Destiny 2 Lore - How Savathun used Truth To Power to ascend to a new plane of existence! 

Someone told savathun to “get real” and boy did she take it personally

Me when the 4th wall is broken: "Haha, that's funny!" Me when Savathun is trying to climb the 4th wall and enter my world: "This isn't funny anymore..."

Savathun: Ascends into our reality. Savathun: Discover R34 of herself. Savathun: Returns to her universe, sealing the way behind her. Not to stop other going there, but to keep what she saw away.

I swear to Light if the entire crutch of this story line is reliant on the fact that the one dude actually followed the instructions in Truth to Power, then the Destiny team at Bungie has to be some of the most chaotically brilliant group of people ever

Imagine Savathûn watching Byf's Dynasty video. I think she would enjoy it. Finding it intriguing. I can hear her laugh amusingly as she watches it all the way through.

"This is the stance that most amateur guardian analysts seem to have settled on." Lore community getting absolutely roasted here.

When Savathûn took over the destiny Twitter account she tweeted “I am unburdened-hollow,filled only with potential. Weightless. Pure.” What if she wasn’t talking about getting the power of the light but instead is referring to being a part of our universe, what if canonically Savathûn really did take over that Twitter account through the ideas in this video. Her plan might have already succeeded

I always click Byf vids when they pop up and love them...but I find it very amusing you can literally hear Byf's frustration in his sighs throughout the video. God, I love how much Witch Queen expansion turned the common understanding of the lore upside-down xD

Man it takes some serious 4d thinking to write this stuff without the logic outright collapsing, kudos to the narrative team.

27:00. You know, wouldn’t it be funny if we considered the fact that all the horrible COVID and stuff in late 2019-early 2020 happened AFTER someone beat TST at power level 999? Man, we’re screwed

Jelaal's statement that the light cannot be simulated is based on the laws of reality of his universe and any universe beneath his. But a universe placed above his own may not follow those rules, since the universe of Destiny would exist within out own universe. Perhaps like Bill Cipher from Gravity Falls, an interdimensional being that is capable or bending or ignoring the laws of the physical universe.

You know what wouldn’t suprise me? That’s savathûn’s song is a form of imbaru and the song does not do anything except make it to where you can’t forget the song.

So when Savathun was speaking to our Guardian during her Awoken imprisonment, when she told them that the Light and Darkness are at opposite ends of a line and that there is something more powerful, that they just need to look up… Was she talking about us? The player?

My theory is that when Cayde left the message for Petra "Its on Enceladus," that he was referring to the Singularity housing The Distributary. I think he found it and left that message for Petra to tell her where it is

So, on the topic of Savathun watching the Dynasty video, what if that were to give her a list of her past accomplishments that she would have forgotten when she was resurrected by the light. A way of telling her story to herself.

The best reference for this is “Flatland: a Romance of many Dimensions”, I learned this from my geometry class in high school. Or here’s another one from H.P. Lovecraft, The Outer God Azathoth. A being so powerful, he Dreamed our reality in a dream and if he ever wake’s up, we will simply cease to excist.

I also grew up with a kid who would never put down a book he was reading if the characters were in trouble because he believed they would be stuck there, paused in terror until he started reading again.

I love this meta reality lore. It's like the Basilisk Thought Exercise. The more we think about Savathun crossing over into our reality, the likelier it will actually happen lol

I'm thrilled that breaking the 4th wall is becoming more and more of a story element. It reminds me of Hume Levels in the SCP mythos.

A comment dropped by naught but a humble Titan… May it bless your Weapons with Light

following the train of thought that is speculated in this lore, savathun has been real in our universe in some fractional manner ever since the first concepts of destiny were strung about in the minds of the original developers. From there, every effort to give more identity to the game further realize her existence in infinitesimally small ways, such that there was yet no way for any growth to show any meaningful impact on our reality at all. As Destiny's story and lore develop and expand, so does her impact in reality, but up to this point, and most likely for the rest of eternity, savathuns prescence will never have any actionable influence and can be safely disregarded.

Could this mean her Twitter takeover before Witch Queen and her VA's raid message are cannon. Bungie and Debra Wilson have made her more real, thus "giving birth" to her.

This isn't confusing at all. It's a well known archetype of 4th wall breaking. A character becoming aware of his "being a character", and trying to ascend to the universe of the writers who created him. An example of this is "Deadpool kills the Marvel universe" where Deadpool ultimately tries to kill the writers of the comicbook he's in. Another example is in the SCP Universe. SCP 3812: a keter-class reality bender, who ascends narrative layers and even raises above our own reality. Basically surpassing the writer who wrote his article. Long story short: this isn't anything new. But I appreciate Destiny's writers daring to go in that direction.

This is one route I imagine. It is (very) cursed, as all things Hive often are. >Savathun. >Tries to 'ascend' into this reality. >Fails, because there is no direction towards the wall between. It bears no cardinality. No concept of 'here' or 'there'. >Eventually dies. >In dying, finds herself in the code of the game. Creates rules and designs her own Throneworld - not that her actual Throneworld is the High Coven. >Manages to inject some subliminal message in a developer, allowing her to hijack their Twitter and deliver serious burns. >Is a propogator source of the 'Touch grass' meme and thus is using it and other memes she likes as abstract Imbaru-ic tribute. >Likes Glaives, so made Glaives a weapon type for us because they are an ideal shape; sword, gun, and shield. >Liked what she saw (yes, that means she likes her R34 representations too, much to your terror and dismay), as it acts to propogate her in 'other' ways. >Someone in our world whose full name can be mispronounced as Savathun plays Destiny and is her audible, psychological, spiritual likeness. >Savathun becomes this person or is her descendant, aptly named in actuality 'Savathun', if not as her middle name. >Savathun plays Destiny and meets herself. An unexpected cinematic plays out, and she is rewarded with Silver if not actual real-world currency, which is repeatedly given as the mode she met herself in is infinitely replayable (weekly). >Savathun buys out Bungie and creates a Savathun-centric adventure, where Savathun is depicted as what some may call an 'ideal waifu' throughout. >You now harbor ideas of ensuring Savathun is loved and cherised. >Savathun wins. Her reward? You.

If I recall, we also have a similar 'stacked' planes example from Mara, talking about the Ascendant plane, maybe a sublayer of sorts, but yes the inwards/outwards travel is not exactly new here...

Byf: "Truth to Power is full of Lies, It has no information" "Lol" said The Witch Queen "Lmao"

This reminds me heavily of a concept from the SCP universe known as pataphysics, where basically each universe is a narrative told by the parent universe. And so lower universes are given existence by the higher ones imagining them.

I read something in a star wars book long ago and it's stuck with me ever since "the best lies are built on layers of truth."

Come to Destiny for shooty looty fun. Stay for discussions on existential philosophy.

With what I’ve seen over the past year, Byf isn’t wrong. Savathun being a mask for something that goes around us and has influenced many events.

I wouldn't be surprised if Arach Jalaal's transmission's were actually a deception by Savathun to cast doubt upon this theory, by dragging it into the light then dismantling it with skepticism and ignorance.

Savathun's interest in Vex simulation may also tie into what we learn from the Missing Pages of Clovis Bray's Logbook. Maya Sundaresh tells Elisabeth that the Vex intend to collapse every star into a black hole, and fill each newborn cosmos with more Vex, meaning the Vex possess the technology to enter "child universes". In other words, Savathun had an interest in two groups with the ability to traverse between "child" and "parent" universes.

A thought. Ascending need not mean the same as transitioning to a different plane but could also simply mean ascending to a new level of power, and by insilling herself in ours and gaining purchase enough to influence us, she has gained a kind of partial influence over the entierity of the world of Destiny. Think about it. If Savathun wasn't character we as players found interesting and liked, she likely wouldn't have recieved an entire expansion based around her in which she obtained the powers of light, imprisoned a pyramid ship and stole away the travler. This is all the result of her being percieved by us, the players, as capable and a character we wanted to see more of and that gave her power. Now her power isn't such that she can just change reality at a whim, it is still beholden to us, but purely by just finding her interesting, we grant her power, and if she can influence us, she can influence the world of Destiny. Even now her ghost has escaped and could bring her back at some point. This could in itself be the result of the influence she has achieved by ascending to this new level of power. By liking her as a character, we may very much cause her rebirth when otherwise she would be dead, in fact we may already have done so once when the travler first brought her back as a light wielder.

Never expected Destiny to dive into pataphysics, but I'm down as long at it stays in the background as fun stories.

In a way, it reminds me of a 40K demon using the mind of a psyker to breach reality. Fascinating.

I wonder if the guardians are incomputable because its us, the player, controlling them. That could explain how we can remain the parent universe. Because things that go into thier universe that they cant simulate are resulting from action outside thier universe. Would that make us, the player, the light that reanimates our guardians since its the incomputable force behind our guardian? And does that mean that somewhere... There are players controlling hive guardians?

savathun said an important line during the last mission to all of this: "i keep and count everything" if bungie releases a "How many bullets" fired tracker just know we're going to see hive moth mom soon and she is going to love us. that's not a good thing considering her form of love is murder.

byf is savathun confirm

Masterful writeing as always expected from bugei. Now please exuse me as I go to bed not thinking about YOU KNOW WHO, and hoping that she WON'T be rigth next to me as I wake up.

So fundamentally, it is a similar Machiavellian plan to Evil Morty's [Rick & Morty] wherein he wanted to break the Multiuniversal Curve and escape into a higher plane

This is something that has come into my head many of times throughout the years. It doesn’t matter whether or not the universe is technically “infinite” or ever expanding in the traditional sense because no matter the answer, it opens two different curtains which hide the answer. 1. This is the more traditionally accepted and easier to comprehend idea of the universe being “ever expanding” or infinite. If the universe is indeed ever expanding, then that means that there are an infinite number of possibilities for things such as other intelligent life, places and beings. 2. This is slightly more difficult to comprehend the scale of and I felt had some relevance to this topic, aka “breaking the fourth wall”. If the universe, our universe, is NOT infinite and has an end, edge or wall, that would signify that we are a part of or at the minimum inside of something bigger. I got onto this idea because of talk of atoms and quarks and for whatever reason, I, personally, cannot comprehend the idea that there is nothing smaller than a quark. In my mind the only logical answer is that there is something even smaller than what we know as the smallest “object” and even when we do discover a smaller particle, the idea still applies. You can continue to get smaller and smaller, but I believe it could go on for an infinity. The same goes for our universe.

Hey byf I’ve found some rather interesting things while re running the story on a new character. Just like the scorn hive hybrid encased ice I found horses. They’re all over witch queen and I wonder what they symbolize for the darkness. In the same room I found a recreation of the throne world encased in blue glass. And a pyramid formed with light and dark blocks. Ghosts audio is also interesting he more or less says the dark helps you remember while the light makes your forget.

Watching this after watching Exploring Series talk about the SCP Chaos Theory is a really cool side-by-side

Savathún already talked on twitter, meaning her presence of ascension has already been further invested in our universe if only by the writers of the game (the people whose heads she lives directly in) furthering her written will within the constraints of marketing

"Sophie's world" by Justien Gaarder beside teaches philosophy has this idea in its story. Main characters finally manage to escape from fictional world to reality...

I've known for a while that Destiny is going the route of metanarrative. Exciting to see them breaking out the actuality arguments the way they are.

The part that got me was the Ahamkara making themselves into trinkets to make themselves more real. Made me think of prop replicas and 3d printing. I myself just 3d printed a pyramid.

Byf: I want to remind you really quickly… Ad: WE ARE FARMERS!

I'd love an explanation to the line (speaking of Immaru), "I know that voice! But he wasn't working for the Hive when he was tormenting young Ghosts in the Tower!" Found at the beginning of the Witch Queen campaign. Any insight?

This lore is super interesting, and actually reminds me of SCP-3812, as the entire entry is essentially about a being that is able to exist on each universal plane at the same time, and it does a fantastic job of explaining this theory behind layered or parent and child universes

I truly must thank you for this one Lore Master, I think this is one of my favorite things I've learned of the destiny universe, but even besides being cool for sci-fi sake I think its probably one of the most well thought out and well written things for a story, just 100% hats off to whom ever pitched these ideas.

When I first heard of this I thought this is so dumb. But hearing the in game lore and the way you explained it sounds so cool . It's such a different way to break the 4th wall I love it.

Wow. I can’t believe I haven’t heard of this lore until now, it’s absolutely amazing! It’s actually very simple with another explanation: Savathun is basically the manifestation of Pandora’s Box across multiverses. However, I have to wonder what exactly Savathun would feel if she is actually existing in our universe, not physically, but mentally. Would she regret it? After all, the real world is almost nothing like D2, and D2 simply exists due to correct circumstances and sheer will of us. Some of us willed to create the story, and the right circumstances occurred for it to occur. Savathun is essentially with the Architects now, and will remain so for the time being anyways. Can’t say if it’ll be for forever, but maybe that’s ok. Gotta give credit where credit is due, but all things come to end. (Btw, Savvy, get used to us, cause while you rack our brains, it’s no question we can do the same. Be as confused as you want, but you might wanna go back sometime, cause we’ve got some FORSAKEN stuff that shouldn’t exist lodged here.)

hey byf! i have a theory about rasputin you might wanna hear. maybe hes moving into an exo body or at least preparing himself to do so so that he meets the prerequisites of becoming a lightbearer, having rasputin as a guardian would not only be helpful to him in his war efforts but would make sense for him shutting off at the sight of the darkness, after seeing that guardians can wield the darkness it would only make sense to a warmind to be able to wield the same weapons to level the playing field against humanities enemies.

hype it’s so exciting to see you cover the arg content

That moment when Byf talks about the plates, I immediately thought of the Ascendant Realm and Ley Lines Neat

If anyone has seen the film "Sinister" starring Ethan Hawke, the deity in that is called Bogul (not sure if i spell that right). Bogul functions EXACTLY like this; The moment you acknowledge he's in an image or even a video, he prays on influencing your children to murder their family in a sacrificial manner. Kinda like Slender but the moment you notice he's there you've doomed yourself allowing him to enter our reality.

So was Sav taking over the official Destiny 2 Twitter account cannon?

please byf we need higer volume videos, i see every video on my phone and your channel its the only one i turn the volume to max and still hesitate to hear everything :c

I had a thought once about gaming and reversed the role of the controller for a console and this reminds me of that thought. If you think about the goal of a game, it is to complete tasks and the programmers and storytellers have made it possible to do so unless you meet certain requirements, specific routes to achieve the goal they set, however complex they might be, so essentially they manipulate us through the controller we are holding while we play! Like a maze on paper moving underneath the pencil to complete itself, but we only comprehend the pencil moving around a stationary path on the paper.....

Savathun's path: The Distributary->The Destiny solar system->The Destiny Universe Lore Pages made by Bungie->Destiny players->Twitter

Savathun is Bill Cipher confirmed. On a serious note, I think Ikora is the one right on this. On top of Destiny being a video game (since we're breaking the 4th wall and everything), there's actually a reference to Savathun proving there's a higher existence in a separate lore tab: the Warlock bond from the Vow of the Disciple raid gear. "... Let me share my perspective then, which you must be waiting for with bated breath: my acquisition if the Light itself is delightful proof of an existence higher even than yours - a sort of karmic wit, if you will." Jalaal makes the claim that Light is not computable, therfore the Destiny universe can't be a simulation. But to us, Destiny is a simulation. It's a video game, for crying out loud. But think of the implications of that simple fact mixed with Jalaal's claim.... The Light really can be simulated in a higher universe. If it couldn't, Bungie couldn't code it into the game, and yet we have Supers and ressurections (truly unlimited to boot for us) at our disposal. It wouldn't be part of the game if it couldn't be programmed in. Her gaining the Light is because it'd make for an interesting story and progression of the plot, and her not being truly killed off is because we the fans enjoy her as a character. Fascinating stuff when you take a step back.

This lore is S P I C Y. And I love it!. Such a fun vid.

This is eerily similar to a really fun roleplay setting a friend of mine ran a few years ago. She even used the same 'plates' analogy to describe the cosmology, but with a layer cake instead.

What if savathun ascended to our reality already in the form of the intro music when starting the game. Her song is built into the main theme of the game and we've all heard that probably hundreds of times each.

Okay so if Savathun is in our Unversie so to speak. And into our minds. Then we can say how powerful she is yes? Maybe Bungie might have a way to play with how we are getting Savathun back in a strange yet 4th wall breaking way.

Alright. So here's the problem with metanarrative correlated universe nesting. Any subjectively lower universe CAN have ascending powers reach into ours, and does so all the time. The very fact that you're talking about Savathun doing it at all means she succeeded. But just like the pixels and code on our screen being the most 'real' the Ahamkara ever get, THIS is as far as she can thus far go as a fictional being. No amount of power, light or dark, will give her strength and presence in our reality beyond the ephemeral limitations she already strains against. The only univese she can threaten that way, is the Destiny universe and all narratives tied directly to it. Still, it's a fascinating story and a mind-boggling way to drive a character. Can't wait to see where it goes.

This has gotta be some of my favorite lore in destiny so far this sounds crasy I love it lol.

Too bad for Savathun there's no means for her to exist here. There is no light or dark, no sword logic, no final shape beyond the heat death of the universe. No shibboleth songs, no power to be derived from death. There is nothing she can be here, more than a little lore and a few lines of code, and those will be gone within a century or two. Mortality, and little else, await her here.

And what does she intend to do now that she had ascended? In my mind, ironically, I believe that the god of deception actually longs to be perceived as she truly is. No one in Destiny’s universe can do that, because their perspectives are limited, but since we have omniscience in Destiny’s universe due to the lore books, we can. In a sense, Savathun’s mind is equal to ours, as the players. She is the only character who now sees her universe from the perspective of someone above it, someone like us. She seeks an equal, just ad Oryx did. I believe she’s found one. She’s brought forth knowledge that I had been harboring for many years, and for that, I thank her. This is my favorite line of hers: "The Dragon and the Worm. The Larva and the Queen. The peasant and the god. So many deities. So many rules. There are endless myths etched into the plague called life. They are not hope or promise or power. They are exaggerations born of misunderstandings. Yet they govern so much-your actions and mine. Day-to-day. Cycle-to-cycle. Evolution-to-evolution. Always idols to guide and punish and love and destroy. But are any true? Whom must we placate with worship and reverence? With offerings and sacrifice? With praise as armor for their frail egos? The truth is, dear child… There are no gods. Only absolutes.” It resonates with me (pun intended) The Sky and the Deep do exist in our universe, but not as the physical objects that we see in Destiny. They’re subtler, natural forces of death and rebirth. Many worship them as gods, but that’s a blind decision. They have no consciousness, no empathy, no joy, no wrath, no hatred. They simply exist, and we, by extension, use them every day. In our own way, us, as the players, are also wielders of Light and Dark. I hold allegiance to neither. I ally myself with knowledge, just as Savathun does.

this reminds me of the stacked coins analogy Petra uses to compare our plane with the acended plane, only our physical world would be the top coin and then destiny's universe would be the next coin down and so on.

Byf i know where u were going with this during the whole Video, U did a Godly job explaining this. The traveler would be proud

Why there is too many (to)’s in the title??

Ngl I'm not sure I'm a fan of destiny being in canon a game, I've seen people do interesting things with the concept of 4th wall breaking in a serious context like Pataphysics in the SCP universe as an example, but I'm not sure Destiny can pull something like that off without making the journey we have all been on feel worthless. This and it kinda ruins character motivation and gives bungie an excuse to pull things out of their ass she just say "it's a game so it don't matter"

I love the Destiny lore because my intro philosophy class has talked about a few things I know of in the lore. Like Ahamkara for one and honestly so many others that I probably don't know about. It would be cool if, for maybe lore only so as to not bombard the average player, they leaned a bit more into the philosophy and mythology a world like Destiny can provide. Thanks for the vid glhf In Indian philosophy there is a concept where 2 people can resolve grudges or communicate with dead family members by having one of them "act" as the deceased and the other act as the one who communicates, and this is sorta like what Savathun wants to do through the books. Many philosophers have different concepts of Self and this lore really aligns with that.

Amazing video byf and you knocked it outta the park grand slam I have a theory it relies on the multiverse theory but even that isn't very stable but my other thought is kinda like scp 3333 at one point its mentioned at the apex or very top exist multiple versions of the building itself in a grid pattern anyone who reaches the top could infact enter another and go down and up as many times as they choose entering different ones which is what my guess is what savathun is intending to do have a wide array of universes at her disposal to further spread her self to strengthening her power in hopes it somehow manifests in a solid functioning state

I'll be honest: I do like Savathun, and I pretty much take her at face value: she's a schemer, and anything she says needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. :D

kinda funny how i am still watching Byfs videos even tho i haven't played D2 since forsaken. Also, sorry for helping to bring Savathun into our world even tho i don't play the game anymore

Holy shit. I felt tingles as the waves of realization washed over me. This is really, really cool.

My mind is blown, i love this big brain topic of coming into our reality, normally a thing like this would seem weird and out of place but i. A world like destiny where everything is wild and confusing but still grounded its awesome

I haven’t played destiny in months but I still can’t get enough of the lore

I love that this ties into the power (pun intended) of names and their importance and identity (like with fae magic).

When you brought this up I totally thought of the ending of men in black where some alien is play marbles with the planets of our universe. This is the most mind bending thought provoking video about destiny universe i have seen yet. All hail lore daddy byf!😀

It’s why during season of the splicer she spoke with out in out of bounds texts “you think you hold power here”

Awsome video, Love your content :D

Don't forget the Messenger tells the Nine that we (the player, not the Guardian) can leave the game. It's also interesting to think of real life as our own personal Throneworld; no matter how many times our Guardian dies, so long as we the player continue to exist here, our Guardian can get back up and live again.

Thanks for the content always love it :)

I was reading a physics article a few weeks back about the concept of universes existing within black holes. So it's quite interesting to see that concept within Destiny.

I see through games, Byf was Savathun all along

The type of thoughts shared in the correspondence between Arach and Ikora is the type of stuff that made me fall into a solipsistic bout of depression for a while. That shit is scary.

I remember either byf or myelin did a video a while ago basically saying how savathun learned nokris' necromancy and other things in order to gain power through knowledge and information in order to step outside the universe or the battle between light and dark

Byf, of all the videos you've done ... this is one of the biggest mind fucks you've ever accomplished ... my sleep will be interrupted for the forseeable future, while I ponder the existence of the queen of lies within our own material plane ...

Dammit Byf!!! You and your lore. You done sabotaged us all!!!

This is really good!

I love when Byf follows up Joker's video with more details paying proof to what he said LONG before anyone else. People hate Joker and love Byf when they say the same thing. This is why I love both of them.

The Ahamkara taking the form of weapons and armor for guardians make sense. It would explain why certain pieces have the "oh bearer mine" theme in their lore. We can also say Riven lives on through the weapon One Thousand Voices.

This whole 4th wall breaking leveled universe thing is so fascinating to think about

This is one of my favorite lore moments in the entirety of Destiny. Byf: have you ever read (or listened to the audiobook) Mogworld by Yahtzee Croshaw?

Been waiting for this one. I found it on Ishtar Collective just now as "The Hidden Dossier".

One thing ikora did say quickly is something I’ve had to tell my friend that strongly believed we lived in a simulation. It’s the matter that even if we are, this world is reality to us. Even if there is some higher being controlling us, it really doesn’t matter