You need to go harder on these idiots. They believe everything except facts. Facts are like fire to Frankenstein for them. You need to shove that fire in their face
The unknown people in the Tarrio case are already known.... Eryka Gemma Flores who was banging Enrique Tarrio AND she named Samuel Armes as the author 1776 Returns. Flores sent it to Tarrio a week before Jan 6th and Armes denied creating it and said Flores was "blame-shifting" him. Flores claimed Armes created a document "war gaming" and then shared it with her on her google drive, which was confiscated. Armes said the document explored "a scenario where a certain president doesn't leave the White House". *He indicated that he indirectly provided inspiration for the nine-page "1776 Returns" document* He said that he "never imagined that" what he had written would ultimately be "turned into" an operational plan to attack federal buildings. *These are the two hidden people this guy is worrying about*
What you just did .. was evolve this dude.. to create and start posting about a new conspiracy over Tarrio... Now Tarrio the great FBI informant and agent... who got a prison sentence for over 20 years ... ??? I thought the agents were supposed to get off the charges? It's ridiculous the hoops this guy jumps through to believe the stuff he does.
He said "we showed up for trump" or something like that as well. Is it possible he meant we as in we americans or him because he voted trump and is on his side. I think the later part.
I truly feel like he has to have some sort of brain damage. Like, he does not seem capable of thought. He is probably a Decartien automata or something
Well there’s a good chance the meds are still racing through their system so it’s the best time, unless you want to see them in mid breakdown flinging feces all over the room and smearing the camera.
It's like Destiny always says. The way he describes himself are all red flags, because EVERYONE else who talks about themselves that way is just like this guy he's debating. Full of it. Not even sure why they can't own up to being Rightoids, it's not like he wouldn't fit right in with the rest of the mindless flock.
With MAGA there is only two acceptable positions. 1. You agree with Trump on literally everything and run cover for him. 2. You don't agree with Trump on everything and you run cover for him.
He confirms he believes in every conspiracy theory ever, one by one, without of shred of self awareness. This guy actually has a following. Terrifying stuff.
Ehh.... This might be dissapointing if you thought anyone was sincere about these believes, but... He know he's lying. And he knows we know he's lying.
@@roberteriksen6434don’t underestimate the ability of people to stupid. He might in his heart of heart believe this stuff, even if he doesn’t some in his audience definitely do.
The end where Destiny started asking him about different situations and the dude couldn't help himself but call all of them conspiracies was hilarious, like a legitimate comedy
That, combined with the talk he had with the nice lady before this was just perfect. On one hand it showed destiny's point is valid (conservatives mentally went off the deep end) but it also showed that the point of the lady is valid at the same time (talking "respectfully" with them and trying to pin them down makes every rational thinking audience member see just how gone they truly are). I like nebrasky steve as much as the next guy but this was a masterclass performance and I would like to see more of it
Dude that whole section blew my mind. Yeah bro that's why it's a conspiracy charge, not you pulled the trigger on the guy charge. Most conspiracy charges, the person isn't there, that's the whole point.
But that was all a trap apparently. He knew this guy was a fed all along. What was the point in arguing Tarrio is innocent the whole time I’m still not sure.
“The leftists wouldn’t bother to read it…” didn’t the past 2 hours show that this trump supporter has not read any court cases, but instead relies on what others claim as truth.
I had a recent conversation with a friend that was defending idea the doj is being used against Trump, and when I'd bring up something he would be confused... I realized he didn't even keep up with the actual trial or know any of the evidence proven or what trumps own people were saying. He was defending that he did nothing wrong without any actual knowledge of the facts brought in the case. 😅 sad thing is that he's pretty intelligent and a liberal who isn't even a Trump fan. Yet he fell in to that same rhetoric that someone else spewed that he just latched on to without looking into.
I mean...100% of the "debate" is just Destiny correcting the guy or asking the obvious questions that poke holes in the conspiracy theory. It started with the dude falsely claiming that state legislatures certified alternate slates of electors and went downhill from there.
This is how these guys who say.. "do the research" actually research. They don't. Lol - they get sound bites from twitter and facebook, that they never follow up on.
@@rcchristian2 I agree with you about the sound bites, but in addition when confronted with the actual facts (not bites) they usually say "Im busy and I dont have time to research" and to that I say: How can you have a debate when on something that you are not informed on? claiming they know the "facts" while at the same time admitting they didnt do the research.
This "Google" blower went down every MAGA conspiracy rabbithole he could find and wandered into Four Seasons Total Landscaping where Rosanne Barr was offering her soul as sacrifice while Linda McMahon endorsed Trump using a bible she got from the adult bookstore nextdoor.
Just cause Tarrio organized the meeting at the Capitol, paid for plane tickets for Proud Boys, planned to break into the Capitol, encouraged others to break into the Capitol, and cheer when his plan is successful, doesn’t mean he had anything to do with breaking into the Capitol on Jan 6 🏋🏾♂️
Immediately he's like: I'm not right leaning, but *describes all his beliefs that just so happen to agree with the right*. He actually did the meme. God, I can't fucking stand these "centrists".
Tim pool did it. Hell I saw a bunch of them on twitter the week after the assassination once pushed a bit. Don't trust any person claiming centrist. He claimed he's a dissident futurist, what the hell does that have to do with political leanings?? 💀
@@GeometryDashKenaz I haven't watched the whole video so maybe you're right and not just memeing (I just got up so I genuinely can't tell), but I was specifically referring to his comments on the insurrection at the beginning. Claims to be a sort of centrist but regurgitates word for word the usual conservative talking points about it. Maybe I should've been more specific, idk.
I love the idea that every single person at the Jan 6th attempt was actually an undercover agent, but they were so undercover that none of them knew about each other
Seems like the only way to combat them is to take their conspiracy and map it onto an even WILDER conspiracy that they have to fight with their own. I'd unironically wanna see this guy try to deradicalize a "birds are government drones"-tier conspiracy theorist. Lol
It was hilarious when Destiny mentioned why wouldn't Project Veritas and James Okeefe have the same reasons to lie to people because they directly profit and benefit off of it... And this clown unironically said "I know o'keefe personally he's a friend of mine, and I know him and his character and I trust him" LOOOOOOL literally the biggest moron I've ever heard talk in my life
@@ctredez2047 I don’t think you can. IMO this type of behaviour is likely a mental health issue (delusional disorder of some sort). This individual may not have a mental health disorder, but I bet most of the people like this do have one. We actually don’t know how common delusional disorders are because people who have them are so unlikely to seek treatment or help. The reason being is that delusions are the least likely thing someone is to have insight into when dealing with mental health issues. To use myself as an illustration when I had a severe depressive episode I recognized a lot of symptoms as abnormal (such as low mood, low libido, memory issues, sleep disturbances, cognitive impairment, and even random pains), but I didn’t realize my delusional symptoms were an issue until I was already recovering. I didn’t tell my therapist that I thought my roommates were trying to drug my food (which is why I stopped eating), that I thought someone was breaking into my apartment, or that I was hearing voices (that called me slurs) until after I stopped having those thoughts. I didn’t even recognize them as being a part of an illness that I was familiar with AND sought help for independently. It’s f-in crazy how our mind can sometimes mislead us so easily.
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 I've been around quite a few conspiracy types and from my laymans observation I see two types: the delusional type like the guy in this video and the narcissistic type, which I think is more common. Though I think narcissism is often mixed into both types. Conspiracies make people feel special and important and smarter than the "sheep". Whenever somebody presents you with facts you can roll your eyes and laugh and feel superior while saying "thats what they want you to believe". Once a person like that gets a bunch of friends who think the same way, there is no recovery. They will circle jerk with each other down a confirmation bias hole for the rest of their lives. The internet has helped fuel the creation of a lot more of these groups of people. I think most conspiracy theorists (especially as this way of thinking is more popular as a result of social media) are perfectly sane but have a superiority complex and an ego that prevents them from ever acknowledging when they're wrong. This ends up painting their entire worldview.
It drives me CRAZY that Vorhies keeps saying "that's my thesis" instead of "that's my premise" Cheese and fries! What are doing here? writing an essay?
This was just brutal. I watched this live and the guy is basically scuffed Alex Jones. At the end he basically admitted that NO amount of evidence would change his opinion that the FBI was behind everything. It was funny, but completely pointless.
Pointless when it comes to changing HIS mind for sure but I really think that this conversation is more effective in changing the minds of prior neutral audience members than a shouting match. Destiny navigated this wonderfully and really exposed the stupidity in the other guy's world view. I would like to see more of this and also think it's the better strategy when it comes to saving the US
I get so tired about people talking about these massive conspiracy theories where high level people in the US Federal Government are actively working against the People and our Country. But, hey, have you heard what Destiny has been digging into lately about Trump and his high level officials plotting against the People and using the power of the US Federal Government to do it? Pretty shocking.
Because he personally knows the leader and sees that he has good character He can’t be lying to millions of people, because he isn’t lying to me! What exceptionalism.
And when o’keefe backed off his claims of election fraud after getting sued, that wasn’t because he was lying from the start, it’s because he ‘didn’t have the will to fight’. You can’t make this shit up.
All of his supporters have to jump through so many hoops, hypotheticals and uninformed assumptions to justify their own logic. I love that this guys tries to sound smart by starting sentences with words like “my thesis is…” lol
This is hard to watch and a perfect example of people claiming, "they did their own research." No clue as to how any process actually works and unable to change their fragile opinions even with proof presented directly to their eyes and ears. Thank you Destiny for continued exposure to this type of mental disorder.
He gives the same vibe as the more dangerous homeless people you see. So close to totally snapping but hanging onto the veneer of sanity by the skin of his teeth. Total inability to modulate his voice and thoughts, eyes twitching and weird facial expression.
If only somehow people would first learn how to think before using their brain. This guy has the biggest case of brain worms of anyone I have ever heard that also thinks they have a grasp on reality.
This guy could never make it through documents like this, on his own... He would be sidelines 1000 times, when he would get every answer to his questions, if he just shut up and kept reading until the end. You can see why these types get fooled so easily. He has zero patience. The whole way he is looking for excuses instead of just examining the evidence.
I’m a republican Reagan republican I won’t vote for the cult leader Trump . I’m a single issue voter this year on foreign policy on giving military aid to Ukraine. Whoever tries to stop Russia before they gobble up and absorb more land . To stop the torture rape and kidnapping on occupied Ukraine. This is my opinion my brother supports Trump but he’s older and conspiratorial
@@Smash_ter Eh that was kind of the beginning of where we are now.. so still bad and arguably worse for starting this shit show of a Republican party lmao
@@solodolo7161agree, but at least Reagan wasn't actually insane and the "cult of personality" around him never went beyond regular POTUS levels (until later/his death at least).
New conspiracy theory: Zach Vorhies is himself actually a fed and is intended to make such a clown of himself that other conspiracy theorists stop out of embarrassment
Controlled opposition!!! We got him! If he wasn’t trying to look stupid, why would he talk with an autistic drawl, and constantly misuse ‘big words’ acting like they make him seem smart.
25:00 he says they stopped the suite because "you know how much lawyers cost" then says they were flush with cash and then goes right back to saying they were broke like 10 seconds later.
This guy: "I do not take side, I like neither Trump nor Biden. I want the Truth." Also this guy: "Trump did nothing wrong and he's been the best president we've had!"
@@JohnDelmas I have spent time in a psychiatric hospital (as a patient, I have a mood disorder that I didn’t manage well in my late teens and early twenties) and his thought process and patterns are identical to someone with paranoid delusions. Hold conflicting beliefs at once (such as Trump is controlled opposition/working to control us with the Dems and Trump is the best president and fighting for our rights and freedoms) was super common. There’s no point in arguing with someone like that as delusions, by their very nature, cannot be dissuaded with logic, reason, or contradicting evidence. They’ll just “rationalize” (for lack of a better term) it away. The healthcare workers never argued with them about their delusions, now they didn’t confirm them either, but they didn’t confront them about it being crazy. They’d just be like, “I understand that you feel this way and that must be very frightening/uncomfortable for you. But don’t worry, we won’t let anyone in here that wants to hurt you,” or something to that effect.
He also said "We" came out to vote in a red wave. I mean he couldn't be more obvious. Everyone is that is anonymous is a fed...LOL.. Person 1 in the Cohen indictment is Donald Trump. He just asserts that anyone named "person" in an indictment is a fed.. no evidence required.
This guy is the definition of "I have no actual grounded confirmed evidence for any of my positions or any counter arguments against any of YOUR positions and video evidence but I'm gonna spout my conspiracy theories anyway because reasons"
"And if you block me into a dead end where I'm forced to confront my own biases and ill-logic in the face of overwhelming evidence, I will simply claim that the actor in question was actually a fed this whole time, and invalidate all the effort you took in speaking with me."
@@redsparowe5412yep! On a comedic parallel, Jack Black played a character in “Melvin goes to dinner” where there’s always a pushback response to EVERY assertion, no matter what one questions him with
I just wish they would cut this "I'm a centrist" schtick. They always end up spewing every right wing talking point and subscribe to most of the conspiracy theories the right spews.
Loved that according to him, the Project Veritas goofball was somehow beyond reproach when it comes to his integrity, too. Donations would never factor into his decisions, and the reason they abandoned their claims in court was merely because of an internal coup, and they just didn't want to go through it all because it was going to be too grueling and expensive.
I love this guys logic. "The doors were unlocked". So in his mind, does that mean if a group of people were breaking into my house, and one of them noticed the door was unlocked, then they all decide to just go through the front door instead of the window, that now I haven't been robbed, I'm just having uninvited guests???? It doesn't make any sense at all. I will never understand how these peoples minds get so warped.
"I'm not a Trump supporter or a liberal, or any of these labels." **30 minutes in** "The energy for Trump was so amazing. Trump seemed to be the solution."
@@JohnDelmas its not though. You can't call him a Trumpist when he prefaces his debate stance as believing Trump is controlled opposition, then doubles down on this stance during the debate.
"They brought medeival plate armor, scimitars, ak 47s, nuclear warheads, the aids virus, detailed plans on how to flay politicians, flaying equipment, a written statement declaring they wish to flay politicians and work boots" "You telling me that wearing work boots is agianst the law now?"
“This is news to me” sums up the last like twelve debates Destiny has had because everyone is too busy arguing if Jan 6 was or was not a riot/insurrection
We should talking about the ways our elections and systems are actually rigged: gerrymandering, voter suppression, the electoral college...or the fact that 50% of the Senate represents 18% of the population.
@@nothingbutstatic The senate is not the system being rigged. The senate is specifically designed to represent the different state’s interests. The congress is the people’s representative.
as a person from Europe hearing him speak, and how he thinks it make all sense now. why a lot of people in America think Trump won the election. When people like Zach Vorhies beliefs what really happened. And his evidence to have this belief is, i read a tweet, watched a video, and posted about it, so it has happened.
It is sad that their distrust of whole groups of hard-working, honest election workers is based on lies perpetated on-line by bad actors... such as Trump and his whole gang of power hungry mafia.
Anyone trying to claim that January 6th wasn't an insurrection must not remember all the fires they started and officers they killed breaching the Capitol.
Rekieta: explains to Destiny in all legal senses why the elector process they used literally can NOT be fraud and isnt Destiny: but but i want it to be fraud so it must be..
@@againsttherest1 If he provided the evidence of the hearing the same way Destiny pulled out an indictment and video of epps that might have meant something. You can't assert something exists online and then not be able to provide it. That would be such an easy debunk of Destiny across all these debates if there was any of the video evidence this guy described.
1st time viewer. Impressed by your ability to stay calm and discuss facts. The Google Whistleblower did not deserve to be platformed. He was uneducated on the facts and showed no interest in seeking facts outside his bubble. How do you declare that you are still "waiting for evidence" when the evidence is available to the public? It is frightening the degree to which these people will use anecdote and speculation to build an impenetrable maze of rabbit holes to avoid simple facts like a Grand Jury saw all the evidence (when case was legitimate), heard the best defense the defendents could present and decided the case. They will even refuse to accept guilty pleas. You cannot debate these folks. They do not want to know the truth.
Dude wholeheartedly embraces every conspiracy for which there is flimsy or zero evidence, but when explicit details and evidence of a concerted conspiracy is laid out before him, he is very skeptical and has to lay another conspiracy on top of it order for his brain to process it. What a deranged and exhausting way to live.
This is so true. Why do they want to believe flimsy evidence but completely disregard solid evidence. Anything solid, he’ll put layers of conspiracies on it until its completely lost
Wow... this was a helpful reminder to me. Reinforces that you can't use logic/reason to change a person's position/belief/mind if they did not use reason/logic in the first place.
One of the funniest things about this entire ecosystem of conspiracy theories is how simplistic the steps involved have to be, because people like this couldn't comprehend them otherwise. Like election fraud wouldn't happen through a technical bureaucratic mechanism, instead it has to be truckloads of votes carted to shredding machines, which is like how a movie would use obvious visual language to let the audience know voter fraud is happening
40:17 This is fucking asinine. The first arguments brought up about voter fraud, Destiny says that the cases were dismissed due to lack of standing. This guy then claims this isn’t a decent enough piece of evidence, as it would’ve been more convincing for these people to have their day in court to have the evidence of voter fraud shown to a jury. He then dovetails it with the implication that they were dismissed outright due to lack of standing to prevent the evidence from being fairly tried, because if it was it would prove voter fraud. THEN when Destiny brings up the individual who was found guilty of conspiracy to commit insurrection, Perpetual Maniac says that the courts are corrupt and the ruling wouldn’t prove anything. What is the actual point of discussing this shit with people.
I have debated people (family members) like this for hours. There is no point. Both your own mental health and the health of the world would see more improvement from you staring at a wall for the same amount of time you would have otherwise spent on debate. The only exception to this rule is for people with a big audience like Destiny.
I honestly think that they are like the raptors in Jurassic Park testing the boundaries for weaknesses to figure out how and what they can get away with.
One of the first claims this dude makes about “alternative” electors is entirely false. They weren’t certified by their states to represent the votes of the constituents of those states. They were chosen in a completely separate process by Trump loyalists in the hope that Pence could/ would use the power to choose alternative electors over the official ones. If those electors had been “chosen” by their states, even against the will of the popular vote inside the state, then we would have an entirely different conversation about state’s rights. That’s not what happened. Trump couldn’t prove in any case substantial voter fraud and some cases were even dismissed because they had filed those dubiously with little to no standing.
Could you imagine a state legislator, without significan evidence or court cases establishing fraud, voting to send an alternate slate of electors against the popular vote?
@@johnd1047 he's saying this guy has put himself into a state of delusion to the point where he is stuck there forever and will never return to reality
Even if Trump hadn’t said what he said, do you think that as long as you calmly tell people to obstruct democracy you’re not inciting violence? How can people forcefully stop the legal process of counting the votes without violence?
I love how you can see the guys wheels turning when Stephen is showing him the court documents and evidence, but its like all of his brain power is being diverted to coming up with excuses as to why the evidence is invalid, instead of confronting his ignorance, or even learning anything😂
It's genuinely so fascinating, watching him try to find the smallest crevices in the basically undeniable evidence being shown/read to him, and shove his entire ideology into those pockets (in the form of these locked, DLC "informant" characters), like they're the last life-line to his conspiracies. He NEEDS to keep his faith in his conspiracy alive and can't mentally engage with any else. It's real-time zealotry.
Destiny is not a fed but we have credible info that his cat 'honey' is a certified fed. All sensitive info is relayed back to the DnC party via honey.🔥
Or maybe this futurist is a fed who’s trying to trick us into believing in a fedsurrection because the actual insurrection was done by the Mothman and DB Cooper 👀
Pro trump people storming the Capitol to stop the electoral count - nah not believable Federal agents storming the Capitol to stop the electoral count challenge - absolutely what happened
I think Destiny’s said this before, but it truly is the case that believing in conspiracies, thinking you know the truth and having insight no one else has is fun. It’s fun to think you know better than others and that you’re the real one for raging against the machine. Otherwise, the realization that people generally want what’s best for themselves and their neighbors, that our institutions largely work, and that you are not special is too much with which to grapple. I feel a bit sorry for people like this, it makes me wonder what’s led them down this road.
Conspiracy theorists probably didn’t get a lot of attention growing up, pivoted to insanity to get that attention. I am not a doctor but I saw it in a dream; therefore it must be true.
I think a large part of this conspiracy mindset came naturally as a direct result of mindlessly supporting Trump. To defend Trump you essentially need to introduce an alternate reality where he's the best boy ever and it's the mean deep state's fault he lies about everything and was a bad president.
I really hate how this guy says that basically he’s been involved with every big thing that’s happened in the last 6 years yet he sounds just like every other big conspiracy guy and even when he’s shown the videos of ray epps not breaking down the barriers he doesn’t even mention it even though seconds before he said ray epps was the one who broke the barrier? Lmaoo Jesus Christ
This guy canNOT move past his bias and compulsive conspiracy theorizing long enough to even process anything in the court documents. It's so weird to watch them do this, and they ALL do it
@@scott-proav maybe to show that Tarrio didn’t commit any crimes on the ground but instead organised it and that shows that he’s an agent? I think that’s the point.
