Demo + Adrenaline junkie is such a killer combination for workhorse weapons. Have it on the VoG machine gun and it has served me VERY well with Void 3.0. Can’t wait to see that pulse with Arcs rework.
Yup. This combo on BXR allowed it to punch above its weight class even before the PR buff and made me a believer in this combo. Honestly, this is the first gun I wanted to craft three of: Rapid hit /Rampage, dragonfly/rampage, and demo/adrenaline junkie.
I think demo chill clip on deliverance could be an excellent combo for warlocks on stasis turret builds. Shoot a couple chill clip shots, toss a turret to reload gun, grab shards and activate font of might, and cycle
My deliverance dropped with this combo and it's godly, just the freezing from chill clip alone is so good. Add Demo and now you have more debuff and cc on demand
It’s good with Renewal Grasps, too, I’ve been using it the past week of 2 on Warlock and Hunter and can confirm. EDIT - I’ve crafted 2 Deliverances, that’s my PVE go-to. My other one is Perpetual Motion and Tap the Trigger for PVP.
Yeh I was planning on going for a classic rapid hit/rampage roll, but obviously you can’t get that immediately, so I went with this roll and it’s so good I might stick with it.
I got a Pulse from Disciple that rolled with Dragonfly+One For All, and I fell in love with it. Not the best for high-level content, but Dragonfly can help proc OFA in a group of mobs real easily.
Bait and Switch is actually pretty solid on the linear fusion (Cataclysmic). Takes 2 seconds to activate and gives 20% for 10s without wasting ammo like Focused fury and applies to body shots on the off chance you miss unlike firing line. Just a great mid-ground option for a heavy weapon
Hey Datto, just incase you missed it, the raid smg rolls with 100 recoil direction. I don't think you'd want arrowhead break on it. Might want to run fluted for the handling if you want, or hammerforged for the range perhaps? My 2 cents I'm curious if you can freeze guys with deliverance, then shield bash with perrigrin greaves for the 1-shot in gms solo, without a ally running stasis. I just got my pulse crafted, so now I'll grab my pulses.
Well on mouse you'd want full bore for as much range as possible. Stability doesn't matter on mouse. Deliverance as shown in the footage can freeze with chill clip.
@@ClairvoyantLastrus yes I did. Full bore is a horrible barrel anyway because ontop of the stability decrease it also lowers the handling stat which is more important than range.
I'd give an honorable mention to cataclysmic with FTTC/Bait and Switch. Pair with witherhoard or izanagi for maximum dps potential. Pop a izi/witherhoard shot, 1 primary bullet, then go to town with 20% damage boost for a bit.
Been using enhanced 4th's time + focused fury on Cataclysmic and can confirm that it is insane. With a well/bubble/HEF buff it does about 100k per shot against rhulk. It can shoot 7 shots before reloading if you hit every one so it's about 700k per mag
@@ringomandingo1015 Focused fury and bait and switch have the same damage value on cataclysmic I believe so you can still use witherhoard with cataclysmic, but focused fury is just easier to make use of
@@petervalvo1186 Is it really, though? All you have to do is put one bullet of each weapon in and then the damage buff starts. Like you said, with Witherhoard you have forever to put one bullet of your other weapon in. Then Bait and Switch gives you that buff for your first shots where you need to hit those crits (lord knows crit hit boxes can be wonky as hell which sets you back further) before you even get the buff.
Really like that Insidious comes with Dragonfly + One for All right out of the gate. Been using this in a ton of raids and endgame content and it's phenomenal.
Worth mentioning on Forbearance that the Origin Trait helps with healing, so Unrelenting can be a bit overkill in a lot of content. There's going to be a very narrow window where Unrelenting is going to actually help and not just overheal, and then you get into the content where you can't reliably trigger them and just die.
ah, true. i live and die by my ambitious unrelenting deafening whisper but i didnt even think about soul drinker so i was going to run unrelenting chain reaction. thanks for pointing that out
If you can’t reliably trigger Unrelenting somehow in harder content then you probably wouldn’t use a Wave Frame anyway… Doesnt it activate after just 2 kills? Should be stupid easy to activate with Chain Reaction. In content like Legendary Campaign it would work excellent because it’s hard enough to nearly die often but you do enough damage to get multi kills with a Wave Frame
@Sunbreaker Titan Lmao adept big ones on a waveframe, sure. Literally useless, it's an add clear weapon that you'll never use for boss damage. Use major spec if it's that big of a deal but yeah... adept big ones is useless on a waveframe.
Arrowhead break is actually pretty weak on the smg since it already has base 100 recoil direction and it’s handling stat naturally very high. I’d shoot for barrels like hammer forged and smallbore instead
I got the perfect Cataclysmic (Fourth times, focused, 6 mag, charge time MW) as a random drop and absolutely love it. Would definitely recommend that everyone craft this roll as soon as they can, it's one of the best linear fusions in the game with that roll
@@itsMC. this is good for people who can’t get the reeds regret or don’t want to torture themselves in trials of Osiris. Now I can switch between this and threaded needle for linear fusions.
I was lucky enough to have my first insidious drop with dragonfly + one for all with a reload masterwork so that would also be a good roll (especially since dragonfly can proc one for all; haven't used it in higher level activities tho).
Something to note about submission: you don't need arrowhead brake since the recoil direction is already 100 from the get go. Just use hammer forged rifling or fluted, or polygonal.
I’ve seen damage tests with enhanced high impact and it makes no difference in damage. Idk if it’s a bug or a joke but nearly all of the enhanced perks are useless lmao.
HIR starts at lower damage and builds up over time whether FF instantly gives you a 20% damage boost (not to mention you're not forced to enhance the perk to make it usable). most people i've brought this up to preferred Focused Fury over enhanced HIR
@@sn1pertoaster Yea that sucks. I had high hopes for enhanced high impact. I figured enhanced perks would end up being completely broken or completely useless.
I will say, having played around with my Deliverance, I highly-highly recommend Demolitionist + Chill Clip. You get the benefits of reloading early to keep the magazine up to 6 shots just by tossing a grenade. Special weapons regen 20% of your grenade charge. And with Deliverance, Chill Clip stays active all the way down to the 4th shot of the magazine. It's not 50% for some reason.
@@scottanderson9414 Yeah, nah. The utility of freezing/slowing things around your target is too great to pass up. Plus, like, it's the ONLY stasis fusion. You gotta play into the icy role with it!
Hey Datto Blast Radius on a Wave Frame GL does not affect the wave width. Quick Launch is the best barrel option. Submission: Overflow / Subsistence + Frenzy Deliverance: Cornered + Surrounded or Compulsive Reloader + Chill Clip Insidious: Dragonfly + One for All Lubrae’s Ruin: Graverobber + Swashbuckler / Surrounded Forbearance: Unrelenting / Ambi Ass + Chain Reaction Cataclysmic: Fourth Time’s The Charm + Focused Fury That’s what I’ll be crafting. Don’t sleep on unrelenting on the GL. With Souldrinker you’ll basically be immediately back at full health.
You mentioned slight of hand with harmony on deliverance, but it’s also a pretty unique roll on the SMG as well. With things like extraordinary rendition competing in the kinetic slot, I’ll take a unique roll on this SMG, because I’ve got a workhorse covered.
Yep. I crafted overflow /harmony on the smg and pair it with explosive personality (ALH/turnabout)...these together are fantastic. Overshield from turnabout +land tank perk then the added dmg for Harmony + souldrinker on smg...great mini/major clear. Just fun....plus I wanted something different then sub/frenzy or overflow/frenzy...got those covered already
The adept version of Lubrae's should allow for a projectile speed mod. I feel like Glaives will eventually get a flat buff in that department b/c it feels mandatory atm
When we first got the enigma I was super hyped at the swash/grave combo only to lose all interest when I found out neither perk worked. So annoyed at getting a new weapon type only for them to be an absolute waste of time/effort.
@@Dutch_Viking_91 It *DOES* work, but it does not apply the Buff to the Melee. It does contribute to the reason why Glaives are falling off rather quickly in popularity. They do have a number of benefits such as having access to a surprisingly effective shield and a Melee combo. The projectile aspect of the Glaive is what is problematic about it is the lack of overall damage. Specifically the projectile aspect of it. It has frequently proven to be an overall worse option in comparison to some other weapons, which is understandable to a degree. The major problem is that you are using a Special Ammo weapon, which is intended to act as a means of taking out Majors much more effectively. But, this is just my opinion. I think the Exotic Glaives are the main example.
@@Icortherainwing it really doesn’t unless you’ve got a linear fusion rifle with a shield and secondary melee option, dumbest comparison I’ve heared yet. The perks all work as intended and if you don’t understand why swashbuckler doesn’t improve the damage of the melee combo maybe go play a different game? It would be busted AF if it did. Name 1 other weapon that can benefit from a damage buff without having ammo. Exactly
I got a forbearance with genesis + chain reaction and it's been awesome. Popping any shield, including lucent moth ones, activate genesis which allows me to shoot off a second shot right off the bat. Super underrated perk combo.
As an avid PvP player, I have used Lubrae’s in trials from time to time, especially on earlier matches of my cards. If the enemy team isn’t running a shotgun (so snipers, fusions, etc.), I will rush them with a glaive if possible. Because of their novelty, people are still confused by its melee lunging range and speed, so they typically don’t know how to counter it. It’s also a great swap for when you run out of special
Insidious with Demolitionist and Vorpal pairs SO well with my stasis Warlock build, it did wonders while guilding conqueror. Plus, Lubrae's Ruin with Grave robber and Vorpal was nuts in the Lightblade GM.
For cataclysmic I am actually running bait and switch and fourth time’s the charm (i got lucky and rolled this on my very first clear). With the right loadout its actually not that hard to do damage woth all of your weapons when the weapon you want to proc it on is your heavy. 20% damage boost rivals that of the damage boost of firing line and has wayyyy better up time than focused fury. The damage potential goes up by a significant ampunt when you consider you have to use half of your shots for focused fury to proc which is just terrible. For example in a champion situation you stun the champ, possibly fire an auto loading gl right after at some ads, and then start firing the cataclysmic. This will help ensure the kill on the champ in the time frame given while also playing into how you would naturally play.
Focused fury gets activated by your first 3 shots, activates for 11 seconds and can be reactivated by shooting more precisions. Uptime is virtually infinite in damage phase other than first 3 shots. Damage total is MUCH higher than reeds and threaded so I agree with you there. It’s crazy busted However for champs and the like I agree with that roll
Something to remember is the origin trait for these guns heals based on hits before reloading, so the grenade launcher with unrelenting is just "you don't die-ville"
I don't know if it's necessarily the play or not, but I have the pulse with Dragonfly/One-for-All and it's a lot of fun. Tagging enemies with a Dragonfly explosion will activate One-for-All, and getting Dragonfly kills also activates Rampage. Just something to keep in mind if you're a Dragonfly enjoyer.
I think unrelenting chain reaction is wayyyy overlooked on forbearance. I had the luck to get both that roll and the ambitious chain roll, and I mich prefer unrelenting. Paired with souldrinker, you are immortal as long as you keep shooting. I take it into lost sectors, raids, dungeons, and any nightfall below gm.
the blast radius on forbearance (and all wave frames) doesnt change with barrel perks (you can literally see that in d2gunsmith) so go for velocity everyone
I made a deliverance with chill clips and enhanced compulsive reloader. I got to say it's not as good as I thought it would be, but still a useful tool for crowd control, kind of like a discount agers scepter.
Demo is a really underrated pairing with chill clip on deliverance since throwing the grenade reloads the weapon. Pair with warlock or hunter stasis and elemental shards and you can almost never reload
Chill clip on Deliverance is my new favorite thing. It can freeze champions if I’m fast enough, negating the need for mods in most activities. I pair it with steady hands to swap quickly to my heavy to finish off those champs.
The insidious pulse rifle with dragonfly and rampage is great for PvP because the explosions from dragonfly get the damage buff from rampage as well as increase the stack of rampage if the explosion causes a kill. Cracked off lots of double and a few triple kills in PvP like that.
Box breathing works differently on linears. You don’t have to unscope to proc it, just wait a tiny bit then hold the trigger down and it should proc immediately before the gun fires, no need to unscope
I've crafted Demo + Chill Clip on my Deliverance, and that thing fits damn near perfectly into Warlock and Hunter Stasis builds. Titans, not so much with needing to rely heavily on crystal generating and breaking, so Headstone is still better there for most cases. Some of the most powerful Warlock and Hunter Stasis builds are grenade focused so Demo is the obvious choice, and Chill lets you generate Stasis shards for both classes, letting you combo with Elemental Shards and Elemental Charge, granting access to both Elemental Well and Charged with Light builds... all from one weapon. It's so incredibly good, I'm glad our first Stasis Fusion is an absolute banger.
Deliverance works perfect with titans. I gotta stronhold behemoth build and deliverance is the perfcet fit. Its a stasis special so it spawns diamond lances and lets me run double special for more lament ammo. I get a nade about every 10 secs and i freeze champs to get in close with lament with lances or chill clip. It also works so good with hoarfrost z the rally barricade boosts range and stability and you can have stasis shards up permantly even during boss phase i use bait n switch with an autoloading reeds and never reload. Same with heart of inmost light those lances count as nades for your empowering and titans dont really have the glacial harvest cooldown like warlocks and hunters. I think it pairs perfectly with titan cus you get your shards from your nade so demo and chillclip gaurentees a diamond lance plus font buffs before you engage any enemy.
range mw, hammer forged, accurized, encore, and swash on submission for use with athrys' embrace mainly in pvp. it can easily activate the exotic's perk and benefit from the subsequent knife kill you're almost guaranteed to get on top of being a good weapon at base
Appreciate the video Datto, your insight is most welcomed. Are you planning on making a video on the Throne World Shapeable weapons as well? Keep up the amazing videos!
I got a rampage dragonfly on my insidious and was using it during trials this past Shayura weekend. It did WAYYY more work than I expected it to do in pvp.
I feel like bait and switch is underrated on the linear for dps scenarios. a lot of times youll be comboing at least 2, maybe all of your weapons together making it easy to activate, and you'll have the buff for essentially the whole mag as opposed to focused fury going away on stow, and only active in the bottom portion of the mag. Bait and switch lends itself much better to dps in my opinion than focused fury does
Only thing I like the glaive for is the shield and occasionally melting a single target with a blast and melee follow up. I run Enhanced Frenzy and Impulse Amplifier for quick reload and quicker shots. It’s nice having some defensive capabilities as a Hunter as running away isn’t always the easiest option.
Forbearance has turnabout which is worth noting for hard content, especially with arc shields. It's a true overshield as opposed to a void one, and refreshes everything you break a shield, which has great synergy with genesis in the first column. Might be better than a chain reaction one in high end content (though speaking from lots of experience with this GL, chain reaction is SO much fun)
I have this roll and use it in the raid all the time, 1 shot with both perks up nearly 1taps a glyphkeeper at full hp. Cornered has a massive 16m proc radius and only requires 2 enemies to be present, it shaves off an entire 100ms on your charge time, which is 2.5x the charge time buff you get from a charge time mw. Very strong gun with these perks.
Not crafted, but recently received a Deliverance w/ Perp Motion+Chill Clip roll with Charge Time MW w/ Accel Coils and I have not unequipped it since. Absolutely love it. I’m hoping for more Kinetic Slot Fusions in the future!
Unrelenting and Chain Reaction is the perk combo I crafted on Forbearance. Unrelenting and it’s origin trait, Souldrinker, means no matter whether you get a multikill or just straight up damage, you regain health. If you want to be MORE healthier, chuck on a couple of solar armor pieces, rock Explosive Wellmaker and Well of Life, and on the void 3.0 subclasses, equip the Echo of Starvation, where orb pickup grants Devour, you won’t even have to worry about your health bar 95% of the time
I prefer Successful Warmup on Cataclysmic over Fourth Times. I do have to have a loader or two on my arms, but being able to pop an add and then mag dump makes for some insane burst damage. I especially love it in nightfalls for burning down Champs or bursting a bosses health bar down to the next phase. On raid bosses, it really depends on the encounter, though most of the time you're in a Luna well anyways, so Fourth Times doesn't feel too neccessary because you'll have instant reloads.
Heating up + Successful warmup on the deliverence is the fusion I'm making for 6v6 crucible. The first kill will be a bit harder to get than with perpetual+tap the trigger but the payoff after that first kill is rediculous. The smg is a bit lacking in terms of PvP, it's okay but multimach with a high zoom scope is just better by a pretty significant margin. Once the zoom adjustments come in then I could see it becoming a decent option, I would go for perpetual motion + killing wind or sleight of hand + harmony if you're able to make the harmony playstyle work for you (personally really like this option for trials since you can get a kill with snipe then push in with a bunch of weapon buffs active on your smg to clean up the other kills)
Unrelenting + Chain Reaction is very good for people who main Transversive Steps or who are running a Marksman's Dodge-heavy build on Hunter. I would argue Transversive Steps are actually superior to AA because ammo is often wasted while utilizing AA. Rally Barricades/Lunafaction Healing Rifts are also solid choices for this combo.
For the Deliverance I will say this: it's possibly one of if not the best special for a stasis build. I run it with my warlock with the new gloves giving me double cold snap nades plus double turrets. I use demo and chill clip for safety,I'm able to basically have up to three turrets up and even 4 if I'm lucky and never have to rely on a reload
May misquote but pretty sure enhanced surrounded with surrounded spec gives 40% damage buff which paired with easy stasis wells from supreme well maker and cornered 'should' make it great back up short range deeps and can be paired with Reed's for extended boss fights where you can leave ads up.
I would make an argument for a Genesis/Chain Reaction combo on Forbearance! While it makes it a tad more specialized, having the insta-reloads + ammo regen on shield breaks makes it competitive to Ambitious Assassin in my own personal use!
Doing my Deepsight for Cataclysmic I had a roll with successful warm-up and I was surprised by its performance. I could see it doing some work on the grasp dungeon, or similar fights, where you have time to get heavy between fights and there is no shortage of adds to kill to proc the perk, but it does take something to get going.
For pvp, the deliverance with demo and chill clip on the renewal grasp hunter is busted. All you have to do is pick up a special and you get bullets that slow people andgive you stasis shardswhichgivesyou an overshield with the right fragment.
Dragonfly + One For All on Insidious, every day of the week for me. Perfect perk combo for high-end content. Get one precision kill, do some decent AoE damage and immediately proc your 35% damage boost with very little effort and a lot of uptime. No-brainer for PvE.
Lubrae's Ruin procs Roaring Flames on middle tree solar Titans. I don't have the pattern for it yet but if you do and you main middle tree solar, get ammo and reload speed for the thing. It's not a weapon, it's your guarantee for high damage abilities, and when Solar 3.0 comes out and you can use Roaring Flames with other melee abilities, you're going to wish you had grinded that pattern.
adding this here: my choice is that perpetual is better than compulsive reloader on the fusion. compulsive can only proc on two shots, while you need two shots of chill clip to freeze. (havent tested on enhanced version though)
Fourth Time’s + Focused is literally nutty on Cataclysmic, it’s so good. Run the right mag stuff and you’re looking at like 13 or 14 shots, with like 10 under FF.
You don’t want clown and fourth times together on the linear. Fourth times doesn’t work above the base mag, so the extra bullets from clown don’t synergize at all.
I crafted insidious with dragonfly, one for all and maxed out reload speed and it's an absolute beast. Feels amazing for both low end pve and high end pve.
Insidious: Demo/AJ Cataclysmic: FTTC/FF Forbearance: AA/Chain Reaction (for fun) Lubrae’s Ruin: IDK what to put on Glaives tbh Deliverance: Comp Reloader/Chill Clip Which leads me to my hot take: Perpetual Motion is a VERY slept on perk for SMGs in PVE. Yes, we all know not having to reload with Subsistence is great, but I’m more of a compulsive reloader. Stacking it with Frenzy + SMG loader mod, and you have a lightning fast reload. Perp Motion/Frenzy on Submission for me.
Currently trying out Sleight of Hand + Harmony on Deliverance to pair with a Shayura’s that has QuickDraw + harmony. It’s a fun combo, not the most intuitive to use but can be fun.
Insidious with dragon fly and one for all RIPS in the gm- def recommend b/c crowd control is good and don’t get kills fast enough for rampage or adrenaline junkie to effect things substantially- one for all doesn’t need kills
I’ve got a bait and switch cataclysmic that pairs so well with witherhoard. 10 seconds of 20% is pretty nice. Little work involved, but if you’re rocking witherhoard it’s kind of the play anyway
On the grenade launcher, obviously ambitious chain reaction is the best roll and I will definitely craft one of those but I do think it could be worth crafting a second one with ambitious and wellspring to have an arc version of deafening whisper for when Arc 3.0 is released. If it’s anything like void 3.0 we’ll be wanting to use our abilities as much as possible so it might be worth keeping and ambitious wellspring forebearance in the back pocket. Of course if you don’t want to craft. 2 of them then just go with ambitious chain reaction as it’s a nutty combo
My crafted, trials Memento deliverance is demolitionist chill clip. Some say, "why not compulsive reloader?" To which I say, "what's better than a faster reload? INSTANT RELOAD!" For my osteomancy warlock, I'm chucking out grenades so much that I never have to manually reload my deliverance. Plus, having demo means I get my grenades back faster, which is insane with the osteomancy. Seriously, it's INSANE. It's become my favorite PvE weapon in the game. I know you don't use fusions for ad clear, but honestly, with chill clip, I will die on the hill that a well crafted deliverance is one of the best ad clear weapons in the entire game. Plus, enhanced chill clip boosts stability a bit, which for me is pretty lit. Mine gets to 88 stability, which is hilarious and feels awesome in PvP as well. I've gone flawless twice already this season with it in the driver's seat
I’m going to go with turnabout, frenzy on the SMG. Only kinetic that has it so far that I know of. Also it already has 100 recoil so arrowhead is not a thing I’d suggest.
Insidious Dragonfly / Rampage is amazing with Dragonfly spec. Dragonfly with One for all is good as well, but having the rampage boosted damage off the initial kill, leading into the dragonfly explosion is very satisfying. Trust me on that roll!
I have a lot of time with both rolls, One for All is for sure the best pairing with Dragonfly since you get the damage boost as long as the explosion touches 2 other enemies. the explosions don’t kill enemies outside of entry content, so Rampage is not helping as much.
Lubrae’s ruin: grave robber/enhanced wellspring Mow through trash because glaives have trouble with burst, use abilities to shore up your aoe and survivability.
Knowledge sharing: The only two crafted weapons that can get enhanced surrounded are deliverance and lubrae's. This only matters because enhanced + surrounded spec sees a 47% damage increase before other buffs. Naturally synergizes with the "meta..." font of might, dilation, AL/explosive light palmyra. Personal testing on caretaker saw numbers up to 24,000 per each of the 7 bolts in a fusion rifle shot - with all proper team [b]uffs Obv go nuts with high energy, battle harmony, solar titan stuff for lubrae's, etc. The combos are out there, I'm just one guy
I have crafted demo + surrounded deliverance and boy does it melt hard. In your video while talking about it you would of had surrounded procc'ed the entire time. Highly reccomend especially with stasis lock with osmiomancy gloves
Insidious with Vorpal weapon absolutely WRECKS supers in PvP. 20-23 per crit (depending on the super), 14-17 per body allows it to mess up opposing supers. Rapid hit is also the GOAT for pulses in PvP, lets you stay sticky outside its normal range.
When it comes to LFR’s I really cannot overstate how good Box Breathing is. It’s not the best for DPS in raids or anything, but nothing beats it for burst damage or sustained damage on LFR’s. It’s a free 30% damage buff for absolutely no hoops needed to jump through, and with LFR’s specifically you can precharge your shot before the perk is active and still get the extra damage. Shooting it like this is not a big change in RPM honestly (maybe like 20% slower), and you can still get FttC to activate easily. It does nearly as much damage per shot as sleeper when you do this, still less but the increase in magazine/overall reserves makes up for it IMO. My BB/Field Prep roll on Tarantula has carried me through many a GM, but now that I have this one crafted I don’t see many reasons to go back
I made Cataclysmic with 4th Time's the Charm, Clown Cartridge, Enhanced Battery, Charge Time & Backup Mag specifically as Rhulk (and any other raid boss) slayer. You do so much more damage than any of the damage perks, especially when shooting at Divinity bubble. It's VERY comparable to the Izanagi/Palmyra combo and you get to use any exotic. Note: Enhanced Clown Cartridge isn't that much different RNG-wise than the regular version; I still get 8 rounds quite a bit.
