Destiny 2 - SAINT-14 IS MISSING! The Conductor Corrupting His Mind 

Oh the Conductor pissed Failsafe off...

Imagine a season where Clovis takes control of all exo's, Including guardians and tries to take over.

The next act better not be us using all the samples to make tea for Saint so he isn't mind controlled...

Maya is trying to become the 2nd Knife, merging with the countless Radiolaria!

So The Conductor is from the original timeline where Saint was dead and she basically infected Saint who our Guardian and Osiris has saved with what is essentially a logic plague that is now causing Saint to have an existential crisis. Add that to the Vex are starting to use more militaristic tactics which could mean they can plot ambushes and last line initiatives. Act I ends with Saint having an existential crisis and the new leader coordinating the Vex in the form of The Conductor. Back in Season of the Deep where Osiris and Nimbus were going over the logs of Chioma Esi who recorded the experiments conducted on the Veil by the Ishtar Collective led by Maya Sundaresh. Code names involving an orchestra such as a conductor and a chorus were used. Pretty much Dr. Esi watched in horror as Sundaresh continued with the experiments despite many people are dying from it eventually leading Maya to be consumed by it too. It's also known that Maya Sundaresh ever since those Veil experiments have made multiple copies of herself within the Vex network through her studies of the Veil. Those many copies of Maya Sundaresh were all eventually lost in the network leaving only an Exo copy of herself in the form of Lakshmi-2. The Echo may have attracted one copy of Maya Sundaresh allowing her to gain a sense of self with great strength and becoming The Conductor commanding and coordinating the Vex on Nessus creating a new symphony of her own control.

W season for failsafe

I have to wonder if the Witness also had a singular conductor in its collective consciousness, and if that's the same voice we heard refer to itself as "I" instead of "we" at the end of Excision

Although these episodes seem just like seasons, I am genuinely having a lot of fun with the content. And just as things were getting interesting, the act finishes😃. Honestly excited to see where this goes.

My poor Vex brothers and sisters and i feel bad for Saint i think he needs a hug

"the copy of a copy of a copy".. NIN vibes

Well this has opened an unexpected can of worms, Saint seems to be having an identity crisis. To add some context for those Guardians that were not around back in 2018 there was a quest line on Mercury that took us to the resting place of Saint-14 within a simulated future conjured by the Infinite Forest. From our perspective back then the Martyr Mind had already drained his light and the vex eventually overwhelmed him, but the Vex seemed to develop something of a respect for saint and so fashioned a tomb for him. Fast forward some time and these events would play out different and we would end up saving Saint and supposedly erasing his tomb from the timeline. Now I would have assumed that Osiris would have told him about his alternate fate and yet this 'truth' presented to him has shaken the old Titan to his foundations. In truth we cannot confirm if Saint's body no longer exists, unless Osiris removed it from the forest and gave it a proper burial, but even then the body may have ceased to exist once we altered history. The fact that Saint seemed to accept the truth so easily does not sit right with me and makes me believe that there is some kind of manipulation going on.

The Conductor is giving Kang The Conqueror vibes

“We will locate it, and we will make it pay! 😊”

Hearing saint 14 question himself reminds me of how in Fallout 4, nick valentine is mad how everything that he has is thanks to a man that’s not him

Also even if this is a different Saint we pulled out of the forest what is Saint on about, he isn’t technically the original Saint-14 anyway since he was effectively a different person the instant his ghost resurrected him for the first time.

Clovis and Maya Sundaresh, if these two meet...

I want to take Failsafe with me wherever I go. To keep her uhhh.. safe of course!

Im now so excited for the rest of the acts. This is a story beat I've been suspecting since Season of Dawn.

What ikora says at the start of the mission is really chilling

Ohhhhhh boy. Saint-14 having an identity/existential crisis, and I don't think a reboot into Saint-15 is gonna cut it.

Act 1 is off to a great start story wise, cant wait to see what happens next

Who else entered the radiolaria and became? Bro all exos and what’s his name with the vex arm. Remember how they talked about getting lost in the sea of differences? So maybe we will talk more with the guy hiding within the vex, the one that used the harpy.

Man I Love Saints and Osiris Relationship. They're so cute together :)

So the curse of Nezarec responds to the invasion of Sant 14 by the Conductor. I fear Mithrax's time grows short!!

The conductor should turn out to be Brother Vance, as a surprise twist. He assimilated into the Vex network, through the Infinite Forest, took over, and was biding his time to strike against Saint and Osiris as payback for not even knowing who he was after devoting himself to Osiris for all those years.

I'm not gunna lie when I first seen this scene it really kinda tugged my emotions--- we've seen the lengths Saint has gone for Osiris when dealing with the witch queen. I think he even warned Savathun pretty harshly about what she did, and we know Osiris, as arrogant or... big-headed as he can be- still means well. Osiris really does care for saint, and saint for osiris, so seeing this just really freaking sucks--- I hope Osiris can finally stop being the exposition manual and show us why he was called a prodigy again~ sure he doesn't have his infinite self army--- but he's still got strand, and now he's got Personal enemies.

i've also noticed in the pink/violet pools of light on nessus that have the encoded messages in it, a woman's image is seen in it and it looks familiar to the image of the new vex leader in the promo trailer. she also showed up at the end of the mission during this weeks story.

A interesting little detail is that if you stand inside saints Ward of Dawn, you actually can't hear ikora when she initially first starts talking

See you in 20 days

11:57 Saint says his existence is an error etc etc... i think this Episode shoulda include Elsie Bray... she is not a Guardian, just a person who is jumping timelines to other timelines... and has No time to explain why she has No time to explain. Elsie and Saint would probably nag and yap about timelines, existence etc etc. Saint would tell Elsie that the timelines SHE has seen was supposed to happen etc etc. man, i wanna see Elsie and Saint go at each other 😅 Elsie dresses as a Hunter despite not forged by Light and Saint is a Titan, obviously

This brings up the debate to whether we are living in a simulation.

Nezarec has entered Mtithrax's chat

You had the exact same movement pattern as me in this cutscene 😂

I can see myself in them that even though i have darkness in me, there is also light and even though im out of place the people i love are my anchor.

So, something I noticed before but really so more clearly in the Executive Breach, Saint’s helmet looks very much like one of the less used Vex heads, doesn’t it? Specifically the ‘Precusor’ Vex head, who were supposed one of the earlier types of Vex? Makes me wonder if this is the first Saint to fully under Vex influence, or if it’s happened in the past. They did build him a tomb, after all.

Those logs in Neomuna from one of its founders were one of the first things I thought of when I heard "Conductor" get thrown around. I wonder if that means we'll see Maya Sundaresh or a version of her anyway.

Imagine taking over all the exos within the solar system.

Well, time for Osiris to find Saint-14 again, but at least this time, he doesn't have to use the time travel thing ( I hope)

During Veil Containment, I threw out the possibility that Maya Sundaresh became Witness 2.0. Glad one of my predictions, or theories, finally came true

Feels like telling him a truth

As much as I love Saint and Osiris this is now the third major story that involves using there relationship as a keep point in the story. I like that they include things like gay relationships and trans characters like Mika-10 but when companies throw it in my face constantly like nothing else exists then it starts pushing me away. I think Mika was done perfectly though, the characters background and lore is awesome.

I feel like there's gonna be something we're gonna have to do to save Missraks

man i havent been more disapointed than ever this week imagine getting mind controlled LMAO, I hope saint get torn apart this season

11:45 okay so Osiris is an experiment from the golden age. I’m starting to think that maybe the older species that turned into the witness is us. We use the measurements and share them through words and sounds. We share to find the ai from the connections, we could work backwards and find a human attached to the info but with no history attached then won’t be possible so maybe the data points that outline the self are also the ones that outline the universe just the same as locations but since it’s more complex we are looking deeper into the web of connections but the conductor became part of it and learned like a god. Maybe she is talking about how the vex created this version of saint and how it’s incomplete, like a false replica missing pieces or malformed. He doesn’t know because it’s him but the conductor used the data points to see like the witness but she’s different. Maybe she wants to fix them but she doesn’t understand after becoming lost in the sea and merging, like the witness and now a false image or direction is followed. Like a misunderstanding formed between. He’s not just a copy though because he has experienced and connections, it is saint even if it’s just a part. We could use the veil to find him and reconnect his pieces. It’s not like we kill this version but merge this one and the old one or maybe the old one will meet the new one and tell him to keep going because he is him and to not be swayed and to remember and maybe saint will share the memories and then he exits the veils seat or maybe it happens within the traveler or something. This sounds like a pretty big setup for something huge. Maybe the radiolaria is connected to the traveler as well but we just don’t have enough connections to see it. This got me thinking all sorts of cool things.

I think Saint means he died before he was an exo not by the vex. The exo’s all have radiolaria that can be influenced. The copy of the copy of a copy sounds like all the different times cayde “died” until cayde 7

I cannot wait to fight the conductor and whoever is the enemy in revenant, in the new raid. Would be a very fitting end for both bosses. Splitting the fire team in two to fight one boss at a time and switching per damage phase because of say a debuff for 2 minutes. I really hope they confirm the Maya being the conductor thing. There’s no way they say it’s one of her copies from the vex network or Choi Essie. Choi wouldn’t make sense as why would she do the same thing that maya did, that she despised?

I wanna know how NEW radiolarium is formed. How the vex multiply their actual "form"

Wonder if elsie will get affected since she kind of time traveled and expericed diffrent realities

NOT AGAIN

It would be cool that if your guardian was an Exo, You could faintly hear the voice speaking to Saint.

Saint fo sho dyin this episode… jus sayin with the beginning cutscene about Saint’s dream of travelling the universe with Osiris, it just feels like ironic foreshadowing or sumthin

Every time Ikora Rey says "this doesn't change anything" to a Titan, her attempt to comfort them doesn't work.

How can Saint wield the light if he's just a simulation? Last I remember, the Vex can't simulate paracausal forces.

I will hold my opinions in the story until the last act. Not a fan of the usual seasonal loop though gameplay wise

I thought thay saint was going to be the conductor before i finished the mission

Like how much the first storyline of this new saga feels like completely uncharted territory. An old enemy acting completely new, a new enemy with unknown motive’s & established characters feeling unsure

Isn’t the fact that Saint-14 wields the light proof he is still the same Saint-14. Can Vex replicate the Traveller’s powers outside of a simulation?

If you read the description of Echoes on the timeline in the game, it says, "Delve into the core of the living planet Nessus, and pursue a ruthless new threat with a familiar face". So whoever the Conductor is, it's someone we've met before. People are speculating that it's Maya, but we have never met her before. Maybe it is her, maybe it's not. Who knows.

For a while I thought saint was similar to human form but beginning of this new season he’s a Robot??? Wild

While I am concerned for Saint that weird reaction from Mithrax is also very worrying. Does anyone know what that was about?

Failsave is kinda sacry and dats kinda hot

Given the threat the Conductor now has against Saint-14's mind as an Exo, what's stopping them lore-wise from brainwashing other Exo Guardians - such as my own Exo Titan?

I can’t wait for the next act. This story is getting very interesting i wonder if my theories will be correct..

Saint-14 found an exo woman to plug his jump drive into. Osiris just jealous

Let’s goo

Too bad Asher cant cut her off at the pass. But then he would probably study the phenomena...

Is Elsie Bray on play here? Bray family have some messed up timeline on top of family relationship...

Ok, how much yall wanna bet Saint-14 will pull up a Final Shape Cayde-6?

What mission is this because my mission seemed to stop

Failsafe is honestly the most slept on npc of the franchise, i said it

Oh no! Booty Bot is in trouble

subterfuge and manipulation smells like witness

I’m missing a key thing here, what curse of Nezarec? When did it start and what’s it doing? I mean we killed him afterall.

What if The Conductor is a version of Saint that didn’t die while trapped in the corridors of time and became the “Vex Messiah” that was manifested by one of the “Echoes” it’s why it questioned Saint’s “legitimacy”

Send him against anyone but the vex, he's 0-2

the "conductor" is definitely maya or at least one of her copies that was let loose in the vex network. i think saint is real but the conductor is messing with his head using her knowledge of exos being made using radiolaria. she probably believes that saint is a copy, the same way she's a copy because we/the guardian saved him from his original fate, which was to die. i personally think that she's corrupted the same way laksmhi-2!maya or og!maya was. it's just pure hubris and ego at play here. she wants to remake earth's golden age in her image, using the echo. nessus is just a testing ground.

How can Osiris TP if he does not have a ghost??

Is there a lore reason why Osiris couldn’t tell me over the radio what was happening instead of making me go to helm only to send me back to where u was already

Soo In this cutscenes why don t they do something like in god of war turn of the player character and just play with camera like in gow for more cinematic feeling. Just asking

Feel like the season story gonna pick up from this point

Last time she messed around with the Vex thinking she was all high and mighty, the smartest one in the room, she was nothing but a pawn. She was lead to her own death by the Witch Queen. She was so tricked she was broadcasting Savathuns Song across the last city.

To the serial number 😂😂

Again?!

what is going on with osiris head

I'm calling it, the conductor is Lakshmi 2 - ask me why then i'll provide my theory

We still don't know the full truth or context of what happened. It's not like this Conductor is trustworthy.

my poor little gay

The samples were a very weak point for the story in my opinion, as well as immersion breaking that the patrol space hasn’t been given the new look. But aside from that when do I get to have maya’s vex milk

I just don’t get it how is it Maya. Like this. Came straight outta the witness so how can this be something that’s not part of the witness

I bet the real saints body was just dead but his consciousness was taken by the hive and he's the new vex leader which is why he knows so much about our Saint? Idk im wrong probably wrong.

That Osiris DLC is playing off greatly year ago

Do you think Saint 14 is a top or bottom 😂?

Seems all the self insert alphabet couples in Destiny are always having issues, based love it

Early!!

Okay let's just say it already. The conductor is such a lame name for a bad guy 😂

I really really dislikes the failsafe dialog this season. She never annoyed me before now, but the changes they made to her really make her unbearable.

Yeaa Saint gone after this season 😂

Echos we just get more time gate bullshit so amazing God I hate this

Vex hate old gay robot.

I was hopping they un Gayed saint 14 💀