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@@JoeLikesBlueno but typically in a debate when you make a claim, then someone points out the fault in your claim, you don’t then repeat the the point they just showed fault with. Like for example, if your claim is maxx c keeps combo decks from running amok, then someone points out that combo decks can also play maxx c and they are still the best decks in all formats, you don’t then respond to that with “but it keeps the combo decks in check”
@@JoeLikesBlue It really isn't that his rebuttal is absolute, it's the repetition of an already addressed argument. To counter it you should make a counter argument from the argument itself instead of reinstating something that has already been addressed the first time.
even the manga agrees thats max c is extremely powerful. theres an entire moment in the ocg structures where max c is so big of an issue that the tension in the duel is equvilient to a broken anime boss monster being brought out.
And the depressing part about the Maxx C is that On the first duel, it literally ended the game since Tendou drew 4 cards and Souma ended in like 1 interruption, and proceeded to get OTKed. On the second 1, the moment Maxx C came into play, Souma was forced to muster an OTK so he wouldn't have to worry about the cards Tendou drew Which still translates that, whatever the case, Maxx C resolved means the end of game regardless if the player who used it wins or not.
Maxx "C" is the unholy trifector of: >Easy to activate & resolve >Great against so many decks >Extremely powerful with no downsides Any one of these 3 would be fine on it's own but all 3 together makes it a nightmare to deal with.
@@DarkGamer-co1hx Ash Blossom is consistent and versatile, but it's not extremely powerful. It can negate cards with a handful of effects, once per turn. Maxx "C" either forces your opponent to end their turn, or it gives you massive card advantage. It has a much larger effect on the game and is much harder to play around.
the funniest thing about maxx c is maxx c was a tcg exclusive it got released in like 2011. Decade passed and it's still 3 in ocg while tcg banned it long ago lol
@@queenbrightwingthe3890 lmao no,. OCG keeps the game competitive while TCG phases out older decks in order to be replace by newer released decks. TCG really cuts off the head of former meta in order to introduce newer meta like what they did to Tearla. They cut off the heads of the mermaids in order to make way for Kashtira and now they giving way for Vanquish soul with those overpriced tags. Lol if TCG was really about competitiveness,. they should unban previous ban cards like Mew Mo and Colossus that was a meta threat before. Those cards and decks lost representation on the game yet TCG cries as if they were forever scared of those cards.
@@naknampucha5236 dude you're crazy. OCG has every Tear at 1 including Reino which we get at 3 (making Tear at least playable), the Bystials limited, ONE BRANDED FUSION, one Branded Opening. You've got it backwards. The OCG just murders decks to push the new decks they want people to buy. They even murdered Kashtira, BUT LEFT DIABLOSIS UNTOUCHED!! Worst banlist and always will be.
funnily enough, argument 2 is also literally stated in the manga where maxx c is a card that give opponent pressure with the choice to give draw or hold combo
Except you lose when you hold combo. It really is just lose or lose. You give any competent player a free board and you will lose. If you give them 10 cards you will lose. You will lose regardless. There is no choice
@@dragonmaster951753 theres also no choice if you dont play maxx c against any meta competitive deck. you just sit through 15 minutes of solitair then scoop cause you didnt draw the out. and hardlegs rant pretty much boils down to "drawing the out to maxx c isnt a valid argument. also if you dont like my 15 minute combo ending in an unbreakable board just draw the out" its plain old hypocrisy.
@@uteriel282aughs in bystial, though honestly where most level 4 flip summons or GY effects come in clutch just normal summon/set and make them think ur playing trap trix and they might even choke and pass i will say i wouldnt be carrying half as many hand traps if maxx c was gone
@@MassaSlush ash, called by, imperm and others still counter almost every deck so theres no reason for the majority of players to not use them regardless if maxx c gets banned or not. people first started playing 10+ hand traps in every deck in the tcg with maxx c banned. so the argument of there being less hand traps without maxx c doesnt work.
@@uteriel282agree with you 100%. Now that I’m fairly high rank in master duel I have to sit through the 1 hour first turns where my opponent runs through over half their deck and special summons 15 monsters, followed by passing their turn to me only to continue playing on my turn and then negate any of my plays.
I've always hated the "this banned card makes my rogue deck better!" 'cause, like, if it's on the banlist it's either generic enough or single-handedly powerful enough to warp the meta to some degree so it ends up helping more than just your favorite rogue deck
There are some cases where it's fair. Like, Pot of Avarice was a really well designed card and was great for my personal pet deck, but it got banned because people were using it to extend hand loops to stop the opponent from playing the game back before everything was hard one per turn. Banning those loops was the correct choice to begin with, but Konami was really slow to actually do it, trying to ban out support cards like Avarice instead. Avarice itself wasn't a problem, but it was deemed to be problematic when combined with things that were already problematic on their own.
@@driftwisp2797 This, I agree with (I currently play Accel Syncho Stardust Dragon in my synchron deck, after all) but I'm talking more about the Halqdon or Verte apologists who insist those cards were what made their pet deck better.
My argument against Maxx "C" is entirely about how it affects OCG card design, and the TCG consists entirely of OCG imports and beta tests, so neither side gets good data on how effective the other's cards should be, and since the OCG designs around giving combo decks a bunch of excess extenders they can potentially play all at once because of flawed assumptions on Maxx "C" holding them back, the TCG has gotten a ridiculous amount of vomit board formats that require "drawing the out" as if the opponent were on Floodgates(with targeted floodgates being almost necessary to side into for games 2 and 3, leading to tons of anticlimactic matches). And it is EXTREMELY rare for the TCG to prehit cards that are actually busted since forcing competitive players to buy new powercreep is more immediately profitable for them, and they're fine with killing entire decks to force people onto new stuff.
Finally someone with my problem with Maxx c. Konami design cards around Maxx C's existence, the game isn't Yugioh it is Maxx C the game. And nothing can be done about it. In the tcg we're stuck with the dogshit backwash that not having the bug causes and in master duel we're stuck with the bug because the card designers started treating it as a necessary pillar of the game. Hell, I 100 percent believe my personal conspiracy theory that the only reason they created Rush Duel was because of the bug and since we don't have the bug they didn't port over Rush duels since they didn't need to. There is no solution, the Japanese are notorious for their culture of not aggravating the status quo also the fact that usually they could not give less of a shit about what happens outside of the country. Yes, they release product outside of Japan for more money but given japanese culture if the tcg just started declining in sales one day they'd shrug about it and cut their losses. Look how Konami treat their video game franchises, nonexistent except to be branding on Japan exclusive pachinko machines.
I sort of have to agree, with many decks going midrange where maxx c is mostly gives 2 at usual, 3 at best, more if against shit like drytron Purrely, VS, rescue Ace. It's as if they are designing the cards to give maxx c less effective as they can instead of banning it
@@hoshi314 Just Play self Tk. you get a lot of gems and don’t care about maxx C . Or Stall with a 5 Card extra deck and normal Summon a salamangreat pass. And try to abuse the Time as much as possible .
The problem with this argument is that it doesn't recognize the inherent problem of Yu-Gi-Oh!, which is the Extra Deck. With how the modern Extra Deck plays and is relied on, a player going first effectively starts out with a twenty card hand, while their opponent is limited to five. And yes, I do recognize that not all decks rely on Extra Deck mechanics, but those decks still at least use Pot of Extravagance, the Extra Deck is still a resource. Maxx "C", as much as it is a blight, is still the only solid answer against the disparity between opening hands. Maxx "C" is not the problem, it is a symptom of the problem: the Extra Deck. Which is why Konami has to design around its existence, because they don't have an answer to the root of the problem. The Extra Deck is now integral to the identity of regular Yu-Gi-Oh!, and unless Konami decides to push out a new Master Rule that fixes the Extra Deck, like how they tried to with Master Rule 4, and that did not take hold well.
Anyone with the sanity to climb to Master I this format will know how sacky and oppressive Maxx C is. Most games are decided by the Maxx C minigame because decks now can play through multiple handtraps and you're forced to run the Maxx C tax (3 Maxx C, 3 Ash, 2 Called By and 1 Crossout) over boardbreakers or specific techs to counter the meta. So if their Maxx C resolves you probably won't survive with your interruption. And if your Maxx C doesn't resolve going second you're probably losing. And ofc if they have Maxx C going first you lose too. Leading to non games on whether you drew the out or not.
"And ofc if they have Maxx C going first you lose too." I think people don't emphasize enough quite how much stronger C is when going first than when going second. Called By is a full third of the cards you're running to counter C, and if you're going second that's all it can do. But if you're going first it can negate an Ash that tries to stop your C. On top of that, if you're going second and your opponent drops C, you chain Called By, not only can negates like Baronne or Carrot negate it, but also Spright Elf can resummon the C to void Called By. And while "Pass and hope your hand traps and actual traps stop you from getting OTK'd" is a viable hail mary play when going first against C, if you're going second and you're already staring down 4k+ atk of monsters and a set graveyard, passing simply isn't an option.
Maxx C is the reason you're losing games? Damn that sucks most of the games I lose are due to either bad hands or my opponent gets 4+ negates and I didn't open the out. Guess we both have skill issues
People really just tend to forget that you can play Maxx C in seemingly any deck including META decks, playing rogue won't help it just because you can use maxx C as well when your opponent also uses maxx C. I play Springans all the time and I hate using and go against maxx C when fighting spright or tear or branded
@@driftwisp2797 Not to mention spright that can add maxx C to hand as well instead of having to natively draw it. Genuinely I do use maxx C but it's such an un fun card that every card I have to use has to cater to maxx C as well. If I want to have any chance with Springans under maxx C I still have to give them at least 2 or 3 draws. While in tear they can just hold on to Havnes and get it twisted next turn. You can't do that with most other decks and it sucks
One also needs to bear in mind that not all card advantage is equally good. Drawing cards per se can suck if the cards you draw are no good (see Ojamas or Ursarctics), so Maxx C will always benefit the decks that are already at the top more than rogue decks.
I used to defend Maxx C but after climbling ranked and playing the game for over ila year I can safely say: fuck that card There is a reason why legend anthology was BY FAR the best event in MD
absolutely true, at the start of MD i thought it could be fun to play with maxx c, but now the most boring games are the ones where either i maxx c and my opponent does nothing, or i get maxx c'd and i have to pass turn
That event is super weird to me. The details seem like they want you to play decks based off of series in the anime. I figured everyone would be playing hero, cyber dragon, etc with this recent one. Until I see a bunch of people playing Dark Magician or Utopia
@@sanic007I mean Dark Magician/Blue eyes are one of if not the most beloved and/or owned decks ever. This event was like the 1 tike you could dust those off and have fun again woth em
The problem with the bug is that it only got better with time. Back when it was made, getting an OTK board in one turn was not a guarantee, so not taking the challenge WAS A viable choice. Not anymore.
Exactly. Back in the GX era Maxx C would not be that much of a problem. And even if you manage to draw 4 cards, you are probably playing against a Hero or Cyberdragon board now. Have luck going against an 4k cyber end dragon without Raigeki
@@dhantefranklin336 how is stating an opinion is lying. let me tell you something, what is the definition of fair ? i will give you this " when 99% of the decks available is using special summon or special summon is mandatory for them, then fair is when 99% people who play the game have access to card stopping them." this is what my thought process believe. the rest outside of this is just deckbuilding skill issues and luck.
I am going to say this again : It is funny that a TCG ex card is the signature card of the OCG..... In a sense the TCG is to blame for the birth of Maxx C and that changed the way YGO cards designed forever
Literally Maxx “C” was designed to counter Six Samurai (both released in Storm of Ragnarok) since the designers were like “we need to design a card to stop this special summon heavy strategy, hopefully the game won’t spiral into a special summon heavy format”.
@@naknampucha5236 not necessarily, at least not in the form it had in the OCG. Runick is a good example of this. Cause while runick over there leaned into its stall/mill playstyle, because we don’t have to worry about maxx c over here it was used more for its monster utility with the sprights. That’s not to say there wasn’t crossover between the different formats, but runick spright has a much better time in the TCG where the spright half of the deck doesn’t have to worry about maxx c being dropped on it.
OCG does not care what their audience say. They also don't care what the TCG has to say. How does no one in this comment section never realized Konami never actually cares what people say. People love to pretend Konami cares what their audience say. They never did.
Except they also banned most of the disruption cards. Making the event ass because you can't do shit to beat decks that play monsters that are unaffected by card effects. I hate Maxx C as well but there was no reason to ban most of the other hand traps as well.
I will say that taking the Maxx C challenge and just hard pushing through it to eventually win the game is quite satisfying. However, even that has lost it's luster and was only interesting before because of your very very low percentage change to even win by powering through it. We need to make sure to put in the feedback everytime to limit maxx c to one or ban it.
The crazy thing is that if you take the challenge and they still lose, it's usually the fault of the other guy's deckbuilding and not that it means Maxx C challenge is fallible. Against a well made deck, even giving them 3 free cards to set like like 1 negate should theoretically be a loss about 99 times out of a 100
My suggestion is to ban boardbreaking cards like LS, Droplet, DRNM etc. At that point, you can safely combo your deck without the threat that your opponent would draw into a breaker.
@@kusanagi-no-tachi5303 Those are actually fair and balanced cards that's a Halquifibriax situation in which a bunch of cards suffer for the sins of one broken card.
@@Honest_Mids_Masheri dont think dark ruler and all these cards are fun. They started to print cards like this when they noticed you couldnt break boards anymore going second with your engine plus maybe a forbidden chalice or whatever. So they printed dark ruler, ls, droplet, talents, thrust. I think its good they printed those cause we need ways to counter these strategies going sec. We shouldnt have to deal with those in the first place tho. 2019 toss format is a good example where 1 for 1 trades where very nice.
I love how no one really no one mentioned sub terror guru stun. That deck literally only sets guru and passes. The only time you could get a draw is if they special the big guy.
Labyrinth stun almost never summons. Floo is all normal summon. Monarchs and True Deaco (who actually plays those beyond memes?) Is tribute. Runic stun is nothing but lockdown. Actual Eldlich decks rarely summon. I Hat when people believe Guru is the only stun deck. This boils down to. I hate Maxx C, but I hate floodgates even more. This is why I don't take arguments against Maxx C seriously when your the same people that want all floodgates banned and still complain all decks are combo decks
@@soukenmarufwt5224 Firstly I never said that Guru is the only stun deck that exists. Secondly Every deck you mentioned except for Floo (and Draco if we don't count return) specials atleast once, which means that maxx c is atleast an upstart. And thirdly I think you forget about the fact that people who are against floodgates and maxx c are for a big portion combo players. We don't cry about combo decks, because they're not a problem by themselves unlike floodgates.
tbh maxx c gives you a chance to fight back realistically 6 cards is never breaking am adamanciptor and spyral turn 1 board. in a bo1 world you can't sideboard don't know if you are going first or not so you can't really build one knowing unless you some stuff like 8 axis or numeron but not everyone wants to play that. with maxx c gone with the current banlist decks will have to run like at least 1/3 of their decks being board breakers like lightning storms, drnn, droplet, kaijus, duster, and more. at least with maxx c legal you can brute force through a few once per turn negates with just having more cards and maybe only need to fill in 9/40 of the deck with staples. going first is too strong and combo is too popular so what can you do while your opponent can also run maxx c on your turn at least you have a chance to break their board and have a turn 2 plus what are they gonna run too nibiru or ash well you got extra cards to go through that and nibiru will tribute everything anyways. even the rule change that made that you can draw a card going first was a way to weaken going first. maxx c is annoying feels bad to play against but unless they ban a ton more shit and generic stuff but its gonna stay and if you wanna play rogue stuff you are gonna need that generic stuff to you might not win for playing rogue but you won't get blown out as much. maxx c give more than 1 draw the out and lets be real against decks like adamanciptor you more than 1 draw.
@@kuriboharmy my brother in Christ, stop the copium. They can draw maxx c too. Worst feeling ever is having some kind of board breaker and wait they play for like forever only to get maxx c'd on your turn. That won't take away the frustrations of also getting maxx c'd going first. You have 33% of drawing the bug in a 40 card deck. People will usually run 3 ash + 2 cb. They have 50% of drawing one of those. You're severely limiting deck building, adding more luck factor in a already high luck game and on top of that making everyone involved feel frustrated. Because of what? 17% of chance of being able to play against degenerate decks? This is madness. It makes no logical sense. The only way degenerate strategies like these are ever gonna stop is if the game had some kinda punishment for when you do too much in one turn. For example: when you summon 10 times your opponent draws one card.
@@kuma9239 well there's your problem there is no punishment for these degenerate strategies so now what. It's a bo1 format with these degenerate strategies unless you start banning everything might as well just ban the last 15 years of yugioh go back to the old days of stardust dragon being the best monster.
I was so adamant to not craft the damn bug until cross out designator comes out and decide to craft it just for cross out…..end up getting royal finish Maxx C.
Hardleg speaks the truth. Maxx”C” is a problematic card that galvanizes the entire game into building around it. It does nothing but put the person who drops it first in a massive advantageous position, especially in the modern game where many decks just need 1 card to resolve that leads to an OTK or puts so many disruptions on the board that it might as well be an OTK
wanna know what decks it does help, stall strategies yugioh has become boring becuase functionally the only way to play is to play boring ass combo decks that are all the same deck structure wise without cards like maxx c what incentives is there to play anything other then broken combo?
@@sharktenko267 people will continue to ignore this. They have played Yugioh and are the new age yugiboomer they bitch and moan about. Maxx C can effectively slow down the game a little and they dont like that at all. Its pathetic they wanna OTKO every game and cry when they cant.
@@sharktenko267'll tell you what you do: you make a new card that is just like Maxx C but has actual downsides so that combo decks don't abuse it too. Maxx C should have either a discard 2 cost (so that if it's denied you go -2) or preferably a third effect forcing you to play it at the start of Main Phase 1 and locking you out of Special Summons for the rest of this turn and the next one (so you can't just combo off and *then* drop Maxx C at no cost on your opponent) As it is now, if your enemy's running the most obnoxious Tearlaments+Sprights sweaty meta combo deck of endless special fusions.. and plays Maxx C in response to your harmless offmeta card, you're screwed. Now not only will they drop a full board of bosses and negates, but they will either also draw every handtrap and block your plays, or they'll force you to pass and OTK your ass into grass. "But what if you play Maxx C? Don't you get to win?" No, you don't. First and foremost, maybe Tearlaments can combo off into a ridiculous board off a single card, but most non meta decks can't. And even if you did play it and draw a billion cards.. guess what, the meta deck doesn't care. They already have whats to your rogue deck an unbreakable board. You could draw half your deck for all they care, you're screwed anyways. And last but not least, how is [3 Maxx C] + [3 Ash Blossom] + [2 Called by the Grave] _not_ the same structure in every deck every time? I'd appreciate being able to run my actual fun archetype cards instead of those 8 in every deck, thankyuverymuch.
Hold up I got it, the BEST defense for Maxx C staying legal! .... It's funny to watch Trickstar and Flower Cardian FTK Maxx C defenders by simply playing Yugioh. That is all
They could make everyone happy, just add different modes like "Master Duel Banlist", "TCG" and "OCG". And then everyone can play the mode they like. And they can see what players like to play more. And then add an option for best of 3 (like Mtg Arena already has) and everyone is pleased
That's an awful take, dividing the playerbase like that is completely stupid and it'd only cause more problems, who tf would play "Master Duel banlist" when the actual official formats are right there, unless Konami forces us to play this Master Duel BL in events, in which case the Maxx C argument would keep going the exact way it already was cus the problem has not been fixed, you just created more problems Imo separate options to play should be reserved for actual alt formats like Time Wizard formats or Heart of the Underdog Having all 3 TCG, OCG and "MD banlist" formats will just end with the MD one being dead cus if there's an official format to be played people ARE gonna play it
@@azurabbit12 So you say people want tonplay something entirely different, so they should keep the one format that people don't want? That seems not very smart. Konami will not implement the other Formats for your reason but it makes no sense. If they ewant Money the should make the game as attractive as possible. And releasing cards half a year behind the tcg and enforcing this awfull banlist won't do that.
"But Konami will lose money if they ban Maxx C, they'll give free UR dust!" If they do ban it, they'll give you UR dust, which you'll use to craft other URs. They don't lose anything! It's not like you can exchange it for money!
I played appropriate once when ome hit me with maxx c I smiled proceeded to special summon and draw 2 cards while they drew 1. It was a very chaotic duel of hand reaps flying everywhere
I think the true way to get rid of Maxx C is to remove the reason for it. Such as a limit on how many times a player can special summon during a turn. It is getting absurd.
@@klove5974 except special summoning ain't even a problem when every deck can do it and even the ones that don't do it still can retain playability. Say there was a special summon limit of five per turn wanna know what's the meta? Branded, Vanquish Soul, Kashtira let's see you try playing heroes dumbass.
@@BreadBoyWeeb Ah. Of course. How foolish of me to forget that everyone plays a Salamangreat deck. Crazy of me to miss Maxx C highlighting Salamangreat decks and not the fact that you just bypassed the whole 10 summons thing. 🤦🏼♀️
I love that Maxx C stops combo decks. Especially if my opponent plays a combo deck, goes first, busts out the craziest board ever and then shotguns Maxx C after turn change. Feel very good thanks Master Duel 👍
Maxx C only keeps non meta decks that special summon any number of turns in check so I hate it. Actually, midrange-ish decks like salaman suffer the most cuz unlike dw, dragon link or adaman where you can try decking out your opponent, midrange has the conundrum of either the opponent goes -1 or breaks even but you end up with next to nothing to defend yourself or going forward anyway but opponent plusses like 3-5 cards
What infuriates me more, is the possibility of having it turn 1, your opponent can do a full combo set up 3-4 negates and during your draw phase just bomb a maxx c on your face.
one argument for maxx c being fine I saw was that "you could just play card destruction if the opponent drew 20+ cards to deck them out" not one of those 20 cards can be a negate
I'm almost tempted to build a deck that causes somebody to deck out whenever they use Maxx - C. I wonder if I could get a special summon chain going that would cause them to draw like half their deck alongside stuff like Card Destruction... Feels like it would be incredibly fun to turn an otherwise meta move into a lose condition.
@Matthew because I need max to keep the ash blossoms away from my d/d contract cards and or draw some extra cards because not everyone plays cookie cutter tournament decks? Imo decks like tearlaments are way worse, "you already had your turn could you stop already?"
It's fine... in very specific formats where you need 1 specific card or you scoop going second because there's a deck (like Tear full power) that's basically unbeatable... but needs to be rebanned instantly after so easier to just leave it instead of playing whack a roach each list.
I really felt that when Farfa said you get conditioned to watching a video at 1.25 for 1.5 times speed and then the regular video feels slow. Especially because I’m watching this in 1.25 speed while he’s watching it in 1.5 speed 😂😂
"You can choose to just not Special Summon so they can't draw cards!" Okay, so your choices are... 1) Keep Special Summoning and risk giving your opponent the tools they need to either shut you down or achieve their winning board state, or 2) ...End your turn and basically hand your opponent the game unless they have the ultimate brick hand.
There is an anti-draw deck. I dont know which specific cards, but they all have similar effects that negatively effect yout opponent whenever they draw. Meanwhile, you sacrifice handtraps, unless you add some into it, although, its a pretty weird that once a deck surpasses 35 cards, it somehow a deathsentence for vaibilty of that deck.
I think at this point it is more so the entire game's fault rather than just maxx C's fault. The game has became so crooked that most duels barely last 3 turns. If you don't have specific stables in your hand going second, you will almost certainly lose to whatever meta deck is out there right now. Maybe ygo should introduce a "turn 0" where both players set up their boards simultaneously without interruption, then they battle. Also maybe the LP should be increased to 12000
Take out all the ideas in the end I’m with you, it’s not maxx c’s fault, at least you can try to say that but that small insect is so oppressive now, like a lot of older cards that became banned later
Fools, changing an ENTIRE GAME rythm/rules/meta just bc you want ONE single card being "healthy"... It doesn't work like that, you know... That card is BROKEN for no reason.
@thesublime4482 keep denying that yugioh has some deep-rooted problems won't do the game any good mate. If the player can't vomit every card in their hand onto the field in a single turn then maxx c won't be such a problem.
@@opswhyyou7216 Well, surprise, this game is not balanced!!! Maxx "C" can be used in every deck, including meta!!! I mean, Maxx "C" just make everything worse.
@@opswhyyou7216the TCG is fine and full of interaction. There are 10+ viable competitive decks right now... The game is very interactive when two similarly powered decks play against each other. When a garbage normal monster pile plays against a tier 1 meta deck, it's obviously going to be a blowout... That isn't a flaw of the game. The flaw lies in the people who think the game needs to change when that scenario happens.
The most frustrating part getting maxx c'd is that the the card rewards even the dumbest player in a duel just from pure card advantage, no matter the owner going 1st or 2nd I went against a player that ash a Danger card, then they resolves maxx c. I pass with bagooska giving them 3 draws, then they're going to otk me because he they draw the imperm that i believe wasn't there (looking at the passing priority delays). The other day i tried to otk my opponent that messed up their chain link effects of tearlament girls and lubellion's, resulting to suboptimal board. I played my cards that are available at a reasonable pace that leaving me on 50s trying to crack the board and otk, but they keep drawing interruption and ended up wall-ing with havnis and bystial. I feel betrayed when the opponent who's the one missplay gets the win while i was the one playing perfectly. So, whether you stop comboing or continue, chances are slim that you're gonna win when decks that you play against are meta decks, that are also using the cards they claim "keep the meta in check"
Maxx C used to be very fair. After all, it came out during a time when the most special summons a deck could consistently make was 2-3 at the time. Very few decks could OTK or set up hard to break boards and the ones with the ability to had to run a lot of bricks. Maxx C when it was released was situational at best. You could only expect 1-2 draws from it most of the time. Now you can expect it to draw half your deck because the game has over 100 decks where the basic combo requires 10+ summons. Even control decks like Vanquish Soul can special summon 2-5 times a turn.
It's also important to note that when C came out Effect Veiler and D.D. Crow were the premier hand trap options. You weren't drawing into Nibiru to stop yourself from getting OTK'd, so if the opponent OTK'd you, you just died. There were also a lot less special summons, so if even if you did draw twenty cards, like from an opponent trying to loop you to deck out, you were probably setting five and discarding ten.
I think in that case the problem isn’t maxx c but the fact that many decks are able to vomit out negates. And yes I know Konami is never going to do anything about it because special summoning in YuGiOh is as natural as breathing but I don’t think it is a fault of maxx c.
@@tiredguy2753 I’ve actually noticed that there’s a trend that Konami’s recent meta decks are not focused on slapping big negate boards, but are moving towards resource management. VS is focused on cycling your resources in a way to best interrupt your opponent, but you can’t outright stop what they do. Kashtira focuses on pick apart your potential resources. Even though Arise-heart is too broken. Labyrynth cycles their resources using trap cards. The only 2 top decks right now that really put out Omni negates now are Runick and Dragon Link. I still agree that multiple negate and floodgate boards are just as fun as getting Maxx “C” dropped on you, in that they are no fun. But from what I’m seeing, Konami is changing their philosophy to make decks more flavorful with their play styles and end boards and keeping them competitive as well.
Maxx C is broken because you draw on the first special summon and you can draw and use other hand traps. Which means it's always card neutral, and you insta lose if you try to play through it. If you had to at least go -1 and couldn't use other hand traps or deal damage on the next turn, it'd create a lot of interesting counterplay to Maxx C.
Yeah the Problem with Maxx C as with most Problem Cards in this game is the sheer amount of advantage it creates.... at no cost to the user. A "No damage next turn" effect would suddenly mean yes you get a bunch of advantage, you will be able to set up your ultimate board easily but: Your Opponent will guranteed survive wheter they decide to play through it or not and potentialy be able to recover especialy if they have a few board breakers.
1:02 Fun fact: You can‘t react to the effect of the exodia the forbidden head card. But you can of course stop opponent from accessing the required cards.
Exodia is a continuous win condition, and takes precedence over all other spell speeds interestingly enough. It's a similar reason as to why Magician's Right Hand CAN negate spells like Super Poly, as the effect is already present.
Make it cost life per draw. Make it so you can't special summon or can only special summon X amount of times your turn (Maybe based on how many cards are drawn) Cap it at X Cards drawn (To be fair I think there should be a hard cap at 10 cards drawn per turn in general no matter what) Give the opponent some sort of benefit to even it out like they get to draw a card every other card you draw. Limit it to 1 per deck. Make it only draw a card based on type of summon with a cap of 1 card if the opponent does a Fusion / Xyz / Link / Pendulum / Normal / Special Etc, so if they fusion summon 3 cards, you only get 1 draw for that first fusion and the rest don't give anything. literally anything else.
Since this is technically my second time watching Hardleg's video, I'd like to mention something that I don't think I mentioned in the comments of his original video. Maxx "C" is literally "Pot of Greed, but better if you're going 2nd instead of going first." Every game is basically a coinflip "does my opponent have the counter" and that's not fun, skill-expressive, or any of the other things they banned Pot of Greed for.
The problem with that is that a lot of decks nowadays are do you have the out style decks maxx c and floodgates being utter cancer feel like a symptom of the bigger issue that yugioh is a busted ass game and has been for literal years
I think, an at least somewhat fixed version of maxx c would be with a similar function to shifter, where both players are affected by the effect and for two turns (also you would need to activate it on the start of the turn). This would make floo really busted, but otherwise be pretty fair.
I don't know, turn 2 Maxx "C" is pretty strong too, but not even 1/4 as strong as using it first turn. It's not hard to OTK a weak board even if the opponent can draws a lot, he can't even use gamma or imperm because he is going to have cards on the field.
To me the best way to fix that card would be to give it a Gamma-like activation condition, you only can use it if you have no board at all none of that "I go first, combo off and activate Maxx C in your draw phase" BS
To this argument "weaker decks need Maxx to compete": I lowkey stopped using it in a bunch of my fun/ rogue decks (or however you wanna call them). Sure, maybe I'd get a few more wins against the top tier decks, but by now it's just boring to win just because I got to resolve the roach going 2nd. Feels way better to win against them against all odds. Funny thing that Farfa brought up Fire Fist for this point: The other day I beat a Branded player (who opened Branded Lost + Fusion btw.) using Fire Fist. Not thanks to whatever staples. Off of just one Tenki in hand (which I recycled last turn), a full graveyard and purely because my opponent missed lethal and for some reason didn't bring out Mirrorjade. Probably was the most satisfying duel I played in a while.
Among all design mistakes in YGO, Maxx C is the one that breaks it all. (Though honestly, Maxx C wasn't initially designed wrong, it's just that eventual power creep made it draw more than 1 card)
Do I think it should be banned? Yes, mostly because the whole community has decided "how" YGO should be played and Maxx C goes against it. Nobody wants to be punished by their own hubris.
@@soukenmarufwt5224 There are some other comments on this vid that hit the nail on the head about this point. TCG is not necessarily biased toward combo. TCG cardpool is largely made of OCG imports, so they are cards that are/should be designed with Maxx C in mind. If we're using the assumption that the roach somehow stops/hinders combo, then naturally new combo decks must be increasingly better at playing against/through/around it. This means crazier extenders, ways to put omni/monster negates on board early to counter whatever handtraps C might draw into, etc. Thus if Konami somehow has that severe misunderstanding that C stops combo, C is directly contributing to the wombo-combo-ification of Yugioh that so many people (new and old) hate. Also, floodgates are unfun to play against too. It just takes TOO much skill to monke flip trap in draw phase and watch the opponent pass /s. People want to be able to use their cards, C and floodgates both disincentivize doing so and are thus unfun that also happen to be bad design. Using either involves no skill
@soukenmarufwt5224 due to how yugioh works with prevention affects, often times floodgates don't just screw over combo decks. Alot of midrange and control decks also get screwed
I always laugh when people open Maxx C on my first turn. Because I'm playing Labrynth and we can't usually Special on the first turn unless using Clock or the new cards that aren't in MD yet. But when going second it's very annoying to see the bug along with a full field of negates. Usually those negates stop people from specialing anyway so Maxx C is just BM.
@@jondoe8014 Yeah, and then you get matched against someone who wants cards destroyed like Tearlaments, Unchained, etc and she just sabotages your efforts in winning.
@@Unyubaby I don't have issues with Tear using her, but I also run dimension barriers, soul drains, and things like that. Normally I dimensional barrier fusions, and can pop without issues, and I can recycle it, or I get soul drain which shuts Tear down really hard. Dimension barrier is good for everything but link summons. I'm surprised that people don't run it considering how effective it is.
@@Unyubaby I also get this satisfying feeling when they mill their stuff only for me to activate dimension barrier for fusions and they get nothing from the mill, and when I recycle on my next turn the smart ones normally scoop because it's pretty much GG.
Considering I had way more fun playing the Dark vs. Light event since I didn't have to see the same 6 cards played in every deck (Ash and Maxx C) and saw some rather interesting decks being played with. While yes Eldlich was pretty prevalent, I had a ton of fun with Abyss Actors without having to worry about my opponent having Maxx C or Ash. Not saying Ash is an issue, but Maxx C 100% is. Ash is only good if Maxx C is good in most cases. It feels like right now if your opponent doesn't have Maxx C, you get to play yugioh. If they do, you're better off just conceding if you don't have the out which just feels bad.
as I was listening to this video (im at 4:40) I started to play a around of Ranked Master Duels and guess what my opponent activated when I started to preform my FIRST move that goes into a special summon.....any guesses?
I'd personally say that I would welcome Maxx C back into the game if they errated it to say "can only activate after your opponent special summons 3 times". It would still be a hell of an issue. But for me, it crosses my red line drawn in the sand for bannability.
and/or adding a 'you must control no cards to activate this effect' to get rid of the worst case scenario of full power endboard + maxx c to fight through
It might be a better card if it had a drawback to using it, like you can only special summon as many times as your opponent did after the card was used. So combo decks are less inclined to play it because if they just outright end their turn, you can't special summon your next turn.
Or just give it a limit. Draw 1 card if your opponent special summons the turn it was played. What makes it toxic is that you draw every time they summon. Imagine if Ash Blossom prevented drawing or summoning from the deck for the entire rest of the turn instead of being a single negate (for no extra cost).
I used to play Yugioh around 17 years ago. I came back to watching Yugioh content recently. My old brain cant even comprehend that Maxx C was ever released , let alone comprehend that people defend its existence.
I think the first set of things I crafted in master duel were Galaxy Eyes 🙃. Master duel was pretty much my first time coming back to Yugioh in a decade and I got bodied by a galaxy Eyes deck so I thought it was good. I learned very, very, quickly how trash that archetype is lmao
maybe if maxx c can only be activated if you control no other cards sounds more fair. its pain in the ass when you going 2nd trying to break board and the opponent just throw maxx c on the draw phase.
Considering how Maxx C is supposed to be used, this is just about the best change possible. It allows the most unfair use of it, being used by the person going first, to be denied. Going second nowadays is almost an instant lose due to disadvantage. Maxx C would then allow for a counter, but only for going second.
And that changes what exactly? Going second it's still the same, since you drop it when opp is trying to make their board. This only affects building their board
@@TimothyGod This change would make it so that the actual use for Maxx C of being able to compete even though you're going second is the only use. Without this you can drop Maxx C after having built up your board, disregarding the point of it supposedly being a comeback card.
I agree with him . I'm getting sick of that card . It was fine when the game got released but over Time it's just too much pain. Konami has a problem of making their own game balanced. There's some cards that shouldn't have existed in the first place. Aside from events that we get each month . I barely touch the game . I want to preserve my sanity
My take is Maxx C should NOT have to get banned to begin with. You people cry tooo much. Nobody is forcing no one to play Maxxster Duel. YGO is designed by Maxx C and it will continue to be so.
@@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz... So basically VFD shouldn't have gotten banned and the people that hated him should've just stopped playing? Sounds about right for a Maxx C defender
