Devastating Argentine attack at Fitzroy (Falklands 1982) 

The fact that you need to say this to preclude comments is 😔. Great job on the video.

@@I8ASUPRAforLUNCH It also showcases Showtime112's attention to detail, which most of us appreciate :D.

If anyone’s been watching this channel for any length of time they already know that DCS world doesn’t have every mod of every aircraft that has ever existed. Showtime does his best. I find his videos to be entertaining & very informative.

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Its some times hard to belive this war was over 40 years ago

They were very professional and under the circumstances, they achieved a lot.

A UK commander at the time said something like: "We should have guessed that a country that had Fangio, would also have such fearsome pilots"

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If only those sacrifices had been for the benefit of your country, rather than corrupt politicians.

@@JackSmith-hx8zh If only your country did not dedicate itself to invading territories, perhaps we would be a better world.

@@JackSmith-hx8zh ellos pelearon por su país y no por y para los políticos,no se confunda y manche el honor de nuestros pilotos,sobre todo los caídos

Perhaps not entire thing but a lot of it. However, it is a rather rare historical exception.

The UK Dept of Defence and media outlets came to an agreement that two and only two cameramen were allowed to report on this war as part of the contingent who sailed to war. One was from the BBC, the other from the commercial networks. One used a 16mm film camera, possibly a CP 16 which at the time was a fine news camera, the other a new technology video camera which would likely have been a Sony Betacam of Ikegami model. Disaster - the video camera went down sometime during the conflict leaving only the film camera to record many historic events.

@@geoffreymee7671 Very interesting details, thank you for contributing!

Yes and people like them were always going to punish the Brits for the list of mistakes they made during this operation.

Thanls for watching! Yes, FAA and Naval aviation could be extremely efficient under the circumstances.

It's true that with all the bombs exploding, there would have been a lot more warships on the bottom of the ocean. There will be more videos from this conflict, thanks for the comment!

True and if Rapier had been stored better during the voyage south there would have been a lot more dead Argentine pilots i suppose war is full of what ifs.

Si representaron muy bien, pero la guerra es el fracaso de toda acción pacífica.... y por lo tanto es un fracaso !. Mas allá de las cuestiones técnicas, me quedo con lo humano de lo que han hecho de ambas partes para con sus camaradas, realmente habla muy bien del valor y los valores que tenían ambos bandos. Saludos desde Argentina.

Thanks for sharing, I didn't know they had such tour guides but it kinda makes sense. I agree, it doesn't seem like a piece of land worth so much trouble.

@@showtime112 local residents served as guides

Not worth it ! UK pride ?!😮👎

No tenemos ese pensamiento en Argentina. .solo admiración y respeto por nuestros combatientes que lucharon por nuestras islas Malvinas usurpadas por los británicos en 1833..el tiempo nos dará la razón Viva la Patria..!!!

A los piratas Ingleses no les interesa nada de lo que invadieron / usurparon .....😂😂😂

As it should be. Cheers from the States

That's a healthy attitude, thanks for sharing!

@@showtime112 Thank you im sure they would think the same . I was only Ten when this war broke out but spent a four months tour down there so i understand the feelings of the Islanders .

It's good to see respect from former enemies of both sides... chivalry ay it's highest. You must consider that argentine forces at the islands were not combat forces but occupation ones; war never was the mean to achieving the goal of keeping the islands under argentine sovereignty but to force Britain to seat at the negotiation table, after leaving it a few years before. Not a single argentine branch of the military prepared for a war because of that; you must remember that argentine occupation didn't produce a single british casualty, such was the core of that operation; they just had to expell the colonial authorities and forces, substituing the administration with argentine officials, under a provisory government, until negotiations were ended un some kind of agreement. If Argentina wanted a war, their armed forces would have done very different preparations to repel any attack or attempt of landing... but that was not the case; that's why the army send recently recruited conscripts, instead of better trained, weather adapted and equipped for such harsh environment; they were placed at defensive lines because they had no ability to manouver to, flank or counter attack incoming british infantry... they were sent to protect just sheeps and wait for the diplomacy to resolve the issue!!! That's why all the supplies to maintain the troops were stockpiled at warehouses in Stanley... because it was the most efficient way to administrate goods for an occupation force, not because argentine commanders were idiots that didn't know how to prepare strategic points to support the front lines or because they were cruel with their own troops!!! (Those two are the most common cliches and folklore about "incompetent" management and command of argentine commands) They didn't send heavy artillery (that was done when military actions had already started) nor accumulate big ammunition stocks. The Argentine Navy was not prepared así well; they had the older naval attack jets (A-4 Skyhawks) being retired and waiting for the new ones (Super Etendard) to complete their planned number, with only 5 of 14. They didn't place mines to close the straight waters and deny navigation to british ships. The only 2 modern submarines (Type 209-1200) needed to enter big maintenance jobs and just one was able to operare, only after hurriedly made preparations; moreover, the cree was mostly rookie and assembled for the mission, while the experts and veterans were un Germany, being trained to operate the state of the art TR-1700 submarines, designed and taylor-made for the Argentine Navy... for more than a decade, they were the most advanced and capable conventional submarines in the whole planet; the first 2 arrived just 2 years after the conflict (not war). They were also waiting for the 4 new MEKO-360 class destroyers (again, state of the art by that time) and... you know what?, they were waiting for the 6 remaining (from 8 acquired)... brand new Westland Sea Lynx HAS MK-23 ASW helicopters!!! Would you do that with the country you will go to war against? The main naval assets were a veteran british aircraft carrier and 2 Type 42 destroyers, one of them built in Argentina... it's like if today Argentina had built a Daring class for it's Navy!!! Looks that normal between "mortal enemies"? A curious thing about this ships: The first argentine Type 42 (Hércules) and the Sheffield were built at the same time; the british suffered a fire on it's stern, very close to it's launching; due to the thight schedual (and because the Queen would preside the ceremony) the Argentine Navy agreed to cede the stern section of it's own ship to help achieving that in time... so... some years later, argentine naval jets sank the stern of their own destroyer!!! Seems pretty odd... isn't? The Argentine Air Force was not prepared for naval attack missions, neither the weaponry; all tactics had to be developed and trained again... hurriedly, improvising solutions with the available resources; that's why many of the bombs didn't explode (and many RN ships didn't sunk, because of that) when hit their targets... and still the argentine birds of prey managed to nail their claws on half british flete. In brief, and just considering the same available resources at the time; if Argentina wanted a war and prepared it's dorces for that... it would have been a slaughter for the Royal Navy, even before landing a single man on shore. Even if british troops had landed, with cold weather and mountain argentine troops (which were kept at mainland during the conflict, just preventing chilean agressions); if heavy artillery were placed at necessary points to repel landings and supporting own manouvering troops... again... no chance for british infantry. If the only available submarine had it's original crew and were properly maintained and armed, 1 or 2 more british ships would have been lost (the San Luis achieved 3 torpedo attacks but without success, because failures in the during computer and wiring of the torpedoes)... the RN wasn't able to find a noisy little submarine (it needed a hull cleaning for removing incrustations); just think if both units were fully operational... Argentina didn't 'want to fight... just imagine if they wanted to. But now, most of britons make fun on "those fool, incompetent guys that started a war against thei most glorious and powerful empire ever existed ". Just informing for ending cliches, stereotypes and myths... Greetings

@@sinergiamdp very intetesting, and deeply researched details. Gracias from Italy

It was quite dangerous to fly into the zone of combat, that's for sure.

basically fighting with NAM & 6 days war stuff a navy designed to repel a full scale invasion of the USSR impressive if you think of..

you forgot to mention that argentine aircrafts didn't use chaff flares

The last attack of this group, Second squadron, was June 13 against the Main British land base, almost a complete surprise, 7 Skyhawks reached the target. 3 were damaged by AAA.

@@v1tina154 Skyhawks B, no RWR, no radar, no radar altimeter and 50% of them no Omega navigators. The Mirage 5 was worse, no Omega navigator at ALL.

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I agree. In this case, plenty of specific actual footage was available. This is very rarely the case so I took advantage of the situation.

​@@showtime112u agree with him praising ur work?😂. I also agree. Some channels use animation, but using game footage provides equaly good coverage, while being much cheaper. Great way for a new channel to reduce costs to a minimum, while not trading in quality. Bravo hrvat.

@@nemiw4429 You are quite right about that. If you animate things from scratch, then you need to have hundreds of thousands views per each video. I can afford a number of flops 😁

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The Falkland Islands will NEVER be part of Arg.

Larga vida Argentina.Saludos desde Polonia.Inglaterra fuera.

@@jozef.stalinowski The Falklands islands & other island's are British & have never been Argentine !! The Spanish invaded south America colonised many countries what is now Argentina is one known as " Viceroyalty of the roi de la plata " .So the Spanish colonise countries & its ex- colony tries to colonise other countries !! The people on the Falklands islands are of British origin & want nothing to do with the Argentine government ... Its neighbours Chile have land disputes with them & at the time nearly went to war with them as well . !! 🙄🇬🇧✌

The falkland islands & other island's are British ! So the islanders want nothing to do with the Argentine government !! 🇬🇧✌🙄

​@@nigelpilgrim4232Revise your wonky slewed history m8

Thank you for watching and commenting! I agree that smaller battles are quite interesting (and less overwhelming perhaps).

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The Sinmalvinas are always bitter.

@@jesso777 You cannot expect them to be happy. One problem of pirates' psychology is to believe that everybody should be happy despite their thievery.

West Falklands (Argentina) is and always will be British. See? I can type rubbish too.

rubbish is having to pay taxes to support 3000 people who contribute nothing to the crown. think about it...

Thanks! As far as I can tell, the only other options are extremely high-budget Hollywood movies with real aircraft replicas, or invention of a time machine 😁

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Cheers al enemigo y saluditos? Que manga de trolos son estos cipayos

​@@DanielPerez-ln4vuwhat?

​@@DanielPerez-ln4vuAl enemigo hay que respetarlo, incluso por encima de cualquier diferencia... Si es necesario una guerra eso se soluciona en el campo de batalla, no por un comentario de RU-vid.

@@DanielPerez-ln4vualto cabecita de termo, ameo

I think only Cachon's airolane has the correct serial number here 😁 Thanks again!

Thanks! Yes, being on that ship was hell on Earth.

Some have compared it to the sight of two bald men fighting over a comb :) I see your point. On the positive side, there were no atrocities against civilians and the Geneva Convention was mostly respected, as far as I can tell.

There was and sill is a population.

@@showtime112 the cite belongs to Jorge Luis Borges, one of the best Argentine writers and the inspiration for the Jorge de Burgos character in "The Name of the Rose" book (and movie) by Umberto Eco

@@martindione386 Thanks for the additional information! I didn't know the part about The Name of the Rose.

@@showtime112 no problem! Borges was blind, just Jorge de Burgos, and Eco was a fan of his work. Just like me with your videos, keep it up!

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Thanks for the comment and for adding info!

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I appreciate it, thanka!

Must be experience :) Thanks for the comment!

Greetings Pablo, always nice hearing from you!

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You are most welcome thank you for your efforts@@showtime112

I did read Lukoviak's book, some 20 years ago. Moving story of a fellow para of a distant country. Liked it a lot.

Thanks for contributing more info. These testimonies must be an interesting read for anyone who wants to get a detailed picture of the conflict.

Being unfit is a myth put about by bad feeling among some British commanders, the lift was a attempt to hurry things up, the fact the men were not disembarked at speed was nothing less than a disgrace the danger being pointed out by a Marine who had no authority to insist on action being taken, sadly all wars experience these things.

The bravery of Argentine pilots saved British lives. They flew so close to their targets to ensure a hit that the bomb fuses didn’t have time to arm. Ps. If all the population want to remain British then we are obliged to defend them.

The Welsh guards are an elite infantry Battalion of the British Army. Their fitness was never in question ceremonial duties or not. They were all soldiers first. All the rest is urban legend promulgated by those who should have known better.

They were trained well enough to be precise. Especially when there wasn't any anti-aircraft defense like with Sir Galahad and Tristram.

Claro tirando bombas de 500 kg de un avion es igual que ir corriendo y tirar una piedra al blanco, totalmente obsoleto el armamento argentino, asi y todo logro dañar muchos buques e inclusive hundirlos.

Hi! Afraid not, Hawk is not available in the platforms I use.

@@showtime112 ok, thanks for letting me know

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Its a very well known episode of this war, you can access real footage of the attack.

La soberania de las Islas Malvinas pertenece a la Argentina, NO HAY NEGOCIACION POSIBLE con Inglaterra si niega este hecho elemental.

Estados Unidos y Japon solucionaron los problemas inmediatamente, son aliados estrategicos , USA les vende los F35 a Japon y Japon esta trabajando radares de avanzada para USA.

@@francisconavarro7296 lamentablemente fue un error la guerra, les sirvio politicamente a galtieri al principio y luago a Tatcher. Un acuerdo a 50 años y nos quearian 9 años para que sean nuestras

Eeuu escribió la Constitución japonesa después de la guerra, ojo

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They did have blowpipe missiles but the teams that had them had not yet unloaded from the ship. They were supposed to have disembarked at dawn but because of delays were still not unloaded when the Argentine aircraft arrived.

I think there were some Rapier batteries at Bluff Cove to the north. They really shoul have covered the ships.

@@showtime112 unfortunately the priority of helicopter meant that they couldn't relocate the rapier battery. Presumably the planners thought they would be of the ships by early morning.

@@AV-sl9wg There were plenty of assumptions here I guess. That's why they say that assumption is the mother of all f***ups.

Blowpipes showed less than 2% reliability in this conflict. Over 110 were fired, 11 by Argentina. Only 2 or 3 made to their targets, I don't remember exactly but I think it was a Sea Harrier and a Pucará.

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Solo cuando Gran Brataña.. restituya nuestra Islas Malvinas...quizás y solo quizás. .seamos naciones "amigas"..!!

NEVER❗THE ARGENTINES DISTRUST THE ENGLISH. THEIR ARMIES TRIED TO INVADE ARGENTINA IN 1806 AND 1807. NOT CONSISTENT FOR HAVING BEEN DEFEATED, THEY DECIDED TO INVADE THE FALKLANDS IN 1833!!! ENGLAND HAS MADE AND MAKES HUMANITY SUFFER. WE WILL NEVER BE YOUR FRIENDS...NEVER❗❗❗

@@juliof9457yo no los considero mis enemigos, ni a los británicos, ni a los chilenos.. hay cosas que hay que empezar a superar.. hoy en día este conflicto se resuelve, por vías diplomáticas

so your solution is abdication@@Ale63871

Thank you for watching! Plenty of things happened in this war, hard to remember everything.

Thanks a lot! There will be a video involving David Morgan in near future.

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Salut Jeanne. J'ai envoyé à showtime les photos du pilote leader en A4 ainsi que son zinc. Aussi le HMS Plymouth dans le viseur d'un Dagger ( noir et blanc). Photos de Dagger avant attaque. Et impact bombe sur le flanc du Tristam.. si le Atlantic conveyor n'avais pas coule, y aurait eu en plus 1 lynx, 6 Wessex et surtout 3 chinook....a partir de la tu devines la suite. Au sujet de explosion charge de profondeur sur Plymouth, mon bouquin dit que c'est un obus de 30mm qui a percuté et non une bombe

True. As always, for something like this to happen, many things need to aligns. One thing leads to another and eventually, a disaster. Thanks for another comment!

@@dominiqueroudier9401 Cet épisode a eu une deuxième répercussion, c'est que ces hélicos devaient servir à envoyer les troupes pour la prise de Port Stanley. Et donc cela a ralenti les opérations, car tout a dû se faire à pied avec les quelques blindés que les anglais possédaient à l'époque. Ce qui a pris du temps. Quelques A-4 ont mitraillé ce processus et cette marche forcée, mais les anglais finirent pas prendre la ville car ils avaient la supériorité aérienne.

​@@jeannezehner9450salut Jeanne. De retour de 🏖️. J'ai envoyé à showtime beaucoup de photos de A4 et de récits que j'ai traduit en anglais.. il en a besoin pour la vidéo de samedi prochain au sujet de la 2e vague attaque mais cette fois empêché par seaharrier. 3 Skyhawk abattu en 2 minutes. Yaurai pu en avoir un 4e si le HUD n'était pas en panne électrique éclairage plus de viseur pour un tir Aden 30mm. Bonnes vendanges.pas trop fatiguée ?? Les souches sont sûrement sur treille, donc pas baisser ?

Yes, but that's no excuse for sending those 2 unarmed ships without a frigate for escort and air defence.

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Thanks a lot! Yes, in this case everything just aligned for the Argentine side.

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Thanks for the comment! There was some advancement but proper defenses simply weren't deployed where they were supposed to be.

Maybe but I'd say not really. Even if the British had lost all the ships hit by non-exploding bombs, the outcome wouldn't have changed much because they were warships and they could afford to lose them. Had the transport ships been attacked (and sunk), that would have won the war for Argentina.

@@showtime112 Si Argentina hubiera tenido Generales competentes y una tropa profesional ( en vez de reclutas q a pesar de su coraje en muchos casos tenian casi nulo entrenamiento militar...) creo q otro podria haber sido el resultado...

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@@showtime112 Yw

@@showtime112 I've made another contribution today. Thanks for all you do!

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@@showtime112 yes that's fine as long as I don't have to log in because my log in don't work and Patreon does not respond to my inquiries.

The information did not come from a embedded reporter but someone who should have known better, i saw this happen.

That's a bit drastic 😁

The media really are the enemy, aren't they? It's not something that started in 2016.

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Detailed explanation of all the things that went wrong would take a 20 minute video but I just summed it up. It was a big gamble which went horribly wrong, it seems.

I don't know what the British were thinking, sending those 2 ships out there with no escorting frigates. Madness!

BS they lost 5 times as many in Korea and 6 times as many during the Malayan emergency.

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It would have been a different game for sure. But then again, Argentina probably wouldn't have invaded the islands in the first place (at least so it seems to me).

they had mirages and mirage daggers comparable to f 4 phantoms and subsonic buccaneers and they could have purchased second hand f4 from USAF/USN stock.

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Yes, this operation was way too relaxed.

That's true, the reason for many bombs not exploding is mostly believed to be too low altitude of release.

Thats because were bombs for air ground attack purposes, no for an insular war scenario at that time

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@@showtime112 ty so much!!!

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It might have to do with the landscape itself. These islands are not exactly stunningly beautiful 😁

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It was incredibly difficult to fuse them correctly due to the speed and altitude of the mirages

For this kind of an attack, I think only retarded bombs would have been really suitable.

@@Pucaramodels finally I get the answer Thank you

@@showtime112 yeah, I'm pretty sure that the only ones with retarded bombs (mk 82 snakeye) were the armada a4s

@@Pucaramodels Thanks for the info!

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y usurpador de territorios q no les pertenecen como los piratas ingleses verdad...???

Tu padre debe haber sido otro imperialista colonizador de territorios q no les pertenecen igual q los piratas ingleses no...???

@@javiermartinmehdi1914 De tal palo tal astilla.

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@@showtime112 aah im already in the discord, well if you ever need a mig19/mig21/mi8/a10 pilot im happy to be of help :D

@@mig.25 Thanks! I've put you on the list. I might find something for you. Which time zone are you in?

@@showtime112 AWST

@@mig.25 That's a bit different than mine but we can probably find some overlapping time when we are both awake 😁

Not all the time. When you look at the famous footage from San Carlos Water, that is definitely not ten feet but rather several hundreds of feet. If you attack a ship flying at ten feet, you will crash into it. Even if you just barely clear it and you expect your bombs to explode, the blast will also damage your own airplane. One of the reasons why the bombs worked on Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram is that the Skyhawks didn't have to go that low because there was no anti-aircraft defense. Finally, in a simulation it is very hard to judge the altitude so precisely compared to real life so it would be extremely difficult to emulate.

Yes. Hopefully, at least some lessons were learned.

Yes, like not stealing another nations land from half way around the world, losing hundreds of guys in the process and very nearly losing.@@showtime112

​@@carrisasteveinnes1596 Yes it is a shame Argentina tried to steal land which has nothing to do with them forcing a senseless war... if only they'd accepted that the, then uninhabited, islands were claimed by England over a century before Argentina even existed. How terrible of the "colonial pirates"... we'll just ignore the fact that Argentina itself wouldn't exist if not for Spanish colonialism... The Argentines wouldn't want to be seen as hypocrites, would they? The Falkland islands are not, never will be, and never have been Argentine territory.

@@FallenPhoenix86 Islas Malvinas* were argentine way before uk invaded them in 1833...

you didn't claimed nothing, uk recognized that islands as spanish and therefore argentinian...

Thanks for sharing your experience. You are right, it was an amazing accomplishment. Stretched to the limit.

they cant be replaced. During the war the FAA got Mirage drop tanks from Venezuela but for A-4 nobody in the neighborhood had ( Israelies arrived with the war over )

They were too scarce. Most footage from the war shows the Argentine aircraft attacking with the drop tanks still on.

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I was gonna do the second wave attack in this video but there was no time to do it so it will be covered in the near future. That's the part where David Morgan and his wingman intercept four Skyhawks.

Simple: The AIM-9L Sidewinder provided by the Americans. Then, add a max flying time of 3 minutes over the target due to fuel limitations and lack of early warning systems. More than the Harrier, the fear was about their own limitations and how the presence of Harriers could push those limitations in seconds. If they decided to fight that would mean to eject and die in the cold sea (no fuel range left). Many ARG pilots said during interviews that they knew that statistically 50% of a flight section would not come back due to Harriers and Naval defenses. But they kept going. Almost suicidal. That, is true courage.

as you can see in the video, A-4 and Daggers were not armed for air-air combat. The only missiles available ( Shafrir Mk2 and Matra R530 ) didn't stand a chance against AIM-9L

They were not really feared. That's self boasting propaganda from the British side. Argentine pilots just were extremely constrained by fuel range limitations and unreliability of AA missiles. So they couldn't fight as they were trained maxin up their superior jet performance like higher ceiling and speed to dictate air combat conditions. They had to turn back after a few minutes and couldn't exploit high altitude high speed attack dives and supersonic maneuvering.

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I haven't covered that topic yet but ii is in my plans. Not sure when but probably relatively soon.

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