Live Service Ruined Gaming 

The gamer basically becomes the beta tester (which they tend to pay for in different ways), and this is one of a few reasons why I've stepped away from a lot of gaming. Most of these game companies are totally disrespectful of our time and money.

Gaming is dead... And we killed itm

If people weren't brain-dead consumers, it wouldn't have happened

​​@@panzer00Why can't we just give up on gaming and start over?

@polarfrost. because it's corporate. You could support indie games and there are a few "AAA" development teams out there who don't psychologically manipulate their players but they make singleplayer games.

Yeah same her, especially with destiny 2. I remember spending months grinding for the recluse and mountaintop just for me to take a break at the end of the season and coming back to them being absolutely useless. I uninstalled immediately and haven't come back, best decision I've ever made

Fuckkk lmao if you waste your time playing keep up with battle passes and events you need to stop asap. Don't let that shit dictate your life. Games are supposed to be a hobby not a lifestyle

That is literally how I gave up Fortnite. I missed some battle pass challenges, locking me out of content so I just up and quit out of frustration. I've been actively avoiding games with FOMO content ever since.

so true, i quit destiny 2 in 2020 and never bothered going back

I started Destiny 2 in 2020 and stopped Destiny 2 in 2020. Game is a fucking time trap

Except 90% of games are still single player mainly

This comment is really hitting home. Because it's 100 % true. In recent years, the single player part of many games has been dumbed down more and more in order to invest more time and money in the multiplayer/live service. A good single-player game exists forever. A live service game is only good until the servers are shut down...

​@@mathewhosier9739With a very good chunk of them requiring an internet connection in order to play even though it's single player...... Where I live the cheapest internet plan is over a $150.... Imagine having to spend a $150 subscription fee to play a single player game....

Idunno. The "novelty" of "not getting slammed from behind while youre choked" is still really fresh and easy to imagine. Pandora's Box works both ways, basically.

Then we should show the new generation that good games that doesn't need to spend so much money exists. Me and my little brother play many indie games, we have plenty of fun out of Terraria, Minecraft, Gungeon or even Muck. And there's are more out there that we still don't have time to play them yet. I'm also told him that for many battle pass that he had spent on Fortnite, he could have dozens of games to play on his PC.

Maybe it's the norm for AAA multiplayer games, but I stopped playing these types of trash games when I grew hair on my you know what, it's time to grow up and start playing AA and indie single player games, where there are no live service games and no microtransactions

But then you'll miss all the cool stuff

​@@dustinduzgames1276 Cool stuff 😂

Buying what...these bitches free😂

Hasn't stopped remasters and remakes from trying.

Look into getting a miyoo mini or rg35xx

What you want a remaster of 10 year old game with MTX and delisting the original release?

@@Juicepepper I would love to get a rg35xx or a mini. Currently I do a lot of gaming on the steam deck and have my retro collection backed up on there

Don't tempt them...

And that's the real problem. Sure a lot of use hate it, but there are enough people willing to buy shit in games that it's not going anywhere.

Just refunded Diablo 4. It looked alright, but it has oblivion's leveling system, a battlepass, and all the other bells and whistles.

The people speaking out against the business model usually aren’t the same ones buying into it.

It’s clearly not the same group of gamers doing both.

But it IS okay! Mouthbreathing “gamers” will preorder a special edition for $120 all from a TRAILER lol the consumer base is completely braindead and these companies have no respect for them. All we need to do to change this shit is stop buying ANY games at launch and wait for a few months or even a year for all the fixes and whatever. But it’ll never happen because videogame consumers are weakminded idiots that play defense for the corporations that look down on them.

Me too, no Ubisoft, Activision, Blizzard etc. let them bleed money only language they understand.

We need to restart again

"another" crash? What was the first one?

@@kocurro14 I think it was mainly a thing in the US but in 1983, the video game market was being flooded with so many poor quality products that sales were at an all time low to the point where people that video games were a fad. It wasn’t until the NES that video games found an audience again in the US

If you go into some social media gaming threads and rag on a game, these addicts will come out of the woodwork to attack you. They act like a cult and cults use psychological manipulation to keep them trapped.

very few people unfortunately

Some people enjoy it ig

@@awehy3993 *"Some people enjoy it ig"* Cocaine?

It’s not an addiction issue, it’s an intelligence issue. People are just stupid.

Mindless consumer redditors will make sure it never crashes, they pre order everything

​@@ChickenJoe-tq6xdtake this from a ex heavy redditor, redditors love to use the word normies, and, in gaming love to complain about companies releading broken videogames. but they eathier defend the company, prooving they are the real normies, or preorder a digital gamecopy and then somehow complain how AAA games suck

Lightfall was originally supposed to be the last expansion for Destiny’s Light and Dark saga. But then they decided to “split” it into two parts and announced The Final Shape expansion before they even launched Lightfall. Dangling the carrot indeed.

Bro that sounds like a damn conspiracy😂

@@revan5293on the other hand when people said Eververse would make Destiny into a microtransaction hellscape it was also dismissed as a “conspiracy” and look at where we’ve ended up.

It’s not a loyalty test. It’s what they already know to be true. They bragged about it in last year’s summer games fest.

Marathon is going to be even worse. Recycled story, no campaign, no complex scripting, no additional features, just a giant rumble match. I say this as a Marathon fan.

Hmmmm....what are the most successful live service games currently 🤔🤔🤔

It frustrates me SO MUCH that after all these years they still do not understand what gamers want

@@Noname-ol8efprobably destiny 2 or fortnite

​@@mrmonsterhunter808implying that Destiny 2 mtxs are consumer friendly, lmao

@@mrmonsterhunter808 destiny 2 is anything but consumer friendly

Rock and Stone brother

i was looking for this comment. would have written it myself otherwise. rock and stone

After 3K hours in destiny 2 I finally gave DRG a chance and it’s a breath of fresh air. Best fps co-op game I’ve played in years.

Monster hunter is also live service and fantastic

​​@-pressxtostart-o ne of the OGs, too. You had online play on the PS2 Edit: and, here in the future, you also have online play for most of the Gen 2 games (Freedom Unite was the only PSP release to get this kind of mod support, and after playing it I can see why)

But those are the same people still buying them now, they are addicted and say exactly what a drug user would say “it’s just coke, not heroin” type comments

The guys freaking out about horse armor in Oblivion were fucking seers.

Agreed. Even if it's just cosmetic, your overall gameplay experience is still affected when everyone is parading around in cool skins but you're stuck with a basic, default skin you can't change because it's the only free skin. Speaking of which, free customisation options/skins have basically become an afterthought now which is an apalling standard to be setting

@@kaminsod4077 i remember when that "dlc" came out and remember everbody i knew laugh about it like "who the hell is going to buy that for a single player game" and yet here we are in the presents, where dlcs are mandatory to have the full game experience but also get pricier by time. Paradox are king of this shit, looking at the money i spend on ck3, stellaris etc with all the "main" dlcs adding new core components otherwise not accessible while AI can use them. And ofc i have a job now and i dont mind it its still a hobby but i can imagine kids these days feeling left out and begging their parents for money to be cool with the other kids its kinda fcked up.

It’s called “gambling” my friend.

Battlebit is so awesome. Been loving even the progression system to unlock things. Lot of fun

They should release a basic cash system where you can buy the guns that already exist in the game. Simple. People who can’t grind and want a groza can buy a groza for $20, everyone else can fairly grind for it at the same rate as currently exists. It would net them quite a bit of cash and would be a fun change. What else? I’d pay $20 for a zombie mode. The game could definitely support such a system. Battle royale would also be fun, even if it’s a tiny bit derivative.

@@Diax1324 No. It was created to go against just that type of person. Casuals who don't try - need not apply.

​@Diax1324 you sound like the problem, if you don't have time then don't play

@@bigfoot9049 I'm the problem by suggesting a basic cashflow that doesn't alter the game in any way whatsoever or give certain players benefits unavailable to those who work for them? Yeah, no idiot. This is how DLC/transactions used to work. You could buy the same stuff that you could work for if you were either too lazy or didn't have enough time. With a balanced weaponset, it doesn't matter if a level 1 player has a Groza.

That's kinda become my personal take on life. We were told that all these services were here to 'serve' us. But actually they're here to serve themselves. We're all living in a marketing bubble that only benefits people who want to mess with our heads for money, and the only way out is to walk away. Talk to people. Make a conscious effort to watch and play things you normally wouldn't. Make an effort to do things you normally wouldn't, not because an advertisement told you to, but because you were walking past the beach/park and said 'hey that looks fun'. Heck, it's even lowered stress my stress about games. If some game comes out and it's good, then great, I'll pick it up eventually. If it's garbage, I don't feel animosity towards all the people who worked on it.

I get what you mean, recently I played ESO but thankfully without the subscription so I can just walk away whenever I find something else. But the game lured me into daily pledges which is basically just rushing through two dungeons selected at random for increased experience/champion points. Instead I should be playing the main/zone quests at my own slower pace and soloing their dungeon for more story and challenge. Much less efficient XP wise but the EXPERIENCE is more important than the experience points. Insidious live service.

FACTS this is the reason why I quitted on ALL live service games this year and never come back, ever since 2018 I was spending all my time playing live service games so bad I couldn't finish many games like spiderman, RDR2, TLOU and so many amazing single players games, it's literally cancer that spreads on the gaming industry

​​@@doomslayer8985 same thing here, last year finally quit wow for good and league ranked grind, came back to dark souls 1-3 and sekiro and then elden ring come out and everything is going better even in my life not just in gaming, bro this live service games shit is a cancer that want the time of your life to make money

Great advice

Yeah, happened to me with Dead By Daylight. Buy the battle pass and it turns into a second job trying to unlock all the cosmetics!

Why I first stopped playing destiny 2

@@MrDeadlyProtocall what would be nice is if you completed the "battle pass" in dbd you had the chance to earn it for free and the paid one just means you get those cosmetics over the same amount of time but dont need to do that last step. that way its not ridiculous and people who enjoy the game still have a nice progression system while the whales can still buy it and just do their thing

@@offline2807 that’s true. But completing that free battle pass will take up so much free time

@@MrDeadlyProtocall true but so does most free progression in old games. the difference is at least you wont have to pay for it now and in dbd some skins do come back. so its not the worst

Only the indies can kill live service. The -AAA- FFF companies are aware of that, and they want nothing more than to kill the indie industry so that they're the only ball game in town, take it or leave it... ...but what if too many gamers decide to leave, and join the legacy/classic fan-base, and that fan-base starts to get bigger, thanks to gamers who missed out on the fun because they were way too young when those games hit the store shelves?

@@CookyMonzta Even small studios that become big like with Super Meat Boy are becoming money grubbing.

"Surely watching people who made videos on such games didn't add to it its not my fault it's the devs" 💀

​@Mornings NPC tier response.

valve on their way to ruin the industry

I agree. Since 2015, the only game I've put any time into is csgo, which I guess is a live service, but done right imo. I did get MW2 at launch, but quit playing after a month, nothing to do or unlock. Black ops 2 was the last one I played, and ffs what happened lmao

i hope so too. I fear the commercialism and monetization of games will only worsen with time though. I don’t think there’s no going back to what we had after these companies have realized how much profit they can pull by not trying at all.

Loved BO1. New content was always worth it.

Yea FPS had fallen off so hard that I'm not even interested in shooter games anymore, Armored Core 6 will be my first one in years

@@lileofficial4273 Armored core 6 looks really interesting, I'm actually excited to see a somewhat promising looking game.

I don’t blame a lot of them though, as was said in the video, these games are designed from the ground up to take advantage of peoples mentality and squeeze as much out of them as possible. I’ve spent more than I’d like to think about on certain games. That was a few years ago though, I’ve since stepped away from most of the games I used to play, and stick to indie, old classics and fighting games.

I spent $10 on Minecraft, and $15 on Halo Infinite cat ears. The cat ears are my first and last microtransaction.

@@henryfleischer404Don’t worry, cat ears are very important and you are 100% justified in your expenses

_I hardly every rob old ladies, it's crazy that people do it so much._

I've hardly ever given money to a camgirl

So true that game made you feel like a badass for completing a raid and earning that badass looking armour and weapons destiny 2 doesnt have that feeling because the best armour is locked behind a paywall

SAME. When I was a wee new light, I gazed upon the super dripped out gaurdians in the tower and was entranced. I had to get that armor.

That's why I kinda hate how succesful gaming has become. Imagine how good AAA games would've been if we old school gamers were still the majority...

I think they just need to find a good balance between content and microtransactions. Its just never going away by this point. Also a majority of paying gamers are older because we the ones with money to throw away, so some games are always going to try to do some whaling on us. I don't think people have problems with in game purchases as long as the quality and quantity of the content is there. Its when the content falters that you get irritated at the cash store.

True, current gaming is catering to the massive boom of Gen Z (2005+) that arrived in millions for Fortnite, Among Us, Minecraft and so on. Most have never experienced pre-2019 gaming, unless it was particularly popular (like Zelda BOTW).

I stepped away from Triple A games a long time ago. And there are many worthwile games out there that arent trying to shake you down at every turn. Its not all doom and gloom. (ok for the AAA scene it is)

There were a lot of shit games back then too

Enter Guild Wars 2 - buy once and play forever, no lvl/"light"/gear cap increases, play as much or as little as you want, no pay-to-win

Halo Infinite burned me out from the whole damn franchise. Acutally, let me rephrase that, it burned me from wanting to play on my Xbox! WORST $60 I ever spent for a preorder.

yea just go play team fortress 2 or something, dont need to spend a dollar to have thousands of hours of fun

Try dragon dogma which has really good combat and also try divinity original sin 2 which has really good writing and roleplaying

Stopped playing COD after 18 years cause Cold War was last old school game. No real need to grind there and zombies were super fun. Working through a long backlog and enjoying stories and old games I missed.

2023 has been one of the best years for single player, AA and indie titles, stop playing AAA trash and broaden your horizons

@@mathewhosier9739 lol

it can be hard to see modern games as casual innocent fun - once you have seen it for what it is, even just once.

It's even worse. Developers, especially mobile developers, will harvest your data and perform AB tests to figure out how to manipulate you into spending more or watching more ads. The companies will tell themselves they are doing the data collection to better player experience. But really, it's to better harvest money from you.

“from a player to a payer.” that’s a fitting mantra for these money hungry CEO’s that are running the industry into the ground with their monetized garbage. I’m only in my early 20’s and i’m old enough to remember when games were different. growing up playing games in the sixth and seventh console generation was such a blessing man. we really were so spoiled, games were obviously about making profit to them then too, but at least then it seemed like they gave a damn. like these fuckin’ companies don’t even bother to make cool stylized manuel’s anymore, now they’re selling physical editions with no discs at all?? the fuck happened. the art/entertainment form is dying, physical media is dying. no one wants to take a risk anymore and rather settle for easy profit with no effort. very hard to stomach it all after growing up seeing so many great games and films being released

Same, honestly. Like yeah I'm glad I'm aware of this tomfuckery that's being done in the industry. But it changed my perception on all games so hard that I can't even see solid games in a good light anymore unless it's way too old for the nonsense to be applicable to it. Any new game release, even indie titles, I'm skeptical as all hell about them, with my list of games I follow but don't buy growing larger and larger, and larger unable to decide wether I want to get it or not because "it could end up bad" or "they are definitely gonna try and milk me out of cash". Even games like Deep Rock Galactic which is amazingly good, I spent years till I finally decided to buy it because of all the skepticism I had about it.

@@ItsBoyRed Especially with skill based or engagement optimized matchmaking which makes it impossible to feel like you're getting better. I'm a multi Master player in Apex and before they had SBMM I used to get 10+ kills each match and win 25% of my matches. Once SBMM was introduced in season 3 it went downhill and it's at its worst now. My KD hovers around 1 now whereas it used to be around 3 a few seasons ago. Every match I'm fighting top 750 players included pro players who play with their friends. I haven't won a single match in 50 games this season. Add to that getting paired with low level teammates, bad servers and bugs that don't get fixed in years and I've legit lost my appetite to play anymore. I'm just looking to buy a racing wheel and play some racing games. Oh, and one game which does everything right IMHO is Trackmania. They stayed true to their core throughout.

Yeah many of my favourite Games like Destiny, ARK and Battlefield became dogshit tbh. Now I'm just playing WoW since months again

Dark era for Multiplayer. But 2023 has perhaps the greatest lineup of Single Player games in a single year. RE4 Dead Space FF16 Tears of the Kingdom Hi-Fi Rush And the best thing is the greatest game of the year hasn’t even been released yet: STARFIELD

​@@Rainbowhawk1993I just wanted to detract from your comment a little, the dead space remake is unplayably unoptimized and stutters constantly which detracts from the experience heavily and has been abandoned by EA

@@Rainbowhawk1993 Not to rain on your parade, but I think that's likely a bit hyperbolic. Two remakes, a decent jrpg, a glorified expansion pack, and an admittedly pretty neat passion project show gaming still has a pulse but is nothing to write home about. 2011 had: Skyrim, Batman: Arkham city, Mass effect 2, Dead space 2, Portal 2, Limbo, Bastion and more. I think it's easy to forget we used to get genuinely great games with more regularity than we have in recent years. Very hyped for starfield tho. I need todd to save the games industry

Pre-2016 was the golden era. I'd argue you'd get more value from a old Xbox 360 and buying hundreds games dirt cheap than getting the newest gen console. I bought a Gameboy with every game on it and 200+ fan-made Pokemon games, it's great (Advanced Wars & Pokemon Gold Sigma are incredible btw).

Because none of these gen z clowns have the guts to boycott a game like us OG gamers do.

Gen z does this for a lot of different things and parts of life that a even just a decade ago we’re much better in quality and passion. Like why stick up for something that could be much better? Gets on my nerves.

Spot on.

Couldn't have said it any better pal, the way that the industry is moving and how most ppl nowadays buy those marketing strategies is just heading towards a stray path

Look, don't dog on Gen z, a lot of Gen z kids are KIDS. BUT I get what you're saying. I want to love Destiny 2 so much but, I just can't.

Few hours a day is a lot for a 36 year old.

lol

Man I'm 23 and wish I had a few hours every day to grind games. With classes and work it's more like a few hours every couple days.

Pssst Monster hunter

I would suggest the gym as an alternative? You get the exact same enjoyment out of old school gaming. + all the actual real benefits like health, body composition, mental health and people genuinely treat you better when you’re in shape..

Exactly

Not even sure I agree. Those season passes have a ridiculous amount of creative cosmetics in them. If you want an example of how creativity is dying, look towards remasters and remakes. Nothing like selling $60 copies of a game you made 15 years ago!

​@@nickthompson1812Don't try to detract from the main issue 😂

No. John Q Normie-Gamer got brainwashed by the enormous PR onslaught these pubs and devs orchestrated and now thinks eating their own poop increases their K/D. Deprogramming people that thoroughly compromised is extremely difficult, especially when they're still exposed to the people who did it in the first place.

No, it is not the users' fault. It's the laws that allow this to happen.

@@Azarilh It's a bit of a chicken of the egg honestly. Because everything that's happened to gaming isn't unique to gaming. It's a microcosm of how marketing is used to manipulate us. It's like gambling addiction, people know it's wrong, that it's hurting them, and yet they still can't easily stop and might even lash out at someone trying to cut off the dopamine drip.

@@Azarilh It is a combination of various factors tbh. Lack of regulation (your point), rise of greed for publishers, and loss in passion from players (OP's point) are just the major ones that are noticed.

If the solution is 'vote with your wallet' then the issue is doomed.

Thats the goal i think

Yeah. It's always cool to see a channel change and grow

Please Blow Up 😂

Complaining?

@@StrengthOfSamson45😂

Define should be free.....

@@ziebus904 halo infinite and the armor color blue. A cosmetic option that was free and available day 1 for every previous title of that series.

@@trevorbarrows8446 so...a 1skin....

Yes, they do, but unfortunately, there are way too many that are okay with these terrible live service tactics,greed,loot boxes, and all the other garbage that comes with it.

I have unfortunately bought some when the game was seemingly getting better. I do wish we went back to that d1 formula. It was released unfinished but it was for reasons other than laziness, it was an internal problem so not really anybodys fault other than the ones who pulled the plug on the original story and build. But the formula was good and it was fun when it got going. Full paid dlcs like house of wolves, taken king and rise or iron are amazing and actually deliver. Plus the occasional free updates were awesome. Too bad we won't get anything like that for a while and maybe not even from bungie. I'm not too trusting on marathon and I'm really hoping for a reboot of destiny honestly. Its not an optimistic future for one of my favourite games.

I got destiny 2 for free and I still feel scammed....

And worst of all, these corpo cock-sucking drones get the publicity, mostly thanks to some youtubers being whales themselves or having severe case of sunk cost fallacy enforcing the belief that this kind of bullcrap we're getting is _fine_

I completely agree. The games I play the most and buy these days are mostly games that have been launched years ago. Stuff like the Witcher games, GTAIV, CS:GO, Undertale, Cities Skylines, Risk of Rain, Batman Arkham series, Borderlands series, Castle Crashers, the Half Life games, Lego games, Star Wars Jedi Knight, Empire At War. Full games that are already good and have been good for years.

yup, same deal here. I've gone back and started playing on Private Servers of a certain MMORPG as well(because it's current retail iteration is not what the game truly is meant to be played like. Still a solid game in Retail, but far too solo focused.). It's sad we have to go back just to be satisfied with a product/genre. Indie games I personally don't care for as much as a lot of 'em(not all) are still stuck in that 8-bit/retro era due to various reasons and I grew outta liking that style of game long ago.

Some few of us are still sitting by the campfire playing OOT but we aren't welcoming anyone back 😂 y'all made the choice to suck EA now deal with the aftermath

100% agree on this

Just letting you know, paying for in game bling is probably the biggest waste of money I can think of. Might as well light it on fire, the fire might be prettier!

It's truly a hell of our own creation.

Wow that’s crazy really does suck and glad I never spent any money on Overwatch 2

Uh I think the stigma behind Balenciaga is more than it’s overpriced 😳

I think you need to find some new friends

They're not really friends then, how can they call you an elitist? It's not like you're gatekeeping the game, you're just suggesting not to buy a skin. So unfair on you, you need new friends or they need to treat you better.

The AA scene releases many surprisingly awesome titles, but the problem there is AA is dying in numbers. Indies don't catch the attention of the wider AAA market because they're not big enough to be a bother, but AA studios quickly get bought out by AAA publishers because they threaten to become another big player on the market if they see too much success. This is why we see stuff happening like microsoft buying minecraft when it gets too big. Minecraft, originally an indie made by one guy, which grew into a decently sized AA studio, and is now under the handling of one of the biggest corporations on the planet...

I appreciate that! 🤙🏼

@@NovemberHotel Never seen a video of yours until now.. apparently an old destiny channel venturing away from the game? Might be a bit of a dangerous take for someone looking to make money on youtube, but i wouldn't put the blame on corporations. What do they exist for? To make money.. and that's what they are doing. I personally place the blame on the players. The market sets the standards, what they will and won't buy, and you hit that in your video with the mcdonalds reference. In some ways you did point the finger at players, but it was a bit too relaxed if you ask me. Have to feed your family and such.. want to get away from your old 9 to 5.. i don't know you.. but i get it. My approach would've been a hellscape of blame on the playerbase and ideally even defending the actions of these companies, making sure it's apparent of whom i'm burning into a ground lol. That all said, I've given up on modern gaming for the most part. Looking forward to Fires of Rubicon.. and while we can all hate some of nintendos actions around their property rights, I can't remember the last time nintendo got burned for a bad game release (that said, i haven't touched nintendo in ages). Other then that, i mostly just play oldschool games, speedrun a couple of them, and indie games. What i guess i wanna say is.. hats off to ya for leaving destiny even when it is what your channel was founded upon. I'll give you a sub, to try and help the transition and look forward to the next thing ya do :).

@@SepticTank53 it is easy to blame consumers when you don’t realize the psychological manipulation done by companies to elicit people buying microtransactions and season passes. Companies exist to make money, not to psychologically manipulate its customers into buying nonsense. That is scummy and is rightfully being called out.

@@nickthompson1812 AAA companies have hired psychologists to assist in maximizing this manipulation you speak of into various game systems to help with maximizing profits. I DO realize it, and it's further reason why i stress people not buying games from these companies in the first place. It is the consumers fault for taking that first step. The marketing itself is psychological, but so is literally everything companies do in and outside of gaming to try and get a sell. It's why supermarkets put the cheap individual candies at the line to checkout, for that impulse buy, that social perception of the woman who won't buy her child that hershey's bar for $1.. it's all intentional psychological manipulation. Consumers educate themselves and learn about these things, and those that do often can resist it. With gaming, transactions (they aren't micro anymore) and season passes and the psychological manipulations that go with them.. none of that will effect the person if they just take the logical first step of not buying into a game until after reviews, and doing their research on the game when all the info is out. I don't buy games with premium currency's or any form of transactions outside expansive dlc. Other people could learn to do that to.. it's not like it leads to throwing away the hobby.. plenty of good dev studios in the indie space. Last note.. i agree that stuff is scummy, but calling it out does little to nothing. It's the whole reason i give my rants in these comments, even tho I honestly think AAA is beyond saving at this point, and that people will just continue to buy crap and complain. A company exists to make money, and responding the way we all hope for is less effective at making money then continuing what they are doing.

Idk. I have an adverse reaction. Games that focus on becoming a platform for mods tend to suck vanilla because they expect modders to finish the game for them. Starfield. As much as I love it, Bannerlord. Modding should not be a top priority. Putting out a finished game that people love and are willing to invest time in to create mods should be top priority.

@@nickthompson1812 Bethesda is a very very special case. They've always been lazy bastards since Fallout 3 even. If a game is great without mods, it'll be even better with mod compatibility. The ones who actively try to suppress mods on the other hand are far more likely to be garbage because they're going to try to SELL you what you could have gotten for free anyway in this climate.

Just look at No Man's Sky vs a AAA title like Battlefield 2042, for example. The content difference is staggering!

Yup. It likely isn't on purpose all the time, but god damn it if it doesn't feel like youtubers shilling out for this shit are in touch with the companies behind the microtransactions slop with a crappy underdelivered game stitched to it.

Its the 1% that spend a lot of money on the micro-transactions. The live-service model is literally surviving on and catering to them

Just fuck live service shit, play the games you enjoy. :)

Only like 10% of modern games are live service, stop playing AAA multiplayer trash shooters, there are plenty of great single player, AA and indie games with zero microtransactions

Hey, fair nuff If you ever consider coming back, I would wholeheartedly recommend looking into emulation A 20 year old dead game can't really be predatory lol

The thing I personally find negative about this "realism" is that it has come at the cost of game mechanics and depth (physics being an easy example). So many of these releases are almost like a museum item behind glass - look but do not touch because it might break.

​@@nightmarepotato5000this is why Valve is still praised after 25 Years. because they don't do this type of bullshit. As Gabe-N Once Said: "I don't prioritize Realism in games because Realism does not equal Fun, and i play games for Fun."

I just won't buy a game from somebody who tells me that, PERIOD. I don't have time to go on some bs journey to get a working game. Glad I never got into destiny

New characters/skins now are worthless. Not just because games are absolutely swamped by literally hundreds of them, but also because if you have enough money, you can easily buy it, just like that. It's meaningless. No story behind getting it that makes it feel rewarding or special. When you see someone with a cool character, there's no appreciation for the hard work put into getting it, because there is none. And even if you grind to get a character (which is almost always an afterthought and a chore), there's nothing to show for your hard work because someone could click a couple buttons and just buy the exact same character with no effort.

you should check out Zortch. it's a shooter inspired by fps games of the late 90s and early 2000s. it's fun and has a pretty cool grimy aesthetic to it.

I blame that on gamers not knowing any better since that's most likely all they know.

Gamers are the main ones to blame for the state of the industry l. Never foget gatekeeping is a great thing

I'd like to hear who actually said this. Cause when people wanted more out of a game, usually that meant they wanted a sequel.

The brainwashing has taken hold.

To be fair, older games with full modding suport, do what live service came in shouting it's gonna do, way better, because it's players doing whatever they want for whoever wants to try it. Be it from something as simple as a level editor for a singleplayer game to custom community servers in a multiplayer game. If a game gives players the tools to continue on their own, the game will live on, on it's own for however long the players deem fit. And at this point asking for a live service game to allow modding even slightly would be like asking the company itself to politely remove their microtransactions. Never gonna happen at this point.

Thank you bro will do! 🤙🏼

I was going to finish off the saga but I dont think I will. I'm a d1 vet and its a shame what it has become. I really hope Starfeild succeeds because games are just no fun these days.

@@ehschargers6510it breaks my heart cause I’ve been invested into destiny since it’s beta. But my god seeing what the game has become, I can’t play it anymore. It’s not fun, it’s the same shit they drip feed us over and over. And I’m done.

Thank you 🙏🏻

EA conditioned us to accept incomplete games, when we should have collectively said that this is unacceptable and boycotted companies like them and Activision/Blizzard. Until you hurt a corporation where their wallet is, nothing will change.

It will happen eventually. People will get sick of it one day. I think I heard that hogwarts legacy 2 will be online service. Considering how successful the first one was the second one will pretty much tank just like suicide squad kill the justice league

Rock abd Stone ! XD

A very rock and stone and anti leaf lover take

Also, the devs are very ethical with monetization. They make sure that the cosmetic DLCs they give out are worth it and cheap. Secondly, they listen to the community. During season 2, the community wanted GK2 to get buffed and it arrived in season 3. Same thing can be said about the subata buff since that sht bussin now. Lastly, players get a shout out depending on how well they perform in game for a month (as if you were an employee). Every month, the billboard shows an "employee of the month" and it's a REAL player who performed well and it's the Dev's way of appreciating their playerbase.

@@dark_ghost7327 ROCK AND STONE!

You people are the problem Drg is doing the same thing just 10% less scummy so you praise it as something good.

Thanks man appreciate it!

Well, the game is full of bugs, get it? Bugs?.......................

5months later nope, it's not

@@Walamonga1313 yeah the game died from dev negligence

@@jonahhammond2438I was gonna say I thought I heard something about that game being fumbled by the devs lol

@@RobertLutece909 I'm not saying I support all live services. MOST get it wrong. SOME get it right. And I'm glad there are classic and indie titles available, those are also great. Never said they weren't.

To toss my 2 cents out there Final Fantasy 14 is genuinely a great game while being a subscription based live service. I’ve been playing for about a year now and it’s a huge breath of fresh air!

no shit sherlock

Well if it sells like shit, it's probably not worth improving anyway.

@@Franku40keks I don't even blame them they're making money anyways. It's people that are dumb as shit

@@Franku40keks Diablo 4 sold 11 million copies and they knew in beta that everyone and their mother wanted a gem tab and a way to zoom out. So far its only happened 6 months after release which is absurd for a game that had 9000 developers.

the devs don’t care about profit margins. unless you mean execs. devs prob want to make the best game they can.

I agree, DRG’s live service is what the industry norm should be, not to mention the incredible gameplay at the base. Also, ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!

If you don't Rock and Stone, you ain't comin' home!

FOR ROCK AND STONE!

Rock and stone is fantastic. The other game series I would recommend for a good more classic style single player experience is the yakuza franchise. Heck for Yakuza 7 they changed their game to a turn based one because they made an april fools post about it and it got so much hype they changed their game to turn based because thats what fans wanted.

ROCK AND STONE!

I hate this about modern MP games. You just can’t take a break from it, because once you come back, you get absolutely dumped on by the sweats who are addicted and never stop playing. I was super into BF 2042 and played it from launch up until the start of S4-little did I know that a one week break would turn into a month, then 3 months, and now I just have no desire to go back. I know if I do, I’ll just be stomped out and I’ll be hopping back on the hamster wheel of FOMO again. No thanks.

@@theitechlab another incredibly depressing thing is seeing multiplayer games die out. I used to play a lot of Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine. Was a great game. The game started dying, and the only people left were people with, I shit you not, dozens of thousands of hours in the game. Like 12,000 hours to 20,000 hours. From time to time I would think to myself; man, I remember how good this game was. How about I try a match of multiplayer for some casual fun? And then I get obliterated by people who play the game as their day job. A lot of games in my library are good games that have a dying playerbase, the only people left being people who play the game as if it gives them a salary. It's like a vacuum-sealed chamber that prevents anyone new from daring to pick up the game, it's disheartening. The now dead multiplayer game is ruled by people who sunk dozens of thousands of hours into it, and now all they have left is an empty game that they played a part in killing. At least they can feel better knowing they're the king of nothing, I guess.

Wdym fomo? You can get everything in the game now, the event stuff is permanent and there's still a lot of people playing it, you can even play it offline whenever you want.

> I don't know where we went wrong... where did we take a wrong turn as human beings? When we started eating animals.

​@@rabbitcreativenice bait lmao

Uhh capitalism and idfk. Play ULTRAKILL

@@cheesegoblin8850 nice bait yourself

DEI

And yet they are making more money than ever

I've been a little out of the loop I guess cause I assumed bear sex was a typo 😅

@@caribougoo349 Hey thanks for taking the time to read it lol

Thank you bro I really appreciate that. Been workin hard on these vids. I also wanna return to some fun game nights sometime. Would be awesome.