Destiny 2 - Why Bungie Doesn't Care 

Hahaha, yeah right.

But how will Bungie justify their prices and the amount of content they put out if an endless amount of free content is being made from players? They would never do this because they can't find a way to charge for this. Unless they lock assets that could be used behind an expansion. I don't believe Bungie will ever do something like community made content on a larger scale if it can't be monetized. Case and point, they are taking community art work for weapon skins that can be sold in their cash shop. That stuff can be monetized, not content made in their own forge.

How about restoration and improvements to the old tower where you can add interactive screens that play cutscenes and have leader boards on high ranking players in PvP and including an guardian walk of fame honoring legendary players and an actual statue of Cayde that the community was asking for instead of an mediocre plaque by Zavala. And an memorial of players who passed away in recent years there I fixed the tower right there.

Justin is the tipical corporate douchbag. look how good GTV5 is with FiveM and mods, that game is old af

Can you put tranquility in the background

You’re not wrong. Bungie would be upstaged within just a few months. The same thing happened with Custom Zombies and treyarch, even when treyarch was at the top of their game with black ops 3 zombies.

@@NovemberHotel bumgie would be upstaged within the first week knowing the community

Bungie have been humiliated on countless occasions, they stopped posting on their own app. I do not condone humiliation they received, however, they do deserve hard, well constructed criticism.

Only because Bungie has their community on life support, wait till we get to a point where Bungie as a company starts dying!

Bungie doesn't need the community to be humiliated, they are perfectly competent to that level to do it themselves.

A Bungie dev admitted not to long ago that when it comes to Destiny 2 don't expect anything that they're making quantity content and not quality content because there's no point in doing so since players would buy regardless. They can make SRL for example RN but why spend the money on making that gamemode when they can easily release a season with reskined weapons with a decent story.

sure, but tell me any game that has as much quality AND quantity as destiny.

@laetafinis8438 you mean quantity and quantity. Which a Bungie Dev said they're doing. If you mean repeating horde mode ( 9,000 ), reskin weapons and basically copying what made a weapon unique rather it be exotic or a legendary exclusive to a Raid/dungeon just to find out a weapon exactly like it is gonna be in the season pass making the grind pointless, is quality content you are insanely high. Bungie got lucky with Destiny bc ppl were patient and more forgiving, but make another yr 1 of Destiny that flops Destiny will die. Look at Anthem it died day 1, Division 1, and then 2 that is on life support. The reason why there are no games like Destiny is bc they all fail and bc Destiny is just simple and easy to get into.

@@NullUserException1 Final Fantasy XIV

@@valzicplayz3845 so you're saying that destiny has no quality? did you miss my point entirely? quantity cant be anything without quality, so the fact that destiny's doing so good means that there must be enough quality to compensate, at least. also reskins arent the end of the world. work is work, it takes work and it takes money and it takes resources and it takes time. making a completely new unique weapon, unique model, unique functionality, for 23 weapons per season, would take SO MUCH WORK. its currently unachievable for the destiny team to get that, with the rescources, money, work, and time that are available to them. stop being spoiled little brats, unless you want bungie to remove seasons entirely.

ok sonic fanboy

@@NullUserException1 sorry you missed out on the golden age of gaming.

@@thelatenttalent3362 ok sonic fanboy fanboy

@@NullUserException1 Sorry but I predate that too as in old enough to be your dad sonny boy. Nice try though. Here's a participation trophy your generation needs to feel important. 🏆

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I always wanted an Exotic Fiesta mode like in Halo - each respawn gives you a random exotic weapon in each slot. Instead, we get modes taken away rather than added.

Making potential subclass and exotic buffs/reworks would be nice. Like testing if arrivals 600 autos could return in the current meta or something.

@@hordikaman3872 THIS

I thought Crucible labs would be more interesting as well. Instead, it’s them tweaking weapon damage a few points or adjusting ability timers, or making the control point take one second longer to cap. So dumd.

We could just use examples in Bungie's own games such as Zombies and the different race tracks and surviving the obstacle courses. Those were such popular mods in Halo 2, that they added the forge system to 3 and made a lot of stuff, such as Zombies, official game modes.

Even just being able to play the game as it was in Arrivals would be amazing

It's important to remember that the majority of the people at Bungie are not the ones who worked there in the early years.

@@beardbreeder5886 That’s true in the development end (probably explains why the game is in such a bad place) I think the Bungie executives are mainly OG’s though; they’re the ones responsible for screwing Marty which makes the situation even sadder.

@@beardbreeder5886 that's very true. Matter of fact, guys like Joe Staton, went back to Halo. And while that game has a lot of issues too, trying to be a live service game, a lot of the same growing pains that Destiny 1 went through, I have faith in Joe Staton. And I do like Joe Blackburn, he's much better than Luke Smith. But, I still feel like the higher-ups don't care about the actual game and the players. They only care about maximizing profits.

Yup

@@beardbreeder5886 The funny part is, there are a lot of the og/Halo Bungie devs at the studio still to this day. I think we often forget that people do change with time and success... and in this case for the worse. If anything, nowadays i would trust more in the young talent at Bungie who probably have a lot more creative energy and want to do something great, than the 'old guard' that very clearly don't want to make quality games anymore and just care about profit.

Yeah exactly. Not the devs faults who want to make a good game, rather the executives and higher ups restricting what they can do for FOMO and microtransactions cash.

They already don't update pvp, so allowing us to create our own maps and gamemodes would brig more updates to pvp than ever before

This season litteraly make pvp even worst than before, having a Forge like system will improve it by billion

Do what I do, Stopped playing D2 a few months back, and honestly it sucked at the beginning but, now I'm at a state that listening to D2 players' complaints makes me feel good about my decision, Currently I'm hooked on God of War, Grand turismo, Forza Horizon 5, GTA Online, MW2, Assassin's creed (Odyssey > Valhalla) *Bonus* to scratch that Destiny 2 itch Black ops 4 or Cold War (Zombies)

Try Borderlands

Warframe

@They own you, if you're in debt. cope

funnny considering what a piece of hot garbage Lightfall is

Look it’s either everyone stops at playing for a month (impossible) or some one literally threatening them not to bullshit their fans

@@eotwkdp That kind of "digital terrorism" may be necessary going forward. I hope someone has the balls. It certainly won't be me.

@@liamcdm3689onestly at this point I think a angry mob at bungies HQ would be the only way for bungie to open there fricken eyes to us. They Litterly flat out said they don’t care about us and just want the money. And they even force some workers not to overachieve because they wanna give us garbage quantity aka the same thing instead of actual good quality like forsaken

@@eotwkdp I mean everyone almost stopped playing by the end of last season. And rightfully so the game was in a terrible spot. And it’s still in a pretty rough spot

​@@liamcdm3689that's kind of based

Eater of worlds - The Sol Divisive invade the leviathan in an attempt to take control of it for the Witness. Spire of Stars - Rhe Shadow Legion invade the leviathan and attempt to destroy it after the Sol Divisive failed in the previous attack.

Facts exactly

They claimed they have plans after Final Shape.

@@bumponalog5001 right. Destiny is a money printing machine for bungie they aren’t going to stop with The Final Shape.

They already confirmed another 10 year plan post Final Shape

@@shade7327robably bare minimum. They’ll keep Destiny going as long as it has a population and revenue coming in, but I doubt they’ll put much effort into it. I don’t think Bungie even likes Destiny anymore. They always complain about it like a frustrated marriage. Since D1. It caused them nothing but grief and headache. They lost a lot of talent after D1. They couldn’t even figure out what they wanted the game to be. JJ could barely explain what he wanted to JStaten when criticizing the original draft. They’re barely figuring it out now. After they broke their partnership with Activision, they had to continue with Destiny. They had no other choice. Now that they are owned by Sony, they’re chasing other game concepts. The new Marathon game is an extraction shooter. No story needed. No cutscenes. No complex scripting. Just a free for all like Tarkov but with Destiny-style fashion microtransactions. You know why they with split Activision? They claimed to make Activision $1 billion in revenue from Eververse alone. They wanted that money for themselves. They were going to publish pay2win mobile games in China, where microtransactions are popular p2w is culturally accepted. That dream fell apart when the CCP waged war on gaming, calling it “poison for the soul”. So they went with Sony. Their new games all involve concepts for reliance on microtransactions. Maybe not pay2win, but they’re chasing that “free to play” simple games type of market.

When you intentionally tell your devs not to make anything cool because it would set expectations too high…that’s a problem!

did you not have responsible parents as a child? have you ever heard the phrase "gambling not good"?

would you rsther A: try and get your money from gambling B: try and get your money by getting a job?

fucking hell, dont even get me STARTED on dev burnout. and before you say it, yeah, devs can get self inflicted burnout. ANYONE can get self inflicted burnout. ive experienced it myself.

@Daniel Medford then what's the solution?

Could you elaborate a little bit?

@@STR0BEV Subclass 2.0 took away the customization we had back in d1. 3.0 took away abilities we shouldn't have lost like nightstalker bottoms trees Combat Provisions, Heart of the Pack, bottom tree dawnblade, bottom tree gunslingers practice makes perfect perk, and probably many more for titan subclasses. Another issue with 3.0 is the fact there's so much homogenization. Everyone has easy access to weaken, scorch, ignition, restoration, radiant, jolt, amplified, and ionic traces. There's no subclass identity for most subclasses now.

@@AxisChurchDevotee I agree. Lightfall streamlined everything...excessively.

I believe solutions are what we all should be discussing for everything in our lives!

@@NovemberHotel correct is right brother keep up the good work

@@NovemberHotel true but you can't fix bungie. They have love for the community.

I think it would happen, but certainly not with a big dev. It happen with a smaller studio. Bigger studios care too much about making a profit than making a quality game.

If D3 happens at some point, Bungie needs to take the Tiger Engine to the garbage. The engine launched along with D1 in 2014 and it started development in 2008 (!!!), it isn't meant to handle a game of D2's actual scale with modern graphics, it has got to a similar point Call Of Duty reached in CoD WWII and Black Ops 4, where they WANTED to make a complex game with gorgeous graphics but the thing was just falling apart on launch, but we know what we will get with Destiny, Bungie won't do anything

as an already retired CoD player (just got tired with Modern Warfare II) and moved to Destiny last month already completing the expansion campaigns it is sad to find the same problems CoD had not so long ago.

@@JARKOV33 If we ever do get a D3, dedicated servers is something we need for proper PvP.

The problem with them adding something like custom games is that the game is purely peer to peer. Its not on a server which was what Halo was on. I mean wheres all the maps gonna go when its made?

That's a weak excuse, FF14 and it's engine has existed since the PS3 era

"me when the fuck"

Who would guess Activision actually kept them in check somehow, huh?

@@gudgurl Yeah that could be the case. Now they are probably held at gunpoint thinking they need to make quick easy bucks to not go bankrupt. GG.

i appreciate the kind words. i'm a firm believer in the idea that games can STILL give us those moments of awe and wonder. Most recently Elden Ring has done that for me, and i've been playing Souls Games since 2011 so i knew sort of what to expect, yet i was still blown away. Companies and Developers that care about their games have no problem selling it to an audience. But some companies are just really good at creating addicting FOMO designed games. Destiny 2 as it stands right now, acts like a mobile game in every possible way. I don't think things will change if i'm being honest, despite my hope that they would.

I think bungie is planning on milking the game until the end of final shape and then leaving it to die. Theyre making as much money as possible with as little effort as possible so they can prepare to kill the game and make new ip’s that, HOPEFULLY, they actually put effort into.

@@prstechnic1774 I’m back from lightfall and oof it is bad, they are definitely milking it

whats new? have ya seen literally any mega corporation?

@@NullUserException1 Fromsoftware respect his players

Honestly get a life lmao

Source trust me bro

@@davesmith8851 don’t need a source when you can look at a companies actions and come to the same conclusion.

@@Austin-cr5zo Not to mention they lock threads/temp ban people on their forums who bring up the fact they ignore every issue that isn't topical if that issue affects men or the military. Those people get banned for "politics" or "hate speech" but *they'll* rave all damn day about a group of child groomers and how they need support.

@@ForeverLaxx that’s facts too that’s a major reason I stopped playing and caring, plus the dip in quality of the game and having better things to do that I actually get something out of compared to destiny 2. Like the original comment said, they should worry more about making a good game instead of adding politically written characters or banners or whatever else to the game.

please do some research on why they may be justified on that matter.

@@NullUserException1 What other kind of research would you want after what I witnessed for the duration of D2 existence, reddit, patch notes, hidden changes, ViDoc, Twitter, streamers, drama, etc....???

@@undifinder6643 Don't bother. That person has been going into nearly every comment thread to run defense for Bungie. You can't reason with a shill.

Self-hating white people are the worst. Not at all surprised Bungie has one leading the charge

woahhb there bucko, slow down. we were already given a sneak peak at how the development process works from the GDC. what youd be doing here, intended or not, is killing destiny before it even got a chance.

@@NullUserException1good. People should be refunding there orders if there not happy with how the game is. Why should we keep giving bungie our money if we’re not happy?? Bungie won’t change if we don’t do something

@@NullUserException1 I hope that's sarcasm. Because if not. You're a clown 🤡

@@mayhem-2889 "good"

Thanks bro!

@@NovemberHotel Exactly, loved your content as well. New sub.

it would not be financially benificial for bungie to give the sunset expansions away for free. and even if they did it, it would slow the updates of the main experience down considerably, because theyd have to keep up with bugfixes etc. tldr; reintroducing sunset content is high cost/high risk, low reward.

Yeah its not good for their wallet. Once final shape is over the game will go one of two ways: itll die, or bungie will add a “forever proof” thing like forge mode or upgrading the engine and bring all content and story from d1 and bringing all the stuff from the dcv into the game

Yes I’ve been keeping my eye on that project. Very excited to see it come to fruition.

A Map Editors would destroy the game because of Cheeses and trashy unpolished maps