and the love/hate relationship with SystemD. I loved KDE from 1 to 3, hated KDE 4.x and now back on it in KDE 5. When KDE 4 came out, I switched to Gnome 2.x and when Gnome 3 came out, I went to Cinnamon. After Gnome 2.x got forked and became MATE, and that project gained some traction, I switched to that for a while. Somewhere in between I've run XFCE, Enlightment, LXDE, and built my own environment on Window Managers like Fluxbox, Blackbox, and Window Maker. I've also played around in the extremely basic TWM just to know what that was about and worked with servers running CDE at previous work places. I have Gnome 3 running on my laptop for now, but I probably won't stick with it. Even after all the bug fixes and updates, I just can't stand it. It drives me nuts. I just cannot approve of the direction Gnome has gone with their DE. It makes no sense to me at all, but that's just me. I know I've built odd environments from the ground up on Fluxbox and all they've done is get other people completely lost. My advice to new Linux users: Look at screenshots and maybe even a video of them in action so you can see how they are used and pick one based on that. Don't be afraid to branch out a bit too. I'm willing to bet you're looking leave Microsoft/Apple for more than the the very reasonable reason that you hate them. Try out a few DEs and see which one fills the gaps left open by Microsoft/Apple and consider going with that one instead. My advice for running a GUI on a server: Don't. Just don't. You're going to running everything on the command line anyway so it's not worth it. Linux users/appliances usually use Web based interfaces for a GUI anyway and in my experience there's very little reason to run a GUI on a Linux server. If you need copy/paste, make sure you're using a good terminal emulation that supports it well. If for what ever reason you absolutely MUST run a GUI on a Linux server, then I've had the best results with LXDE, but if time allows it, I'd prefer to take a Window Manager like Fluxbox and build my own DE on that to keep it as minimalist as possible.
Decided to change up tracks here on my end and give myself a 30 day challenge. Backed up my documents/pictures/etc. and wiped my Debian based Cinnamon DE. I am now going Manjaro KDE full-time for 30 days... wish me luck lol
Getting a laptop tomorrow, and the plan is to install linux on it. I have a feeling it's gonna be running Titus Tech RU-vid 24/7. Regarding this video, I think I'll go KDE or Gnome for desktop environment, and sprinkle some of that Conky on it, you talked about some episodes back. Thx for all the great content, sir.
You don't need/want konky with Plasma. That's what widgets are. They're made with QML and make Konky look like a toy and anyway Lua sux compared to QML
KDE is a great choice. It's got some great default apps such as KDE Connect which is an app that allows you to use your phone as a remote control for music and videos, you can use it as a wireless mouse and to transfer files, and Kdenlive which is a very good video editor. Only downside about kdenlive is it's a bit demanding. You'll kinda need a powerful computer to get the best experience out of it. But I guess that goes for KDE in general.
KDE is defiantly one of the heaviest in terms of RAM usage. Just download a few different flavors (like your top 3 or something), put them on some USB sticks and test them. The beauty about Linux is you can test the distribution from the USB stick without installing it. That way you can test the performance and everything before you actually install it. So just do that. Run some programs and do some things.
LXDE will still be supported for a while, so no worries if you’re using it, but LXQt is its successor and is actively developed. These desktops are both used in Lubuntu. The long-term support version of Lubuntu, 18.04, uses LXDE, whereas Lubuntu 19.04 and future releases use LXQt. LXQt isn’t quite as lightweight as LXDE, but it’s more feature-rich while still being very light-weight. They’re both great, especially as alternatives to Xfce, which is slightly heavier.
Motoryzen I haven’t done any side-by-side comparisons, nor have I used Xfce or LXDE recently. I know there are some memory footprint benchmarks floating around on the web, but I haven’t seen any of the recent ones. In my experience, although all were fast, Xfce was heavier and slower than both LXDE and LXQt. But I’m just one anecdotal data point.
I found some recent benchmarks. They’re not the greatest metrics, but it’s clear that in order from lightest to heaviest, it goes LXDE, LXQt, Xfce. But the differences are negligible unless you’re running a very low-spec computer, at which point it might be prudent to run a desktop that’s even more lightweight.
I use to run XFCE, but got tired of having to deal with composting issues with AMD hardware every time I setup a system, so now I use Manjaro with Budgie DE, and no issues on that end.
Helpful summary, though I would have found it more informative (you did ask for feedback!) to see each for longer and with you demonstrating key points of difference for each, including how they look "out of the box" and an example of them customised. This is a useful playlist though and thanks for sharing your experience, it's helping me enter the Linux world as Windows gets less trustworthy and Apple keeps everything as proprietary as ever. :)
When it comes to installing multiple operating system you can install them right beside whichever and it gives you the boot option when you restart and it'll give you the boot option to start into either one of them it's very simple it's very easy to do.
You should have chosen a different screenshot for Deepin. It looks WAY better with visual effects turned on. Other than that, this is a really helpful video for anyone new to Linux. Btw KDE is my favorite "filesystem", too😁 Although it's definitely not lightweight, with some visual settings turned down,or with the compositor turned off altogether, it can run fine on older systems. I've tried using a couple DEs on my main system, but I always landed back on KDE, because I really like its look and customizability.
The first desktop environment for me was KDE 3.*, but then KDE started to change in a way I did not want, and I tried XFCE and LXDE. Use has convinced me XFCE is the best approximation to what I need. I also tried window managers and like some of them, but they are too primitive and require a lot of manual settings before they can be used easily. One thing that prevented me from using window managers, is their screen resolution which resulted in very small font rendering. On my computers I always use bigger than average font rendering. One particulat thing that I hate on XFCE, is touchpad settings do not permit changing mouse speeds beyond a ridiculously slow maximum. Another issue is mouse pointers cannot be selected to be large and clearly visible.
THERE IT IS! Your explanation of lxde and comparison to KDE is exactly why distros matter! Of course I'll customize it, but how happy will I already be with it out-of-the-box? I know you moved on from the argument, but it probably doesn't help that this mantra's still in the back of your mind. At least I assume it is, idk, how long has it been?
I use KDE, and the first thing I do is delete the bottom bar, add a top bar and dock to make it have the MacOS layout, but I get all the customizability of KDE.
Yup. And I went so far as to make a Plasma theme that took the best of what I loved about Apple's look and feel and made a dark-version. (Apple didn't have one yet)
I like KDE, I've set it up enough that I can dial it in just the way I want it without much fuss or muss. Xfce and Mate aren't bad but KDE is my sweet spot. Also don't forget LXQt.
The great thing about Linux, everybody can use whatever software he wants, nobody in a big company tells you which software you get on your system. But use either Arch or Debian base (including popOS) and use KDE. :) (or Gentoo but that is not for beginners)
@@GradyBroyles We should all compile our own BLFS Linux from sources. Preferably the development version of BLFS so we would have more fun with possibly having some bugs that we then get to fix :)
I have observed, that most windows users new to linux complain less when using KDE vs Gnome.... Back when I used a full DE, I really enjoyed KDE.... but now... I prefer Awesome WM with my personalized lua project folder... lol... I did adapt KDE's alt+space search... using rofi to display a search progs in the similar way.... center top screen... within Awesome ;-)
Remember! The main difference in Linux distros are the Desktop Environments and package managers. The rest are the core components are always included in every distro. I know the veterans will say: Why didn't you say GNU/Linux like you usually did? Sometimes I'm lazy. However this time I'm helping the new users to get them started. Cut them some slack you veterans. I'm also young, I used to be like them.
How does i3 (i3-gaps) dwm bspwm fit into these. I understand these are window managers not desktop environments. Does KDE, gnome, etc have there own window managers? Could you use kde with i3-gaps so that applications tile?
You can start with a KDE base distro and install I3 on top of that. Next time you log in switch to I3 and now you're running I3 with all the kde applications
It's worth mentioning that there are a variety desktop enhancements or themes including ones which look like Windows, from XP to version 10, largely from individuals. Just search for "Linux Themes".
@@MarkHobbes Gnome is the best, most customizable and most unique and improving your workflow DE without goin nerd on i3. can do all that kde can and more.and stable.
@@emeukal7683 Most customizable, where? I think you mistyped and meant KDE Plasma. Gnome is not supposed to be customizable, but to be used as it. Gnome itself doesn't bring anything for customization, you need to download third-party tools like (Gnome Tweaks, dConf Editor) and tons of extensions. Do you call this "customizable"? Maybe customizable by the users, not by the system itself.
I have already written somewere in CTT Video comments, that standard computer user do not want to spend years of his time to learn many things of Linux OS. He/ she just wants to use his computer as a tool to do something else, something that he/ she likes more than the computer itself.
Thanks for your videos. Keep going. BTW im a KDE user since KDE 3. In my opinion kubuntu is the best distro for newbies. Gentoo + plasma KDE is the perfect distro if you want to never format again.
By the way, I dont care which DE you use, or how ever you pronounce their names. Just wanted to say that in official videos from GNOME, they do indeed pronounce it Gh-nome. I just use i3wm, without a compositor. I hope other people use what makes them productive or comfortable.
I'm glad I dont distro hop as much as my Ubuntu days. KDE and debian/Arch distros really do a bang up job of providing a surround sound Linux experience. For the newest awesome experiences for a beginner anything but Ubuntu should do. Ubuntu is kinda this annoying, scaled-back Windows-type, or in Ubuntu Gnome/Unity's case, too scaled weirdly:^)
What's important about DE/WM to me is that it has to be: 1. Stable Rock solid. It works exactly the same thing in 100 years time as it did yesterday. I'm not hipster! 2. Good documentation 3. Lightweight I used to use LXDE but apparently lightweight is not the primary focus. I got impression it's gonna follow XFCE: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0cz75cMYHRM.html 4. Win95-esque stacking window manager I don't use tiling window manager. I use dvtm as terminal multiplexer and having two tiling window managements is a bit overkill. About Win95 look and feel it's just a matter of taste.
I've tried Solus, and really want to like it, because of Budgie DE, but when I tried it, a lot of my AMD hardware just did not like it, and some of my older AMD 64 bit AM2 era systems would not boot on it period, but I use Budgie DE daily on all my machines running Manjaro, and outside of a few things like not being able to put icons on desktop, and not being able to move icons around on the right side of my taskbar which are both very minor for me it's been fantastic, as it's very stable, and lightweight, and I don't have worry about compositing issues on AMD hardware as use to do with XFCE, and MATE.
@@CommodoreFan64 yeah I had a couple of small issues, like software that just isn't available for it (looking at you Google Remote Desktop) but the positives surpass the negatives by a long margin.
Fine, all true. But all mentioned here, is in fact just a matter of taste. The fun starts, when it's matter of "to boot or not to boot". I love my Openbox + Tilt2 running on my toy 10" laptop A4-1400 APU. The magic of Linux for me means: the ability to run on all. If you toaster had an HDMI output, there is a distro ready to run on it.
Exelent video! I use a slightly stripped down version of KDE Plasma running on Arch on my workstation, and Deepin Arch for the laptop. The latter gets a little boring albeit really good looking out of the box, but it helps me focus on what I should do instead of fiddeling about with the DE. :)
You did good in this video, Chris! =) Good explanations and reasonable amounts of tech-jargon, compared to the first installment =) Ubuntu Mate seems like a nice way to kick off the Linux experience for a Windows user, or maybe vanilla Ubuntu with Gnome for an ex Mac-user. I used to love Ubuntu Budgie as a beginner. Is Budgie a DE or something else? In the beginning, the way I tried out many desktop environments was, just like like you recommend, by downloading distros with the desktop environments included. Then I installed the system in VMware Player to get a feel for it.
Thank you, Chris. Gnome (on Pop_OS! in particular) does not try to copy Windows or OSX ("10", not "X") for me these days. Though Xfce was my favourite for years (when I first ran it you had to add your own panels and set up the desktop yourself). I liked Gnome 2, so I understand people liking Mate. As for KDE, I don't even like Qt.
Qt's kit is light years ahead of anyone else though. Developing for Qt is a delight compared to GTK. Whomever thought using CSS to style complex UI widgets wasn't looking into the future very far. Early GTK when the kit was relatively simple, that was fine. But now? nope.
@@GradyBroyles , I understand. But I just don't like how the apps look. And I have used them in KDE, not just in Gnome. By the way, some KDE apps are spectacular. Okular is far superior to Evince. And Dolphin is a great file manager.
I wish more DEs would use qt for its base and thus more distros to come with such as well. I know we have a choice but it feels like all the well known distros - especially in the Debian/Ubuntu field - focus on GNOME3. MATE (aka Gnome 2.32 fork) has been my favorite for years and I still recommend it. Personally however, I prefer the Plasma look and feel for the moment.
