Destiny 2 - Phantom's Thoughts on the State of Warlocks 

I want a Solar Aspect that brings back Divine Protection. The ability to convert our offensive Grenades into Healing Grenades on the fly would be a huge boon.

As a warlock main, i can just agree with everything you said. I feel the same way, we lost our identity and Bungie doesn't care at all.

I’m not a warlock main but I had a neat idea of the wandering tangle aspect that it would be cool if when you made a tangle it automatically just started flying around suspending, like the winterbite projectile. That might be op but something that made it feel more like a summon or enhanced tangle.

As an exclusive warlock player: Thank you for validating what I have felt about Warlocks for YEARS. Thanks to devour, Void 3.0 is the only subclass where I feel like I am actually empowered to get my hands dirty. Every other subclass involves fully meme-ing a single gimmick, conflicting incentives, and arbitrary limits. I chose Warlock because I wanted to be a goddamn space wizard, but I have been relegated to the role of a space babysitter. Even the newest exotics are designed for Warlocks to support with the trace rifle: mark targets to generate ammo for allies and give them woven mail. I'm tired of being forced to sit back and watch my friends have all the crazy fun with cool abilities and verb interactions. It's getting to the point where I'm simply not interested in reading patch notes, updates, and new exotics anymore. At this point, I am willing to give up Well of Radiance entirely if it means Devs will see Warlocks as actual players rather than glorified space bards.

As a lover of Stormcaller, only now that we have all these crazy artifact perks in Season of the Deep does it really feel like the best option for some encounters. Only pain point is survivability considering that rift is the only healing and the long cast animation on rift. That overshield on ionic trace pickup idea would be so nice, or any kind of update to help you stay alive really. I wish the artifact perks could be permanent fixes, at least one or two of them.

the way it seems to me lately is that warlock is extremely potent its just that you have to work 10x harder than the other classes to get there

I feel more like a summoner on arc with arc soul than on strand.

That’s how I felt since returning. The fact that others could do what some of what Warlock does stripped it of its class identity

Here to feed the algorithm beast so mlre people can see these truths. I've been a warlock main sense D1 like a lot of people here, and i do agree with you. I tend to take long breaks from the game as i really only play warlock and i wind up not having too much fun. Doesnt help that im a solo player aswell and i dont want to deal with lfg

i haven’t paid all that much attention to the state of warlocks for a while now, and being a warlock main myself i completely agree with everything you’ve covered.

1000% agree with this. I also am a warlock main and at this point I feel like Bungie specifically targets warlock to fit the use they want it to fit. It seems like in their mind warlocks should just be support for the other classes and that any attempt to allow warlocks to hold up on their own is a disservice to the other classes. Pure favoritism at its finest.

Warlock main since d1. Although I feel like stormcaller is in a somewhat good spot, I agree with you on dawnblade and strand. I just want it to go back the the good old days when I could train fire down from the sky on everyone. That table aspect needs to be completely scrapped and made into something to feed threadling generation, which also needs some type of an identity buff. I just feel like it gets lost in the whole suspend everything and shoot crowd.

New Arc-Warlock identity: Hold the W key The aspect Warlocls get: Stand in rift stationary to get arc soul buff

One of the things that I hate about how Bungie is handling warlocks, especially as a warlock main, is that we are treated as a support class and have not gotten even half decent offensive abilities. Shadebinder Super is really meant for crowd control, Storm caller super is steal relatively weak as crowd control, both version of Nova Bombs still falls short even after they received, Broodweiver is just a worse Nova that solely relies on threadlings damage, and well is a shell of its former self and is almost a requirement for endgame content because everything else is dog water poopoo. Additionally I am so tired of receiving exotics Armor that only enforces you play a supportive role instead of offensive. A great example is the new Season of the Deep exotic helmet that is meant for trace rifles, and I don’t have an issue….. at least for the trace rifle portion. Where I start to have an issue is that when you mark a priority target and YOUR ALLIES get the final blow on bosses or champions, THEY GET HEAVY AMMO…….. BUT THE USER DOESNT. LIKE REALLY??!!!!!!!!!! If that is not supportive I don’t know what is. It’s time for some more offensive exotics and aspects THAT ARENT BLAND AND LACKLUSTER IN UTILITY.

I think it would be cool if the swarmers doubled the amount of threadlings you could on top of what it already does

This video is sarcasm right? I mean warlocks are the best class, whether it’s sr, solo content or general end game content warlocks are the dominant choice.

I'd love a strand aspect that allows for different threadling units, maybe have it be something like a threadling has a chance to be a flying threadling unit that hits at range and can unravel targets, like an arc soul but it can fly around independently and doesn't just follow the player. Love that we have easier access to suspends now, but with the other 2 aspects being so unique, it does feel like we got the short end of the stick here.

First vid of yours I’ve watched, a Titan main (for transparency’s sake I guess?) I think it’s really easy for people to look at the uses of something like “top tree dawn” and say it’s broken because the 1% that play warlock and want to beat other classes on warlock HAVE to use it’s kit. Same thing for lightning surge cheese, etc. if you want to play warlock well you kinda only have 1 maybe 2 choices. You have a lot of good points and I hope people are able to look past the “warlock complain because they not titan/hunter” bullshit that most people pull.

If you watched the super damage test aztecross did, warlock supers are consistently at the bottom. I believe top warlock damage was 500-600 K, meanwhile titan has two supers breaking a million.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one that thought all this! Yah, bungle really needs to implement equilibrium throughout ALL classes. It’s not fair being one shot in pvp by both classes and not being able to one shot yourself. Unless I’m not equipping the right equipment… but I have 100 Resilience and I still feel underpowered!

They butchered warlocks, gave it's toolkit to titans and hunters, then gave us starfire protocol, and now they are taking it away by completely obliterating it. Sunbracers are going to be nerfed to since every starfire users are going to switch to it, even though it has existed for a long time. Maybe they'll get a season or two before being put down like the rest of warlocks exotic that are actually performing. As for the strand wanderer aspect, why not an aspect that actually generated a threadling every 5 sec while in combat or something like that. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that aspect but I know I'll never be using it. It's bad. Plain bad. I watched aztecross testing the damage of supers before season of the deep. Good thing I'm already dead inside and lost all hopes of using anything else but well ever again in pve, or I'd have had a heart attack. But hey, we got a better camera angle coming for daybreak. It's going to make it great again.... Guess I'll stick to osteo/necrotic on strand and hope it doesn't get the bullet next season. Which it will, let's not kid ourselves here. You'll use well, and watch on the side lines while hunters and titans have fun, and you'll be happy about it.

A note on Arc Warlock: If you focus on grenade spam(pulse is my favorite), ionic trace generation, and have a decent Fallen Sunstar you can effectively spam your grenade, rift, and for what it's worth your charged melee (the charged melee needs a LOT of help here). The super ability options just suck across the board and that is sad.

I started paying attention to Bungie's disdain for Warlocks when HH-Supernova was turned into a marshmallow tosser back in shadowkeep. I was so confused and surprised it woke me up. Void was the one Warlock class that I enjoyed playing because of the risk-reward loop, and HH-SN allowed me to compete with the other classes on an even field if I was careful. Ever since then, it's been a consistent series of disappointments for wanting to play my preferred fantasy. All my PvP activites force me to play Hunter to have fun OR be competitive. All my PvE activites force me to play Hunter or Titan, because if I am Warlock the only thing I hear over comms is "WHERE IS THE WELL? WHY CAN'T YOU JUST PLAY WELL? NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR DPS, I NEED A WELL!" Sorry, it's just not fun to be Well of Radiance and Div-bitch every encounter. In fact it's boring as hell. It's just sad man. Sad and frustrating.

You know what would have been cool for a perk with the name "wonderer" and have it still be about tangles? When you throw a tangle instead of exploding it becomes a roaming turret that shoots unravelling spikes like the melee (maybe it shoots in bursts like an ach soul) and lasts 20 seconds so you have time to make another tangle and pick it up to keep the loop going before it ends without having to go into the back end and change recharge times. Boom, I just made a better aspect with 4 or 5 minutes of thought than Bungie's design team apparently can...

Ever since i've started destiny 2, I've wanted to use warlock, and I main warlock. Recently I've tried other classes and I am starting to see how we warlocks are getting the short end of the stick.

as a main of all 3 classes who just plays whatever fits/is best warlocks are the best class for 90% of the game - Best dps - Best support - Best ad clear - (one of the) Best pvp subclasses - Fastest "class favouritism" isnt a thing, sometimes your favourite class wont be given as much love as other classes because they NEED that love to stay viable and keep up with warlocks tl;dr theres a reason that a lot of the best players play warlock:)

Geez im glad someone said this. Been a warlock main since D1beta. Ive been debating becoming a full time crayon eater. You sir have gained a new sub and supporter of all your content.❤

Watching warlocks complain about being """weak""" is like not eating for 4 months and then seeing a child throw a perfectly cooked delicious juicy steak onto a sidewalk and stomp on it because they didnt like it

What you said about having only the warlock being able to pick up the tangle, i AGREE! That should be OVERALL though. You don't create the tangle, you cant interact with it.

I’m not going to lie, I disagree a lot with the stuff you say here. Not going to touch too much on power fantasy because that’s kind of in the eyes of each individual player, but claiming that solar warlock was bad last year and that build creativity didn’t exist just isn’t true in my eyes. Warlock also has the best manoeuvrability in the game by FAR with heat rises and Icarus dash. You’re not incorrect with the fact that titans have movement on all subclasses, but shoulder charge doesn’t come close to the potency of what heat rises and Icarus dash can achieve. Warlocks have been the best class in the game since season 19, having probably the strongest strand subclass out of the 3 (though I do agree the 3rd aspect is lazy and boring), along with solar being without question the best subclass in the game. Void warlock also remains a top tier pick in a lot of content due to its ability to trigger player buffs very easily. Your statements on rift are also confusing, because healing rift is pretty clearly the best class ability for general gameplay now due to how ad dense encounters have become. Yes restoration can be produced on any class but having that ability on any subclass is super strong. Emp rift is also imo a little better than you make it out to be. Having an on demand damage bonus at any time without the need to interact (kill/damage) enemies to trigger is extremely strong. Your comments on exotics were also hit or miss for me. You mentioned Rain of fire was bad but I believe it to be an excellent exotic for damage phases due to the ability to reload and it works on solar which is your best subclass. I would agree with your statements that warlocks aren’t as potent in PvP as other classes, that is something we will have to wait and see how bungie decides to move forward with. You also make comments around the lack of build creativity with solar warlock on launch. 2 points to make here: firstly, these 2 builds were (and one still is!) the best in the game. Arc Titan in season 18 probably overtook it, but by season 19 it was normalised. Also, other classes did not have fantastic build variety either. Solar Titan had 1 build that was so much more potent than anything else, there was no reason not to use it, along with the build being probably the most mundane build in the game currently (syntho mini hammer Titan). No point in making this a battle of the classes but it’s not exactly like other classes got much else either. I think warlocks (after whatever the hotfix was) won the most from solar 3.0 by a rather significant margin. Your notes on well being on the cusp of being nerfed is also false, as bungie has stated that they have no intentions of touching well (I believe they said this mid season 20). I agree with you on the starfire nerf being too strong, but it was extremely overpowered, making titans and hunters feel obsolete in raids due to the insanely increased damage potential. Feel free to disagree, thought I’d give my 2 cents

I've always said this for warlock. Movement is their tool void has something that can be utilized AND turned into an aspect. The void blink from Nova warp can be directional blink binded to the same command as icarus with the same cooldown as Icarus. Either surpress or destabilize targets Ionic blink too. It would mostly be the blink animation bur on your screen you'll be able to have more direction with a jolt affect to nearby enemies If these get turned into aspects then movement on light subclasses will be fixed.

I haven't played for long, but recently got my hands on sunbracers, it def makes me feel like a space wizard I was meant to be.

Huh. Judging by the views and the comments, I guess I'm not crazy. At this point I am poised to lean into my personal, specific power fantasies for as long as I can until Final Shape.

As a warlock main, this may be one of the best videos I've ever seen critiquing how poorly warlocks have been treated in this game. Bungie claims they don't play favorites but it's pretty obvious they do. It's about time they start making some proper changes to our favorite space wizards.

As a warlock main, i hope Bungie will listen to this guy.

Preach brotha. You forgot to mention that we have the least dmg supers in all classes, maybe thats why everyone was on starfire to actually be able to do something useful during dps, bungie typically killed the solution while ignoring the problem.

Even though us Warlocks had a one shot Melee on Stormcaller in PvP, your hitbox would still be there when you activate the Melee ability while sliding across the floor, just like when you’re jumping with Blink on so a Shotgun or a Spike Grenade Launcher user can one shot you if they react fast enough

Welcome back, its 1 week until the final shape, and this video still gathers my thoughts perfectly. All of our aspects are turning into Summons, prismatic is almost entirely summons, with the exception of two aspects. Well has finally been nerfed after being the best super for a while (this is a good thing, but warlocks are not seeing enough compensation) Prismatic Warlock is very clearly to me, the weakest of the three classes. The two new exotic armor pieces arent too interesting. And the worst part is? Class favouritism is getting mad, especially with Titan. Banner of war had shipped, and Synthoceps did not receive any nerds for the longest time. Now, say this is nerfed with banner, at the exact same time as the release another pair of arms that is better for BoW than Synthos is. Every time a new subclass or whatnot releases for Warlock, I am always disapointed in what it grants me that is unique to the new classes. Am I being selfish for seeking something that the others dont get? Am I ungrateful because my class isnt "better"? I just want, ONE good content drop for my class, that really shakes up the class.

Dude is acting like hunters weren’t literally useless in pve from shadowkeep to the start of witch queen

I've been feeling this more and more, I like where the new strand aspect is going, but its incredibly weak and frustrating as it is now. Sunstar and osmiomancy are the only 2 new exotics that i actually use. Not to mention the newest exotic locking warlocks to use well and div basically permanently.

I am a 99% voidlock main. I am not terribly unhappy with void, but I do wish there was one change to secant filaments. When casting a rift when devour is active should add 5 seconds and refresh health, etc. For several months I justices it as it activated devour and it is in the text. Recently I finally added the fragment to my kit and to my surprise this refreshes devour when picking up a new orb or breach. If a simple fragment can the exotic should too. I do enjoy strand occasionally. A criticism there is that threading kills should always count as strand ability final blows which in my experience typically don't from perched.

They’re incredibly versatile and powerful for both crucible and pve. That’s it,that’s the truth,this video is a dude whining about how warlock has no identity. Stasis warlock=freeze everything Strand warlock=strand babies Void warlock=EXPLOSIONS and area control Arc warlock=movement and lighting all over the place(good but definitely needs reworks) Solar warlock=everything burns and explodes,all teammates heal. They’re still the only class with rifts and the best endgame abilities(except for arc warlocks)

As a primarily Titan player, when I played through Lightfall campaign on my Warlock there were legitimately some sections involving map traversal where I thought "Did the person designing this hate warlocks?" There are multiple platforming moments in the campaign that absolutely felt like someone during testing had gone like, "Mate you can't make this on a warlock..." and so they had to add that one random piece of geometry like a fuckin' wheelchair ramp that would allow the Warlocks to traverse areas Titans/Hunters could blow past without stopping.

how can you complain about warlock when they have been dps kings for the last 3 seasons with starfire, sunbracers, or rain of fire. warlocks also have fallen sunstar for arc and vertys brow being untouched in high dmg grenade spam in a full team seems kinda biased to me as a warlock main

> Mantle Harmony bad > Assembler Bad Oof. Off to a bad start >Fails to mention that Warlock Witch Queen Exotics are untouched while both Hunter and Titan Exotics were hit. 🤔 > Arc and Solar 3.0 were lackluster for Warlocks Left unsaid: “…Please ignore Touch of Flame, and Amplified buffing Arc souls” > Rain of Fire Bad > Sunstar Bad > “… Well ok, they are good, but only in “”””Very specific circumstances””””” I don’t even know what to say to this. Lunafactions is only useful for very specific circumstances, yet it is a top pick. Cuirass is only useful for once every few minutes Just because something is niche doesn’t make it not potent. >Architect was supposed to be a summoner class. It’s ok in that regard, but why not point out that it does suspend on a a similar level as Titan? >Icarus dash is the only warlock movement ability? Skating and blink? > Rift isn’t potent because other things do the same thing. Stasis can build a wall with crystals, does that make Titan Barricade useless. Rift is supposed to be a way to create a mini power position. Disappointed in the video

Instead of spawning 3 threadlings the rift should spawn either DIFFERENT/BIGGER threadlings OR maybe make it look like a portal into the ground where they spawn. Good for pve and not pvp which is what they want. Also since swarmers are useless because the melee ability does the same thing they should give us a better melee. Arc if they wanna make it movement based im fine with it..... Give us movement abilities. A tp version of icarus dash would be cool. Maybe make it so when were amplified you take less damage. Hell, a icarus dash for ALL the subclasses would be good so we actually get movement. and for the rifts we should do this healing (depends on subclass) procs verbs "devour, cure, woven mail etc" emp (d o subclass also) procs (volt bullets, void bullets, sever shots etc) making them USEFULL for synergy and Endgame. Void is in a good place tbh in my opinion. Im just always forced to well on endgame yk. solar was covered in the video well arc is ass..... the seasonal aspecs make it usefull strand just needs the buffs i said and mr freeze needs a rework on all classes

As a warlock, all I do is get to a corner and pop a rift then move to the next corner and pop another rift. In a close quarters fight, there is zero escapability or finesse in the kit. Give warlocks actual mage abilities. Let me create a wall of fire, or summon hurricanes that shoves enemies or throw their aim off, or steal enemy abilities and use it against them (transcending subclasses), or have more control over neutral gameplay like devouring a grenade increases swiftness or ability uptime etc like we kinda used to have before 3.0. The power fantasy is just not there. We aren’t the vampires that void promises, or the hurricane that arc promises, etc. On top of all that, all our main attributes were given to other characters or completely removed, like floating with a solar grenade, converting it to a healing grenade, activating devour by consuming a grenade, bottom tree dawnblade completely removed etc.

As a Rain of Fire user, the exotic is quite potent with Mythoclast. It's one of the easiest ways to gain Radiant, which in turn leaves room for you to spec into Restoration and Benevolence to buff others and feed into ability regen. With how often the Osteo + Necro Grips gets thrown around for being meta, Necro Grips itself isn't that big of a boost over plain Osteo. Osteo + Grips is really only strong for trash clear, while the RoF + Mythoclast unlocks a very tanky, versatile (and supportive, even) ability generation kit that's not normally attributed to the Solar subclass.

As someone that doesn’t play Warlock, I think y’all’s abilities are awesome and I wish they were OP. Especially the one called “Well of Radiance”. Now could you please go cast that so we can start damage phase?

I consider warlock my main but play all 3 classes and it's hard to not notice how any content with a power cap is suddenly considerably more difficult whenever I get on the lock. With how much time that's been wasted on gathering stat gear and ornaments for the warlock I'd honestly rather just quit than swap mains. You know it's bad when even the sunken cost fallacy can't reel you back in.

Idk if you remember this but Icurus Dash already had a nerf. Which makes the cries for nerfs to it insane.

R.I.P starfire warlocks

Ok you made some good points but I gotta step in here on one thing: Fallen Sunstar is not “useless” that is 100% cap. It’s easily the best exotic for arc warlocks AINEC (geomags with buffed chaos reach is probably a contender now too) The only way I could see you thinking it’s useless is if you never used it. It’s benefits should be apparent especially if you use it with Coldheart Rain of Fire is a little gimmicky yes but don’t discount how valuable it is to be able to instantly reload things like rockets/GLs/xenophage by using an air dodge with basically no cooldown

After being a warlock main now since dark below… I have seen a lot of rises and falls with the class. Dawnblade was in a decent spot, but still a bit under appreciated up until Solar 3.0 mainly due to dawn chorus giving bottom tree dawnblade some more viability in end game/raids. I remember all the nerfs we had to our abilities, and all my friends wonder why I’m mad at how warlocks are in the game now. They are maining Titan and Hunter, but the one guy they have always on warlock (me) is mad that I only have one clear choice to run in any activity being Well. I wish I could run other supers, but they aren’t in a spot to be used over well. As was stated, all of the exotics lately have been niche exotics. Match your subclass with this to get increased damage, or use your air dodge to reload weapons… where Hunters get Star Eater’s that is a huge super buff, and titans get Falling Star for their best super for burst damage. We have been shafted repeatedly, yet the other classes don’t seem to understand how much we have been over the years. Removing our identity and trying to force us to be more gun focused like hunters, and they wonder why more warlocks are moving to Hunter. We don’t have an identity, we don’t have any variety in our gear. Especially now with the new helmet being for trace rifles. Bungie is pretty much saying “You’re the one using div and well, deal with it.” It isn’t fair to us warlocks to have to sit back while titans can grenade spam better than us, and hunters can have obscene damage numbers. But our best super without any artifact mods is still bottom of the board in general. Bungie needs to reassess what it is to be a warlock. We were not the gun fighters, or the close quarter shooters. We were the ability users that could heal our allies with a grenade, the ones that could always have uptime on our devour melee, the ones that could set the world on fire… now we have none of that as a class. Titans and Hunters do it better after all.

As a former warlock Main turned titan main I agree with alot of what you said, but the idea that warlocks don't have easy access to one hit melee in crucible is ridiculous considering you definitely know more about warlocks than me. MOST warlock melees are one hit without aspects or fragments. hunters have 2, and titans have two. But for titans it requires you to charge it up making you vulnerable or use an aspect to make it a longer slide-melee which is effectively a 2 tap.

I was a Titan main in Destiny 1. Play more hunter and some warlock during those days. Warlocks were PvP feared. Just for their supers. Back when supers were strong like they should be. Now you get hit with a melee and die. Which is another topic entirely. Destiny 2 I continued with Titan main. I was already seeing nerfs happening to the Warlock class, but I didn’t realize just how bad until I switch to a Warlock main with Witch Queen. Like I’ve stated I’ve played all three classes since Destiny 1, but when you main a class you hone in on its weaknesses and strengths. Warlocks are supposed to be like Mages and Wizards. Casting spells and summoning stuff. Warlocks are definitely more about abilities. When you limit that with the art of gunplay you take away its identity. One such example is Rifts. Rifts are a joke among Warlocks. You have a better chance if you run than put down a Rift. This is PvP and PvE. You can regain health just as fast outside of it as in it. Animation is so long in this faster pace Destiny you will die before you put it down and it does no benefit right away so you’ll die anyways even if you survive putting it down. Nerfing things like this that take away from the identity of the class. It’s like taking away Hunter’s dodge or Titan’s barricade. Starfire Protocol’s TYPE of nerf was uncalled for! It’s utterly useless against a boss now. Not only is the regeneration rate completely drove in ground, but the verbiage of the exotic changed from “damage” to “kills”. Warlocks already have an exotic for that attached to Well. It’s Phoenix Protocol! I used that build before Starfire Protocol. Starfire became a viable option because Solar 3.0 and fusion grenade dp output. This is what a Warlock is suppose to do! That’s why you want a warlock to come along. For that maximum survivability and dps. One change I would wish to come true a Rift and/or Well that moves with your character. More so the Rift. Increase the survivability with Rift as well. Now we’re talking.

Bruh - Your whole rift speech is and has been my biggest gripe on Locks! 5K hours as a Warlock main in PvE and PvP.

Almost a year later, and the state of Warlocks is shittier than before.

Prior solar 3.0 we also had the ability to make ennemies affected by our abilities explode, which is not possible anymore as they just gave everyone ignitions, and we once again lost our advantage because we are the worst class to make ignition happen.

Funny how titans will get the occasional mid exotic like lancecap and obscene damage from winterbite+synthos nerfed and go "titans shafted yet again, convinced most bungie employees are warlock mains"

It's kind sad that Bungie don't stay true to the identity of the warlock class.

as weak as i think warlocks have gotten (outside of a couple outliers like well and needlestorm) you are INSANE if you think warlocks have the weakest movement

ive been saying since theyve been out. if they want to make promethiun spur actually useful. just let us have both effects of rift. your idea is much better tho

I dont main Warlock, but it always bugged me why we were stealing stuff from Warlocks. Ionic traces. healing grenades, even devour. Despite all of those being helpful in endgame content, its still very unfair to the Warlocks. Sometimes I wonder why they preach ip defining subclasses when half of them steal tools from an original subclasses defining trait. If they really wanted to go that route, they'd keep the subclass verbs, but have every subclass in the game have their own unique verbs that only they could produce. Sidenote: the times I do play Warlock, its on an Arclock. I wish i wasn't forced into the ip of w+m1 because thats just arc titans trait. Aren't they supposed to be "the flow of a current"

I really like Shadebinder since chaining freezing is so easy and powerful for battlefield control, and the new aspect on warlock basically gives you a shackle grenade every 15 seconds on top of whatever other grenade you want to use which I think is pretty fun. Otherwise, I agree with just about everything else you talked about, there should be more ways to spawn more threadlings, threadlings need a buff, Shadeboi needs a shatter aspect (maybe rework frost pulse to freeze targets *and* shatter already frozen targets), and I think arc needs needs a rework, and the other light subclasses could use a small buff. I like the amount of ignitions you can get with solar but the easily refundable melee on the other classes makes solarlock feel weak, and voidlock is super fun but underpowered compared to the others now that devour is so easy to proc on every class. I love the idea of an elemental well to replace the empowering rift, but it'd be out done on arc by the joltshot perk on weapons. I think warlock should have aspects that would give them keyword abilities to buff their weapons like scorch shots while radiant, blinding rounds when amplified, or weakening rounds when devour activates, all to play into the idea of being a space wizard and feeling like you're casting spells on your enemies.

just a suggestion but i think we should get a hive magic class for all subclasses for example give warlocks the ability to summon thralls on the death of enemies and the grenades being poison over time the titan getting a hive knight shield and sword as a roaming super and the tip of the sword spreads poison and the hunter getting a blade barrage type super but it being knives that emit poison over time like thorn or osteo

My main issue with the state of warlocks is that they don't feel unique. Devour lock use to be my favorite subclass, but once it was given to everyone, warlocks lost that uniqueness, and what did they get in return? Child of the old gods. Not a horrible ability, but is basically useless in pve, as there is a million other ways to apply weaken, and is just a mild nuisance in pvp. Then i enjoyed making my grenades into healing grenades for my team. That combined with Phoenix dive allowed me to play as aggressively as the other classes, while also being able to support my team mates. That all came to an end when they put a MASSIVE cooldown on pheonix dive, and made healing grenades their own seperate grenade, thus taking away from the utility that the warlock use to offer. After that, i enjoyed the fact that arc allowed us to be very effective at ad clear, as we could chain the electricity to nearby enemy's. Following the previous trend, this ability was given to every class, and the thing warlocks got in return was an ability that doesn't deal enough damage while simultaneously putting you directly in the danger zone. Additionally, if you wanted a more dps style build on arc warlock, you might consider using chaos reach, but you'd be mistaken. The amount of damage you do just can't be justified to take over any other dps warlock build. The recent change was nice, but the duration needs to be extended to allow for some semblance of aim correction without missing out on a massive chuck of damage. All in all, i just want the warlock to feel unique again, rather than the generic class (with the exception of well of radiance)

As someone who initially fell in love with Warlock for Stormcaller’s ability to be a lightning slinging mage, raining down lightning nonstop on my enemies, thanks to Arc Web, it hurt so much to see the ability regeneration aspect of the class be gutted to only work in low level content where you can oneshot everything. Now Bungie has made it clear that Stormcaller is going to be relegated to being the “boring passive shoulder turret” class, since they’ve decided the only thing they’re going to buff about Stormcaller is the Arc Souls. I was never that interested in them before 3.0, but now I hate them with a burning passion because Bungie has decided they’re going to become the only identity of a once great storm-mage subclass. Also it’s unbelievably annoying to get one slapped on you if you’re on any other class or even Warlock subclass, cuz they steal all your kills and stop your build from working. Also I know they’re finally buffing the joke supers now, and while that’ll be nice, it’s still a cruel joke that Arc 3.0 was supposed to be about charging forward and survivability, but they took Transcendence from us, instead of just giving us 2 Stormtrances, like how we have 2 Nova Bombs. One should’ve had Landfall, and the other should’ve had Transcendence.

remember bungie just doesnt really want you to have a power fantasy in a mmo. thats why everything scales and you dont really feel any growth (especially with the hidden debuff of your light level on neomuna)

What are your thoughts on the exotic eye of another world may I ask?

Titans do not have a 1 hit kill melee (Excluding aspects). For blocking damage behind barricades. No, fire still damages through the shield. Explosive damage + vortex type damage damages through the barricade.

One issue I have as a stasis warlock is when other people kill my frozen targets. There are some builds that require me to get the kill on frozen targets to keep my build rolling. If they added assists to counting for both stasis and strand we could really get some amazing team play. Imagine making a suspending tangle across the map that your teammates can use on an unstoppable. And gives you a buff or resets the tangle CD when used! If they want us to be support, then make supporting the meta that also makes us do as much damage as the other classes.

As a warlock main of 7 years, had my fair share of complaining, have to disagree with you on the beyond light stuff. Love boots of the assembler, use them all the time, synergies with solar are crazy

While I disagree with some of your takes with Witch Queens exotics, Warlocks used to be *the* neutral game class. Their ability loop spam made up for their middling supers, but with light 3.0 and ability nerfs (to up Bungie's playtime metrics for gun grinding), Warlocks are easily the least powerful outside of Well of Radiance. I might unironically switch to Titan because they are undoubtedly the strongest class in the game.

Hold up hold up. I still want ball of lightning sliding into a ball of lightning and releasing a barrage of arc energy is absolutely pleasing

warlock is good though ? its got decent exotic variation, (which honestly, no class has good variation in exotic picks in higher end activities) and has strong survivability outside of solar class. If you find yourself saying warlock is super underpowered either learn to build w mods or just stop sucking so bad. Its ok to not be the best at a game but don't blame it on a class that was meta not too long ago

I disagree with the Fallen Sunstar comment. I Started the season with this exotic, and without any mods from the Seasonal Relic, i was able to Hold myself pretty well on the new Dungeon. My Arsenal is not dificcult to obtain neither is THE META for Arc. Fallen Sunstar just helps a lot you to Spam your Abilities as a Arc Warlock (...Which is the point of the Exotic, in my opinion. Just like Contraverse Hold is a Exotic to Spam your Granade all the time.).

warlock has been the best class in the game in PvP and PvE for years, brother you're bitching about being brought down to the average.

you hit the fucking nail on the head. SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK BABY

This video:... Meanwhile in reality: Top tier PvP and PvE builds are almost all Warlock, I have at least one Lock if not two in every Nightfall I run, and I haven't seen a Gambit run with more than one Titan in ages. Snap builds are literally the fastest, best Lost Sector speedrun builds. I mean the list is lengthy for why Warlocks are not hurting in the slightest. Yet I still hear all the bitching. If this were a Titan rant I'd be here for you. But this is a rant that equates to "Wah! We've got the best builds but everyone copied our Meta in Subclass 3.0 update!"

Thabk you finally spmeone acknowledges the problems. Im void warlock main, everything that makes us special was shared with the other subclasses. Blink. Blink has been terrible since d1. I love the blink abiloty, but what i do hate is getting killed from where i blinked from. The scattered granade, we have nothing manacles for the granade to "track", but in reality they just explote with each other. Unlike the TITAN scatter granade with volitile witch makes them deadlier than the warlocks granades. Please make that make sense

Ah yes a warlock only player who has no idea how to play warlock complains that warlock is bad despite being the best class for over 2 years because he doesnt know how to play it. A normal day on destiny youtube

As a hunter main I still agree with your opinions on the state that warlocks are in because when I play warlock I can even tell that the class is in a bad sate right now. The unfortunate reality of both Warlock and Hunter is that both classes get in points of being really good from new exotics, changes to damage with offensive subclasses, etc. the main problem seems to be that once either class gets something useful someone from another class that may not understand why certain changes or new gear that might not be as useful and is finally useful because of a buff and then complain about how "OP" it is when in reality it's just a tad bit more useful. I really hope bungie fixes warlock as it's an extremly fun class to play.

10000000% agree with you and I have been saying this for a long time! I was thinking about doing the same exact video. Every time warlocks get something good all the hunter's and titans cry until it is nerf'd into the ground.

As a warlock main, I want to see some changes to the other classes that would let me stay on my stasis, or arc, or what ever loadouts without having complaints about not being on well. my fireteam / clan mates who play titan or hunter will just go, yeah, ill use [flavour of the month] loadout, meanwhile if I say, yeah, im gonna run stasis... nooo you have to use w3l11l1lll111!111. If I tell the titan to use Void Bastion build they have a winge, I dont like void!!! I need my sunspots or suspends!

I agree with everything in this video except for calling fallen sunstar disappointing. Its easily an A tier exotic if not S tier. Lets you spam all your abilities on cooldown even in grandmasters and it provides support to teammates too.

This reminds me of when BADAZZ gaming did a long rant vid right around when they took geomags trait and shortly after the 12 man chaos reach raids.

Imma be real as only warlock player every exotic you listed besides manacles are all very good and not just niche mantle is tier 4 dps boost rain of fire is hunter insta reload and free radiant uptime assembler is great for rift uptime and just support in general sunstar is unlimited abilities

You know what I miss in destiny? Class focused grenades and class unique abilities. In D1, only arc hunter could get invis on demand, it was a cool perk, and void got dodge, and solar got gun buffs (since it was the "gunslinger" class). Since every class and subclass was unique, you had to learn how to play with each one and adjust your play style. But now, it feels like I'm playing the same subclass with a different color. I miss people relying on the titan for bubble, or waiting for the thether guy to do his thing, also the warlocks who saved the whole raid team by reving themselves before the wipe. As much as I hated the lack of content, D1 was a way better game. Not to mention the exotics felt like exotics. There's a reason why you could only equip two at a time. Now it feels like nothing would change even if you had all slots filled with them 😂

I disagree with arc being weak in high end, arc stormcaller with crown or even without as long as you focus on ionic traces, can get you repeated rifts and stormcaller has great damage resist. That on top of spamming grenades let’s it be very good at add clear and survivability on top of being able to stun champs with jolt. Also amplified arc souls are great.

Warlock to me has less been about ability spam.and more about interesting ability based gameplay loops. Warloxks just haven't felt special since 3.0 launched and it is such an effort to get something that truely feels special for warlocks in pretty much any game mode.

Ain't NO FUCKING WAY lil bro is crying and thinks the most op class is weak 😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀

I still haven’t forgiven them for Eternity’s Edge.

unfortunately, most of the buffs that you suggest will never happen :/

As a warlock main I agree with you on most parts but I also agree with anyone who says nerf well because I am scared to go into raids and stuff because people will say “can you run well” or on lfg’s saying looking for wellock it’s annoying I want to play strand because I have a build that annihilates bosses and entire rooms of ads and yet I have to run well because it’s the meta also just a side note the wanderer aspect while not great is really fun just to fly around with and skip entire jump puzzles because there was one or two ads

Nah I want my double dash back! I hate eating my grenade to move better.

Here's an idea off the top of my head, what if we had a way to pull the tangles to us instead of going after them? Often in the middle of enemies? Maybe a secondary grapple that pulls enemies or tangles to you. That would be a boon to titans to get woven mail and to warlocks using the wanderer so they can actually get the bloody things without putting themselves at risk.

felt overshadowed by my friends just suspending everything before I can throw my tangles to do just that with the new warlock strand aspect

Titans missing 15% of shoulder charge on a miss is justafied

as im listening to this... i feel the vast majority of this is either copium or skill issue. literally. the thing about warlock movement is entirely incorrect. warlock jump is the only jump that preserves momentum and allows you to... yknow "glide". combined with an eager edge sword, you can go faster than most any players in the game. Sure, youre having to waste your heavy slot, but even then, using burst glide, you actually get a, yknow, burst of momentum to your movement. I dont really know what you were talking about this this entire thing but its entirely false. The whole section about niche exotic armor pieces... yea... thats quite literally what the vast majority of exotics are. This isnt a warlock exclusive thing, EVERY class has boring, nothingburger exotics. I literally dont have a titan character, 2 hunters and 1 warlock, so i cant speak for titan, but for hunters: kucklhead radar, kephris, shinobus, ahamkara grasps, raiden flux, these are just some of the MANY mid ass, niche exotic armor pieces. Again, this is not a warlock exclusive problem like you seem to make it out to be. In terms of the... dying while casting your rift... well for 1 make your resilience stat more than 80 lol. and, protip, dont cast your damn rift when youre 1 hp. Cast it behind cover. This is probably the most skill issue thing in this video. On the subject of it being the worst class ability, i also would feel thats massively incorrect. Like you said, it gives you healing on demand. Aside from void hunter invis, what the hell does hunter dodge do? either reloads your weapon or gives you your melee ability back if you dodge near enemies. I find myself literally just having it as a failsafe as i mostly use solar hunter with a calibans build, so if i miss my knife, i have my dodge to give me another. aside from that, dodge does quite literally nothing. As warlock, slap on vesper of radius, or the recently buffed sanguine alchemy, your rift becomes SO MUCH MORE powerful. On the subject of aspects, I fully agree with you, BUT AGAIN, this is not a warlock exclusive thing. Again, cant speak for titans, but quite literally the only viable build on arc hunter is the very dull punch dodge punch dodge punch dodge punch dodge build, and thats it, arc hunter has fuckall. strand hunter is in a pretty dull state right now as well, the only thing you can really go for is sixth cyote (i think i dont remember what it is) that gives you a second dodge charge, only so you can just suspend dive over and over. thats very dull as well, and its really the only thing strand has. stasis hunter is in a VERY dull spot, its got basically nothing going for it. Again, i fully agree that subclasses need another thorough sweep and update to bring some up to speed, but with this entire video, you make it sound like its a warlock exclusive problem, its not. On the subject of supers, yes this is the first part of the video where i 100% agree with you, warlock supers are pretty lacking. well is basically the only viable one when it comes to things like raids. slowva and maybe that strand blade barrage copycat is about your only decent alternatives, but everything else is falling behind. so, i mean tl;dr, most of your issues you bring up are somewhat valid, but you present them in a way that makes it seems theyre warlock exclusive issues, when thats entirely incorrect. everything else is either, like i said, copium or skill issue.