Destiny 2 Lore - The Season of the Deep Finale feels like what the game's story needs right now! 

could we use light supression on immaru and than put bomb on him from spider lmfao dude won't be able escape lol

@@ericx6969manscaped

I have a theory, correct me if I might be incorrect. But when we become allies with Savathûn, we might have to fight an rebel faction within the Lucent Brood led by Alak-Hul. (Because if I remember correctly, his ghost fled)

1:18 No spoilers but definitely an unintentional pun.

Stop playing this game

Really? That's a shame...I wonder how they will handle it from now on

Confirmed where exactly?

That isn't confirmed at all, the Narrative designer just said the radio log this week was the last lines He recorded with Lance. Bungie doesn't record lines in chronological order so we still might hear Zavala in future seasons maybe even LF.

BattleEye crashed while I was listening to it, which is the most Destiny 2 thing ever.

@@dormir6210 not to mention all the unusued voice lines he’s probably recorded, there’s quite a bit they have to work with

That’s the spirit

I've been unable to play for the past few weeks and this is just how im catching up.

I haven't played since before Witch queen, SPOILERS ARE THE ONLY THING KEEPING ME AROUND

Because I can't read! (For me it was because I didn't care lol

So ASHA when you visit her now at the helm won't open her eye and she has taken effects on her eyelid.

My brother and I have talked about this as well. Absolutely nuts

Is there anyway to see it? I believe you, I just never did it myself so I’m curious what it looked like

@@FalconZero18 i want to see this too

Dude....

@@FalconZero18 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mrO0OoalqIQ.html He doesn’t quite get close enough but you can imagine if he walked forward a little bit the triangle would be lined up with the circle in the background. Super trippy

Glad I'm not the only one who caught him. Even pulled Bump out of the vault to double check.

Was Tuk'rin the one that reprimanded their soldiers for not wanting to go to the leviathan? Or the one that assumed control of the unit after their officer died?

@@voltus20 Both.

@@voltus20they killed their commander because a nightmare had drove them mad, then came back to the forward barracks and gave everyone shit for not wanting to go, and nobody argued because they had claimed command by cabal right

Always love that we got named cabal ally, hope that we get another talking cabal ally beside caiatl

Despite Light granting immortality, and Darkness empowered Disciples being very hard to kill, despite staving of Death for centuries, no character in Destiny lives forever. Savathun is bound to die one day. With that said, it’s hard to pinpoint, where, and how, her story will end. I see her story ending one of three ways: forced exile from Sol. Dying while fighting the Witness and its forces. Or being incapacitated by Thorn, other relics, or light suppressing technology the Coalition has access to, that we’d use in order to commence a trial as the Coalition of Sol judge her to an suffer an eternity of imprisonment in the Prison of Elders, the City, or a prison in the sea of screams or one made by the Nine or Awoken in the Ascendant Plane.

Has an NPC ever acknowledged "guardians" plural before either? Usually it's just "the guardian" isn't it?

and the transmat sound effect sounded more aggressive than usual

@@syrupstand Think he refers to Saint-14 and the player, as Saint-14 is a Guardian, and not a man who carry a certain rank, he is simply just a Guardian, and so are you.

It really felt like a Destiny-like Door slam like when someone is mad at you and leaves your office, slamming your door shut

Actually, Osiris asked him that.

@@dragonmangames2523 Savathûn, disguised as Osiris, asked him that.*

@@Operational117 Yeh.

*Osuris asked that

No choice… it is do or die now

Maybe we beat her by truely empathising with her and telling her "We know how Oryx death shook your world and how alone, lonely and full of rage you feel espacially by the betrayal of your sister. We`re so sorry for your loss."

That is some Vinland Saga season 2 Quote right there

I mean, yeah. But that's how you beat all the ascendant hive: take away their incoming devotion and sacrifice so that you starve the worm. Then march on their throne world and hand them their own ass. Then, if you do it enough times, they die. Unless they decide to turn into a guardian though, that complicates things

Here is a thought the witness seems like they are trying to stop conflict in some way, be it domination so over the top that there will never be conflict again or something else. That would really be a problem to the ascended hive of war

Yeah, but he'll complain non-stop no matter what happens.

Yeah Osiris is a cold hard facts kinda guy. Sure he'll hate it at first but after thinking it over he'll be like, "F*ck it, we ballin."

Savathun is the biggest Expert on the Witness and The Traveller that Exists. Osiris will get it.

​@@TheRealJohnuxYou mean the witness that fooled her? Sure.

@@gargathulothhastur4981 that was when she was still a proto hive. Besides, point to a single character that has deceived the Witness, oh there isn't anyone to ever pull it off, that isn't Savathun? Curious.

Step one in Chekhov's gun: have a gun.

That's kind of true, but he did have a narrative or rather gameplay reason for staying alive and that was to lead the lucent hive and be the voice through the patrol zone

I'm not surprised either, but man is it exciting. It's the how that I'm surprised by though as i always imagined some shenanigans done by immaru to get in close to res her. Not us having to res her out of desperation.

I think the community as a whole knew Savathun would come back at a later date since Daddy Immaru was kept alive, it was just a question of "when" and its very exciting to finally see it happening!

@@blackout2189[looks in all directions to confirm presence of firearm] yes.

I really feel like the voice acting in D2 is so overlooked. Its always amazing. Hearing the little differences in Osiris and Savathun as Osiris, Eramis sounding beaten down in Plunder, The Witness's quiet rage, the turmoil in Season of the Haunted and now. Its pretty much always great

Agreed. It almost feels like the VAs were told that this specifically was going to be an extremely important part of the story, and everybody went above and beyond. It's generally been really good anyways, but this was just another level. And Xivu specifically has been really well done.

Definitely, I especially liked this week's veil dialogue and how Chioma Esi's VA sounded like she was literally on the verge of tears.

Maybe I'm looking into it too much but the way Saladin just transmats out without doing the walk back also shows how angry he is. You can hear it in the conversation and when he just acknowledges everyone in the room before leaving, its so much more "sharp" than usual. With all those Titans in the room its a surprise nothing got broken except in spirit and a little of trust.

@@GrayvesXthe only exception is imo Osiris in LF kinda sucked in voice acting

Zavala

I feel as though we’d have plenty of means and precautions to ensure her cooperation. Thorn, Osteo Striga, light suppressing technology from Caital’s Ascendnancy, and many other relics and methods we have could subdue or kill her. Leaving her helpless at our mercy, or dead. Not to mention, her only being able to wield Light could a fireteam could immobilize her with Strand and Stasis if she’d tried anything. Think about it, Light and Darkness are polar opposites. She’d have trouble countering against them, especially if she’s on her own aginst an experienced fireteam. Not to mention, skilled Guardians like Aunor and the Hidden would keep eyes on her at all times. Also, considering Eris is partially responsible for the deaths of half the Osmium dynasty, and she had Hive magic, Strand, and Stasis, she could torture any needed information out of Savathun. Eris could maybe even use Deepsight to scour the Witch Queen’s memories. Eris is more than the “Bane of the Swarm” at this point. She’s a bane to all Hive, who refuses to die until they are all extinct.

Oh, she'll help us. At this point if you aren't if you aren't on the Witness' side, you are against him. So, I think Savathun will be on our side as a reluctant ally that will betray us once the fight with the Witness is done.

Knowing what we know now, I think the moment Savathun learns what happened to the Traveler, the first thing she'll probably feel is going to either be anger that we let this happen, or vindication that her plan would have prevented all this and spit it back at us. After everything she learned at the end of Witch Queen with the revelation that they were deceived into both joining the Witness AND learning that their species wasn't in any real danger from whatever the "God Wave" was supposed to be, that she will probably be more than willing to help us, with some smug banter, of course.

Yea 👎

That would be gold

It would be really cool, but they probably won't do it because it would be expensive as fuck. I believe it's 6 different voice actors (3 for the males of each race and 3 for the females) times how ever many languages the game is translated into. Of course they could simplify it by making it Savathun's actual voice but that wouldn't be as cool

@@pyrosfolly5698 nah they changed it to just 1 per in beyond light so they could do more cutscenes with us talking in it.

​@@Storse Yet we seem to get less of those than we did back in the day? Lmao

By our own hands is precisely what I expected.

This was telegraphed by a mile for every single person I’ve talked to, so yeah, idk what to say.

she isn't called deception queen for nothing, remember she has betrayed everyone she worked with..

@@Dizastermaster. Same I literally predicted to my friends we rez her cause she knows how to get inside the portal.

​​​@@niks660097 makes you wonder if she would still deceive anyone though. I mean, she doesn't have a worm to feed, no reason to have the Traveler for herself (since it's 'dead' now). And most of her lies had been revealed by now (from how she helped in the first collapse, and most of the things she said in two truths, two lies). Then again, this is the being who lived eons deceiving others.

Or how he calles his hives "antisocial arthropodes"

​@@PurpleShadow108Immaru and Asher Mir would make a great duo lmao

I'm imagining then doing the most girly jumping high five freeze frame with them gleefully smiling because it's comically out of character fir both of them.

And Eris please🥺

@@xuriso_lannister Oh definitely Eris and Elsie will be there, getting extremely uncomfortable as Savathûn and Mara aggressively flirt with each other.

@@pythonxi sarcastically or literally?

@@anthonyortiz350 I'm 100% serious.

Still, that is a bit forbidding. But, at this point, I don’t see any of the variations of Elizabeth’s dark futures playing out. So much has changed. Too much, in our timeline, for that dark future to occur. In every dark future, the Witness never made the link and invaded the Traveler.

Yes she did, she was the Witch Queen in those timelines. Anything can happen. I think one wrong move and we’re in a Bombardment in our timeline again. Desperate times, desperate measures. We have no choice

@@drakenblazinggaming5478 Funny thing is, with a title like Lightfall, and the darker, more serious tones of the initial teaser, and later neon-soaked trailer featuring Neomuna, I really thought we’d suffer a great loss in Lightfall’s campaign. Not a full bombardment, but say, a Hive invasion with Taken involved, us loosing citizens and key figures, along with a quarter of Neomuna being destroyed, with a good number of Neomuni in the CloudArk being killed or Taken by Xivu Arath and House Salvation. Think about it, the Veil may have exterior defenses, and it’s own natural defense, but Calus was able to nearly capture it. With their combined skills, Xivu and Eramis could possibly invade the CloudArk and kill/capture Neomuni. Making no where safe for its citizens. At that point, we’d have to coordinate a mass exodus from Neomuna. Making more room for them in the City, while offering safe harbor in the Dreaming City. The Dreaming City may be stuck in a curse loop, but at least it wouldn’t be half decimated by the Hive and Taken.

I mean it's not like we have a choice either, she warned us and if we kill her we will continue not knowing how to enter the portal.

Imagine bungie fucking up her character because they dont want to overdeliver.

Now we just need to get a vex ally to fight alongside us as well.

@@TheContrarian09☠️

oh that would be bangers but what would be funny is if she betrayed us again

Wait, what?

@@GREGG2099before you get to the ritual sight for a bit the objective text says THE COWARD FLESH MUST BURN or something similar to that

@@popycorn3005 that was it

I love it when they do stuff like that.

Yep reminded me of the rhulk “DROWNDROWNDROWN”

"Now I get to tell you all, three different times, the following words: I told you so!" - Savathûn

I already expected a visitor and I would have told her that her plan would not have worked. So might as well spring the trap

I kind of hope next Season is when we bring Savathun back, preferably early on so she can smart mouth us about her being right. Then, the following season as the final for Lightfall is her plan to bring us through the portal and us doing whatever we need to make it happen.

@@FuKuNinja agree. I don’t think Savathun’s plan would’ve worked either. Considering the Witness has the ability to warp and bend reality, appear as someone else, trick entire species into joining it, can bend space and time, survive an attack by the Trvaler itself, steal planets, and has won in every other dark timeline, I’m pretty sure the Witness would’ve discovered a loop hole in invading Savathun’s Throne world, would’ve used its forces to whittle down the Lucent Brood to nothing, while killing all Hive Ghosts, leaving Savathun, bare and defeated-on a block ready to be beheaded by a Disciple.

They'll resurrect her, or Crota or the splicers whatever's convenient. They'll all know one thing: buy the DLC.

Don't forget the two truths two lies game she played... the taken king will rise again

When was it said that his body was next to hers? I thought last we heard it was still on the ocean floor but they were attempting to recover it

@@GrayvesX its in the lore. They are being kept in the same area without the residents of The Last City knowing since there would be conflict of keeping dangerous being close to their living areas. Should be in the armour lore tabs.

Clearly, Lucent King Oryx will finally rise, thanks to the help of his Ghost... Peach.

​@@magetsalive5162His incredibly fierce and battle hardened Ghost, Rosemary-

So she'd be into bondage?

Hmm.... I have sus thlughts right now

Conflict is conflict. Like Khorne says, it matters not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows.

@@Wulfspyder But I don't think Khorne would sound sus while being empowered

There may be possibility that you are right about it(imagine Savathun vs Xivu Arath) or that still unnamed disciple that we might have to hunt down(that disciple may have created taken for the witness)

Bungie have forgotten things before like all the work we put into grind in D1 and invincible villains being boring. All I wanted was for the billionth boring invincible Hive villain getting a thousandth shot at destroying us because gods as villains is the most boring thing the franchise can do and they just keep doing it over and over again. Plus, we could have just had a mission to destroy the Ghost later and that would have still incorporated the Ghost’s survival without giving Savathun yet another chance to get in the way of a good story.

Savathun has been the Greatest Expert on the Traveler and the Witness since the very beginning. It's wierd to me that it had to be pointed out that the only person with a plan on how to stand against the Witness wasn't being taken into consideration in the First place.

The gaslighting duo!

Oooooh I hope that's the name we get Makes wonder what the armor and weapon sets will be

​​@@-Gilveronestly, i have no clue. We just got hive themed armor with the new dungeon, so unless there's a secondary theme beyond the hive to pull inspiration from, i don't see what theme they could use. Edit: SCORN!! I just remembered that the main opposition of the lucent hive im the throne world is scorn, and we're yet to get a scorn themed armor set, beyond a couple exotic ornaments.

I don't think that there was a single Non-Titan character this season outside of Drifter. A full fledged Crayola-Fest.

@@HammerdWalrus crayola?? where????

Warlock also is thematically appropriate. Who better to dismantle a Hive ritual?

@@xenocyberfwagon There's a meme that titans eat crayons

@@hazeltree7738 r/whoosh

man that would be fucking awesome maybe a season or a mini dlc or something like this

I have a stron suspicion that xivu will also be risen alongside oryx, and the lucent syblings will be on our side come final shape

Oryx probably knew that the Witness was behind the Hive. In Books of Sorrow there is an episode, where he dives into the Darkness and get soom mysterious answers about the nature of things. He didn't told to Savanthun and Xive, what answers he get. This might be the truth about the Hive's origins

@@user-rw3qf4kr4y that is very possible. But the witness has lied to them from the beginning. I’m very interested to see how Oryx reacts to that knowledge, whenever it happened or if it does happen

Asher Mir died in Defiance

@@matthewwiles1974did he? Was the mentioned somewhere in the Vexcaliber mission?

@@Blu_Moon_Owl last one

He might have died but his vexs survived and maybe all pyramidion(that is how it is written i forgot) are now reprogramed by Asher Mir there may be whole pyramidion that is helping US in shadow what you think. I still think that the Black heart should be rebuild and vex from there might help US do this.

​@@makscepura3572 Well... Theres leaks where the next season will be about Savathuun (Now confirmed) and the last season will be about the Vex

Season of the Deep really is Season of the Titan

The titan we see isn't byf... you can see glimpses of his warlock during the cutscenes after the mission

How do you know the Vex will help? The lore itself states that they came from another dimension, and they don't understand ours so they have to change it using the simulations to understand what's going on. I don't think there can be any friendly vex, unless you use the one that was the basis for the cloudarc on Neomuna?

wrong

@@goosesk2862me looking for who the fuck asked

​@@goosesk2862let him enjoy it ffs

There is no way on any reality that anyone would agree with that I can imagine Zavala saying, NO!

It’s not hard, imagine the direction to take for the crappiest story possible and then realise it involves a Hive god coming back. Don’t finally show us the last one you’ve been teasing for years, no, bring back an old one so any work we did putting her down is undone.

We knew this would happen, Bungie knew this, all that matters is how it’s executed and how the characters are with this

I don't think people are surprised how it happened. We're just happy that it's done in a way that makes sense, fits the narrative and sets up a really interesting story. For now though, let's wait and see how this is going to be executed.

@@MrVidman14 believe it or not, I some of my friends ACTUALLY THOUGHT she was dead for good. I was like “you’re kidding right? You DO KNOW as long as her ghost lives, she lives, and she will be back.”

@@kreia187 I remember telling one of buddies “watch, she’ll say Savathun is the key. Why? Because she is a former disciple and was there for the first fall. I would not be surprised if she even has a hand in bringing back Cayde.

"The Sisters will be reunited under the Sky." - Savathûn

The sister from that flashback is Aurash (Oryx), not Sathona (Savathun). I suspect that flashback is intentionally induced by the Witness to remind her of her love for Oryx and to further fuel her resolve to keep fighting against us.

That's not even a theory, that's just literally what was going on.

It's because he isn't dead , can't be brought back if you never died oryx made plans for his death and that was the touch of Malice, his living essence litterally lives on through the touch of malice and that's why his body still grows but his 'mind" is empty

Definitely can agree, though this feels like an interlude done right. This story felt complete, and a goal set that is already causing conflict. I'm interested to see the future of the story now that we're getting clarity on things.

Totally agree, but this is exactly what the seasons are supposed to be, so I’m not against it.

Yeah it was an interlude but done properly. A lot of the early season was indeed literally padding for time, but also brought some really cool and needed character moments. But at least it gave actual context and reason to care about it's narrative. Something lightfall didn't feel like doing.

Yes because lightfall is not the penultimate expansion to TFS

@@moonlitmortician6694 that would be fine if the campaign wasn’t also an afterthought. This moment to me was the nail in the coffin. I’m over it. D4 you’re my new main squeeze.

Let's goooo 🎉🎉🎉

Fish

Savathun is going to come back and I hope to god she smack talks her sister for constantly mucking her own ambitions up. "What's the matter, dear sister? *Lost your edge?* "

You say she "lost" but not once during that entire fight did she seem concerned. Every blow we dealt to her with a wizards death would have her chuckling momentarily afterwards. More importantly Xivu is a master tactician and knows when to retreat and when not to. I doubt we've seen the last...or worst of her yet

@@salazaarfyrfang2699 Both the Witness and Xivu Arath consider the season a defeat. Xivu isn’t concerned, the Witness is.

When you've been doing a particular thing for literal eons, i imagine it would be hard to stop

It would be a great attention to detail if when we revive her with parasite equipped, he comments on it.

Or that where the titan pyramid is now

Explain??😎

@@Shanno-Bits kinda obvious

@@lavihayoun05 no no i mean which statue youre referring to

@@Shanno-B the hive statues you deposit the swords ? For the exotic quest

Oh, and why I said "by believable means" was to discredit lightfall as we did fail but by bullshit reasons.

Good solid take. I'd say the problem as to why we haven't had such a moment yet is simple and unfortunate. If we suffered a solid setback, an honest defeat. Our morale would plummet. In game and out. Quite honestly it'd feel like we wasted our effort. All investment leading to failure. That could easily drive folks away. If the Storytelling weren't so inherently built upon cliffhangers and waiting for the next bit. If we got it all at once, it might not be so bad. But as it is, that'd be a risky gamble. Probably wouldn't be as bad as last week's revelations being seasonal information and not base game information though.

@nathanabel8169 really think losing would hit way harder than winning every single season. Really, if people are turned off by losing once, then are they really fans of storytelling? Failure should happen to show we aren't invincible and to show we can lose, it ups stakes, it shows how strong our enemy is, and it makes one hell of a comeback story.

@@nathanabel8169 idk I just want to feel like we're in a war and are going up against actual threats I would settle for a seraph situation where yes Xivus ritual didn't work but we still lost Rasputin and all his assets a golden age wonder lost forever until bungie inevitably revive him. Just something to nail home, we can lose

"The answer is yes." - Savathûn

Seeing how one of her contingency plans has always been to leave things behind/hidden for us to eventually find and gather strenght from, i imagine you're not too far from the truth.

"It is! Good catch." - Savathûn

She holds her cards close, even if she didn’t know about Ahsa (which is unlikely) she had to know that if she was beaten (which we know would’ve been impossible without revealing the Witness’ lie) we’d eventually come to the conclusion she be our last hope.

There’s a decent chance the next season is a stall for time rather than resurrecting savathun then. Maybe preparing a way to contain her?

@@douglasdoyle5746 next season was leaked a while ago as the season of resurrection. so if those leaks are correct then we could be reviving savathun next season. my guess is ovbiously on the final week

his story is over, for better or worse. the end of his story back in season of the drifter ended with a note which explained he has chosen to retire and leave all his work to the next generation

​@@fahholliday5374Didn't that happen in Opulence?

"When someone Takes something from you: Take it back." - Savathûn

Season of the Deep...Sight.

Because the enemy of your enemy isn't your friend. Savathun wants the traveller for herself, to further her own goals and aspirations. This is why she didn't try to reason or organise with the guardians. She is a light bearer, as in she uses the powers of the light. But using light does not make one a guardian, and ultimately this is what brought us to conflict. Her victory is everyone else's defeat, and we aren't fighting for the ball in the sky but for all those that have seeked protection in sol. Humans or otherwise.

​@@mobiuscoreindustriesExactly. She was totally willing to steal the Traveler and leave us to die Lightless against Witness' goons.

When did you start playing? I think most players who have played since the beginning are all together in saying this is the worst lore to ever be in the game, I’m confused on what seems good to you? Bungie is obviously just putting the bare minimum together

The one with Xivu’s communion with the Witness?

@@DarthDookieMan yup