Deus Ex Mankind Divided - How to Save Allison without Failing The Heist [ Before-Update 1.04] 

LOL, there are always ways to circumvent the rules. Also on the 2nd playthrough you can kill everyone just to see what different things happens. I've always wondered what happens if you killed Otar, will Koller be happy?

@@ChengTeoh well the good ending only depend on the final decisions and how fast you can do them so you can kill anyone without a problem

Lore-wise, there's no reason a detective like Jensen couldn't have figured out Stanek would be held on the top floor and he could just punch the walls to give himself handholds to climb up, effectively solving the mission in 3 minutes after getting the heist objective from Alex, but NOOOO, the top floor windows are barricaded with titanium wood and you can only punch straight through walls

why did i do that in his voice

rylog8 why even go that far he has cloaking augs, just walk in

it doesnt work that way

This works, but I found you still need to climb outside the map to get this to work. Unless you did something different, then please chime in. If you rush straight up to Allison using the stairwell in the church, after taking the Davli sewers, triggered Vega for me; prompting me to take the video's "Sky" route. After that, you should not hear Vega at all once Allison is is handcuffed. Subway back over to Palisade, run up the steps and Vega should trigger and Jensen's reply about having to save Allison yada, yada. Once clear of subway last steps, take the alley immediately to your right, proceed to the bank!

rufus i confirm it works well on PS4 if you go to the subway thru Dvali Theater and then follow the "sky path" as the video tells it! You can "save" Alison and then proceed to the bank! Thanks a lot guys

The Fubar worked flawlessly ! PC latest update, theater + sky way

This worked, thanks! (together with what rufus said)

do you mind if I ask how you go to the subway through Dvali theater? is there a passage inside the theater or is it like around outside?

Did you ever figure it out? Asking for a friend

@@guy5396 no sorry I did not. But you have good timing. I just decided to replay the game today so I’ll be there and retry it soon

@@aurora0023 I learned some more about, apparently you should also do this dvali theatre shortcut and then follow up with this, I too am trying it out today

@@guy5396 as I said in my fist comment, I did this before and it worked just fine by following the vid step by step. So I didn’t use the dvali shortcut the first time either and it still worked. Dunno if you need to use it now for it to work

@@aurora0023 Well I played it on the Xbox this time and used the dvali shortcut as well. I can confirm it works with the shortcut; any other way, Alex calls right after the conversation with Allison.

That's great to know. I've been getting conflicting reports, but that's most likely more on consoles than on PCs.

AstroGazer 1 well shit

Found this out o xbox 1 as well

Fuck...

Austin Shropshire and we came so far... ish

I wanted to dislike... but not through you. Bastards!

I love the way you think. I was actually thinking about why Alex couldn't help out - one would assume that she would be capable of handling that situation. It would have been understandable if she was in the midst of another situation that prevented her from helping out - but nope, not in this particular storyline.

Cheng Teoh Then at least she could help allison.

More than likely she doesn't have the hacking augs Jensen had

She belonged to a hacking group!!!

Yeah it would have been fun if when given the choice alex does the other mission. Here is the catch if she is the one that does the bank mission she finds the cold storage boxes with you know who in them. If she goes after the bombmaker she could fluff it or risk blowing your cover.

if you are on pc, open steam>Deus Mankind>right click properties>beta>change to the first option that is the forst beta version.. it will work enjoy

I'm on ps4. Done the same thing.

TheOdd101 Yup, doesn't work on PS4.

Just tried it on PS4 and it worked for me. Dvali theatre shortcut + this video did the trick.

Just done it, worked fine, theatre short cut and this video

Just tried it, did not work, I have the Icarus dash but am unable to dash from the third floor ledge to the top most generator. The 'hand' icon doesn't come up.

T breezy did it today just move a little closer to the edge and slowly scan for the hand icon

it work but before talk with allison Vega call you :(

Thanks so much and I utterly agree with you that they should have at least given the player the option to do both - could have had both mission done on a time basis like the end. They could have also given the option of if you chose to save allison first, that would force you to stop the enemies from getting away with the information, or if you saved allison quickly enough you could have been able to catch the enemies while in the middle of the data theft. Just a thought.

Its a good thought. I agree with it. Making it a timed thing would be great. I mean with all Adam's enhancements and connections with the police you would think he'd at least be able to slow down trucks so you could get there and get the information. But nope they didn't. They made you make the hard decision. At least this way the number of people you saved drastically went up (since you could stop the bombs from going off) but...still a bitter pill to swallow. Hate it when games force this upon players.

@@MTGPlayer10 alright man, Idc it was 4 years already, gimme the sauce to your profile pic.

@@vojtaniedelsky8011 I don't have a direct answer for you unfortunately. All I did was type into yahoo "3840x2160 anime wallpaper" and I just looked through the options that showed up. Good luck and thanks. :D

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I'm going to have to try it out since I'm getting conflicting reports. :) Glad that this helped you.

On PC or PS4? Also almost positive the patch is 1.04 and not 1.4

PC. 1.4.545.5 is a version of exe file.

Whether it's the new version of the game it's still applicable I did this on 12/12/20

Well I think the funnier moments in the game have been the unintentional moments where a guard's limp body oozes through the floor leaving you with parts of the body to pick up and stretch in many hilariously silly picassoesque ways.

Cheng Teoh Yes the physics are just terrible in this game ...

Always glad to help out. :) It's a darn shame that there isn't a way to avoid seeing Rucker die.

It has already been patched out a long time ago but there is another work around that is more involved.

Glad to know that it worked. Yes the game doesn't know what to do when you've already done both missions so it reverts to saying you've failed one of them. It is a little sad that no one acknowledges that you did a super-human job at solving both problems even though technically it shouldn't have been possible [ lol ]

So have you got a call?

Not a problem. :) Glad that you found it helpful.

I apologize for the spoiler. I'll make sure to make a note of possible spoilers when I make new videos.

it still works? that's awesome if it does. :)

it's pretty amazing that this still works. I was expecting it to have been patched out by now.

@@ChengTeoh so did I .Only problem is that you get "The Fix" quest twice(The Neuoroplasticity callibrator one), and the second time you attempt it the game softlocks.

You get "the fix" quest again after completing it?

I've been told as recently as this year that it did work for certain consoles but I can't confirm that.

@@ChengTeoh I'll get back to you if and when I get a result! :)

not true for pc

Sadly, it is entirely possible that it has been patched out by now.

Cheng Teoh awwwwwwwww fek. Well, the video is still nice anyway, thx for the help!

You must have not updated to Deus Ex patch 1.04 I did sadly and now cannot do this. :(

All of my Steam games are always up to date.

Sbiridiu there's still hope that I can save Miller if the glitch worked for you

2:15 when I tried it looked like they removed that reachable location with the patch but I managed to work on it until it worked. In this video he just looks at the crate and instantly can "grab" it. For me it was much more tough but yeah, at that time was still possible :)

I managed to get both done as there’s a time limit to do both. What I did was get to Marchenko ASAP (with Icarus dash) to fight him. In the fight, I used an EMP grenade to disable the turret near him before coming in with Icarus dash, stunning him (stun gun) and non lethally knocking him out. For getting to the VIPs, I just ran past all of them and got there in time.

Poop for sure. That is the minor inconvenience of hidden online updates. Sorry that this video couldn't work for you. If there was any other ways to not fail the heist after patch I would have posted up a video.

no it's totally fine im surprised i was still able to go out of bounds hahaha i had a lot of fun like that at least lmao

You can rob the bank and on the final mission get marchenko’s kill switch and still save everyone

I think there are those who enjoy finding ways to get out of bounds in order to see how the game sections are laid out. There are very VERY interesting tricks on Deus Ex Human Revolutions that involve phasing objects through walls. Also in most games there is points where getting out-of-bounds is simply accomplished by what is called a cover-breach.

Yes, it seems the patch might have fixed this for some which is a darn shame. Thanks for being so understanding. If there was a way that I could find a way to still be able to do this and not fail the other mission, I would.

I think they patched out the option to do both missions at the same time.

lol, it is a shame that there wasn't a way that didn't involve using exploits. Maybe something like if you got to her within 3 minutes then you'd still have the time to get to the bank before they were able to take away the evidence .. or even better, they could have still been at the bank in the midst of taking away the evidence and you'd have to either slow them down before they cleaned out the bank or you somehow got to the evidence before they could.

Cheng Teoh Yeah. Instead of a boolean yes/no, introduce some flexibility into game mission structure. If you go to the bank first, you can sneak in, or blast it apart, but if you clear out the church first, you almost HAVE to go loud to stop them as they leave, or somehow intercept them enroute.

it'also makes more sense as well, because I'm still struggling to accept that Marchenko would just tell Allision about GARM. Like why would he ever told her about a secret facility he's hiding at? She's an unstable bomb-maker. And for Adam to just accept that and go to GARM without even questioning it is very out of character of him, too. In my opinion, we should have get to follow through with Stanek first, where we find out that she made him a shit ton of bombs and we have no idea where he is, so everyone is in panic mode. Then, Janus steps in and say "Well... you know, ever since you kicked the hornet's nest by finding the bomb-maker, Versalife suddenly wants to clear out their fault. I can help you get in." My jaws were almost to the ground when I find out how much plot was lost by ignoring the heist, and Adam's character development, too. The big fork choices are so meaningless, it's annoying as hell rather than add to the story. I still think it's a good game, but the story was messed with so bad and chopped that I was so disappointed when I finally saw the end. Like it, but HR is still a better story.

***** If the DLC is as big as it was for HR, that could go a long way to fixing it. They have 2 planned, and the one for HR was an entire main mission size. Maybe two more main missions could flesh things out. I like that there /was/ a branching choice. Replay value, realism, etc. I AM let down there isn't some super secret way to handle both, maybe involving how side missions were resolved. But yeah. The main issue is Marchekno. You can NOT have a muscle bound killer as your primary antagonist in a Deus Ex game. It's...no. It's like Donkey Kong fighting the Illuminati, it just doesn't fit. I like that he wasn't STUPID, what with reading the classics and having his own plan and all. That was nice. Still. Feels like there should be a title card after you beat him. MK would have made a fantastic first Deus Ex act.

I would like the branching choices if they were meaningful. Like in the Witcher 3, the choices affects the result of that particular mission/quest and the story as it unfolds, it doesn't take a whole chunk of the plot away. I was excited at first when they made us choose, but when I realised what the choices entailed, it was ridiculous. The choice at the end made sense, but again, it was also terribly executed because I've seen someone go and save Brown and still Marchenko just waited for us to show up, and the guy didn't even have the killswitch. If Marchenko blew people up and we got pissed and kill him, it would impact us since we had to choose but nope. Like in the DLC from HR as you mention (I love that DLC so much it hurts), that kind of choice is brilliant. It doesn't take away from the plot, instead adds and changes it, thus more likely for us to replay, wanting to see the different results and reactions. With Stanek vs. Bank nothing changes except if we want to save her life and do our job, we literally lost a huge chunk of the plot that would not only make it more interesting, but also important as hell. It felt forced more than anything. (I wish we got Quinn back, Alex was kinda boring to me, and useless for the most part of the game, too.) I feel like MD has great ideas. Talos Rucker was such an interesting character, but he just dies like... after 5 minutes. Marchenko could have been made far more interesting, but they did nothing for him so he just ended up a muscle guy who has to be the boss fight. I also feel like it was chopped for a sequel. Most of the information we found points us towards Hong Kong, which I firmly believe was supposed to be the other hub instead of throwing us to London tower thing. Marchenko should have been a stepping stone, and I suspect, from the announcement trailer, we should have got to fight him in the Dvali Theatre, which would be epic. And instead of the whole only lethal boss fight, we may have the option to let TF29 arrest him. Then we go to Hong Kong. Also I thought they could have fleshed out the relationship between Stanek and Marchenko, had them been comrades in the past or something, forced into their augmentation to do their jobs hence the extremism and hatred. Having Marchenko see his comrades falls into insanity as they are unable to cope and all they get is oppression and steps on even further would give him a nice motive, or at least give some fire to his motives to why he chose to wage war in retaliation. Another thing that bothered me to hell was the Sarif side mission. It was so obviously cut. Like really? Sarif is just gonna say "some answers you need to find for yourself?" and sods off? And they killed Orlov off without giving us any clue to ANYTHING. We get more answer from the Black Light novel then the game, and that's ridiculous. Then you have the Harvester mission (which was great, I absolutely love it), that directly had Orlov involved yet we seem to have absolutely no opinion about it nor do we discuss it with Sarif, who brought the guy to our attention in the first place. The interaction with our collegues are also sooo limited. The people in TF29 are interesting, yet we barely ever make contact with them. MacReady in particular. We get some fun with him in the prologue but that was it. Where're the character developments? We love Pritchard, Malik, and Sarif because we get time to develop relationships with them. Hell, even Haas has more development than these lot. I'm so sorry for the long rant. I've been looking forward to Mankind Divided since before they had a name for it. I didn't doubt that the gameplay would be amazing, but the thing I looked forward to the most was the story. It wasn't terrible, it was just disappointing coming from the same team who developed HR. Even the title credit was bland compared to HR. :( I do hope the DLCs give us some satisfaction. I hate that Square Enix is going down the same road as EA, but I love Deus Ex far too much to not at least give it a go.

Yes, as noted in the video description I mentioned that the newest patch makes it so that this particular exploit isn't doable anymore. Very sad.

I do apologize, it is most likely that they patched the particular work-around out. It is a darn shame that they don't give an option to do both if you wanted to.

I think as long as you install using the disc and don't do an update it should work. :)

Now when you finish talking to Allison you get the call.

That is a darn shame. I've had someone on PC tell me that it still works. At least this workaround is still possible if you don't plan on playing the DLC that's coming out.

But did the PC user update to 1.04?

PC is nice because you can roll back the patch. Consoles do not have that option

PC does have advantages, but I think I'll stick with consoles. :)

I think there is. It involves not triggering the conversation with Alex in which she'll give you either the option to do the Heist or get to the Bomber when you get close to the subway map. In order to avoid that particular trigger point you would need to get into the subway via the sewers, which you can get to by going through the Dvali Theater to the area where Otar and Radich will have their meeting in Mission 14. Once you get there there's a terminal that opens a door which leads to the sewers - you need to have Icarus to fall down it.

Well, I can't go back to 1.03 as it says my saved games are corrupted. So will have to try this. Is there a vid somewhere that shows this in detail?

There might be but I don't know where, sorry I couldn't help out more.

OK, this still works in 1.16. Thank you.

Wonderful, so you found the sewers alright then? Feel free to drop by again and ask me anything you are having a problem with and I'll try to reply if I can.

I think as with most games if you don't do automatic patch updates any glitch can still be done as long as you get a physical copy of the game.

@@ChengTeoh I do have the game on a physical disc. If anything, I'm willing to replay the game again to try to use another method that doesn't involve using the subway because that'll trigger the call from Alex of having me to chose one of the 2 missions. So I just found out there's still a chance of doing both missions without failing one by using the rooftops from Allison Mission to Bank Heist. It may be a longer way without using the subway but using the rooftops from what I saw so far, won't trigger the ultimatum from Alex. So I'm gonna try that method to see this through. I hope the updated patch doesn't affect this either.

If you happen to do both missions the game doesn't know how to resolve that fact, it will act like the last one you did never happened. You'll still get the item but characters in the game world will still have dialogue of you not doing it. Thank goodness it doesn't freeze the game to a state where it can't continue. :)

You talking about the restaurant 😂?

I should probably have mentioned that after doing M11, you should do SM08 The Fix. Then do M12 and disregard Koller when he asks you to come back with the Neuroplasticity calibrator again. The game doesn't know what to do with the fact that you aren't suppose to be allowed to do both the missions - Poor Koller. :) If you went back to him after M11, it'll end up as a check marked completed, but not really completed. Also Miller will be mad at you for not tracking the bomber and butting into maccready's investication, which is pretty amusing since you did both.

+Cheng Teoh Oh, so when you do both missions, it'll give you the storyline of having gone with Allison?

Actually I miss-spoke, if you do M12 and then go to Miller, Miller will be mad at you for not following the bomber lead, although you could say that you did. I haven't tried going back to Miller after saving Allison so that you could tell him about the bomber. I don't think there's a way to have Miller happy at you for doing BOTH the missions since it wasn't intended to happen that way. lol.

If you loaded the update 1.04 patch, it might not work. I have not tried it out since I haven't uploaded the most recent patch. Also you have to make sure that you open the door as far as possible since the Vega conversation overlaps the door.

Me pareció que la misión del banco fracasó después de hablar con la chica, ¿es esto normal?

@@RafaeICC yo hice lo del video y ambas misiones se mantuvieron completadas, solo no entres por la puerta y entra por el bug

Sadly, this method no longer works if you've got patch 1.04 as mentioned in the description/title. There was a way of doing both missions that involves going to the station via the backdoor way through Dvali territory, hack open the level 4 locked door to get to the security terminal with the camera and the locked door, hack that open, icarus jump down to the sewers, follow the path until you reach the ladder going up to the station [ doing all that bypasses the conversation with Alex that forces you to choose between the mission. ] Now you can follow the tricks on the video to avoid triggering the conversation with Alex telling you that you missed your chance at the bank. ps. Once you head into the station after finishing with Stanek you'll get a message from Alex giving you a choice of doing either mission which is amusing since you've already completed with one of the choices. :D

Cheng Teoh Thanks man! i might try it again!

Best of luck! :D It's sad to know that this Deus Ex will be the last one for the foreseeable future. Squeenix is now on my naughty list for shipping out an unfinished story and saying it'll be part of a bigger universe only to go retract those words because of "poor sales". megagames.com/news/report-square-enix-has-put-deus-ex-series-hold

lol, I know it's bypassing the stealth which is simple enough to do, but it is the only way to stop Alex Vega from calling you about the bank being cleared out of the Orchid items. If you step anywhere on the second, third or fourth floor she'll call and the Heist M11 will be failed.

+Cheng Teoh You...your name is now: "Frak the Fourth"

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It has most likely been patched out. This video was for those who have the disc and didn't update the game with the latest patch.

Really? Hopefully it isn't too complicated.

Cheng Teoh same concept, but instead I used Icarus Strike as I was falling

Seriously?

It's very fiddly, but I think if you get as close to the edge of the ledge the icarus dash should be able to reach that block. It might also help if you stood up and tried the Icarus dash.

I just remote hack any mines in the game.

If you didn't install the update patches and played with the original game it is possible. I've heard that this particular way of doing both missions have been patched out since version 1.04 came out. But I've been told that there is another way of doing both missions even after that patch.