Destiny 2 - CAYDES PLOT TWIST! Who Ace Really Is 

Is it possible that Cayde was the unamed second father of the Abram's family? His feelings toward Sunderesh were one sided and Micha Abram's only ran into Cayde-1 after he went "Missing". Not to mention the fact that Micha was a young boy still grappling with their Gender Identity at the time. If so, Cayde remembering Micha as his "Son" whom was nicknamed Ace and wouldn't be a contradiction of the Lore Provided. The fact remains that even pre-guardian Exo Cayde had difficulty remembering what Ace looked like and the name of his one sided love, Sunderesh. Micha not recognising her father in an Exo body isn't much of a stretch either.

@@soulsurvivor8293 no, timeline doesn't match up. both her dads were alive after she met cayde

I don’t think regular people go there. Guardians and ghosts return to the traveler for euphoria land

Theres already an in-game exchange between Zavalla and Cayde where the latter states that the afterlife, so to speak, that he experienced was more like all of the guardians and ghosts returning to the Traveler and living in peace. However Zavalla responds saying something along the lines of how thats not an afterlife hes interested in nor is it worth being a part of if he cant see his late wife Safiyah and son Hakim there.

He explained what happened after he died, he was pulled back pretty much instantly from his perspective but was years for us. He couldn't havw told him that if he wanted.

I honestly think his family never being real would bring more depth to cayde. It reflects on how a lot of people in real life are religious because they don’t like the idea in believing nothing

@@trustee8503 I'd agree with you if it was a different character.

I know right? I came back after a longbreak to discover this. It was in lightfall. It got me to leave. That and the trans robot. I am glad i cameback for the final shape. But.. sunsetting has got to stop.

Had me in the first half, ngl. Wtf dude ​@@celuiquipeut6527

@@celuiquipeut6527 Sunsetting isn't a thing anymore. You can use all of your old stuff again.

@@celuiquipeut6527theyre pushing this trans woke agenda bs way too hard in game & in studio. Its annoying. They’re so desperate for that good esg score, just like Netflix & Disney. I just try my best to ignore it. Sucks how they chopped up caydes mission though for real.

​@@celuiquipeut6527trans robot😂 what and who?

Elsie’s frame isn’t like that standard issue frames like cayde, Micah, Shiro, and Saint . Plus she time travels a lot so we don’t know how it interacts with her exo mind.

the memory wipes aren't standard. they're only really used when an exo has to change to a new frame. But there's degredation every transfer. The number next to an exo's name is how many times they've changed bodies. Elsie doesn't get reset though and her frame has a higher quality due to being a Bray, She's aware of the process and because of that, doesn't get the reset process because she knows the risks and is in the know. Banshee also has a similar frame as Elsie, but he's been reset so many more times that there's been catastrophic memory loss.

Guardians are a special case.

to our knowledge she has never been wiped.

@@Azothify Banshee-44 is clovis as he was. He was Clovis-43 before he became Banshee-44. that would be why his frame is alot like elsies.

I’d want to see Ace if somehow it tied back into the story and Ace is real, maybe now a guardian

Sometimes the funny one is funny because they carry a heavy burden.

​@@james_jetmtrue

Very common theme

Blame clovis bray

It is explained somewhere, same place where they explain why Exos eat

@@landenstephens4032 I remember they eat for their sanity. To feel connected to their bodies and “human”

Search artstation. The actual artist posted them over the last couple of days!

@@EvazeOfficial thanks for the hint. I looked, but couldn't find anything on artstation. (Neither Hxtrod_ nor the image) Might've been taken down

It’s a part of the Dungeons and Dragons set!

witcher set

The missions you get from Micah where you have to go find the lost ghosts

It’s still cayde 6 he has all of his memories of that life

I don't think exo guardians need memory wipes, so cayde-6 is all his time as guardian

ah make sense

I always thought its a reference to a western novel/movie called "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid".

Could be but might not be as obvious as you think it to be…

@@j0nam79 i mean its canon the Cayde likes reading western novels. He also read the "Lone Star Ranger" which is also a famous western story.

I hear ya just saying it could be a possibility “Sundaresh” to “Sundance”…

Far fetch theory but what if either YOUR Guardian or OUR Ghost is Ace. If the assumption that Sundance is Maya Sundaresh, it could be possible to speculate that those the Traveler helps/interacts become one with the Traveler. To become one with the Traveler must require: Devotion, Bravery, Sacrifice then upon Death a choice is made, Ghost or Guardian. After a choice can be selected , either decision, the next step is to find someone worthy of the Light. Some Guardian and their Ghosts can be surmmized as Random Picks but other pairings can be quite Coincidental. Thus the speculation that The Memories the Pale Heart creates such as Cradle and Faith for Ikora, Zavala's Family and his Dark Age memories, Cayde's interpretation would be a mix of Human/Exo Cayde-6 to Cayde-6 as a Guardian. It would also seem poetic that Cayde-6 in-universe meant so much to so many that he would also mean just as much to us as the player. Especially when he refers to us as his favorite. It would make it even more impactful his sacrifice as well as his purpose for being Cayde-6 from beginning to end. It would also mean that future developments such as Maya Sundaresh copies in the Vex Network and upcoming threats to humanity have something to do about NOT letting go, The opposite of the main Theme of Cayde's presence in The Final Shape DLC. The History of Cayde-6 has more mysteries to solve. Especially all those in the Exomind Archive...I mean if Atraks-1 could come back then who knows......but just always remember Cayde 1-6 are closed books.... ...if there's ever a Cayde-7. DO. NOT. TRUST. HIM.

How tf can that be?

She is. She’s a revived clone

@@KodexKat do you know what lore piece talks about it? got me curious

@@DragaoDeJasmin The entirety of Season of the Splicer was about Lakshmi and her past as (partly) Maya Sundaresh. Lakshmi's personality engram is an amalgam of several components including Maya's. Many of the lore tabs for weapons and armor from that particular season, along with its associated lore books "Achilles Weaves a Cocoon" and "Beneath the Endless Night" elaborate on this :)

@@seraph8 geez huge thanks to you! i would never know!! when i played this season i was just rushing through things cause my work was horrible didn’t even notice this lmao

@@DragaoDeJasmin Of course! I understand how easy it is to get lost and fall behind on the lore when real life gets in the way... so much of it is fantastic, and I'm glad I could point you in the right direction :)

Thinking out the box nice but impossible since we can change our Guardian gender

The dumbest theory yet.

Wasn't that obvious?

That's literally it. Micah Abram transitioned, and when Clovis exofied her, he kept trying to put her in a male chassis but she would succumb to DER and die. Micah-8 was the first female Exo Micah.

Welcome to modern day bungie

Yep. Including adding weirdest stuff too. You know😢🤮

Talking about his pre or post death life? All Guardians are rezzed as a blank slate and very few learn anything about their previous lives

​@@GlobalBricks1 No I dont think we do, care to elaborate?

Donno man, sometime's going down the rabbit hole and pilling the layers of story untill finding the truth is just as good - and it ensures that we will still have something to chase after the campaign. It can also help tie loss ends if done correctly.

That’s the colonel

Parasocial about a fictional character is a new one..

@@KodexKat if thats the worst type of fanfiction you've seen, stay innocent 🤣

Nah lost me when 2 gay dudes with a trans kid entered the story

​@@Spartan-bl4pqwell at least they weren't like you

​@@Spartan-bl4pqtrue that. Yikes. The dads were fine but the kid. Big no. We know the kid was groomed by the dads🤮 just like a dog or cat being vegan

​@@odessawild7798what? Um no😅

@@odessawild7798 let me ask you something can I identify as black and say the n word? If not then why can grown guys walk in the bathroom with little girls

He literally chose this as his final purpose it was his choice not ours

I hope your right, i hate the fact they teased us with him coming back ,FINALLY, and then take him away again.... -_-

What lmao? The Embraced Identity sniper rifle literally describes Micah as *female* prior to becoming an exo, so she has a female body.

​@@nils254 So Micah was born a female and remain female as an exo. Since the lore on the gun states Female of the subject, which is the biological gender and would be accurately stated for scientific reasons. If not then it would be inaccurate and Clovis Bray hated inaccurate data.

​@@caseydew6882this is my only problem with Micah being trans, like there is no way Clovis would let that slide, the dude is a fucking menace

​@@caseydew6882 Micah was a trans woman who got a proper body for herself

@@odessawild7798 I don't think so, the lore says Female. That's not interchangeable. You are either Male or Female, that can't be changed.

He wasn’t always an exo.

@@KodexKat yea, after I watched the video, I got that. Even though they may not be real.

That never sat right with me, they don't feel like lovers at all from the dialogue before and since the retcon happened.

@@Xemphas we learned about this back in the season we saved saint???? What???

Bruh 💀 Cayde literally talking about how he loves Maya Sunderesh stfu 💀

Shit is awful. Futurama did it first as sex bots lol.

I wouldn't have minded if pre-revelation they weren't being written as brotherly. Put a creepy twist on everything romantic after. That's what happens when you let deranged shippers expand your lore.

Genuinely don’t know if there is any straight relationships in this game anymore

@@HUMADUCKeris and drifter? zavala and his wife? crow and amanda?

Pushing the unnecessary nonsense woke agenda in the game because they’re desperate for that good esg score, just like disney and netflix. Pretty sad tbh. But thats how it goes with these big companies.

​@@Ninja_Proyep😢 we know that he is not but the dads probably groomed him to be "trans" which no human is. Just like a cat being a vegan. We know its the owners

I can legit only think of saint and osiris, tf are you on about?

You're not needed in video games

Straight stuff isn't either but its included and can be nicely implemented

I like how only bigots are mad about Micah but nobody super into the lore has complained and liked her, funny that

right

If you don't care, why do you complain? Have you ever thought about just ignoring it? And how it it immersion breaking? Putting real concepts into a video game can hardly make it less immersive.

@@SmileyXY what do you care if one complains on a product they’ve paid for? Can’t handle a different opinion on something that’s made up in real life also?

@@Specter_TF141 It's just a lore tid bit. It in no way affects the main story. Till now you wouldn't have known that Micah is a queer exo. So I don't understand how they are projecting in any sense.

@@Specter_TF141 Bro you act like the opinion is " I hate minorities are in my game" is RESPECTABLE

Huh?

I get it, funny haha

What? He cant be a gun😮

You seem upset about diversity and inclusion in a game whose lore is all about complexity and diversity being a strength rather than a weakness; like, it's one of the core tenets of the Light and the purpose of the Traveler. Why is that? What is wrong about including stories about people of different backgrounds? The use of 'DEI' as an attack against anyone who is not part of the hegemony is just the latest iteration of 'political correctness' and the co-opting of the term 'woke' as a pejorative; it means nothing and serves no purpose other than to foment ugly hate. If you don't like the lore, feel free to ignore it or play another game. Destiny has always been about the complexity and diversity of the Light against the simplicity and Darwinism of the Witness' interpretation of the Darkness (i.e. the Sword Logic). That you are just coming to realize this just says you're not very perceptive.

@@seraph8 TLDR waaagh.

@@tyronarmstrong6883 Yeah, _I'm_ the one crying. /s Try not getting so upset over the existence of people who are different than yourself and their inclusion in a _video game_ whose central philosophy is explicitly about complexity and diversity. If my post consisting of two short paragraphs counts as "too long," you might not be as astute as you think you are. Oh, so fragile.

@@seraph8 if you want to write a book about it then maybe you’re the one that’s upset.

@@tyronarmstrong6883 Is a sequence of seven short sentences a book to you? You were the one who made a post about it to begin with; clearly, you're the one who was upset enough to raise the "issue." I'm just challenging ugly bigotry where I see it.

This isn't a retcon. This was all explained in forsaken.

@@mshaman86 what are you talking about beyond light It said that you have to be put into a near exact EXO otherwise it would have that EXO mind deterioration. where they freaked out and started destroying themselves. Like the one that had a second pair of arms the mind couldn’t comprehend or handle the irregularity and it started to freak out and destroy itself by ripping the extra arms off. The reason why I said near exact is because it can be not completely exact due to one of the EXO complaining that Elsie Bray had one that was more suited to her original body. So Micah-10 having a completely different body from the original gender, they had is a total Redcon of the EXO mind deterioration. If they really were going to forsake this part of the lore they shouldn’t have put it in the lore in the first place.

​@thewolfofdoyle Nope nothing has been "redcon" you just misunderstood what was said.

@@FierceDeityBaryon how am I misunderstanding what is literally said in the lore?

​@@thewolfofdoyleHEY GUESS WHAT, THE CPRRECT BODY FOR HER TO IDENTIFY WITH WAS A FEMALE ONE

Thought I was the only one thinking that🙄I mean respect to what you love, but stop forcing this shit down our throats

@@tibreionbaez7198 right

What is political about inclusivity? Many types of people exist. Why shouldn't their stories be included in a game whose philosophy is all about complexity and diversity?

Can they just not make any new characters not straight without you freaks immediately jumping up and down whining ? Doesnt even MATTER if its well written to you people now