Desperate Patient Wants to Freeze His Brain | Chicago Med 

Hmm umm he’s not happy what he’s gonna do

@@harmonilui1238 it’s called sarcasm

Dr.Choi : " No, no, no 👎👎👎 "

More like 😀->🙂->😕->😧->😨

@@YesIlikebananasSo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 spot on

Thanks :)

I wonder if it will work out... if it was real.

@@AllyBubblesSpriggs it is a TV show, not real.

@@peacewhen I guess the chicago team have an interview that they were only using cases that has occurred beforehand

@@peacewhen they base the episodes off of real cases but it’s not identical. Example the one with the twins who thought they were the same person, instead of them wanting a ovary removed they wanted the same root canal procedure and tried to trick the doctors into doing that like they did with the ovary removal

Indeed. It was very clear in the dad's facial expressions that he suddenly figured out what Dr. Charles was trying to do and said the exact right words to accomplish that. That moment and decision by Dr. Charles has a strong argument for malpractice. I understand the desire to help the kid not commit suicide (cryonics is pseudo science at best, exploitative scamming at worst) but that is not a legal nor ethical way to do so.

@@graememacleod4651 The weird part is that Dr. Charles is actually very meticulous in his practice and would never get manipulated like that. I guess he was just looking for an excuse to save the kid. He probably knew what they were trying to pull off.

In fact the mother was saying otherwise and the father got what the dr was doing. I believe Dr Charles was pushing the ethics to say the least. On the other hand the company maybe a fraud, the results of experiments with rodents are inconclusive.

Yeah, plus they took a while to answer and the way the dad said 'of course' was just really suspicious.

Probably. But he had the kids parents begging for them to do something. Which they knew they could. Easily. Emotional decision but I'd want my medical professionals to have at least some empathy. No real good answer here.

Those parents killed their son, and theres a 50% percent chance that they are gonna tortured him for a year before finally killing him. Because he either dies in surgery , or survivesand is condem to a year of excrutiating pain, general weakness, chronic fatigue, debilitating cluster migraines, constant nausea, besides other know side effects of aggresive radiation treatment, and that without taking account the more than sure brain damage caused by the surgery.

Ik The Good Doctor but which ep. and s. is it?

their is also the legality of it all, some states allow Medical suicide some don't it may well be Legal from what I looked up just a moment ago. tho freezing has bean proven to kill you, and their no cure for death Yet?.

@@lilfizzypoplollipopzvonecek14 It's not from the good doctor it's from the incredibles when he saves that suicidal guy.

@@alexanderfriton3713 Oh ok

It's an unwise call, but an understandable one. Medicine practice and Healthcare in general is empirical in nature, meaning it's evidence-based and favors results from trial and error. Where it concerns patient care and human life is on the line, a physician cannot and in most cases, will not entertain purely theoretical solutions, and cryonics as it is now is exactly that. For most physicians, if not supported by powerful and compelling evidences, futuristic technologies are as valid as Back To The Future, that's to say, feel-good fictions.

Agreed, but it’s a drama ofc

Its in the episode, but he did. Doesnt even regain consciousness

Ah well in Dr Charles defence he let his emotions get in the way due to his wife at the time having cancer and her arm being broken, she wanted suegery. Anyway usually he's more logical then this.

They did eventually let him die

Cant the hospital sue him back by trying to commit fraud and putting the doctors in line? I mean the guy just fking tried to suicide in a hospital. He stupid af.

I agree

Agreed

@@BarakObamaa uhh r u rely jsus??????

Yeah! Dr Choi thinks a bipolar Woman can control her condición and if she cant its BC she doesnt try hard enough and Charles has someone comitted base on his life

Later in the episode they did respect his wishes.

I can speak from experience that this is true. I thought I was gonna have a few more years left with my dad… instead I only had months…

@@carenxatu5962 I'm sorry you had to go through that 😔 It's hard going to the end but even more so when the end is sooner than expected.

Yeah but he has like only half a year with GBM

Who won the case?

@@P1kaChuuuuuuu Not sure.

This is assuming anyone in the future will want to wake up a whole lot of people from the past with ethical ideas and values that do not fit and bring them into their society. Think about it. All societies have limited resources. If we could bring back 100s or 1000s of Vikings into our modern era, would we do it?

@@brontewcat Still a chance. No matter how small it is better then certain death to some people.

Me, id like to spend my last year with my family rather than have a slim chance to live just to be alone afterwards.

@@user-zo8ec5iw8t He didn't have a year though he had weeks to live. And if he had the surgery that would give him more time, he could have still died on the table.

@@code0Star What surgery? Where was that mentioned? He was diagnosed in the early stages of GBM, his life expectancy is 12-18 months with an ongoing chemo plan. He had a year.

@@user-zo8ec5iw8t 1:45 is a surgical procedure. Before this patient could get chemo therapy the tumor had to be reduced which is a surgical procedure. Therefore he could have died in the operating room.

@@code0Star Is a tumor resection, its survival rate is stupidly high. To me its worth the risk to spend my year with my family

haha me, even though its on netflix

Do u need a psych evaluation?

I think there are protocols to these kinds of situations. It'd be one thing if this guy forfeits his life, it's a whole other thing subjecting to something so experimental and uncertain. It's an unwise call, but an understandable one. Medicine practice and Healthcare in general is empirical in nature, meaning it's evidence-based and favors results from trial and error. Where it concerns patient care and human life is on the line, a physician cannot and in most cases, will not entertain purely theoretical solutions, and cryonics as it is now is exactly that. For most physicians, if not supported by powerful and compelling evidences, futuristic technologies are as valid as Back To The Future, that's to say, feel-good fictions.

What? They are playing typical doctors. That's how they operate.

well im the opposite

I don't think someone in enough debt to risk their life to escape it can afford to get frozen though, unless we're talking about the extremely wealthy who already have their own ways to fraud anyways. And if we're talking about a future where cryonics are common place, there would be laws made to address issues like that. Not saying it won't be used for wrong, people will find ways to corrupt it, but that's a given of anything in existence not just cryonics At the time its just a very gray area, only time will tell

Yeas! Thank you!

Commiting suicide means he is incappable of making his own choices.

And Austin Powers!

I'm sorry for your loss

I'm such a theatre nerd I caught onto this so fast.

I miss him too.

Allowing your brain to be destroyed by a cancer before being frozen is stupid. Chances of fixing something incurable in earlier stages is better

If he had the surgery, he could have still died on the table. The was no guarantee of him having a year.

i suppose if he genuinely believed that a future hospital would be able to cure him, then he probably though freezing himself early, before the disease weakens his body would help him recover faster in the future

idea behind cryonics is that you 'pause' your body from further deterioration. if he waited a year then the GBM wouldve destroyed his brain until there was more personality left and at that point youre preserving a vegetable with no personhood. absolutely the right call to freeze himself now while hes still all there.

He had a brain tumor. After a year of the tumor growing there wouldn't be much left of his brain.

Shame I hope with all due respect I hope you're wrong

Dead

Yeah he dies

T was terminal cancer so he will die regardless

@@memecraft835 So he wasn't allowed to be frozen?

@@Beth20043 He would've been allowed to be frozen after naturally dying from the cancer, but he might have chosen not to because by that point the brain damage would already have been much more severe (likely his reason for wanting to be frozen before that point).

if you want an honest answer, and are asking with the hope of taking your own life, any amount of overdose will not instantly kill you. it will be an incredibly excruciating, long process and you'll likely be rushed to the hospital where they will try to save you anyway. i can almost guarantee that you will regret it when you are dying. this is not advice, this is something i am telling you. do not kill yourself. i struggle with being suicidal and self-harm as well. you're not alone, and you never will be. you are young, and things will get better. just be patient, and try to talk to someone who can help you. stay safe, and take care of yourself.

Nothing actually, except for pain

Seek help please

You’ll be in a lot of pain. L

What?

''They're saying he has a year left as if he's going to be completely healthy for that entire year. He won't be. He'll be put on chemo, different cocktails of medicine and will be unwell and in excruciating pain. That isn't living, that is trying to survive.''

No, he had a DNI and DNR which are legally binding. A doctor cannot force a patient to stay alive if they have DNR and/or DNI. It wasn't a case of him wanting to die. He wanted to live to be frozen so he could be revived after a cure was found for his condition. Not the same as trying to commit suicide.

tell me you didn’t watch the whole video and listen properly without telling me that.

@@KAFaye-nk5tl I’ve seen the entire show a million times, yes I watched the video

You made some interesting points here. I live in the UK, and I’m an atheist. We do not have the death penalty for criminals, but we do have abortion (which I agree with because, medically, a foetus is not a human being for the first few months, while criminals are still humans). Also, just to be clear, suicide is legal in the UK. To me, life is precious because I believe we only get one life, and then there is no afterlife. This is probably where our differences come from. If you are Buddhist, then you believe in samsara and nirvana, so life is not as precious because you believe that you get more lives after this (unless you reach nirvana). I think that suicide should be prevented, because in my mind, those who are considering killings themselves are usually not in the correct state of mind to make that decision, and usually the things in their life that is making them want to die can be fixed. Also, suicide deeply hurts the person’s loved ones. My views do not apply to this video, because in my opinion, this young man was not trying to kill himself. I am an atheist, but I believe the main reason Christians are against suicide is because they believe God gave us life, and so it is a gift and should be treasured. They also have rules called the “Ten Commandments”, and one of the commandments is to not kill any of God’s creations - we are God’s creations, and so killing yourself counts as disobeying this commandment.

@@pixam345 I'm back. So where was I. ... Yes. Life is precious to me too and i respect it under whatever forms it takes, but only my life belongs to me and this is the only life i have power over. I can't decide to take my kids' or my dogs' lives but i also can't decide to not allow them not to take theirs. I 100% agree with you that suicide based on a moment of depression or some anger or sadness or momentary physical pain is not the right option and it is our duty of compassion to try to talk those persons out of committing the irreparable and irrevocable. But when a person is in constant pain physical and psychological and there is nothing to fix it, not medical or paramedical treatment. Instead of forcing a person to be under constant painkillers or pills to numb his or her anxieties and depression, i believe it is more noble and respectful and compassionate to allow that person (or not deny that person more accurately) the right to end his or her suffering. But only of that person wants it and asks for it. Which is also my spouse who is a vet and also Jain will never accept euthanasia regardless of how much pain the animal is under. accurate and adequate painkillers and treatment will be provided, pro-bono if the pet owner can't afford them, but no euthanasia will be performed. Unless it is a roadkill or the cat or the dog or the hamster fell from the 17th floor and has not a single bone intact in the body and is bleeding internally and there is not a single chance of getting over the trauma. Then and only then will lethal injection be administrated. And you can see it in the eyes of the animal when they want it to end. But terminal cancer is not something requiring euthanasia because we can alleviate the pain with medical procedure and the animal can die at home surrounded with its loved one. And a loved one is not someone taking a dog to a vet because he pisses everywhere since it is old and has lost control over its bladder, and asks for euthanasia. There is nothing compassionate about that, and it is pretty much like asking for an abortion as a form of contraception. I am pretty liberal but not to that extreme, and my spiritual beliefs are far stronger than my political beliefs. Because spiritual beliefs (on Jainism) is based on Nature laws and Political beliefs are based on Human Law and i can never place human laws above nature's laws. This to me would be not only unethical but extremely self-righteous and self-indulgent, and since those two traits of characters are, i believe, the cause of everything wrong on this planet, i will nev er allow myself to indulge in my human culture, to the detriment of my human nature. I want to apologize if i appear rude or insensitive sometimes, It is extremely difficult for me to translate those thoughts into words in English, because either the English language or more probably my limited comprehension of it, doesn't allow me as i could in Japanese to explain those very Eastern concepts. For instance in Japanese we have two words for life (Jinsei and Inochi), Jinsei is the human concept of life while Inochi is the universal concept of life. In Japan there are very distinctive. Jinsei is your responsibility because it is your own, but Inochi is more a duty you have toward it, to show respect and compassion toward it. We also have two concept which are very Eastern which are Giri and Ninjo, Giri can roughly be translated as Duty and Ninjo as Human Emotion. In Japan just like in most of Asia and most of Eastern beliefs and religions, Ninjo must never prevail over Giri. If you allow your emotion to dictate your opinions then you are still a child, and it is only when your sense of responsibility overcomes your ego and emotion that you mature. If you ask for to be allowed to commit suicide based on your Ninjo, it should be addressed medially and you should have someone trying to talk you out of it, but if this is your Giri which asks for it, then it should be respected. I am also from the country of Seppuku (or Harakiri as it is known in the west) and it was never considered shameful to end your life and the whole ritual of kneeling and getting a short sword, wrap it in white paper and cut your abdomen open and then immediately have your best mate chop off your head is something still very understandable in Japanese culture. Just like the culture of Ubasute. Literally abandoning the elderly. Is something very dear to Japanese people. Not that we do it anymore but it is still part of our psyche. So Ubasute is when an elderly decided that it had become a burden for its family and asked the son to carry him or her to the top of a mountain and be abandoned their to die. This was a common practice in poor families and jtheir is still this romantic image of the son taking his grand mother or mother in his back to the top of the moutain while the grandmother or mother breaks little branches and ties some shreds of the clothes she wears so that her son or grandson will safely find his way home after abadoning her. And then before the son leaves she would offer him one of the few rice balls she made to sustain herself for the first night before allowing herself to die. We do not see that as sordid at all. It is the epitome of Giri over Ninjo. I hope this makes sense a little !

Fearing death is not a "Western" or religious thing, it's a natural instinct resulting from millions of years of complex biological and psychosocial evolution.

@@kachi2782 I did not know about these things. Very interesting concepts! It's very enriching to learn about other cultures, especially cultures like Japan's, that I have very little exposure to. I felt you explained the concepts very clearly, by the way. Thank you.

@@pixam345 Thank you.

Yeah so it's okay to force him to suffer through terminal brain cancer for like maybe more than a year's extra time? He's 18, he legally had the right to make his own choice. That year might feel long but it sure as hell won't be a good one. They didn't save his life. They doomed him to suffer. I would say that's way worse.

@@franjegrosskopf2158 logically and legally he attempted suicide and suicide victims don't get to make that decision.

@@Jen-qy4ol his life , his right . He would have died anyway , so why not at least take a chance ? I surely would rather risk death to save my life rather than wait and die a slow and painful death

@@sebastianfilip6459 sounds good but it's not legal.

That's a meme, forced to die a slow agonizing death because that's the legal option:D

Very incorrect