It would be a real curveball if the Awoken in the Distributary returned after billions of years locked away, unrecognisable by time and isolation, transformed, incomprehensible, and incredibly hostile.
In the Vex Mythoclast's lore tab, it says: "The Mythoclast is a Vex instrument from some far-flung corner of time and space, mysteriously fit for Human hands. It's origins, mechanism of action, and ultimate purpose remain unknown. Perhaps it will reveal itself to you, in time..." This always made me very curious, espectially the last bit of it which suggests we are going to figure it out at some point. Would love to see this!
imagine the vex mythoclast is really an axis mind that used vex simulations to try and alter reality, but ended up turning itself into a gun for us, because we are the key into obtaining what the witness wanted, it modeled itself for us, made us curious, then the mythoclast will turn back into what it was, and become witness part 2
@@Brrrstrument nah. Witness part 2 is boring and uninspired. Why retread old ground when we could do something different? I don't think they could make any vex mind be on par with the witness, and it would be pathetic to watch them try and fail to make that happen
I literally made a Vow that I'd never stop playing the game until we take back Torobotl. 3 years ago i was so ready to move on from the Cabal. But now? Im with them to the end of the line and beyond.
I would love to throw down alongside the Cabal , that would so tight and maybe like some psion aspects fragments or hell a new playable race with new moves and 👌 👍 😍 🥰
I feel like that’s set up by the writers. We see as much when we learn Xivu’s become mortal this season. But, there’s other story threads left uncut: hunting down the remaining worm gods to end the Hive, lifting the curse in the Dreaming City and permanently killing Savathun’s daughter, maybe the Black Armory Forges come back in a side quest line? The prophecy of the Kell of Kells being the first to be chosen by the Light, The Fanatic and the Scorn, Oryx and Xivu’s Throneworlds being vacant for anyone to usurp and claim, the Nine going forward, rebuilding the City of Earth’s government to replace the now disbanded Consensus, the power vacuum and pyramid tech that will be left behind after the Witness’ death, the imprisonment or trial of many of the Witness’ forces that aren’t routed from Sol. There’s also Lysander and the Concordate that could bring the rogue factions into his fold after they’ve left the City, Crow potentially becoming Hunter Vanguard, the possibility of Amanda coming back as a Guardian, the Distributary, what happens to Braytech with Ana and Elsie, there are still many story threads to explore.
The Cabal Atheneum Worlds would be a cool bit of lore to dig into and see! Lots of opportunities there for exploration, and perhaps deep, unfathomable horrors 👀
I’d appreciate a time skip, or a disconnect from the way time is tracked in the Destiny universe as I feel there should be in universe time for another problem to build up rather than a villain of the week deal
I know that it might be strange, but I’d love to see a moment of peace. Like we have just dealt with the biggest menace in the universe, the Witness or Xivu, and then there’s another objective like going in to the tower, we’re there’s a lot of cheering and everyone is enjoying the triumph. Just after that you have to talk to zavala, and he says that the work isn’t ended. Your objective is to do three patrol in the cosmodrome, and then you go to the place where the ghost resurrected you. You sit down there on the cliff with him, you take a look at the horizon, the screen fades to black and that’s it. I don’t know I think it would make sense, and I would feel very emotional if something like that would ever happen (I’m Italian sorry for the bad English if I made any mistakes)
@@samhank like what does "the aphelion" mean? It's just the name the awoken gave to this Monsters. Otherwise I'm not 100% sure what you are asking. I just mean I'd like to see Bungie give us some more info on them, or show them to us in game.
Distributary! They live millions of years faster than us... who knows what's going on in there. They could be fighting their own form of darkness beyond our comprehension.
Like how the imperium of man is fighting wars against Xenos and enemies it was not able to wipe out with its lasguns, we no have to contend with possibly hostile alien races the hive didn’t wipe out.
I would love to see some of the planets the drifter has been to after we assist our allies in reclamation. Also I will be very disappointed if we do not encounter an Aphelion as a new enemy/boss in the future. The final story i want to see also is that of the 9. How did they come to be what is their true purpose and power. A trip into the distributary would be pretty awesome as well. Alot could have changed in the billion years Mara hasn't been there
i'd say your probably massively underselling the population of the last city. considering it sprawls out from beneath the near-moon-sized traveler and that it's the future with a ton of tech that would allow it to support more people. personally i'd put it between 50 and 100 million.
I feel like Neomuna won’t stay neutral for long. There’s so many more enemies they haven’t fought aginst that they may not be able to handle without us. Just like Mara, Neomuna may have their hand forced by Savathun, or some other threat, that may force them to ally with us. But, I would like to get an episode revolving around us aiding Neomuna, specifically it’s City Council. Maybe there is a dark conspiracy we uncover that forces a type of re-election of leadership? Making the Neomuni reevaluate their position on staying neutral, and viewing the Guardians in a better light? Maybe an episode will revolve around this reveal of a conspiracy deep in Neomuna, and is gradually winning over the Neomuni as allies. We can help each other in ways the other can’t. Though, that trust between the rest of the Neomuni, and us, needs to be built further. Though, maybe having Devrim, or Suraya, vouch for us, human civilians, could convince the Neomuni further to trust the Guardians and the City. With it coming from ordinary humans that have lived under our watch and fought beside us.
To be completely honest I just wanna know more about the space spiders you mentioned in your video on Cyrtarachne's Facade. Imagine Starship Troopers with space magic.
What about Clovis Bray? his ai is still alive on Europa and he sent a message there saying that we knew his plan to take over the warmind. I'm sure he will pop up again and I hope he does.
I think the initial phase of the next saga will see us first pacifying our own system. Vex - With the Witness dead the Vex will see the greatest threat to the dominion removed and will look to act against what they perceive to be the greatest threat to that. The Guardians. Eliksni - The Eliksni will see a time of upheaval as the various factions contend with each other and their enemies. The Scorn, the House of Salvation and the House of Dusk are still a thing so those threats remain The Cabal - They will ask gor our help to take Torabatl back from the Hive but what then? Will they look to reestablish their Empire and will this put us our Guardians in conflict with them again. The Hive/Taken - I bunch these together for good reason. The Hive and Taken are still a threat. Xivu Arath and Savathûn are still a threat and will remain one. However, freed from service to the Witness they will now have to find a new meaning and purpose. There is also the possibility of someone like Rhulk, or one of the other Disciples of the Wi tness, coming back to lead them.
The main problem of humanity is that we are far too few in numbers in the Destiny Universe. Unless there is a way too seriously boost our population we’re stuck “defending our turf” *Derp commented before the end of the video, glad we agree hahah
Honestly… as much as I would love us jumping in a Cabal Carrier and performing an orbital D-Day invasion (which is probably what would happen) and putting the boot to the last of the Hive gods, scaling back and dealing with uniting all the settlements on Earth - truly reclaiming our own home - would be really neat. It would be a good story for someone like Hawthorne to show up again (maybe with Crow) as a more down to earth character. “Yeah, you beat the Witness, yeah you’re a god-slayer, but humanity is still scattered and a shadow of its golden age self.” Maybe someone like Lysander could show up and try to unite the factions and attempt to divide us again, trying to drive us into another dark age. They kinda did this in Splicer, but that was just the City. A village on the other side of the planet will shoot at Mithrax (and maybe us) the second they see him
You do understand....that basically as has been shown...the traveler is like Omega one Ghost....I personally think, that if it really wanted, correction.... if it was not threatened...I believe its fully capable of Rezing a whole population and or use any genetic material a ghost has scanned.....otherwise it would not be as important as it is...as a lifebringer....as a gardener.
It's clear to me that we are going to get a Vex after credits scene after the final shape just like when we saw the Pyramids in the beginning kicking off the next saga.
I think the episodes or next expansion would or could be hunting surviving allies to the witness after we kill it. I also like to believe that it can be the way we get a third darkness subclass by taking it from one of them
Im just hoping for more Vex stuff. Apart from a couple things during lightfall there hasn't been any super impactful story beats in a long time as far as i am aware (Season of the splicer being the latest i think). personally i think that the vex environments are the most awe inspiring in the franchise due to how incredibly alien they are (not including the darkness structures of course, they're in a league of their own, Thems god damn breathtaking). Just imagine stumbling onto a Vex forge star like 2082 Volantis and seeing vex structures designed along the lines of the Precursors, then getting obliterated by a true vex war machine... A Basilisk or something idk. Gotta remember that the vex we're dealing with right now are "Farmers" after all. Then there is the far fetched possibility of the vex somehow understanding and being able to calculate paracausality, kinda makes me wonder why the witness never made a vex into a direct disciple (as far as we know anyway) it'd probably be quite dangerous for it to give nigh omnipotent emotionless beings the key to the only thing that's keeping them in check... Also we're kinda lacking any good vex armor sets since we didn't get AoT VoG gear... I wont get disappointed if they don't though lol, i'm used to it. Edit: I've also seen a lot of people talking about the aphelion becoming a race at some point, as much as i too would love to see that i dont think that thats happing because of what we know about them so far. They seem more like the ahamkara in that they are more animalistic (Im not sure of the best way to describe them since there isn't a lot of lore on them right now but you get my point). They are described more like "Creatures" and appear to act more primitive than a force that could militarize like the rest of the races.
I want more fighting alongside the cabal ascendancy. If any force was going to be the stand-in for something like ODST’s, Guardsmen, or clone troopers, it’s the cabal. (And they have the best warship designs. Eliksni stuff works for hit-and-run, and temporary infiltration, but I could see the cabal ships and logistical expertise winning wars
Honestly I think it's to help the Cabal reclaim their homeworld. I think it mostly depends on whether or not we deal with Xivu Arath AND the Witness during the Final Shape, if not we need to go deal with Xivu next.
To be fair, I believe we also did apparently go through a point at which our numbers dwindled down to like 8,000 at some point during our history, so it would be reasonable to assume we could bounce back in that part.
What happened to fraction? Thats is a question, they left in the season of the splicer, Yiryks is still out there and may command shadow legion now. Vex will forever be a threat, and finally the Nine what is happening with them
I feel like the 3 episodes are tying loose ends to make way for the next saga. The episodes all deal with main enemy races that will still be a threat to humanity after Final Shape. Whether the conclusions to the episodes are good or bad but I believe with each conclusion to these episodes will somehow remove the threat of that race or set it up to reduce the threat of that race to start the slow process of reclaiming what can still be reclaimed of our lost worlds, reclaiming Riis and Torobotle. That’s just speculation and will almost definitely be wrong.
I really hope we get some cool stuff like primal destiny 2 or like some stuff that really changes the dynamic and art. Send us into a Horizon Zero dawn like theme. Cool animals, lots of colors, and a more creatively free design team.
I highly suspect the post-Final Shape will be...dull. Not necessarily because the writing will be bad, but I suspect the changes to the gameplay will be extremely small, the grind will basically be the same, and the biggest issue is that you will feel like the game is "over" in your heart. 10+ years of build up to the Witness arriving and its' defeat, so we're "done" with the story/game, yet it continues. Deep down you'll be finished with the game, and continuing to play won't feel the same.
With the Witness as the Final big bad, it will be underwhelming to just have a new boss fill the void it leaves. I think there should be costs to defeating such a character that will and should have lingering ramifications outside of filling the gap with new villains. We should go back to how like in Destiny 1 where now there needs to be a focus on keeping humanity and the city alive. even if it is just community events, but I would like to see actual consequences of either doing well or poorly. They can easily reuse current and old content mechanics to make this work. Meanwhile at the same time, we have the option to focus on newer threats that emerge, be it the the Cabal or Elinski homeworlds, a resurgence of the Vex, or finally taking down the last Hive Gods. Point is, we need to have more of a focus for those "at home" on Earth.
i want ANYTHING related to braytech, warmind tech, ishtar tech, and anything more science-fictiony and weapon-related enough hive magic and awoken magic and cable stuff, i want the guardians to start building up defenses and reclaiming their warmind and braytech weapons n stuff the guardians can defend humanity on the ground easily and in the sky with the ships that have guns, but we are gonna need high-tech weapons and stuff to defend earth and our planets with, and I feel like we get more seasonal stuff thats all about knights or magic or honor and whatnot than we get for science fiction stuff like the warmind. I know season of the seraph gave us that and that was nice, but I don't think we have enough. The only REALLY science fiction-y stuff we have in terms of armor is the braytech armor, warminds avatar armor, deep stone crypt armor, and that armor from the warmind expansion, and only one of those armor sets is readily available for all players (warminds avatar from season of the seraph)
I would love to see us explore the true origins of the Traveler and how exactly something so powerful ended up in our Universe. Perhaps we could end up meeting more of its kind or even its creator .
@@Fr0sTy327 My original head canon, from before the reveal from Ahsa about the Witness, was that the Traveler was actually an escaped experiment, having been created by the Witness and its race. Meaning that the Light is actually just another form of Darkness.
Considering what we now know it seems the veil and the traveler were linked together and may have had one complete source of power. Lore states that the light and dark were potentially once the same energy. Even a ghost projection shows the traveler wrapped around in roots sorta like how the veil has. And with the vex caliber mission it seems the veil was missing another half at the end of the roots. It may explain why the traveler has all those lines around it as well as if something was holding it. And from the witness cutscene it seems like the traveler might have broken off from the veil or escaped it and crashed on the witnesses planet until they found it and helped dig it out.
@@ArcaneStraini think you've misunderstood a few things there. The Traveller was found by The Witness, meaning that it couldn't have been made by them. And the difference between and light and dark isn't just in name. The light is the power of the physical world, things like nuclear fission in solar and gravity in void, while The dark represents the power of conciousness.
We really need a phyrric victory of some kind. If we end up with a happy-ever-after resolution, it's gonna fall very flat. The Witness is too big, and too powerful, for there not to be some long-lasting impact from his attempts at creating the Final Shape
There are two potential stories I’m curious about, and they may link to each other. The 1st being with Clovis Bray. Last time I checked, he wasn’t happy with in Season of the Seraph and might be a potential threat for us to deal with. The 2nd story involves the Vex portal on Europa. On the other side is a Vex forge star, and I’m curious to see what it will look like
@@mose3775 Yeah, but going by lore, that place is probably just a normal fuel depot/bastion for them, so i don't think they'd have anything really valuable placed there.
@@lionheartgoodfellow3770 You make a fair point. There was that mysterious tower that Clovis saw, though. He said something about how it didn’t fit in with the rest of the landscape.
@@samhank Mysterious apex predators that have the power to destroy planets in seconds, and have terrorized the other races of the galaxy and the awoken, who fear them despite their paracausal powers. Only one of them, a crazy skilled warrior, has been rcorded having survived an attack from one. Yes, just survived, there's no mention of it having been killed. We know almost nothing about them and haven't seen them, and they seem to never leave any survivors. So these things/thing would probably be able to take on Guardians without breaking a sweat, and I think they'll prove to be very difficult opponents in the future...
Im excited to see the vex take center stage after final shape. Being the original big baddies before all the retcons/reboots/changes has always interested me and the concept art from D1 is still awesome to look at today
Plus we have never seen the true vex military arm, they don’t seem to see us as that much of a threat, or they are preoccupied in another part of the universe
Take note that after we destroy the witness, bungie devs did state that there was more that we had to do to prevent the witnesses actions. My guess is there will be a collective effort similar to what we have done in prior seasons.
@@mylesfrost335 like we did with the warsats and other similar “all player” stat kills/completions. Still I look forward to the land changing and a new place to roam around in
One thing I would love to see after the Witness' defeat is our allies settling on the Solar System alongside Humanity. Torobatl may be reclaimed, but the damage could be so deep that it would be uninhabitable for the Cabal, so maybe the Vanguard offers Caiatl to settle on Mars (as was teased on the first mission of Witch Queen), and we could recover the planet as a patrol zone, with the patrols and events themed around aiding the Cabal in settling down there :D Then the Eliksni, depending on how Eramis' story concludes, Riis-Reborn is there and could be a neutral Eliksni city. Maybe the House of Light chooses to stay on the City, under the Traveler, and they could help humanity to reclaim other parts of Earth (I NEED MORE EARTH ZONES ASIDE FROM EDZ AND COSMODROME D:)
I hate the idea of hanging out on earth after all this is said and done. Our destiny lies in the stars. It's been a recurring theme since the launch of the franchise. We need to wrap up the threat of the witness before we can finally move on from the cocoon that is Sol
@@everythingsalright1121 The Eastern Flood Lands (where a Crucible map is), London, Old Chicago, Panama Canal, Brazilian Dead Zone, etc. Too many cool sounding places to explore, and yet, we don't do it D:
I would love to see a destination that's just one MASSIVE social space. Like a full on exploration of the deeper parts of neomuna, the last city, or efrideet's guardian colony. No big bad Enemies, no world ending threats; just a buncha secrets, vendors, and whatnot for us to discover new weapons and exotics akin to cyberpunk or something
What I think is, well, do any other threats even pose a real threat if we can beat the Witness? The only way I can see that is... if the main character (us) suffers a final death.
This is one of my biggest worries. When you set the stakes as high as the complete destruction of the universe, do other stories even mean anything? There’s gonna need to be some massive shakeups in Final Shape to make following stories believable in terms of stakes.
@@Anchor-Supreme Has destiny's stakes ever been believable? Like has there ever been any point where the sentiment hasn't just been "Eh, we'll kill 'em or turn 'em into a gun sooner or later". Like even the current threat of the witness just seems like another darkness enemy that gets a cinematic death.
The Vex will be a massive threat at some point. They rewrite full blown timelines to be their way. Whilst The Witness is powerful and wants to rewrite our reality the Vex rewrite ALL realities. There’s also still Xivu Arath who is disconnected from her thrown world but is not weak by any means. Savathun still exists and is likely plotting something massive. I wouldn’t be surprised if another Midnight Coup happens within the Cabal and some new threat comes out (remember they made tech which sealed the traveler, can destroy stars, etc). The Fallen are pretty much defeated but if anyone could actually unite them across all houses in another house of Devils type situation we could be in for a massive threat to humanity. Also we still don’t know HOW we’re defeating the witness. There may be a one time thing that puts its power down to our level. That doesn’t mean other threats to humanity afterwards aren’t still threats. The witness is one being (though I know it’s made up of a whole civilization) our guardian or a fireteam of 6 can take care of 1 thing. However you put a full army in front of us and it doesn’t become that easy. We still haven’t cleared up all Red Legion loyalists in the system…
Well, we have various remaining foes that can pose a serious and credible threat, like: -The vex, who may seize the opportunity to finally bring their full forces and warriors to bear to ensure their version of the final shape -Any remaining disciples of the witness who may plot and plan to avenge their master -The remaining worm gods -The aphelion, extremely powerful, mysterious beasts that have trerrorized the galaxy for a long time
So my theory is, our Ghost in Final Shape is in a stated of Volatility meaning the Light inside of it is struggled to be contained (Why do you think Ghost is cracked and damaged with Light Shining through the crack?), If he leaves i believe he'll die from Volatility of the Light. Thus making us Mortal, our Death might happen after the Final Mission of the final chapter. As that one does look kinda Vexy. Plus where is our Grave located? Vex Network. Who found it? Osiris via Vex construct built by him called the Sundial.
i don't believe so tbh. i mean, we already GOT a new alien race in the witness and its minions, but I know what you mean. you want something like a whole new race of Tormentors/Subjugators, a whole race of those Lubraen-lookin guys.
I'm not sure how much the Neomuni can help with repopulation since they're all in the Cloud Ark, and removing them seems to be a hassle at the very least, if not impossible
Just like how there are distinct human factions, bear in mind that there are still splinter factions of our coalition allies. House Salvation, even discounting the Shadow Legion, Caiatl doesn't have full loyalty of the Cabal either, Sol Divisive and perhaps other, more potent Vex clusters out there, apparently at least one is gestalt enough to refer to itself as "I" and actually communicate to hold Neomuni children for ransom, Taken rallying behind one of their own with enough will to remain intact as we've seen with Riven. Then there's the possibility that threats need not be so external. Even if all Red's tech was destroyed, you think Clovis didn't keep the blueprints? We know he's steamed after Season of the Seraph, so he'll gladly take any chance he gets to avenge his ego. Mara always has plans and schemes, and we know from the Worm that some of them involve disposing of us. Her greater good may dictate betrayal at some point. Drifter may still have part of his bargain with the IX to fulfill. What that'd entail, I don't know. But, they're still very much a wild card to consider.
Destiny 2's current formula of empty patrol zones is not exciting,, resources are gone, public events are near meaningless outside of bounties and quest progress. Lost sectors are cool once and are then just rotating legend lost sectors, if strikes and seasonal activities are offensive operations then shouldn't patrol areas be host to defensive operations? we destroy a fallen or cabal drill but the enemy starship that dropped it gets away? I want Mythic public events, however many guardians vs the inside of a starship, we have 2 different seasons of boarding practice, lets use it.
I'm not sure how the story can go in a direction that feels like there's real stakes on the line assuming we beat the witness. A god of darkness that's capable of reshaping the entire universe and we kill them, what else would be left that we couldn't defeat? I'm interested to see how Bungie handles that.
When the witness will be out of the picture the vex will no doubt act on the situation even some of them are scared of the witness according to the mission where we get the lmg with nimbus. Now that the main threat that’s terrifying them will be out of the picture they may act and bring up there own final shape. Plus xivu arath is going to be needing to be taken care of and is no doubt furious at us, eris, and savathun from banishing her from her throne world causing her to be eaten away by her worm. Also the curse on the dreaming city still hasn’t been lifted yet after many attempts even taking out the source quria and trying to with savathun. Potentially since our fate lies beyond the system we can also have a chance at maybe retaking riis and helping the eliksni maybe even eramis if she sees what she’s done
I honestly wish I could think of something that could be interesting after The Witness, but with the way the narrative has been handled in lightfall and the last three seasons, I don't trust them to make a story worth playing. Like the Nine have a lot to offer, but if how they handled the Veil is any indicator of how that would go, I almost hope they don't touch them. And that's my concern: we aren't going to be getting much story where we, the mc, makes progress towards a goal or goals, we are just going to get lore padding about everything else in the universe that we witness.
I love your optimism...but many alliances fall apart when their common enemy is vanquished, and that happens even when they didn't start on opposing sides.
Another thing to consider: the lingering threats that would have cause to hate us, and thus, want to destroy us. Namely: Savathun and her brood, she’s more of a chaotic nuetral, as she has her own agenda, and indirectly saving humanity was just because she wanted to have the Traveler and stop the Witness. She’d planned to betray it for years. Xivu Arath, after having lost her Throneworld, may end up claiming Torobaital as the ground to make her final stand against us. For her, this may be a gamble: she either destroys the Guardians, and others, that go with Caital to reclaim Torrobaital, leaving Sol much weaker to invade, and gain tribute to survive. Or, she dies at Torrobaital, and we along with Caital, destroy her forces completely. This would cripple the Hive. Now being down to three worm gods, a few hundred sacattered broods, and one final Hive god who has no intention of serving the light or the sword Logic, but instead herself. This would leave the Hive much weaker, to the point they’d be closer to extinction. Fikrul is another remaining threat, if he regains control of most, or all, of the Scorn, and make more, after we kill the Witness, he could create his own House. Made from remnants of past and more recent dead Houses, but perhaps he could also claim the Wrathborn, after Xivu is killed. He’d have good reason to invade the City with hordes of Scorn. Only with a second Six Fronts, the Coalition could aid the Guardians. We would need to find a way to permanently end the Scorn; by finding a way to permanently kill Fikrul once and for all. Nezrec, I feel, could come back, and has the influence and power, for many to flock to his banner. Not just Psions, kind you, he could terrorize many Cabal, Elskni, Taken, Scorn, humans, awoken, exos, and maybe even Vex, to join his twisted cult of pain. Finally, there are the countless other Desciples, and loyalists forces of the Witness, as well as remaining Pyramids, that could carry out the Witness’ plans after it’s killed. There’s a chance it left its forces with contingency plans in case it died and the Final Shape failed to be enacted. There’s the remnants of the Shadow Legion, the Sol Devsive, and any Hive that would still be loyal to it. The Pyramids remaining afloat within Sol after the Witness’ death, would also be a threat. We would still need to figure out how to destroy them. Though we could use the pyramid tech to improve our defenses and make new tools and weapons to help our cause. Ultimately, I believe Sol will be mostly at peace. But, humanity and the Coalition as a whole, may not be able to rebuild and reclaim what was lost in the Collapse, until we’ve destroyed and routed our remaining enemies from Sol. The Witness’ death will create a power vacuum. Only after we’ve dealt with the remaining enemies after the war, will we be able to truly rebuild, and build our new Golden Age.
I think that a genuine reconquest of earth from the Vex and Hive would be a fantastic high stakes interlude, with TW out of the way following TFS it would be a good cooling off point and a tangible finish to the light and dark saga. The aftermath could be something similar to another golden age of expansion, maybe a step in a different direction with the gameplay formula of Destiny. Add some pvpve zones for clans to fight each other and third parties over. Make us take supply routes and stabilize regions of space. Actually utilize our ships and guardian powers outside of contained missions and patrols. Have the guardians get out there and cause some havoc with our new allies, but instead of as conquerors be liberators, establishing frontlines on every growing battlefields. I’ve loved the gunplay of Destiny since I played the D1 beta, and I love the gameplay loop but I honestly think that with the current weapon system, and state of classes it would lend itself to a more broad experience as an mmo. As it is we have all the grind with little to none of the QoL or payoff of a genuine mmo. Maybe I’m crazy but it sounds like fun to me.
Personally, I do NOT see Mara Sov as an ally, and I believe that she presents a greater threat than the Vex, Siva, or any of the other potential post Final Shape antagonists. For one, she speaks in more riddles and half truths than even Savathun. I do not believe a word of the Marasenna. In fact, having seen people speculate of the return of the Distributary Awoken, I personally don't believe they or the Distributary exist anymore. I think Mara genocided her own people to return to real space, and, being the powerful paracausal and psychic entity that she is, she has wiped that knowledge from those who followed her out. I do not trust her at all. She has NEVER been completely honest with us. Just as a reminder, she is powerful enough not only to retain some aspect of autonomy whilst being Taken (see Riven and Quria) but to reverse its effects entirely. No other entity in Destiny lore has ever accomplished this. She has formed her own Throne World. We have accounts from Eris of Mara single handedly taking out entire Pyramid ships through some paracausal power that even Eris can't even guess what it is. I believe she has been holding back this entire time, and we have just been the blissfully ignorant marionettes dancing on her strings.
Honestly I don't care. With how Bungie's treated us as customers and players as well as this franchise as a whole, I'm probably stepping off this ride after we turn the Witness into some exotic or something. I don't want to keep going through the wringer of Bungie making something meh, then making something terrible, only to be followed by them making something a bit above average or pretty good, then looping back around to the mid and bad. I'm tired of Bungie ignoring player feedback up until we're ready to set fire to their studios as a collective whole, then promising as usual that "we're listening," and "we'll do better, we haven't been living up to our standards," only for them to halfway follow through with their promises at best. I'm tired of the nickel and diming way they charge for the content of this game, and the shady pricing of their microtransactions. I'm tired of the writers contradicting established lore that defines this setting, expanded topics, or just fleshed out this world - just because they felt "restricted" (which makes little sense to me because constraints are what defines the shape of a thing, especially concepts and stories) and wanted to do their own thing or insert something they thought was neat despite it making little to no sense in the Destiny universe. TL;DR: Does it really matter where Destiny goes after we defeat the biggest, baddest villain? Not like it's been an amazing ride to be on this whole time, though we have had a few cool times here and there through the thick and thin. Sometimes you just need to know when a story should end. Not to say Destiny should or will end, as the setting is broad enough for many, many stories; Just that you need to know when your investment into a thing isn't paying off as much as you'd like any more, and it's time to cash out.
For me. As a player. Its full on retirement. Ive been playing since D1. Im seeing this through to the end. Finishing the story. Maxing out my gear. Maybe ill take a pic of my Guardian in its full gear and hang it up as a souvenir. Bc when i retire. I aint touching destiny ever again. Its been a fun ride. But a good man knows when its time to get off. Plus im getting married next year so i aint gonna have time for it anyways. Or the money lol
I wonder how Bungie will create a sense of chalange in the next saga of Destiny. As far as we know, us killing the Witness would make us the most powerfull being in the universe. How do we feel chalenged (from a story and lore point) if we are the most powerfull being in the universe?
There's also the Nine, we still know basically nothing about them, who knows if they were truly on our side or even neutral, for all we know they knew how powerful the Witness was and realized it was their only real threat, so they decided to befriend the enemy or their enemy, humanity, and once the Witness is gone they'll act, and it'll take a minimum of six people just to beat the Witness, which means it's at least 5x more powerful than any individual Guardian.
The witness is definitely gonna have to be taken out by more than 6 guardians. I see the witness potentially being a community raid boss probably 12 max so it gives the feeling of everyone needed to defeat them. Bungie did say the witness could solo riven with ease and it took 6 of us to defeat riven
"While I don't want to write the moon off entirely it might be a lost cause". Ok hear me out a minute.... what if we get every single warlock together and we Nova Bomb the moon?
Wouldn’t oryx also still be a threat his throne world still exists his body is on titan they could resurrect him if they so desired and the hive I believe have shown interest in doing so oryx was among some the most powerful beings in the Destiney universe with only I believe the witness and his decibels being able to beat him and us obviously but still a threat
Yea I honestly don’t really care what happens after final shape i think final shape is hopefully a good send off and i never have to look back, also why would i want to fight the same enemies for another 10 years im sorry but im good
I have a strange, off the wall theory; we are going to learn how to create wormholes from what the Witness has done to the Traveller. Using this we are going to return to Toronatl to evict the Hive, and possibly even recleam Riis.
Couldn't give less of a shit honestly. "You killed the closest thing to a true God in destiny now go back to fighting fodder" Yeah not really interesting at all
It would be cool if for a while its gonna be a breather arc in some way like your new job is to help clear earth and vist a lot of places we havent got a chance to see maybe even a clan base system like you build an outpost or colony or mabye we will finaly get a flat in the city but thats just me wanting some building mechanics and more earth exploration
these possibilities of how it may pan out and the logical problems to face are tantilizing but not enough to keep me playing, i will continue to listen through you but i know after the grand finale i and my brothers dont intend to pick up the game again
After final shape there is a new god that announces to the universe it is selling this universe off to the highest bidder in order to work on another universe called Marathon.
Bringing in the Awoken of the distributary would be an interesting story beat to fallow. Going to a true Vex controlled system, and seeing just how powerful they are, and maybe, just maybe get a subscription of them to be on our side.
Imagine if Rohan revives as a guardian and he can wield nanites as shown in the Generator Rex show and the Omega nanite can grant him a huge degree of control of Arc energy and control overpowered of Neomuna and Siva
From what I've seen in game and in Lore a lot of the Neo Muni view us as incredibly dangerous savages. I don't think they'll turn on us but I don't think they'll share their tech in any meaningful way.
I think Paracausality will be a topic in of itself. With the Witness gone, we’ll have more time to ponder the purpose of the Traveler and why we stick with it. With new info telling us that Light and Dark are the same and Clovis telling us we can amplify the light (or nullify it as we saw with Black Armory tech), we might even replicate the Light or Dark.
